Cheerleading Politics: Does the name ever win the competition?

[BHSAll-American]

I'm not saying the judges dosen't do a good job because the DEFENITELY DO!.. but sometimes it's hard to overlook that some competitions have there favorites... am i the only one who thinks so..??

[CheerMom]

I agree with you.

[KyCheerleading]

I'm not saying the judges dosen't do a good job because the DEFENITELY DO!.. but sometimes it's hard to overlook that some competitions have there favorites... am i the only one who thinks so..??

I agree with u 100%. For example, did u see KAPOS State At Large last year in the medium category?? Hazard hit a PERFECT routine they had 4 groups, & lots of difficulty, Pikeville dropped with 3 groups, and then PLD's jv was nothing compared to Pikeville or Hazard!! Then it went 1st - PLD 2nd - Pikeville 3rd - HAzard. it was their names that got them that far. That is probably the worst judging i have ever seen. I was in total shock! And this year at UCA NAtionals in the small category! Pikeville not beating PCC?? Pikeville is awesome and by far better than PCC. I mean PCC did shoulder sits as their cheer mount!! Ur name def. gets u farther!! U must build ur name up b4 u get credit for ur greatness

[rebel mom]

Agree 100%.

[ac_rebel_chick]

Definetly Agree 100%

[cheer_leader]

I agree with u 100%. For example, did u see KAPOS State At Large last year in the medium category?? Hazard hit a PERFECT routine they had 4 groups, & lots of difficulty, Pikeville dropped with 3 groups, and then PLD's jv was nothing compared to Pikeville or Hazard!! Then it went 1st - PLD 2nd - Pikeville 3rd - HAzard. it was their names that got them that far. That is probably the worst judging i have ever seen. I was in total shock! And this year at UCA NAtionals in the small category! Pikeville not beating PCC?? Pikeville is awesome and by far better than PCC. I mean PCC did shoulder sits as their cheer mount!! Ur name def. gets u farther!! U must build ur name up b4 u get credit for ur greatness

i agree 100 percent
pcc was nothing compared to pikeville they didnt even deserve to be in the top at finals pikeville will find a way to repay them at state im sure

[cheer_leader]

also pld winning state in medium last year over pikeville and hazard was ridicoulous pld jv was just flat out terrible it was def. there name not there talent they were the worst no offense

[Pirate Pal]

also pld winning state in medium last year over pikeville and hazard was ridicoulous pld jv was just flat out terrible it was def. there name not there talent they were the worst no offense

You know...that is funny that you said this. In another thread when someone else was saying the exact same thing about 'THE NAME, NOT THEIR TALENT" winning for them this is the response that you gave to them....

okay stop being a sore loser, really ppl with talent usually have a reputation of being the best

seems funny that you just contradict yourself when the shoes on the other foot:shh: :lame:

[Tweety]

:lol:



LOL ok with that said...

Absolutely! 100% agreed! See it all the time...

[Cheer!]

I somewhat agree... but last year at state it was a joke that pikeville lost.. they were awesome... they didnt have a fall one stunt came down early..... pld jv was horrible with only handsprings and no standing backs...... the only reason pikeville lost was because of some bogus technical deduction.... hazard should have definatley beaten pld jv

[cheercutie45]

I agree with u 100%. For example, did u see KAPOS State At Large last year in the medium category?? Hazard hit a PERFECT routine they had 4 groups, & lots of difficulty, Pikeville dropped with 3 groups, and then PLD's jv was nothing compared to Pikeville or Hazard!! Then it went 1st - PLD 2nd - Pikeville 3rd - HAzard. it was their names that got them that far. That is probably the worst judging i have ever seen. I was in total shock! And this year at UCA NAtionals in the small category! Pikeville not beating PCC?? Pikeville is awesome and by far better than PCC. I mean PCC did shoulder sits as their cheer mount!! Ur name def. gets u farther!! U must build ur name up b4 u get credit for ur greatness



Now... i have a reply to add to this lil comment... if enyone needs to be tlkin bout winnin because of their names it would be HAZARD!!!... its not enouf that they cheat when it comes to ball... but will do eny thang when it comes to cheerleadin!! and lemme tell ya!! perry central won over pikeville... because they hit all their tumbling WITHOUT A PROBLEM!! and if i can member a gurl from pikeville plowed into the floor on full full... and we were without a doubt the most clean team there... we were stiff and had facials the whole time and perry central deserves the place they got. and the whole crwdit for greatness!!! hunny we've had greatness since the school opened! and shoulder sits werent our only cheer mounts we did single bases ta libs. and hazard drops a prep in the back of a pyramid!!! i dont even wanna hear that! so think it over sweetheart!:wenumber1 :omg:

[cheercutie45]

