Replacing Reagular Season Squads with Competion Squads for Tounaments!

[halfstep]

:Cheerlead
Just wanted to hear everyone's thoughts on this and wanted to know if it is fair or authorized. This is why.
:Cheerlead
Just for everyone's info. JCHS will be using their COMPETION SQUAD inplace of their regular season squads for the District and in the Regions if they make it there! The sponsor says they are doing this so they can up their chances of Victory!

To me this isn't fair to the girls that are on the regular squads and cheer the entire season and then they get shoved out of the picture and told that they can't cheer in these Tounaments. To me this is like using your basketball team all season long and then bringing in a much better team who hasn't played a game all season to replace them. Which would be against the rulles in KHSAA!

This is NOT a rumor either! I know this for a fact!

I don't uderstand. Why rob these other girls of memories that will last them for a life time!

:Cheerlead

[catsfan072]

Then when do they even have a regular season squad? It's pointless to practice with girls that are not going to be competeing with the rest of the squad in competitions.

[The Informer]

They have actually 3 squads. A Black Squad, A Gold Squad and Competion Squad. The Black and Gold Squads alternate between Boys and Girls Games. The Competion Squad is supposed to be for Competions and NOT games. She is sidwling her other two squads when the districts start. Doesn't sound fair does it?:wtf1:

[Fuzzy5118]

How did this whole three squad deal come about?
The black squad and the gold squad should cheer their ballgames. District & Region included(if they get to the region). They started this year and should darned well get to finish it.
Game situation and Competition situation are two totally different things. One has NOTHING to do with the other. One is involved with an entire game, where the crowd is very involved, the cheer surface is the actual hardwood, and you're being judged to boot. You can choose not to be judged and let 'er rip (hoopin it up and having fun) or you can let 'er rip and be judged (but know your chances of success may be diminished) or you can be judged and follow the guidelines to see where you stand compared to your peers. Competition will find you in a division (see thread KAPOS 2006) decided by your size. Since you're speaking of JCHS, they've opted to cheer small varsity 2-1/2 minute routine. They will perform a 2-1/2 minute routine that will contain cheers, stunts, gymnastics, and dance. This requires good music, good choreography, lots of practice beginning in the Summer, and dedication to a goal. Many things factor into a 2-1/2 minute routine and to understand what all that might be, would take some folks a long time to understand, so I won't go there, but direct you to www.kapos.org (http://www.kapos.org/) for further explanation. These routines are performed on a special cheer mat. (and not on hardwood like they do in West Virginia) I guess what I am trying to say is this, if you have a school large enough to support two 20 member squads and they are of equal talent(as prescribed by Title IX & the KHSAA) you should darned well compete them both. Giving 40 young ladies a chance to shine and giving your school a doubled opportunity to be victorious. This is something to be proud of instead of winnowing your talent pool down to nothing & killing your program in one fell swoop. Take a hint from schools who send (2) squads to competitions and are successful. Everyone loves a winner, Success breeds success.

[halfstep]

How did this whole three squad deal come about?
The black squad and the gold squad should cheer their ballgames. District & Region included(if they get to the region). They started this year and should darned well get to finish it.
Game situation and Competition situation are two totally different things. One has NOTHING to do with the other. One is involved with an entire game, where the crowd is very involved, the cheer surface is the actual hardwood, and you're being judged to boot. You can choose not to be judged and let 'er rip (hoopin it up and having fun) or you can let 'er rip and be judged (but know your chances of success may be diminished) or you can be judged and follow the guidelines to see where you stand compared to your peers. Competition will find you in a division (see thread KAPOS 2006) decided by your size. Since you're speaking of JCHS, they've opted to cheer small varsity 2-1/2 minute routine. They will perform a 2-1/2 minute routine that will contain cheers, stunts, gymnastics, and dance. This requires good music, good choreography, lots of practice beginning in the Summer, and dedication to a goal. Many things factor into a 2-1/2 minute routine and to understand what all that might be, would take some folks a long time to understand, so I won't go there, but direct you to www.kapos.org (http://www.kapos.org/) for further explanation. These routines are performed on a special cheer mat. (and not on hardwood like they do in West Virginia) I guess what I am trying to say is this, if you have a school large enough to support two 20 member squads and they are of equal talent(as prescribed by Title IX & the KHSAA) you should darned well compete them both. Giving 40 young ladies a chance to shine and giving your school a doubled opportunity to be victorious. This is something to be proud of instead of winnowing your talent pool down to nothing & killing your program in one fell swoop. Take a hint from schools who send (2) squads to competitions and are successful. Everyone loves a winner, Success breeds success.

Great Post! Maybe some one needs to tell Ms. Sturgill that! But JC cares nothing about Title IX. Ms. Sturgill is over the Black and Competion Squads and all she does is practice the Comp. Squad and won't even practice the Black until the day of a game. She isn't even fair in her squad rotations for games. The Gold squad has got to cheer the Apple Bowl, the 1st P-ville & JC game and now also the 2nd P-ville & JC game. These are the biggest games of the year and some of the girls don't even get to cheer them once and if they meet in the Districts or Regionals (if they make it), they won't even get to cheer those either, that will be her coveted Comp. Squad. It's just not fair for the girls who have cheer all season long. It's like, Now that you have done all the dirty work, we don't need you any more and you aren't good enough so get out of our way so we can cheer in the spotlight.
:Angry07: :bow: :redboxer:
God that makes my blood boil!:wtf1:

[Fuzzy5118]

Easy now, consider the hour and your blood pressure. From your post you sound very very frustrated. You can't really say JC doesn't adhere to Title IX when only yesterday their girls basketball team ruled the roost, while most sporting squads they field have equal attire, media coverage, support, square footage, and all of the other title ix essentials as expressed by the law. What JC has is a careless attitude about its cheer leaders. They seem to be going about all of this wrong. I bet really and truly Ms. Sturgill didn't want it done this way. This set up sounds like (pardon me) something a man would come up with... thinking it was the very best solution to the situation.
Considering that the Apple Bowl is a major cheer event for everyone, why couldn't every squad be out there supporting the team, leading the cheers, and making lifetime memories? Instead of leading by exclusion why not lead by inclusion and see where that takes ya!

[halfstep]

Easy now, consider the hour and your blood pressure. From your post you sound very very frustrated. You can't really say JC doesn't adhere to Title IX when only yesterday their girls basketball team ruled the roost, while most sporting squads they field have equal attire, media coverage, support, square footage, and all of the other title ix essentials as expressed by the law. What JC has is a careless attitude about its cheer leaders. They seem to be going about all of this wrong. I bet really and truly Ms. Sturgill didn't want it done this way. This set up sounds like (pardon me) something a man would come up with... thinking it was the very best solution to the situation.
Considering that the Apple Bowl is a major cheer event for everyone, why couldn't every squad be out there supporting the team, leading the cheers, and making lifetime memories? Instead of leading by exclusion why not lead by inclusion and see where that takes ya!

SPEAKING of the Apple Bowl! You just jarred my memory. The Gold squad cheered PLUS,the seniors from the other squad.
As for Title IX, Sorry just another seeing red vent. Spoke before thinking:HitWall: .

[Fuzzy5118]

I knew you were just on a BTVS(big time venting spree). I wish there was a hug to give or a back being patted!

[halfstep]

My back needs patted and Patched, cause it's full of HOLES! LOL!
Thanks!

[wildcat20]

I think whoever cheers for the boys throughout the year should be given enough respect to compete in dictrict or regional. They should save their competetion squad for BIG competetions not the ones that the actual cheerleaders should be given the opportuntunity to cheer at!!!

[catsfan072]

Well let me tell you, at Prestonsburg we have 12 cheerleaders. Those cheerleaders cheer for girls and boys, and do competitions. They are also competing in the district tournament for both squads, unless the girls and boys are to play the same night and then they are only getting judged for one or the other. These cheerleaders are also going to be the ones going to KAPOS. They have worked together all year long and worked very hard and their coach isn't going to sit anyone out, for any reason!

[Fuzzy5118]

This brings me to another good point worthy of discussion.... look for the new thread on "The more the merrier". I could begin it here, but I hate it when a thread gets threadjacked.

[KentuckyHillBilly5321]

I think it is weak.

If they are good enough to cheer during the games--they should be good enough to cheer during the competitions.

This is one of the reasons why people will always have a low opinion of cheerleading--there is way too much drama (which is a ashamed--but these girls/kids are definitely athletes).

[Fuzzy5118]

Look, as long as school administrators do not get a tight grip on their coaches/ programs and enforce the rules as approved by their councils, cheer is always gonna have drama. FOLLOW THE RULE BOOK OR TOSS IT IN THE GARBAGE FOR ALL THE GOOD IT'S WORTH. However, in many schools there's as much drama going on in the mainstream sports as in cheer. Weak Administrators will get you drama enough to walk away with all the Academy Awards cast in any and every sport!