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I agree with u 100%. For example, did u see KAPOS State At Large last year in the medium category?? Hazard hit a PERFECT routine they had 4 groups, & lots of difficulty, Pikeville dropped with 3 groups, and then PLD's jv was nothing compared to Pikeville or Hazard!! Then it went 1st - PLD 2nd - Pikeville 3rd - HAzard. it was their names that got them that far. That is probably the worst judging i have ever seen. I was in total shock! And this year at UCA NAtionals in the small category! Pikeville not beating PCC?? Pikeville is awesome and by far better than PCC. I mean PCC did shoulder sits as their cheer mount!! Ur name def. gets u farther!! U must build ur name up b4 u get credit for ur greatness
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now if enyone needs to be talkin bout winnin because of their names it def. shouldnt be hazard tlkin bout us .. i mean its bad enouf that they have ta try to cheat us in basketball but cheerleadin too i mean c'mon .... its okay that u dropped a prep in the back of the routine .. and didnt make it to finals im so srry bout that ... and pcc deserves evry thang they have one.. and as i recall at nationals a gurl from pikeville had a lil bit of blue mat in her teeth after her big attempt to full full huh ?? evry tumblin pass pcc did they hit it WITHOUT A PROBLEM... and they were without a doubt the cleanest and stiffest team there!!!! and the greatness has ben runnin in our name since the school opened!:omg: :worthy:

[cheer_leader]

You know...that is funny that you said this. In another thread when someone else was saying the exact same thing about 'THE NAME, NOT THEIR TALENT" winning for them this is the response that you gave to them....



seems funny that you just contradict yourself when the shoes on the other foot:shh: :lame:

okay you were talking about 2003 kapos region when pikevilles 5th,6th,7th,8th,and 9th graders beat belfry high schools co-ed varsity at 15th region kapos and how there name got them there not there talent and i dont agree with that that squad was one of the best pikevilles ever had and this region has ever seen dominated nationals and came in good at state in coed with one guy they had talent more than beflry that year okay not just reputation talent so would you plz get over the fact that beflry was beat by a jr high/jv squad and lost that is what i was saying in the other threads

second of all in this thread i agree pcc shouldnt have made 5th at natioanls they fell in prelmins,semis and finals so im pretty sure there name got them there not there talent but you werent there so you dont know and its something you have no experience to obviously
and the thing about plds jv you rewind the kapos tapes and tell me who was better in your honest opion and squad with no fulls plds jv or mabye they had one or a squad with many fulls 3 or 4 maybe 5 pikeville and other ppl agree also hazard should have won 2nd or maybe even first in that divison it was just beacuse it was a lexington school dunbar that got them there with kapos not there talent they ddint even make it outta semis that year at nationals so yes pville and hazard was way better and pville only lost because of someone stepping on signs so therefore i proved my point rewind the tapes and talk to hazard and pville ppl then you would know better

so there i just proved MY point that pville beat belfry with talent and rep. they were so much better and they lost
and yes last year pld shouldnt have beat hazard or pville check it out and youd know other ppl agree so there now isnt that funny

[cheer_leader]

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I agree with u 100%. For example, did u see KAPOS State At Large last year in the medium category?? Hazard hit a PERFECT routine they had 4 groups, & lots of difficulty, Pikeville dropped with 3 groups, and then PLD's jv was nothing compared to Pikeville or Hazard!! Then it went 1st - PLD 2nd - Pikeville 3rd - HAzard. it was their names that got them that far. That is probably the worst judging i have ever seen. I was in total shock! And this year at UCA NAtionals in the small category! Pikeville not beating PCC?? Pikeville is awesome and by far better than PCC. I mean PCC did shoulder sits as their cheer mount!! Ur name def. gets u farther!! U must build ur name up b4 u get credit for ur greatness

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now if enyone needs to be talkin bout winnin because of their names it def. shouldnt be hazard tlkin bout us .. i mean its bad enouf that they have ta try to cheat us in basketball but cheerleadin too i mean c'mon .... its okay that u dropped a prep in the back of the routine .. and didnt make it to finals im so srry bout that ... and pcc deserves evry thang they have one.. and as i recall at nationals a gurl from pikeville had a lil bit of blue mat in her teeth after her big attempt to full full huh ?? evry tumblin pass pcc did they hit it WITHOUT A PROBLEM... and they were without a doubt the cleanest and stiffest team there!!!! and the greatness has ben runnin in our name since the school opened!:omg: :worthy:


your just jealous because you cant do full to full
pcc fell in every thing prelims,semis,and finals am i right? or did u not fall in atleats one of those i didnt get the story right
im just saying pville was better than you big time everyone knows it
and hazard was great i dont think anyone on ur squad can do a standing full!
so i mean it doesnt matter what tumbling pcc hit there stunts were so easy of course it was clean because it had no difficulties and i think its better to do the hard stuff and get a decent score then do easy stuff and get ur name up there

[cheer_leader]

oh and by the way facials? so you watched yourself do facials? thats pretty cool
you cant say you smiled more i watched and pville did that
i know semis dont mean anything but just saying pikeville killed you all in them
so if everything in our routine woulda hit you all would hav been dominated just like at semis im sure they will find a way to repay you at state

[PvilleCheerAlum]

Perry county has been far from greatness. I am pretty sure from 1999-2002 Pikeville killed you all at every competition. I know this becuase i participated in the slaughter. Perry county had a few good years in there. 2003-2005. and even that kindness is questionable. In 2003 you all had some good tumbling and got lucky that pikeville had a few bad years.

and from what i heard, we wont be able to have an accurate whooping of you all at state because you all scrounged up some girls to go medium. good luck with that. i hope dunbars jv dominates you all.