[KentuckyHillBilly5321]

Look, as long as school administrators do not get a tight grip on their coaches/ programs and enforce the rules as approved by their councils, cheer is always gonna have drama. FOLLOW THE RULE BOOK OR TOSS IT IN THE GARBAGE FOR ALL THE GOOD IT'S WORTH. However, in many schools there's as much drama going on in the mainstream sports as in cheer. Weak Administrators will get you drama enough to walk away with all the Academy Awards cast in any and every sport!

Therein lies your problem. Most administrators don't want to touch cheerleading with a 10 foot pole. If anything--it HURTS a school because they do not get credit for these girls in their Title 9 numbers.

I don't believe that there is more drama in other sports. And I think that you would have a hard time proving it. And for that reason--that is why there is still not widespread acceptance.

I find it interesting that you point the finger in the direction of adminstration in regard to this issue. Sure, administrators are ultimately responsible for the sponsors, but, if the sponsors would be consistent in how they determine their squads--and be responsible for theirselves--it would never be a question of how the administration is managing the program.

As a coach--I DO MY JOB SO MY PRINCIPAL DOESN'T EVER HAVE TO GET INVOLVED. I am accountable for my program. I am the one who controls the drama--not the administration.

Don't you think that the administration should be a little more concerned with running the school as opposed to making sure that the cheerleading program is run in the proper manner?

[Fuzzy5118]

Couldn't agree more... that is why I began the thread on real coaches and mommy coaches. If the administration cared enough about hiring adequate coaches or getting the ones they have to follow the rules they're given, then most folks can live with things. i.e. most cheerleaders make great athletes in other programs because they love knowing where the boundaries are and being treated equally and fairly as stated by a given set of rules instead of a whim or a group vote on something. I applaude all schools who think enough of their cheer leaders (the first folks the public has to put a face with a school name) to hire the BEST coaches and I applaude all administrators who make it abundantly clear as to what is expected, what will be allowed, and what will get them replaced. Once the ground rules are set, everyone can live in perfect harmony.:Cheerlead

[KentuckyHillBilly5321]

Cool--I am going to reply in the Real/Mommy thread . . . .

[cheergirl]

1. Johnson Central gave their cheerleaders a choice. The competition squad came about for those girls that want to cheer games, but didn't want to do competitions. They were also given a choice between Black and Gold or either. There is one coach for black, one for gold and they both coach the competition squad since the team is comprised of girls from both teams. Games were divided equally between the 2 squad. Both cheered football, boys basketball and girls basketball. Both cheered a bowl game,,,,,,one the apple bowl and one the touchstone energy bowl. The set up this year has been entirely fair to both teams.

2. Would a basketball coach in district play, substitute his best players in a tight game for 5 weaker players,,to ensure that all players got to play? Those players have worked hard all year, after all........GIVE ME A BREAK! HE or She would not jeopardize a win in district or region play so that all can play. That is how it is in sports. Is cheerleading a sport or not? Why not let the best compete in district competition when a trophy is involved???? That is what I consider "competition"

3. The competition squad might be judged during district, but that does not mean that the rest of cheerleaders can't cheer for their team in the stands.
Why are they cheering after all? Maybe we need to ask ourselves that.

[SnakE]

I'd like to remind everyone, who is contemplating an answer to this, to go to abnother thread and think about something else, breathe, and consider that cheer always gets a bad name because folks get so emotional.... I am going to take my own advice and go somewhere else for a while before giving an answer to this one! Everyone have a nice evening!

[jchscheerleader]

You say 'we' as if it is a squad decision, however, it isn't. This has nothing to do with the cheerleaders on either squads.

[halfstep]

1. Johnson Central gave their cheerleaders a choice. The competition squad came about for those girls that want to cheer games, but didn't want to do competitions. They were also given a choice between Black and Gold or either. There is one coach for black, one for gold and they both coach the competition squad since the team is comprised of girls from both teams. Games were divided equally between the 2 squad. Both cheered football, boys basketball and girls basketball. Both cheered a bowl game,,,,,,one the apple bowl and one the touchstone energy bowl. The set up this year has been entirely fair to both teams.

2. Would a basketball coach in district play, substitute his best players in a tight game for 5 weaker players,,to ensure that all players got to play? Those players have worked hard all year, after all........GIVE ME A BREAK! HE or She would not jeopardize a win in district or region play so that all can play. That is how it is in sports. Is cheerleading a sport or not? Why not let the best compete in district competition when a trophy is involved???? That is what I consider "competition"

3. The competition squad might be judged during district, but that does not mean that the rest of cheerleaders can't cheer for their team in the stands.
Why are they cheering after all? Maybe we need to ask ourselves that.


I think your quote was supposed to read "The competion squad came around for those NOT wanting to cheer games but cheer in competions." So why are they cheering at the District Games?

SO your point is way off. Competions Squad was formed for competions such as qualifying and going to nationals. Not, cheer ballgames. Also as for the coach taking out his best players and replacing them for a district game, Your right! He would play the players that have been playing all season! Also as for using your "BEST" cheerleaders, you had 17 quit the competion squad and a few were replaced. NOT to offend anyone, but, how can you say that they are the "best", when that many original girls quit. Also how can you say that there is NOT a problem when that many quit.

Also BOTH don't get to cheer a Paintsville & JCHS Boys Varsity Game! I am sorry but there is a problem when that many champions come over from JCMS and they can't put together a squad that will stay together and dominate like they did over there! And the problem is at the top.:coach:

:Cheerlead

[halfstep]

You say 'we' as if it is a squad decision, however, it isn't. This has nothing to do with the cheerleaders on either squads.

You are exactly right. It is NOT the girls choice, it is the Sponsors choice.
Can you tell me this also? What does cheering at a basketball game have to do with a 2 1/2 min. routine? NOTHING! So how is that going to prep them for any competions? Also, if both coaches coach the Black and Gold squad, why is it that the Gold Squad coach can find time all week long to have practice for her Gold squad, yet the Black squad only practices once maybe twice a week just before ball games?

CHEERGIRL "since the team is comprised of both squads"

There is only one girl from Gold that is on the Competion Squad if I am not mistaken.:wtf1:

[cheergirl]

My comment was correct. I think that in the beginning the competition squad was created to give choices to the girls. Yes,,,many talented girls have quit. BUT,,,,,that was their choice.

At tryouts-----16 Black squad and 9 Gold squad members made up the competition team,,,,,,,,,,although not equal,,,,,close.

[Eagle Eye]

You are exactly right. It is NOT the girls choice, it is the Sponsors choice.
Can you tell me this also? What does cheering at a basketball game have to do with a 2 1/2 min. routine? NOTHING! So how is that going to prep them for any competions? Also, if both coaches coach the Black and Gold squad, why is it that the Gold Squad coach can find time all week long to have practice for her Gold squad, yet the Black squad only practices once maybe twice a week just before ball games?

CHEERGIRL "since the team is comprised of both squads"

There is only one girl from Gold that is on the Competion Squad if I am not mistaken.:wtf1:

Again Halfstep, I have to ask the question why do you care so much about the JCHS squads. It appears by your posts on this site that you are a Pville fan so why does it bother you so much about what is going on at another school. You seem so involved in our squads when the Pville squad needs ALOT more help. I never hear you speak of your own squad. Thanks for caring so much but......why?:shh:

By the way, I haven't spoken with all of the cheerleaders, but the ones I have spoken to doesn't seem to mind if they cheer in their uniforms or in the pep section during district tournament. Maybe some do but some definately do not. They have told me that the district games aren't about them as much as it is just cheering for their team and hoping for them to win regardless if they are on the floor or in the stands.

[wildman_06]

Three squads is not a good idea at all. Have a black squad for boys and a gold squad for girls and rotate the football games. Then let the sponsors pick the competition that they want to send there squad to. Make both compete against each other in KAPOS and everything!!!

[Eagle Eye]

Three squads is not a good idea at all. Have a black squad for boys and a gold squad for girls and rotate the football games. Then let the sponsors pick the competition that they want to send there squad to. Make both compete against each other in KAPOS and everything!!!

I agree 100%.:Thumbs:

[SnakE]

Again Halfstep, I have to ask the question why do you care so much about the JCHS squads. It appears by your posts on this site that you are a Pville fan so why does it bother you so much about what is going on at another school. You seem so involved in our squads when the Pville squad needs ALOT more help. I never hear you speak of your own squad. Thanks for caring so much but......why?:shh:

By the way, I haven't spoken with all of the cheerleaders, but the ones I have spoken to doesn't seem to mind if they cheer in their uniforms or in the pep section during district tournament. Maybe some do but some definately do not. They have told me that the district games aren't about them as much as it is just cheering for their team and hoping for them to win regardless if they are on the floor or in the stands.