[UK Wildcats]

Ok... about 15th Region KAPOS that is definitely all politics. Every year Prestonsburg goes in with a better squad than the year before and SOME how they always end up getting runner-up. No matter if they do traditional or 2 ½. Like this year I heard that at KAPOS they stuck every mount and Johnson Central fell 5 times but, Johnson Central came out on top how is that right???? Pikeville's JV squad always wins no matter who is against them. That is probably why that no one but them were in the Traditional Category!

[UK Wildcats]

Ok... about 15th Region KAPOS that is definitely all politics. Every year Prestonsburg goes in with a better squad than the year before and SOME how they always end up getting runner-up. No matter if they do traditional or 2 ½. Like this year I heard that at KAPOS they stuck every mount and Johnson Central fell 5 times but, Johnson Central came out on top how is that right???? Pikeville's JV squad always wins no matter who is against them. That is probably why that no one but them were in the Traditional Category this year!!!

[cat4life_#60]

Well today at KAPOS i think the name did win it for Johnson Central they somehow defeated Prestonsburg this is what i go by to prove my point ok Pretonsburg's girls gave a flawless routine except for one bobble in a mount i believe ok now listen to this Johnson Central's squad had 5 Major FALLS in their routine whenever Prestonsburg had NOT ONE AT ALL but yet they stilll beat Prestonsburg by one point some how i'm no expert on the scoring system but common sense says that a squad that has 5 falls shouldn't beat a squad that had NO falls at all this is my opinion by just using common sense really displeased with the outcome of this judging there's really something wrong with that picture and i just don't see how that is possible unless that what this post talks about is true and that is that names do win competitions for schools example being today

[PvilleCheerAlum]

prestonsburg definetly should have won. The bad thing about KAPOS is that it is kind of like figure skating. people can fall all over the place but if they do alot of difficulty, or they have alot of other little additions that gain them points they will still come out on top. the penalty for falling isnt high enough.

GO BLACKCATS!

[cat4life_#60]

prestonsburg definetly should have won. The bad thing about KAPOS is that it is kind of like figure skating. people can fall all over the place but if they do alot of difficulty, or they have alot of other little additions that gain them points they will still come out on top. the penalty for falling isnt high enough.

GO BLACKCATS!


This is very true Prestonsburg definetly should have won for sure. You are right the penalty for falling isn't high enough. Not going by points but IMO falling makes the whole routine look like crap compared to a routine with no falls that's just what i think but i'm not judge

[PvilleCheerAlum]

The funny thing is I am a judge. I know that when i judge, i take off alot when a squad falls. There are alot of places where you can do this. i usually take off in difficulty because that is about the only place to take off. i take off in overall performance as well. If tumbling falls, even a single person, i will take off one point in the tumbling category. so i guess u could say its really up to the judge to make the decision how much they take off for a fall, and how much the fall factored into the entire performance.

There is no excuse for a squad to win if they have people falling all over the place. that isnt fair to everyone else.

[KentuckyHillBilly5321]

It seems like people think that a name does play a part . . .

But--what is the answer?

Out of state judges? National judges for state competitions?

Maybe PikevilleCheerAlum can give us a little more insight as to how a competition is judged. That would certainly help stimulate my mind a little more.

THIS IS A GENERAL STATEMENT--DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL--It seems like when ANY team loses--they make up a load of excuses. And a lot of times--teams love to try to play the bias card. Could that be happening here?

[blackcatgirl07]

UM NO this isnt a excuse.. Prestonsburg hit a routine perfect today... they know... I know.,.. that whole Gym knew it today! And they got cheated and got cheated bad!

[UK Wildcats]

THIS IS A GENERAL STATEMENT--DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL--It seems like when ANY team loses--they make up a load of excuses. And a lot of times--teams love to try to play the bias card. Could that be happening here?
I agree blackcat girl i wasnt there but I talked to a bunch of people that was there and I mean it wasn't only Prestonsburg that was saying that it was eveyone!!! And for one thing when you read that there was 5 FALLS from JC and none from Prestonsburg why would this even be an excuse???

[KentuckyHillBilly5321]

I agree blackcat girl i wasnt there but I talked to a bunch of people that was there and I mean it wasn't only Prestonsburg that was saying that it was eveyone!!! And for one thing when you read that there was 5 FALLS from JC and none from Prestonsburg why would this even be an excuse???

I don't believe that I referenced ANY actual situation that was being talked about. But--now that you mention it--remember--there are 3 sides to every story:
1. Yours
2. Their's (or mine)
3. The Truth

Again--REMEMBER--I didn't reference any case in mind. But it is real easy to come on here and say that a team got cheated. But WHAT CAN BE DONE TO FIX THE SITUATION?

What could have been fixed in the Prestonsburg situation? Is there any conclusive proof that a team was intentionally cheated? Or--could the judges have just been bad? Could it have been a difficulty question? (Which, even to me, I doubt that 5 falls could account for stronger difficulty).