And that folks, is why threads are closed. This person, Halfstep, posts in all forums and it's their right to do so. Do not try to denigrate this person or make them appear as though their point is not a valid one, by throwing other things into the discussion. The point is, the BEST INTERESTS OF THE GIRLS, WHO CHOOSE TO CHEER, ARE NOT BEING MET. THE POINT IS, THE SCHOOL'S ADMINISTRATORS OBVIOUSLY DO NOT CARE ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO MAKE IT RIGHT, BUT THEY'D FALL ALL OVER EACH OTHER TO START A NEW BASEBALL LEAGUE FOR THE GOOD OF THE BOYS, OR MAKE CERTAIN THE FOOTBALL TEAM GETS AN INDOOR PRACTICE FACILITY. I'm not gonna curse on here or use any of the signs, but what's being done in the situation you're talking about stinks to high heaven and it's all our tax dollars involved!

[OJ Simpson]

that is absolutley stupid

[cheergirl]

And that folks, is why threads are closed. This person, Halfstep, posts in all forums and it's their right to do so. Do not try to denigrate this person or make them appear as though their point is not a valid one, by throwing other things into the discussion. The point is, the BEST INTERESTS OF THE GIRLS, WHO CHOOSE TO CHEER, ARE NOT BEING MET. THE POINT IS, THE SCHOOL'S ADMINISTRATORS OBVIOUSLY DO NOT CARE ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO MAKE IT RIGHT, BUT THEY'D FALL ALL OVER EACH OTHER TO START A NEW BASEBALL LEAGUE FOR THE GOOD OF THE BOYS, OR MAKE CERTAIN THE FOOTBALL TEAM GETS AN INDOOR PRACTICE FACILITY. I'm not gonna curse on here or use any of the signs, but what's being done in the situation you're talking about stinks to high heaven and it's all our tax dollars involved!

Who says the best interests of the girls who cheer are not being met? One side of this situation has been represented in this thread. Most of what has been written is faulty information. The administrators at JCHS do care and have tried to give their students choices.

[cheergirl]

Three squads is not a good idea at all. Have a black squad for boys and a gold squad for girls and rotate the football games. Then let the sponsors pick the competition that they want to send there squad to. Make both compete against each other in KAPOS and everything!!!

Title 9 and KHSAA will not allow this.

[Eagle Eye]

Tax dollars??? I always thought cheerleader parents had to pay for all of their uniforms, shoes, etc.

[SeniorCheer]

I think your quote was supposed to read "The competion squad came around for those NOT wanting to cheer games but cheer in competions." So why are they cheering at the District Games?

SO your point is way off. Competions Squad was formed for competions such as qualifying and going to nationals. Not, cheer ballgames. Also as for the coach taking out his best players and replacing them for a district game, Your right! He would play the players that have been playing all season! Also as for using your "BEST" cheerleaders, you had 17 quit the competion squad and a few were replaced. NOT to offend anyone, but, how can you say that they are the "best", when that many original girls quit. Also how can you say that there is NOT a problem when that many quit.

Also BOTH don't get to cheer a Paintsville & JCHS Boys Varsity Game! I am sorry but there is a problem when that many champions come over from JCMS and they can't put together a squad that will stay together and dominate like they did over there! And the problem is at the top.:coach:

:Cheerlead


:omg: You need to get over yourself and grow up. Some of the cheerleaders "freshman" parents are just upset because their "CHAMPION" daughters couldn't take the heat of Ms.Sturgills coaching and they quit! You cannot want Ms.Sturgill to put a bunch of quitters out on the floor to be judged for districts...who knows they may decided to quit halfway though the game..

[Fuzzy5118]

You're right Title IX will not go for that one suggestion. I don't know diddly about tax dollars unless they're talking about, well, I don't know! Maybe they were on a rant and forgot to post it as a rant~LOL~ maybe it is the fact that the county does seem to run right to the squeakiest wheel whenever it squeaks or looks like a spoke or two is gonna fly off somewhere else~ I don't know, but like was suggested earlier, forget the competition squad. Pick (2) squads of equal talent and cheer both~(do not take girls who can not benefit the squad~ there's many other groups within the school where people can represent and contribute) alternating games in a fair and equal measure and allowing both to cheer competition. It seems to work for everyone else, why not Johnson County? It makes no difference to me what school it is, it works everywhere else and it gives twice as many girls a chance to shine + it gives the school twice the opportunity to be successful!

[halfstep]

:omg: You need to get over yourself and grow up. Some of the cheerleaders "freshman" parents are just upset because their "CHAMPION" daughters couldn't take the heat of Ms.Sturgills coaching and they quit! You cannot want Ms.Sturgill to put a bunch of quitters out on the floor to be judged for districts...who knows they may decided to quit halfway though the game..

What I wanted to accomplish has happened. Alot of other schools are starting to see what the girls at JCHS are facing.
What heat are you speaking of? What you meant was favortism. Yes, they did quit. BUT 17 QUIT! It is just like a marriage, why would you hang around when you are not appreciated and not treated fairly. Just because someone is a senior doesn't give them right to tell someone else what to do.
And why should I get over myself? I have said absolutely NOTHING about ME!
I have nothing against you or any girls on the squad, You girls should be one of the most dominating forces in the mountains. But, it is not happening and hasn't happened for years. Something needs to change. As for me not having anything against any of you girls, you should have nothing against any of the girls.

[halfstep]

Who says the best interests of the girls who cheer are not being met? One side of this situation has been represented in this thread. Most of what has been written is faulty information. The administrators at JCHS do care and have tried to give their students choices.

SNAKE first, THANK YOU! Eagl eye seems to need to do a little home work. I post on evry thing on here. Not, Just paintsville. If they will pull up my post they will see, SC,SF,JCHS,PHS,P-Burg,PRO,HUNTING,CHEER.
Also, FAULTY? OK if living in denial is how you choose. But, Good Luck at Florida. That is sincere. For you girls! It is not your fault what happens with the squad.:Cheerlead

[SnakE]

You're welcome!

[eagleclaw]

I've just finished reading this thread and felt I had an obligation to clear a few things up. First of all why did the competition squad come about? As stated before some of the girls want to just cheer games and not have to worry about putting in all the time required for competition, Many schools only have one squad that cheers boy's,girls,and competitions but, it is the philosophy of the JCHS administration that as many girls as possible should be allowed to participate.If there were only one squad many girls who wanted to cheer would not be able to.If there were two squads competing ,as in the past ,the girls would have no choice as is whether or not to compete.Also, the talent would be divided between two squads and the best "product"would not be on the floor.Title IX does not allow boys cheerleaders to be better than the girls or visa versa, so that is why the games are divided between the squads and there is no longer a boys or girls squad. At tryouts the girls could choose which squad they wanted to cheer for and if they wanted to be on the competition squad. 25 girls made the squad,but only 13 remain. I don't know why they quit, but they did quit. Also it was made clear at the beginning in the rules signed by both cheerleaders and parents that it was up to the coach to decide who cheers what game. If a girl has a higher tryout score and sticks out the 12+ hour per week practices shouldn't they be the ones allowed to cheer the districts and regionals.The competition squad cheered football playoffs and nothing was said. But of course this was before certain girls quit the competition squad. The cheer boosters spent a significant amount of money to have a routine choreographed for 25 girls and since these girls quit the routine had to be completely reworked. I don't think that was fair, but it just had to be dealt with. For any action you take you have to consider the consequences if the reason for quitting was justified or not ,sitting out the post season is one of them. I think that as parents we should be applauding rather than bashing the commitment that our school has for cheering .Ditto,for Ms Sturgill and Ms Green. They do an awesome job and deserve our support.

[eagleclaw]

I also wanted to clarify that the girls on the competion squad have cheered all basketball season on either the black or gold squad. The wording from some previous posts could possibly mislead one to believe that the girls on the competition squad have not cheered at the b-ball games all year and are coming in to replace the girls that have. I don't think that it s was worded to intentionally deceive,but I read it that way and just wanted to clear it up in case others had also.

[Eagle Eye]

Great post Eagleclaw!

[PvilleCheerAlum]

Well let me tell you, at Prestonsburg we have 12 cheerleaders. Those cheerleaders cheer for girls and boys, and do competitions. They are also competing in the district tournament for both squads, unless the girls and boys are to play the same night and then they are only getting judged for one or the other. These cheerleaders are also going to be the ones going to KAPOS. They have worked together all year long and worked very hard and their coach isn't going to sit anyone out, for any reason!

i applaude that. Cheering for everything and then competing for themselves is very hard to do. pikeville does the same thing. we have one varsity squad and they cheer boys basketball, football and compete. johnson central is lucky that they have enough girls interested in cheerleading to be able to have 3 squads.

but according to KAPOS rules the squad that competes at KAPOS State at large has to have cheered a certain number of KHSAA games in order to compete. just wanted to throw that out there.

[cheergirl]

i applaude that. Cheering for everything and then competing for themselves is very hard to do. pikeville does the same thing. we have one varsity squad and they cheer boys basketball, football and compete. johnson central is lucky that they have enough girls interested in cheerleading to be able to have 3 squads.

but according to KAPOS rules the squad that competes at KAPOS State at large has to have cheered a certain number of KHSAA games in order to compete. just wanted to throw that out there.

FYI-All girls on the competition squad have cheered KHSAA games all season. The competition squad is not a team made up of girls that just compete. They have been on the black or gold squads all year long.

EagleClaw--Great post. Thanks! :-)

Halfstep--One faulty piece of info I was referring to is the fact that the gold squad cheered the Paintsville Boys away game. The black squad will be cheering the Paintsville Boys game at home while the gold squad will be cheering the girls game. This takes place on February 17th. Hope to see you there.

[cheergirl]

It seems to work for everyone else, why not Johnson County?

Fuzzy, Variety is the spice of life. JCHS tried something different this year. Nothing wrong with that. Just because something works for someone else doesn't mean it is right for all.

The threads that have been written here are representative of a very small few. After tryouts, there were 16 girls from the black squad and 9 girls from the gold squad on the competition team. 8 girls from the gold squad quit this team,,,,,,3 completely quit cheering and 5 continued to cheer for the Gold team. They did this because they had a choice and decided that they didn't want to commit to the amount of time required to practice for competition, not because Ms Sturgill had done anything to them to cause them to quit. They are perfectly happy with their decision. They were able to cheer for their teams and not have to compete. Contrary to information on this web-site, the gold squad has not practiced every day. Usually, they practice before the games that they cheer.

Everyone is entitled to an opinion. I repect that right that you have. I hope that before those opinions are formed though, that all sides of the situation have been considered.
:-)

[halfstep]

johnson central is lucky that they have enough girls interested in cheerleading to be able to have 3 squads.

but according to KAPOS rules the squad that competes at KAPOS State at large has to have cheered a certain number of KHSAA games in order to compete. just wanted to throw that out there.[/QUOTE]

Nice post by the way Eagle claw. I would like to make a comment about what is highlighted. With this beeing so, why not add the competion squad to the game cheering rotation through out the year? Since they all cheer on both squads anyway. Then come Districts and Regionals just continue to allow your Black and Gold squads to cheer. By doing this you leave out no one. And all the girls get the great honor of cheer during these games and none get left out and feel that that aren't good enough to do this. Not saying that all do feel this way, but it just seems like the fair thing to do.
NOW, I have noticed that this has attracted alot of new members (Your welcome BGR. LOL.) getting into the conversation. A lot seem to be possible cheerleaders at JCHS. In NO way have I meant to hurt any of you girl's feelings. This was just meant to get attention to the matter and see what everyone else thought. If I hurt any JCHS cheerleaders feelings, I AM SORRY. I know that you girls work very hard every day and I wish nothing but the best for you all. I just know what all of you girls are capable of and I would love to see it happen, but fairly and the right way. I taking back anything I said though. Because at NO time have I ever mentioned a kids name and I will not mention a kids name. This was all directed at the ones who need to wake up and look into some of these matters and apparently I am not the only one who sees this.:loveya:

[PvilleCheerAlum]

[QUOTE="cheergirl"]FYI-All girls on the competition squad have cheered KHSAA games all season. The competition squad is not a team made up of girls that just compete. They have been on the black or gold squads all year long.[ QUOTE]

didnt mean to push any buttons. from what i read, it was my understanding that there were 2 game squads and a strictly competition only squad. my mistake

[halfstep]

[QUOTE="cheergirl"]FYI-All girls on the competition squad have cheered KHSAA games all season. The competition squad is not a team made up of girls that just compete. They have been on the black or gold squads all year long.[ QUOTE]

didnt mean to push any buttons. from what i read, it was my understanding that there were 2 game squads and a strictly competition only squad. my mistake

Their eally is only two squads which cheer all year long and that is the Black and the Gold Squads. The competion squad is made up from All the girls on Black and like one girl on Gold. They were put together for competions NOT games. They get their KAPOS cheering in while cheering for the other squads. Do they not?

This is what I am saying. These two squads cheer all year long. So why Not come Districts and maybe Regionals allow them to continue the rotation instead of sitting out almost all of the Gold Squad and like only three of the Black squad girls and allowing the Competion Squad to take their places? Makes no sense. And only certain ones get to cheer tounaments.

[cheergirl]

[QUOTE="PvilleCheerAlum"]

Their eally is only two squads which cheer all year long and that is the Black and the Gold Squads. The competion squad is made up from All the girls on Black and like one girl on Gold. They were put together for competions NOT games. They get their KAPOS cheering in while cheering for the other squads. Do they not?

This is what I am saying. These two squads cheer all year long. So why Not come Districts and maybe Regionals allow them to continue the rotation instead of sitting out almost all of the Gold Squad and like only three of the Black squad girls and allowing the Competion Squad to take their places? Makes no sense. And only certain ones get to cheer tounaments.

The girls knew before tryouts how the game situation would be. They were given rules and regulations that had to be signed by the participant and their parent before trying out. This set up was not a surprise to anyone and it seems to me the only ones complaining about it are the ones that CHOSE TO QUIT. Had they not quit, they would also be cheering the tournament games. The bottom line is,,,,,,,with over 40 girls cheering,,,,there is just not room enough on the sidelines for all to cheer. During state tournament, there are actually only 16 girls allowed to be on the floor,,,,,,so sitting out participants is not a new thing and certainly didn't begin at JCHS.

[halfstep]

[QUOTE="halfstep"]

The girls knew before tryouts how the game situation would be. They were given rules and regulations that had to be signed by the participant and their parent before trying out. This set up was not a surprise to anyone and it seems to me the only ones complaining about it are the ones that CHOSE TO QUIT. Had they not quit, they would also be cheering the tournament games. The bottom line is,,,,,,,with over 40 girls cheering,,,,there is just not room enough on the sidelines for all to cheer. During state tournament, there are actually only 16 girls allowed to be on the floor,,,,,,so sitting out participants is not a new thing and certainly didn't begin at JCHS.

If they signed this as you say they did, then so be it. I know that this title 9 deal has really messed with the way things used to be. When you had a girls varsity, boys varsity, JV and freshman squad.
I have never meant to hurt anyones feelings or cause turmoil amongst the squad. I have never mentioned any girls names what so ever. But, it just seems that maybe a few things need to change. I know alot of the girls who quit and it is not because they are quitters. They felt that they were being treated unfairly. And everyone keeps refering to the freshmen. The freshmen girls aren't the only ones to quit. Am I not right? You had quite of few sophamores, juniors and a senior or two quit also didn't you? I am not for sure on the senior, but I m sure on the other ones. Like I said earlier. I hope nothing but the best for the girls, because iknow that they work their rears off every day prepping for these things. I just can't understand also why so much good talent just all of a sudden desides to quit. I guess I never will.

[Eagle Eye]

SNAKE first, THANK YOU! Eagl eye seems to need to do a little home work. I post on evry thing on here. Not, Just paintsville. If they will pull up my post they will see, SC,SF,JCHS,PHS,P-Burg,PRO,HUNTING,CHEER.
Also, FAULTY? OK if living in denial is how you choose. But, Good Luck at Florida. That is sincere. For you girls! It is not your fault what happens with the squad.:Cheerlead

By the way I did do my homework and you do post on other sites but you have not bashed a school, administration, and coaches like you did on here. I know you might have interest in both schools but I can't stand a parent that bashes a school because their kid is not getting what they want. Have you ever tried to work things out with the coach or administration before bashing out? Maybe you have...I don't know, but getting on a site like this and speaking out like you have leaves you to all kinds of criticism from others who support their school and administration 100%. Our school is not perfect, but it is the best in this county HANDS DOWN. Our new superintendent, which I admire greatly, is the best thing that happenend to this school system in a loooonnnnggg time. So, having an opinion is great, but don't expect the rest of us not to put our 2 cents in.

[halfstep]

By the way I did do my homework and you do post on other sites but you have not bashed a school, administration, and coaches like you did on here. I know you might have interest in both schools but I can't stand a parent that bashes a school because their kid is not getting what they want. Have you ever tried to work things out with the coach or administration before bashing out? Maybe you have...I don't know, but getting on a site like this and speaking out like you have leaves you to all kinds of criticism from others who support their school and administration 100%. Our school is not perfect, but it is the best in this county HANDS DOWN. Our new superintendent, which I admire greatly, is the best thing that happenend to this school system in a loooonnnnggg time. So, having an opinion is great, but don't expect the rest of us not to put our 2 cents in.