[cat4life_#60]

Well there needs to be something done about the judges and where they are from and where their children go to school i'm not saying that this type of favoring is going on but just to make sure that it doesn't.

What PikevilleCheerAlum said about the judgin has really got my mind stimulated about the whole favoring issue cause if there isn't a standard point value for falling then how much a judge takes of for a fall is entirely up to them and for that matter maybe they favor a school better and don't take off as much i don't know but i'm just opeing the door to conversation in this thread but i think something has to give whenever a that a squad can fall 5 times in a routine and still win over a squad that doesn't have 1 fall nuff said.

[KentuckyHillBilly5321]

Well there needs to be something done about the judges and where they are from and where their children go to school i'm not saying that this type of favoring is going on but just to make sure that it doesn't.

What PikevilleCheerAlum said about the judgin has really got my mind stimulated about the whole favoring issue cause if there isn't a standard point value for falling then how much a judge takes of for a fall is entirely up to them and for that matter maybe they favor a school better and don't take off as much i don't know but i'm just opeing the door to conversation in this thread but i think something has to give whenever a that a squad can fall 5 times in a routine and still win over a squad that doesn't have 1 fall nuff said.


This is a **** good post IMO. At the very least--the issues are being addressed. (Which kills me considering how big cheerleading is). There should be some type of system set up that speaks to standard deductions for poor elements (or falls) in a routine. Not necessarily like ice skating or gymnastics--but at the very least--something that speaks to more consistency.

If things are close--that is one thing--but a person should be able to calculate (on their own--during a compeititon) how many points a team loses if they fall. Difficulty should count--but that is where the judges should do their work!

[Pirate Pal]

okay you were talking about 2003 kapos region when pikevilles 5th,6th,7th,8th,and 9th graders beat belfry high schools co-ed varsity at 15th region kapos and how there name got them there not there talent and i dont agree with that that squad was one of the best pikevilles ever had and this region has ever seen dominated nationals and came in good at state in coed with one guy they had talent more than beflry that year okay not just reputation talent so would you plz get over the fact that beflry was beat by a jr high/jv squad and lost that is what i was saying in the other threads



OK...let's finish this little back and forth..

1. Pikeville had a good squad that year, I'll give you that...BUT not a good Co-ED SQUAD!!! You tell me 1 co-ed thing that was performed in their routine. And in case you don't know let me tell you what co-ed consists of...Co-ed single based stunts, Co-ed basket tosses, etc...did you do any???? NOT ONE!!! The only thing that happened with that boy was that he tumbled and backspotted..that is the exact reason that the rules were changed because everyone knew that it ridiculous to be called Co-ed and not do any Co-ed Stunts.

2. How many squads competed in "NATIONALS" that year?...I know in the past few years there has been what under 10 in the entire division so that doesn't impress my 5-year-old much less me.

3. We will never agree as to whether the right squad won or not or if squads win by their name so we can just agree to disagree.

[cheer_leader]

OK...let's finish this little back and forth..

1. Pikeville had a good squad that year, I'll give you that...BUT not a good Co-ED SQUAD!!! You tell me 1 co-ed thing that was performed in their routine. And in case you don't know let me tell you what co-ed consists of...Co-ed single based stunts, Co-ed basket tosses, etc...did you do any???? NOT ONE!!! The only thing that happened with that boy was that he tumbled and backspotted..that is the exact reason that the rules were changed because everyone knew that it ridiculous to be called Co-ed and not do any Co-ed Stunts.

2. How many squads competed in "NATIONALS" that year?...I know in the past few years there has been what under 10 in the entire division so that doesn't impress my 5-year-old much less me.

3. We will never agree as to whether the right squad won or not or if squads win by their name so we can just agree to disagree.

1-yeah i agree we werent coed but we had no choice we had to go coed but when we did go into that divison we dominated thats enough for me to know and no at state there was a lot of coed squads there and we placed 3rd everyone knows everyoene everywhere knows pikevilles 2003 squad was great yeah i agree we shouldnt have ever had to go coed we just shoulda won large or med. or something like that or small coed do they have that? but we had to go coed and we swept the comp.

2-12 squads i think if im wrong it might have been 8 but im pretty sure it was 12 that year but i could have it confused and yeah its nationals get over it lets see you all go down there and make something of yourselves itd be too hard trust me if thats not nationals then why does uk morehead ut all those college squads go up there and compete at college nationals and call it nationals because its the same thing just for high school kids that are awesome dunbar greenup everyone goes there and yeah i dont care if it impresses u ur just jealous you cant be called that and yeah we dominated there that year too and yeah thats nationals so you all go there next year and compete in coed or w/e and then tell me how you all do and then criticize it because you have no experience to it what so ever thats why you have to say bad things about it

3-true you must have been on that squad or someting that goes along with it or maybe your just a fan idk and just still be a sore loser about it so youll keep saying "we shoula won" but lets face it coed or not we had better stuff than you all 6 fulls thrown, double downs, full ups, 360s, basket tosses, great mounts, scorpions, and overall and awesome routine so stop trying to take that away from us just because you all werent that good

but none the less pikeville does great at class a state comp, NATIONALS, kapos region, and kapos state they have talent and a NAME even there younger squad ppl around this country know who they are and today at kapos the varsity had the best performance of the day
what about your belfry squad?
okay

[Pirate Pal]

The funny thing is I am a judge. I know that when i judge, i take off alot when a squad falls. There are alot of places where you can do this. i usually take off in difficulty because that is about the only place to take off. i take off in overall performance as well. If tumbling falls, even a single person, i will take off one point in the tumbling category. so i guess u could say its really up to the judge to make the decision how much they take off for a fall, and how much the fall factored into the entire performance.