I only gave my opinion on a certain program in the school. And both have been appraoched and nothing was ever replied to. "I will check into it and get back with you" was what was told. I have never said that any school is perfect. And when I posted, I said let me hear it. What did everones else think. I never asked for personal attacks and people to start calling out family memebers like some people did. I must say it has been fun debating with you though. You keep your cool and do actually post with logic and reason. But, what's said is said and it can't be changed. And as they say "opinions are like @#$holes, everyone has one". So with every thing said and done, See you at the next game.

[The Guru]

By the way I did do my homework and you do post on other sites but you have not bashed a school, administration, and coaches like you did on here. I know you might have interest in both schools but I can't stand a parent that bashes a school because their kid is not getting what they want. Have you ever tried to work things out with the coach or administration before bashing out? Maybe you have...I don't know, but getting on a site like this and speaking out like you have leaves you to all kinds of criticism from others who support their school and administration 100%. Our school is not perfect, but it is the best in this county HANDS DOWN. Our new superintendent, which I admire greatly, is the best thing that happenend to this school system in a loooonnnnggg time. So, having an opinion is great, but don't expect the rest of us not to put our 2 cents in.
This may be your opinion and that is fine. But just so you know, Not everyone feels the same! You would have trouble trying to prove it! Actually, You can't!
I respect your school and love nearly all that work and attend there, but I wouldn't put either JC or PHS as the best school system in the county!!
Neither are FAR from perfect!

[The Guru]

Some on here have really jumped halfstep for having opinons. You act as if you know him, heck, maybe you do, I don't, but anyway, IMO, when people get really ticked by others opinions, it is usually cause they hit a little to close to the truth.
Halfstep has made plenty of valid posts on here, and a few that I thought he must be drinking!! lol But he/she is entitled to their own opinion, and only the ones that feel personally attacked should get on here and halfstep bash!
Now....go on with your posts, cause I am lovin this SH...stuff!

[jchsrulz]

Quote from halfstep: I know that this title 9 deal has really messed with the way things used to be. When you had a girls varsity, boys varsity, JV and freshman squad.

I think that it would be a great idea to go back to the good old days. Title IX won't let us though. But I think the freshmen squad is a good idea! Let's make varsity squads grades 10-12, and let freshmen cheer the JV games. It seems that the biggest problem is the freshmen girls coming in to their high school careers struggle with being the big girls on campus, to learning a whole new system. I'm not saying they are not physically or mentally ready, but life teaches us that experience is the fuel for success!

[halfstep]

Some on here have really jumped halfstep for having opinons. You act as if you know him, heck, maybe you do, I don't, but anyway, IMO, when people get really ticked by others opinions, it is usually cause they hit a little to close to the truth.
Halfstep has made plenty of valid posts on here, and a few that I thought he must be drinking!! lol But he/she is entitled to their own opinion, and only the ones that feel personally attacked should get on here and halfstep bash!
Now....go on with your posts, cause I am lovin this SH...stuff!

Thanks Guru! You are right, I know a few times I get up the next morning and have to go to the screen wnadering what the heck I wrote. There has been a few times were I was like "OH MY GOD" "I Said That" LOL. Yes drinking and diving is very dangerous. And as I have found out, So is drinking and typing! LOL!:beer:

I must say though, Thanks to me Fuzzy and a couple other posters on here. Cheerleaders have been noticed alot more on here. HECK BGR even gave them their own FORUM now!!:Cheerlead

It's about time they get noticed. Some of us do see the work that these girls and guys do out there and they do deserve some props. BUT, remember where there is praise also comes some Booos!
So keep up the hard work guys and keep doing what you love!
I know I will!! LOL!!:beerwez:

[EKYMAMA]

Well let me tell you, at Prestonsburg we have 12 cheerleaders. Those cheerleaders cheer for girls and boys, and do competitions. They are also competing in the district tournament for both squads, unless the girls and boys are to play the same night and then they are only getting judged for one or the other. These cheerleaders are also going to be the ones going to KAPOS. They have worked together all year long and worked very hard and their coach isn't going to sit anyone out, for any reason!

I have been listening all the stuff going on lately,your right! why can,t they cheer for both! I have seen JCHS cheer and they are loosing a lot of great talent that is not on the competition squad. look like they could cheer together as one! I agree they work there tails off. Something should be done! From what I`ve gathered you need money to get what you want. Nice chatting with you!

[EKYMAMA]

like I said jchs competition squad doesn`t have nothing! My opinion, is to bring back a few of the girls you left out! When going to Florida you will fall on your face! I will be there to wittness this,I couldn`t miss this for nothing! Good luck to the other squads!!!!

[halfstep]

like I said jchs competition squad doesn`t have nothing! My opinion, is to bring back a few of the girls you left out! When going to Florida you will fall on your face! I will be there to wittness this,I couldn`t miss this for nothing! Good luck to the other squads!!!!

Why would you say something like this? You need to wish all the squads nothing but luck. It is not the girls fault for what is going on at that school. They all work the tails off and are trying to do their best. The ones that quit shouldn't be allowed back on the squad, cause they quit. If they want to try out next season that is fine. Because I do believe that everyone does deserve a second chance, because we all and I mean ALL do make mistakes. Good Luck girls in Florida!:Cheerlead

[BigEagle]

wow, you guys really don't know the whole truth about JC Cheerleading. Half step is just a mad dad, because these girls didn't want to work hard to be there. Freshmen has always had to prove themselves. That's just the way it has been throughout time. I do agree that the girls that quit were talented. But you still have to log the time. It is hard to go from Middle School dominance to being a Freshman. Whole different game, we all know that.

[EKYMAMA]

wow, you guys really don't know the whole truth about JC Cheerleading. Half step is just a mad dad, because these girls didn't want to work hard to be there. Freshmen has always had to prove themselves. That's just the way it has been throughout time. I do agree that the girls that quit were talented. But you still have to log the time. It is hard to go from Middle School dominance to being a Freshman. Whole different game, we all know that.

I`ve been around the system for a long time, from what I have seen the Freshman worked harder then anyone esle. They wasnt`t late for practice or games. seems like the others girls were either late,talking on cell phones and t.alking to boyfriends. If you were there you would no what I was talking about.I`m there after scool everyday I no alot that stays hidden from alot of people. You should hang around some time or maybe you do!

[Eagle Eye]

I`ve been around the system for a long time, from what I have seen the Freshman worked harder then anyone esle. They wasnt`t late for practice or games. seems like the others girls were either late,talking on cell phones and t.alking to boyfriends. If you were there you would no what I was talking about.I`m there after scool everyday I no alot that stays hidden from alot of people. You should hang around some time or maybe you do!

Maybe instead of hanging around the gym you should go back to school and learn how to spell and use correct grammer. The bottom line is some of these girls QUIT. Deal with it.

By the way... BEST OF LUCK JCHS CHEERLEADERS!! You guys have overcome a lot this year and made a lot of us proud.

[EKYMAMA]

Maybe instead of hanging around the gym you should go back to school and learn how to spell and use correct grammer. The bottom line is some of these girls QUIT. Deal with it.

By the way... BEST OF LUCK JCHS CHEERLEADERS!! You guys have overcome a lot this year and made a lot of us proud.

Right off the bat let`s get the truth straight. For those saying the freshman left the JCHS squad because they didn`t want to work hard, there are still 3 freshman on the comp. that you generalize in using the term freshman. For the exact statistics, 17 of the original 25 girls chosen for the comp. squad quit. Out of these 17 only 4 were freshman. If you can do the math,that left 13 girls that were not freshman. next, lets look at the facts that these freshman,were coached by Neva Bentley and everyone knows there is know tougher coach than her. From what I`ve heard she`s been undeafeated for the last two years! Which included these freshman girls,so evidently hard work was not a problem. So let`s get facts straight that Sturgills practices are weak and unorganized not to mention run by a few upper classman. So in closing, let me say, beware of false information trying to cover up the down fall of the squad.

[cheergirl]

Right off the bat let`s get the truth straight. For those saying the freshman left the JCHS squad because they didn`t want to work hard, there are still 3 freshman on the comp. that you generalize in using the term freshman. For the exact statistics, 17 of the original 25 girls chosen for the comp. squad quit. Out of these 17 only 4 were freshman. If you can do the math,that left 13 girls that were not freshman. next, lets look at the facts that these freshman,were coached by Neva Bentley and everyone knows there is know tougher coach than her. From what I`ve heard she`s been undeafeated for the last two years! Which included these freshman girls,so evidently hard work was not a problem. So let`s get facts straight that Sturgills practices are weak and unorganized not to mention run by a few upper classman. So in closing, let me say, beware of false information trying to cover up the down fall of the squad.

If you attended the Winterfest Cheer Competition a few weeks ago,,,, you would have seen the middle school squad receive a second place trophy/

[EKYMAMA]

If you attended the Winterfest Cheer Competition a few weeks ago,,,, you would have seen the middle school squad receive a second place trophy/

If you had read this closely you would have seen I was talking about when those girls attended!They are now freshman!

[Ridge Runner]

Man what a thread to read! From all the information that I have read, it doesn't sound to fair to sit the girls who have been cheering all season long with a group that is supposed to cheer competions only. Also, I have seen both the middle and high school cheerleaders from Johnson County and from what I have seen over the years. It appears that the middle school girls have always appeared to be more disciplined than the high school squads. So that makes me also question. What is the problem when they get to the high school? I mean if you have that many girls quit a squad, that should make you raise an eyebrow. To me it sounds like their coach needs to forget what the girls, parents and everybody else thinks and run her squad like she is the one in charge. As for coaching two different squads, it sounds like she has bitten off more than she can chew. As for the girls that quit I also agree that they shouldn't be allowed back. BUT, I also agree with what was said earlier, that we all make mistakes, God knows I have, and it shouldn't be held agaist them when it comes time next year. We all do deserve second chances.
Sorry if I stepped on any toes. But, I just had to post on this one after I sit and read it all. Good Luck to all the girls no matter when and where they cheer!:Wave:

[jchsrulz]

Man what a thread to read! From all the information that I have read, it doesn't sound to fair to sit the girls who have been cheering all season long with a group that is supposed to cheer competions only. Also, I have seen both the middle and high school cheerleaders from Johnson County and from what I have seen over the years. It appears that the middle school girls have always appeared to be more disciplined than the high school squads. So that makes me also question. What is the problem when they get to the high school? I mean if you have that many girls quit a squad, that should make you raise an eyebrow. To me it sounds like their coach needs to forget what the girls, parents and everybody else thinks and run her squad like she is the one in charge. As for coaching two different squads, it sounds like she has bitten off more than she can chew. As for the girls that quit I also agree that they shouldn't be allowed back. BUT, I also agree with what was said earlier, that we all make mistakes, God knows I have, and it shouldn't be held agaist them when it comes time next year. We all do deserve second chances.
Sorry if I stepped on any toes. But, I just had to post on this one after I sit and read it all. Good Luck to all the girls no matter when and where they cheer!:Wave:

All the girls on the comp squad have cheered games all year long either on the black or gold squads. The comp squad was simply put together for that reason. They, both sponsors, wanted to put together the best team possible to represent JCHS, but as we all know, things don't always go as planned. I myself like this situation, I believe that some more cheerleaders will come out to be part of the atmosphere in the regular season and not have to worry about extra training for the grueling competitons. This is a very tough competition. One mistake can cost a years worth of practice! Some girls don't want that pressure. They want to have fun on the sidelines!:Cheerlead

[Ridge Runner]

All the girls on the comp squad have cheered games all year long either on the black or gold squads. The comp squad was simply put together for that reason. They, both sponsors, wanted to put together the best team possible to represent JCHS, but as we all know, things don't always go as planned. I myself like this situation, I believe that some more cheerleaders will come out to be part of the atmosphere in the regular season and not have to worry about extra training for the grueling competitons. This is a very tough competition. One mistake can cost a years worth of practice! Some girls don't want that pressure. They want to have fun on the sidelines!:Cheerlead

From what I have read, I realize that they cheered on both squads. Was just posting an opinion based on what was posted. Must say this was a very interesting thread to read. From what I could tell everyone had some good points and statements. Sounds like it was an up and down year though. I just hope that the girls can support each other no matter what. Maybe the girls that quit this year, just needed a break. They may come back next year and be ready to roll and be a big boost for the team. As for the pressure, I really don't think it is that. Almost all of the girls have done it for years and to me, cheerleaders are very focused and have ice in their veins! LOL!! It does seem that there may be a problem with the amount of girls to quit, not just freshman, but sophamores and juniors. Well, This will be my last reply. Like I said, I just had to post my opinion, (which I am entitled to), since I went through the trouble of reading the whole thing.

[jchsrulz]

From what I have read, I realize that they cheered on both squads. Was just posting an opinion based on what was posted. Must say this was a very interesting thread to read. From what I could tell everyone had some good points and statements. Sounds like it was an up and down year though. I just hope that the girls can support each other no matter what. Maybe the girls that quit this year, just needed a break. They may come back next year and be ready to roll and be a big boost for the team. As for the pressure, I really don't think it is that. Almost all of the girls have done it for years and to me, cheerleaders are very focused and have ice in their veins! LOL!! It does seem that there may be a problem with the amount of girls to quit, not just freshman, but sophamores and juniors. Well, This will be my last reply. Like I said, I just had to post my opinion, (which I am entitled to), since I went through the trouble of reading the whole thing.
You seem too have a level head and have soom good comments, I was just trying to provide a little info and put my 2 cents in. I may be broke before too long thogh. LOL:thanks:

[EKYMAMA]

Alot of the schools aren`t going to be happy competing against the competion squad! If they only knew it wasn`t there regular squad, the black or gold. Wonder how things will turn out? JC always has to cheat!:served:

[Eagle Eye]

Alot of the schools aren`t going to be happy competing against the competion squad! If they only knew it wasn`t there regular squad, the black or gold. Wonder how things will turn out? JC always has to cheat!:served:

Okay, you obviously put this on here to make people believe this is a totally different group of girls. Shewww....here it is folks. The competition squad is made up of the same group of girls who cheer either on the black or gold squad. These are the SAME girls who have cheered ALL games this season. The only difference is that it is just a combination of both squads MINUS a few. Obviously someone is upset that their girl either QUIT the competiton squad or was never on it in the first place. Remember...this is a competition squad which is COMPETING in the district tournament.

[jchsrulz]

Alot of the schools aren`t going to be happy competing against the competion squad! If they only knew it wasn`t there regular squad, the black or gold. Wonder how things will turn out? JC always has to cheat!:served:

WAHH WAHH WAHH!!!:Sad04: I'm gonna tell my mommy! You called us cheaters!!
If you are gonna serve, at least make mine a Miller Lite!!:beerwez: :moon:

[Eagle Eye]

Oh, by the way...if the competiton squad didn't cheer the district who would? The black or the gold squad? Sounds like they made the right choice by picking the squad that is made up of both to me!!

[EKYMAMA]

If they had made the right choices they would have made it past the first rounds in Florida. Look at the pictures on varisty.com and see the how the girls looked. They looked not focused, didn`t even look like a team. The other girls looked more professional! I`m glad I was there to wittness this. Sturgill needs to do something or get out ! Several of the stunts weren`t even thrown. All this hard work for nothing but embarrasement. I`m glad my daughter is not at this level to cheer. I`m sure when she is she`ll not cheer unless things change!

[cheer_girl]

Well cheering at a game and at a competition are 2 completely different things so sure why not sounds like a good idea to have 2 separate squads....

[jchsrulz]

If they had made the right choices they would have made it past the first rounds in Florida. Look at the pictures on varisty.com and see the how the girls looked. They looked not focused, didn`t even look like a team. The other girls looked more professional! I`m glad I was there to wittness this. Sturgill needs to do something or get out ! Several of the stunts weren`t even thrown. All this hard work for nothing but embarrasement. I`m glad my daughter is not at this level to cheer. I`m sure when she is she`ll not cheer unless things change!

Don't take this in a bad way, but if it hasn't changed you have three options:
1. Not cheer
2. Transfer schools
3. Deal with it

Don't you just love America!!!:salute:

[WandaST]

If they had made the right choices they would have made it past the first rounds in Florida. Look at the pictures on varisty.com and see the how the girls looked. They looked not focused, didn`t even look like a team. The other girls looked more professional! I`m glad I was there to wittness this. Sturgill needs to do something or get out ! Several of the stunts weren`t even thrown. All this hard work for nothing but embarrasement. I`m glad my daughter is not at this level to cheer. I`m sure when she is she`ll not cheer unless things change!

This thread has gone on long enough. I'm not certain if you are an adult or a child. You say you have a daughter so I am assuming that you are an adult. Your comments are only hurting children. Would you want someone to write something about your daughter on this website? Those girls have worked so hard and do not deserve the negative attention that this thread and posts such as yours have done.