There is no excuse for a squad to win if they have people falling all over the place. that isnt fair to everyone else.

I have been a judge for a number of years also...and please do not take this wrong..BUT that is not how it is meant to be done..

You said that if a squad falls you take it off of difficulty and that is not where a fall is taken off at...You deduct the points from execution. (and maybe you meant to say execution instead of difficulty)

We are taught this over and over every year during our KAPOS testing.

Example...You have 2 squads

Squad 1 -----performs 3 ground up extended needles and double fulls out of them, immediately reloads and 360 ups to extended libs, but drops out of one lib

Squad 2 ------performs 3 ground up extensions and single fulls out of them then reloads back to 1/2 kewpies and doesn't drop anything........the correct judging would be as follows:

Squad 1 should receive a higher difficulty score, but drop a few tenths of a point in execution for the drop

Squad 2 should receive a lower difficulty score, but receive a good score for executing them well.

The same is done for tumbling, jumps, etc. In the KAPOS rule book, each and every jump/stunt/tumbling/pyramid is rated from least difficult to most difficult. A squad of 20 girls who performs 20 standing tucks would be rated higher than a squad of 20 girls who performs 20 standing back handsprings, etc. If 1 girls falls out of 20, I will only deduct .1 on tumbling, an entire point is a lot, but that is just me.

[cheer_leader]

Ok... about 15th Region KAPOS that is definitely all politics. Every year Prestonsburg goes in with a better squad than the year before and SOME how they always end up getting runner-up. No matter if they do traditional or 2 ½. Like this year I heard that at KAPOS they stuck every mount and Johnson Central fell 5 times but, Johnson Central came out on top how is that right???? Pikeville's JV squad always wins no matter who is against them. That is probably why that no one but them were in the Traditional Category this year!!!

yeah because pikevilles jv is dominate
and yall are all scared

[Pirate Pal]

1-yeah i agree we werent coed but we had no choice we had to go coed but when we did go into that divison we dominated thats enough for me to know and no at state there was a lot of coed squads there and we placed 3rd everyone knows everyoene everywhere knows pikevilles 2003 squad was great yeah i agree we shouldnt have ever had to go coed we just shoulda won large or med. or something like that or small coed do they have that? but we had to go coed and we swept the comp.

2-12 squads i think if im wrong it might have been 8 but im pretty sure it was 12 that year but i could have it confused and yeah its nationals get over it lets see you all go down there and make something of yourselves itd be too hard trust me if thats not nationals then why does uk morehead ut all those college squads go up there and compete at college nationals and call it nationals because its the same thing just for high school kids that are awesome dunbar greenup everyone goes there and yeah i dont care if it impresses u ur just jealous you cant be called that and yeah we dominated there that year too and yeah thats nationals so you all go there next year and compete in coed or w/e and then tell me how you all do and then criticize it because you have no experience to it what so ever thats why you have to say bad things about it

3-true you must have been on that squad or someting that goes along with it or maybe your just a fan idk and just still be a sore loser about it so youll keep saying "we shoula won" but lets face it coed or not we had better stuff than you all 6 fulls thrown, double downs, full ups, 360s, basket tosses, great mounts, scorpions, and overall and awesome routine so stop trying to take that away from us just because you all werent that good

but none the less pikeville does great at class a state comp, NATIONALS, kapos region, and kapos state they have talent and a NAME even there younger squad ppl around this country know who they are and today at kapos the varsity had the best performance of the day
what about your belfry squad?
okay


Yeah..you guessed it...I was on the squad that year..:shh: :AngelPray I'm just so bitter...:)

[cheer_leader]

UM NO this isnt a excuse.. Prestonsburg hit a routine perfect today... they know... I know.,.. that whole Gym knew it today! And they got cheated and got cheated bad!

i dont know about the whole pburg jcentral thing because im not a judge and that comp. seemed really tight

but pbrug didnt hit a perfect routine i dont think or maybe that was there routine if the other two girls pull stretches one girl pulls a lib? i was a little confused they were kinda shaky idk maybe im wrong sorry if i am but i have no clue if they hit all they were supposed to then they shoula won i guess but if jc hit all there stuff except one or two things and it was way harder then they shoula won idk comp. was tight but im sorry if u hit all your stuff and u got cheated thats not fair i agree

[cheer_leader]

:Hammer3: Yeah..you guessed it...I was on the squad that year..:shh: :AngelPray I'm just so bitter...:)

see you have nothing to say because you know its true

if thats supposed to be funny it actually is because whether u were on it or not you hate pikeville because pikeville is great and your not you lost today as well as then so your just not that good and you are bitter still talking about it we won plain and simple its over :rock:

[Pirate Pal]

:Hammer3:

see you have nothing to say because you know its true

if thats supposed to be funny it actually is because whether u were on it or not you hate pikeville because pikeville is great and your not you lost today as well as then so your just not that good and you are bitter still talking about it we won plain and simple its over :rock:


That's hilarious!!!! :)

I in noway hate pikeville, I think you are a little paranoid. I have family that cheers for Pikeville, I have a very good friend that Cheers for Pikeville, I know Mrs. Stone and Mrs. Wheeler very well and respect both of them. It is you my friend that is getting a little too emotional about the subject. Like I said, I do believe that Belfry was the better co-ed squad that year..let me repeat...co-ed squad, as does numerous people who I have spoken with over the years that have absolutely nothing to do with either Belfry or Pikeville or the 15th region for that matter. I do think that Pikeville's squad was good that year, as I have said, and that they probably would have placed 1st or 2nd in a different 2 1/2 division than co-ed.

I actually think that you and I have a lot in common, we evidentally have 2 stong opinions and views of things and aren't afraid to debate them...I like that:thumb: ;)

As far as me having nothing to say...that will never happen.:blabbermo :secret: :Angry07: :BigLaugh: :wenumber1 :thanks: :yesno: :boosign: :****happe :wtf1: :welcome: :) ;)

[cheer_leader]

That's hilarious!!!! :)

I in noway hate pikeville, I think you are a little paranoid. I have family that cheers for Pikeville, I have a very good friend that Cheers for Pikeville, I know Mrs. Stone and Mrs. Wheeler very well and respect both of them. It is you my friend that is getting a little too emotional about the subject. Like I said, I do believe that Belfry was the better co-ed squad that year..let me repeat...co-ed squad, as does numerous people who I have spoken with over the years that have absolutely nothing to do with either Belfry or Pikeville or the 15th region for that matter. I do think that Pikeville's squad was good that year, as I have said, and that they probably would have placed 1st or 2nd in a different 2 1/2 division than co-ed.

I actually think that you and I have a lot in common, we evidentally have 2 stong opinions and views of things and aren't afraid to debate them...I like that:thumb: ;)

As far as me having nothing to say...that will never happen.:blabbermo :secret: :Angry07: :BigLaugh: :wenumber1 :thanks: :yesno: :boosign: :****happe :wtf1: :welcome: :) ;)



yeah i think i know those two coaches very well :shh:
okay we had to go against you and we beat you
still talking about i guess your the paranoid one still talking about it wow its been 3 years and your still talking about it get over it


yeah i agree with you for once and thats about it

[Pirate Pal]

yeah i agree with you for once and thats about it


:omg: :yikes: will miracles never cease..... :) :stickoutt

[cheer_leader]

:omg: :yikes: will miracles never cease..... :) :stickoutt
ahahhahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahha that was hilarious
:worthy:

[cat4life_#60]

This is a **** good post IMO. At the very least--the issues are being addressed. (Which kills me considering how big cheerleading is). There should be some type of system set up that speaks to standard deductions for poor elements (or falls) in a routine. Not necessarily like ice skating or gymnastics--but at the very least--something that speaks to more consistency.

If things are close--that is one thing--but a person should be able to calculate (on their own--during a compeititon) how many points a team loses if they fall. Difficulty should count--but that is where the judges should do their work!

this is exactly what i'm saying use a standard point system for technical elements and like tumbling and mounts and things of that nature and leave the difficulty up to the judges like hillbilly said this is where they need to come in at if this were the case in today's competition i wouldn't have a problem because i know if there was a standard points system that prestonsburg would have slaughtered Johnson Central because Prestonsburg didn't FALL any when ever Johnson Central fell 5 times and IMO Prestonsburg routine was more difficult in many areas.

[cat4life_#60]

yeah because pikevilles jv is dominate
and yall are all scared


No they aren't scared of them being beat in a fair judgement but since they've never lost and alot of the judges are from pikeville umm..that seems a little stragne to me almost enough to think maybe they cheat people out of it every year which they probably do.

[cheer_leader]

No they aren't scared of them being beat in a fair judgement but since they've never lost and alot of the judges are from pikeville umm..that seems a little stragne to me almost enough to think maybe they cheat people out of it every year which they probably do.


are you kidding me i didnt know one coach out there from pikeville today
seriously they are we beat them bad last year i think i know we were just better
and yeah it was fair and we dont cheat we win you dont

[cheer_leader]

and last year in your home gym we beat you that seems pretty fair to me

[cat4life_#60]

Ok answer me this question where were the judges from ? if you can say one isn't from Pikeville or near it, has a daughter on the squad or has friends that have children on the squad and then it would be fair!

[PvilleCheerAlum]

I have been a judge for a number of years also...and please do not take this wrong..BUT that is not how it is meant to be done..