I was actually in Florida with the JCHS competition squad. I can tell all who read this thread that they conducted themselves in a manner that would make anyone associated with Johnson Central and Eastern Kentucky proud. I was proud of them,,,not only on how well they did with their routine, because they did do well,,,,,,,,but also with their behavior and attitudes. They are a lovely group of young ladies and I think it is about time that they get the respect that they deserve.

Some of the people who have posted on this thread should use their behavior as an example.

[halfstep]

From what I have read, I realize that they cheered on both squads. Was just posting an opinion based on what was posted. Must say this was a very interesting thread to read. From what I could tell everyone had some good points and statements. Sounds like it was an up and down year though. I just hope that the girls can support each other no matter what. Maybe the girls that quit this year, just needed a break. They may come back next year and be ready to roll and be a big boost for the team. As for the pressure, I really don't think it is that. Almost all of the girls have done it for years and to me, cheerleaders are very focused and have ice in their veins! LOL!! It does seem that there may be a problem with the amount of girls to quit, not just freshman, but sophamores and juniors. Well, This will be my last reply. Like I said, I just had to post my opinion, (which I am entitled to), since I went through the trouble of reading the whole thing.


:thumb: Nice Post Ridge Runner! :thumb:

[halfstep]

If they had made the right choices they would have made it past the first rounds in Florida. Look at the pictures on varisty.com and see the how the girls looked. They looked not focused, didn`t even look like a team. The other girls looked more professional! I`m glad I was there to wittness this. Sturgill needs to do something or get out ! Several of the stunts weren`t even thrown. All this hard work for nothing but embarrasement. I`m glad my daughter is not at this level to cheer. I`m sure when she is she`ll not cheer unless things change!
:no: :boo:

Well, I have been laying low and just reading. But, I have to say something on this one. Since I started it. YES, I spoke what was my opinion about the coach. Which I am entitled to and which happens to tons more coaches on here. Then, I left it alone. The only thing that kills me though, is what is said outside those gym doors and oh how fast it changes once they go inside the doors. I will say this also towards Ms. Sturgill, at least she and everyone knows how I felt and I was straight forward and up front, unlike alot of others who stand out there, talk alot and then walk in with their second face on! If she only knew how many knives were in her back. :secret: I WILL NOT, say any names, but they know who they are. NOW, one thing I NEVER, EVER did was say anything negative towards the girls. Heck, I have lugged over half of them around, fed them and they have stayed at my house. I love them to death. They have worked their tails off and I am sure that they did the best they could in Florida. By the way Good Job girls. I am sure that you represented JCHS and KY well.
I have to agree with JCHSRULZ on this one EKYMAMA. They listed 3 options. Choose one!

As for everyone telling me what they think is wrong, and what should be done, and telling me "put this on the site". Well, if you want it here, put it here yourself and Just stay away. I am only there to watch the kids play ball and cheer while they are young. Cause they will be gone before you know it and you will wish to God you could see them out there again. So watch them have fun and enjoy them. Cause they are watching everything you do!:Wave:


Originally Posted by Ridge Runner
I just hope that the girls can support each other no matter what. Maybe the girls that quit this year, just needed a break. They may come back next year and be ready to roll and be a big boost for the team.

:theman: :mad: :loveya: :lol: :thanks:

Everyone of you know who I am. Except my daughter. She has know clue and has never spoken a harsh word of anyone. She is happy with where she is right now and has never complained. I just hope everyone will read what Ridge Runner wrote and take his advice.
Good Luck in the Districts JC!:Cheerlead

Ladies and Gentlemen, Elvis has left the building!

[halfstep]

EKYMAMA! If you don't have one at this level. Then why worry or speak? Your time will come when you have a dog in the fight.

[BigEagle]

First of all, Half step is right in the respect of not saying names in his views. He did state his opinions which is his right. I also respect that he did wish the girls well in Fl. But now ekymama's comments on their focus and professionalism is "DEAD WRONG". She says she was there, if she was she sure missed very poor performances by other schools. Alot of teams really had bad days down there. Dropped mounts, tumbling into each other and they still advanced, the girls had a good showing, maybe not the best, but certainly good enough to move on. On the Competition Squad deal, this was started at try-outs, everybody knew what was going on from the start. The Competition Squad was put together, for one reason "ONLY", that was for the girls who wanted to compete, because some girls in years past didn't want to compete, but they wanted to cheer games. Yes, there was alot of girls that did quit early, for what reasons, it doesn't matter. Alot of people Have questioned Miss Sturgill and Mrs. Green about this. But they have worked with the girls that truly wanted to stay. These girls that are left have worked very hard. The girls that have left are very talented, too. But if they are not there to work with how can you blame the coach. Most of the young ladies that left where young. This is a different game in High School, because there are so many things to do other than cheerleading. So alot of talented kids get into other things, nobody fault just High School. Could JCHS have won with the other girls, only "God" could answer that. Maybe they would have done great or not. When Freshman come in they are at the bottom again, just like in 4th grade and as 7th Graders. When you come to High School Sports, you have to "PROVE" yourself "AGAIN", because others are sometimes jealous of the "NEW GIRL WITH TALENT COMING IN". I have been there with my Daughter, it was painful at times to see her go through that. But she stuck with it and overcame it. Before you are quick to "BLAST" a Coach or any Coach, find out the entire truth about the matter at hand, then either speak to the coach or advise your child accordingly.

[EKYMAMA]

If Sturgill is so "GREAT" than list her accomplishments in the last six years! Not very many wins are they!:lmao:

[justwatching]

what about pburg adding a girl at the last minute who hasn't cheered or did not try out for cheerleading. Any thoughts on that? I heart the want to compete against sf and not pikeville.

[EKYMAMA]

I guess JCHS has not had very many winnings, because I`ve not had a response!!!!!

[BigEagle]

oh, don't worry i will have you some results, later.

[eagleclaw]

I guess JCHS has not had very many winnings, because I`ve not had a response!!!!!
I can't say for sure the accomplishments in the last 6 years, but I can for the past 3
2003-1st place district game situation
1st place district KAPOS at large
1st place KAPOS regional large varsity
5th place KAPOS State at Large large varsity
2004-same as 2003 plus UCA National semi-finalist
2005-1st place district in game plus KAPOS at large
1st place KAPOS region at large small varsity
2006-1st place small varsity Battle of the Bluegrass.

[JC'sBest]

EKYMAMA!
SO are you satisfied now that you have the results??

[OnTheMove]

what about pburg adding a girl at the last minute who hasn't cheered or did not try out for cheerleading. Any thoughts on that? I heart the want to compete against sf and not pikeville.

If I'm not mistaken, Paintsville HS did this recently as well. They added a middle schooler, who actually joined the middle school squad mid year, then got to move up to Varsity and began cheering those games. I think this is unfair to the middle cheerleaders who...#1 had to change routines/formations when she and a few other girls got to join the squad mid stream....#2 The MS squad then had to change again because she left the squad and began cheering with the HS. Does that seem fair?

[jchsrulz]

I can't say for sure the accomplishments in the last 6 years, but I can for the past 3
2003-1st place district game situation
1st place district KAPOS at large
1st place KAPOS regional large varsity
5th place KAPOS State at Large large varsity
2004-same as 2003 plus UCA National semi-finalist
2005-1st place district in game plus KAPOS at large
1st place KAPOS region at large small varsity
2006-1st place small varsity Battle of the Bluegrass.

DANG!!!!!!!
I thought Sturgill sucked!LOL
Looks like a purdy good resume to me.
Don't like your surroundings, move on!

[The Guru]

If I'm not mistaken, Paintsville HS did this recently as well. They added a middle schooler, who actually joined the middle school squad mid year, then got to move up to Varsity and began cheering those games. I think this is unfair to the middle cheerleaders who...#1 had to change routines/formations when she and a few other girls got to join the squad mid stream....#2 The MS squad then had to change again because she left the squad and began cheering with the HS. Does that seem fair?
At Paintsville, during a practice their coach allowed the cheerleaders to raise their hand if they only wanted to cheer games and not comps. about four raised their hands and were allowed to leave and didn't have to practice when they were getting ready for comps. Then she thought she needed at least one more cheerleader for comps and decided to pull up from the middle school. This is allowed as it is in their handbook. But after a few weeks, she made the other girls return to cheer in comps. The strange thing is, that they have not cheered any comps other than in game, and are not cheering KAPOS, or anywhere else that we are aware of.

[UK Wildcats]

About the whole Prestonsburg situation, from what i have heard they pulled up an alternate for competition just because in their routine there was a mount that was strugling and to make it safer they pulled up that girl. So being that they had 12 girls they would have to move up a division, not sure how true this is but if pikeville and johnson central does it then why is it such a big deal! Again that information is just from what i have heard not sure how true.. can any one confirm this?