You said that if a squad falls you take it off of difficulty and that is not where a fall is taken off at...You deduct the points from execution. (and maybe you meant to say execution instead of difficulty)

We are taught this over and over every year during our KAPOS testing.

Example...You have 2 squads

Squad 1 -----performs 3 ground up extended needles and double fulls out of them, immediately reloads and 360 ups to extended libs, but drops out of one lib

Squad 2 ------performs 3 ground up extensions and single fulls out of them then reloads back to 1/2 kewpies and doesn't drop anything........the correct judging would be as follows:

Squad 1 should receive a higher difficulty score, but drop a few tenths of a point in execution for the drop

Squad 2 should receive a lower difficulty score, but receive a good score for executing them well.

The same is done for tumbling, jumps, etc. In the KAPOS rule book, each and every jump/stunt/tumbling/pyramid is rated from least difficult to most difficult. A squad of 20 girls who performs 20 standing tucks would be rated higher than a squad of 20 girls who performs 20 standing back handsprings, etc. If 1 girls falls out of 20, I will only deduct .1 on tumbling, an entire point is a lot, but that is just me.

i only give solid numbers. the .00, .1, .2, only make the determinations between squads even worse. when you do that, you get squads winning by only tenths of a point. I dont really take into consideration how KAPOS judging works. i have been the the certification to get more training in judging, but i have only judged one KAPOS competition and that was as an intern. I judge UCA/NCA competitions. At nationals in finals, if you have a girl put one hand down on the mat you have no hope of winning. They are going to take off points wherever they can.When you get into more experineced squads you have to be more harsh on smaller mistakes. taking off .1 for a stunt falling is how you end up with the results from the medium division today at region.

It is illegal to have a judge that could have any bias against anyone. They do not hire the people to come and judge unless they are from another region. The only exception is intern judges and their scores do not count. I definetly know that Lucy Moore would not let that fly.

[PvilleCheerAlum]

I have been a judge for a number of years also...and please do not take this wrong..BUT that is not how it is meant to be done..

You said that if a squad falls you take it off of difficulty and that is not where a fall is taken off at...You deduct the points from execution. (and maybe you meant to say execution instead of difficulty)

We are taught this over and over every year during our KAPOS testing.

Example...You have 2 squads

Squad 1 -----performs 3 ground up extended needles and double fulls out of them, immediately reloads and 360 ups to extended libs, but drops out of one lib

Squad 2 ------performs 3 ground up extensions and single fulls out of them then reloads back to 1/2 kewpies and doesn't drop anything........the correct judging would be as follows:

Squad 1 should receive a higher difficulty score, but drop a few tenths of a point in execution for the drop

Squad 2 should receive a lower difficulty score, but receive a good score for executing them well.

The same is done for tumbling, jumps, etc. In the KAPOS rule book, each and every jump/stunt/tumbling/pyramid is rated from least difficult to most difficult. A squad of 20 girls who performs 20 standing tucks would be rated higher than a squad of 20 girls who performs 20 standing back handsprings, etc. If 1 girls falls out of 20, I will only deduct .1 on tumbling, an entire point is a lot, but that is just me.


Sorry i meant to put exectution instead of difficulty. My mistake.

i only give solid numbers. the .00, .1, .2, only make the determinations between squads even worse. when you do that, you get squads winning by only tenths of a point. I dont really take into consideration how KAPOS judging works. i have been the the certification to get more training in judging, but i have only judged one KAPOS competition and that was as an intern. I judge UCA/NCA competitions. At nationals in finals, if you have a girl put one hand down on the mat you have no hope of winning. They are going to take off points wherever they can.When you get into more experineced squads you have to be more harsh on smaller mistakes. taking off .1 for a stunt falling is how you end up with the results from the medium division today at region.

It is illegal to have a judge that could have any bias against anyone. They do not hire the people to come and judge unless they are from another region. The only exception is intern judges and their scores do not count. I definetly know that Lucy Moore would not let that fly.

[cheer_leader]

i have no idea where they were from no nobody on there had a mom that was a judge believe me no thats not true at all
gah why do you all make up so many excuses on why we beat you all like some consiracy with the judges and it not being fair wow we win all the time at places that have no one with any connection to us period or who dont even know who we are so yeah i think we are good and thats why we win

[cheer_leader]

Sorry i meant to put exectution instead of difficulty. My mistake.

i only give solid numbers. the .00, .1, .2, only make the determinations between squads even worse. when you do that, you get squads winning by only tenths of a point. I dont really take into consideration how KAPOS judging works. i have been the the certification to get more training in judging, but i have only judged one KAPOS competition and that was as an intern. I judge UCA/NCA competitions. At nationals in finals, if you have a girl put one hand down on the mat you have no hope of winning. They are going to take off points wherever they can.When you get into more experineced squads you have to be more harsh on smaller mistakes. taking off .1 for a stunt falling is how you end up with the results from the medium division today at region.