[BigEagle]

As promised for EKYMAMA, I hope the following will serve to show the Anita Sturgill is a good Coach. Most of the girls that quit just didn't want to Cheer and I respect that from them. For whatever reason it doesn't matter, I "DO NOT" think that is a big deal. But, we as Humans are never "satisfied" with Coaches decisions. These people who choose to Coach, do so with little pay, if any. They spend many hours doing this, and it does take alot of time. Also, Coach Mattney, Coach Starnes, and Coach Hall are very good Coaches, they make mistakes sometimes, people also quit from thier teams as well. But nobody is sitting here blasting them on the way they Coach. I guess what I'm am trying to say is, Good Athletes are in every sport at JC, Good Athletes also quit at JC. JC has the best Athletes up and down the river, each and every kid at JC are "Winners" PERIOD. But enough of that, it is time for your list:

2006
*Battle of the Bluegrass-1st Place/Medium Varsity

2004-2005
*57th District In-Game Situation/1st Place
*KAPOS District-at-Large/1st Place-2 1/2 Minute Routine
*KAPOS Region-at-Large/1st Place-2 1/2 Minute Routine
*KAPOS State-at-Large(Small Varsity)-9th Place
*NCA/Cheers for the Holiday @ Transy/ 1st Place
*Bluegrass Regional Bid to Nationals/4th Place
*UCA Nationals/Superior Squad

2003-2004
*57th District In-Game Situation/1st Place
*KAPOS District-at-Large/1st Place-2 1/2 Minute Routine
*KAPOS Region-at-Large/1st Place-2 1/2 Minute Routine
*Kapos State-at-Large/5th Place(Large)-2 1/2 Minute Routine
*Bluegrass Regional Bid for Nationals/3rd Place
*UCA Nationals/Semi-Finalist

2002-2003
*57th District In-Game Situation/1st Place
*KAPOS District-at-Large/1st Place-2 1/2 Minute Routine
*KAPOS Region-at-Large/1st Place-2 1/2 Minute Routine
*KAPOS State-at-Large/5th Place(Large)-2 1/2 Minute Routine

2001-2002
*57th District In-Game Situation/1st Place
*KAPOS District-at-Large/1st Place-2 1/2 Minute Routine
*KAPOS Region-at-Large/1st Place(Large)-2 1/2 Minute Routine
*Holiday Classic/2nd Place

Huh, Impressive I would say.


A Quote from "jchsrulz", DO LIKE YOUR SURROUNDINGS, MOVE ON.

Keep a stepping "MAMA".

[EKYMAMA]

DANG!!!!!!!
I thought Sturgill sucked!LOL
Looks like a purdy good resume to me.
Don't like your surroundings, move on!

DANG!!! She still doesn`t look impressive to me. She still sucks!!!

[EKYMAMA]

DANG!!!!!!!
I thought Sturgill sucked!LOL
Looks like a purdy good resume to me.
Don't like your surroundings, move on!

SHE Don`t suck she licks!!!!!:moon:

[jchsrulz]

SHE Don`t suck she licks!!!!!:moon:

That could be the most classless statement I have ever seen on this site!:CE_DP_Ste

I hope an administrator sees this.:rules:

[BigEagle]

It really does show that you are either "Jealous" or "Mad". It really doesn't matter, because these last couple of post shows that you have no class. You and others can down Miss Sturgill about whatever you want, but the bottom line is she has won with the girls that have chosen to stay and cheer. Also, she has in the past, and still does require that the girls are well precieved by the public. These girls and other squads in the past, are always well mannered, polite and very professional. She requires them to represent the School and the Community with pride. So if you still have problems with the way it is, then I suggest that you "CRAWL" back into your "CAVE" and "Hibernate" until your child is of age, then you may reappear to "GRIPE" again.

Once again I will say, "KEEP A STEPPING MAMA".

[Eagle Eye]

It really does show that you are either "Jealous" or "Mad". It really doesn't matter, because these last couple of post shows that you have no class. You and others can down Miss Sturgill about whatever you want, but the bottom line is she has won with the girls that have chosen to stay and cheer. Also, she has in the past, and still does require that the girls are well precieved by the public. These girls and other squads in the past, are always well mannered, polite and very professional. She requires them to represent the School and the Community with pride. So if you still have problems with the way it is, then I suggest that you "CRAWL" back into your "CAVE" and "Hibernate" until your child is of age, then you may reappear to "GRIPE" again.

Once again I will say, "KEEP A STEPPING MAMA".

How would Ms. Sturgill deal with a cheerleader from her squad cheering the boys game and then immediately change into the visiting school's colors and sit in the visitors pep section to cheer against her school's girl team?:boo:

[BigEagle]

Why does that matter? I guess y'all need something else to complain about. Who really cares? I don't!

[EKYMAMA]

[QUOTE="Eagle Eye"]How would Ms. Sturgill deal with a cheerleader from her squad cheering the boys game and then immediately change into the visiting school's colors and sit in the visitors pep section to cheer against her school's girl team?:boo:[/QUOT

I really don`t know which cheerleader your talking about because several of them are dating PAINTSVILLE boys. I have seen several of the girls supporting their boyfriends who are playing. They have wore their shirts with names on them or say TIGERS. What does that matter? If you think you know who I am call me!:phone:

[Eagle Eye]

No problem with supporting your boyfriend's team! Wear their shirts and cheer like crazy! I think that is great. But not on your home floor right after you cheered with your school's girls team on the floor. By the way, I don't think this cheerleader had a boyfriend on the varsity squad. Not a big deal, I just didn't think it looked very good.

[EKYMAMA]

I don`t think any of the girls mean any harm on that one, there just supporting there guys!

[The Informer]

EKYMAMA, your cool! JCHS does suck!!!:) lol:lmao:

[halfstep]

Originally Posted by Eagle Eye
How would Ms. Sturgill deal with a cheerleader from her squad cheering the boys game and then immediately change into the visiting school's colors and sit in the visitors pep section to cheer against her school's girl team?


O.K. I shouldn't have to explain this but I will.
1st: She didn't have the other teams shirt on. It was just gray. She didn't want to stand in the middle of them with her JC stuff on. Which I understand.
2nd: If you payed any attention you would have noticed that she wasn't cheering for the other team. We always make fun of her by telling her she looks like a stump on a log by just standing there all the time with her arms crossed. They kept telling her to shut up because she did cheer for her girls, who are some of her best friends.
3rd: No, her boyfriend doesn't play varsity. But, she was standing with him. Like when you were younger you wouldn't have followed your boyfriend or girlfriend around. I didn't know there was a rule on where you have to sit or stand. This is a free country.
4th: I thought that when you went to a highschool basketball game you went to watch the game, not highschool girls. What she does on her own time is her buisness not yours or anyone elses. At least she stayed in the gym, unlike the others.
5th: I spoke my peace and left it alone. She is very happy doing what she is doing. So I am happy. It is people like a few of you who just can't leave it alone. Does it bother you that much that she quit? It doesn't me, once I got the whole truth. That's why you never see me on here saying anything else about the matter. Except when I get ticked off by people slinging names when they have no clue on who or what they are talking about.
6th: EKYMAMA, I appreciate the compliments. But, you have said enogh and I can defend my own. If you aren't at this level yet you need to worry about your own. Your time will soon come. But, judging by the way you talk to people, it may not.

Also. How is B. Castle's arm I know she was hurt pretty bad the other day. I hope she is alright. Get well soon Brook. You will be missed.

[halfstep]

By the way I was wrong her shirt was blue.

[Cheer Fan]

How many schools cheerleaders cheer for both boys and girls using only one cheerleading squad? I have seen very few squads cheer the same squad and cheer for both teams on double header games...most the squads cheered only the first game or left at half time of the last game...Magoffin did cheer for both girls and boys every time we played them...and they never quit supporting their teams!!! Way to go girls...other squads should be "Cheerleaders" and support their teams...competitons are very important but without basketball games why would their have ever been a need for cheerleaders??[/U]

[BringItOn]

The three squads system is a nightmare. The girls that are serious and want to compete and practice make the team. The girls that want to goof off and just have fun are on the other squads. The ones that don't complain and cause problems. The parents are worse. High School is where kids start learning hard facts that not everyone makes competion squads. The boys and girls basketball teams do not have a black, gold and competiton squad, why should cheer leading? The three squads this year have created alot of hard hard feelings and problems. I hear they are going to one squad next year and encourage the girls who do not make it to find other activities to participate in.

[luvcheer]

WOW, where's the moderator on this thread???????

[Pirate Pal]

Right here!!!


I think that this issue is one for Johnson Central to discuss during their site base council, parents, cheerleaders, Athletic Director, Sponsor, & Prinicipal.

It has done nothing but cause further hard feelings by this thread...Say Goodbye!!