It is illegal to have a judge that could have any bias against anyone. They do not hire the people to come and judge unless they are from another region. The only exception is intern judges and their scores do not count. I definetly know that Lucy Moore would not let that fly.

yeah i completely agree
there you go to all the ppl who think that just becasue you dont win to 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th and 9th graders

[cat4life_#60]

i have no idea where they were from no nobody on there had a mom that was a judge believe me no thats not true at all
gah why do you all make up so many excuses on why we beat you all like some consiracy with the judges and it not being fair wow we win all the time at places that have no one with any connection to us period or who dont even know who we are so yeah i think we are good and thats why we win



Ok first of all I don't know anything about the judges or where they are from but going by Prestonsburg always getting cheated i had to assume that they were people affialiated with Pikeville some how beacuse they win all of the time even when other squads were better then them i'm not just referring to Prestonsburg but i'm sure there has been other squads besides Prestonsburg better then Pikeville but they always seem to win somehow that's kinda strange don't you think?
Whenever we had KAPOS at our own home floor we didn't pick the judges people of higher authority appointed them all that we done was apply the materials for the competition.

[cheer_leader]

Ok first of all I don't know anything about the judges or where they are from but going by Prestonsburg always getting cheated i had to assume that they were people affialiated with Pikeville some how beacuse they win all of the time even when other squads were better then them i'm not just referring to Prestonsburg but i'm sure there has been other squads besides Prestonsburg better then Pikeville but they always seem to win somehow that's kinda strange don't you think?
Whenever we had KAPOS at our own home floor we didn't pick the judges people of higher authority appointed them all that we done was apply the materials for the competition.

i dont think its strange pikeville wins all the time its called being the best and winning and theres not been anyone better than pikeville ever to my knowledge so if there was i need to know about this
how does pburg always get cheated? how
and no no one is affiliated with pville along the judging staff stop making excuses just because they win what if you won something and all ppl did was say you shouldnt have?
yeah EXACTLY people of higher authority pikced them so how could pville ppl just judge and let them win you completed made my point

[Pirate Pal]

Sorry i meant to put exectution instead of difficulty. My mistake.

i only give solid numbers. the .00, .1, .2, only make the determinations between squads even worse. when you do that, you get squads winning by only tenths of a point. I dont really take into consideration how KAPOS judging works. i have been the the certification to get more training in judging, but i have only judged one KAPOS competition and that was as an intern. I judge UCA/NCA competitions. At nationals in finals, if you have a girl put one hand down on the mat you have no hope of winning. They are going to take off points wherever they can.When you get into more experineced squads you have to be more harsh on smaller mistakes. taking off .1 for a stunt falling is how you end up with the results from the medium division today at region.

It is illegal to have a judge that could have any bias against anyone. They do not hire the people to come and judge unless they are from another region. The only exception is intern judges and their scores do not count. I definetly know that Lucy Moore would not let that fly.

I assumed you meant execution and that it was probably just a typo.:Thumbs:

[cat4life_#60]

Well there Cheer_Leader of course people would say **** if Prestonsburg won becaues NOBODY in this district or Region for that matter likes Prestonsburg everybody is gunning for Prestonsburg and i don't give and crap what you say everyone knows its true so yeah if they did win which they should have then yeah people who start stuff.

Assuming you are in high school still i think someone in high school with any common sense at all would know that no high school likes p-burg and that everytime they play against them at any sport they will do anything to win even "cheat" and every one knows that. and have probably done it!

[cheer_leader]

Well there Cheer_Leader of course people would say **** if Prestonsburg won becaues NOBODY in this district or Region for that matter likes Prestonsburg everybody is gunning for Prestonsburg and i don't give and crap what you say everyone knows its true so yeah if they did win which they should have then yeah people who start stuff.

Assuming you are in high school still i think someone in high school with any common sense at all would know that no high school likes p-burg and that everytime they play against them at any sport they will do anything to win even "cheat" and every one knows that. and have probably done it!

:) okay thats just feeling sorry for yourself because you dont win! doesnt matter who you are if you were good at cheerleading like you claim you are you could shut people up but when you werent really good and you say the only reason you didnt win was because pikeville cheated lmao people are gonna say something to that garbage

i have common sense trust me probably more than you actually
okay this is a cheerleading thread not every other sports thread thats not m problem, and in cheerleading your just mad because jr high/freshman cheerleaders from pikeville always beat yall so you make excuses that they cheat lmao

[cheercontrolled]

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I agree with u 100%. For example, did u see KAPOS State At Large last year in the medium category?? Hazard hit a PERFECT routine they had 4 groups, & lots of difficulty, Pikeville dropped with 3 groups, and then PLD's jv was nothing compared to Pikeville or Hazard!! Then it went 1st - PLD 2nd - Pikeville 3rd - HAzard. it was their names that got them that far. That is probably the worst judging i have ever seen. I was in total shock! And this year at UCA NAtionals in the small category! Pikeville not beating PCC?? Pikeville is awesome and by far better than PCC. I mean PCC did shoulder sits as their cheer mount!! Ur name def. gets u farther!! U must build ur name up b4 u get credit for ur greatness
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now if enyone needs to be talkin bout winnin because of their names it def. shouldnt be hazard tlkin bout us .. i mean its bad enouf that they have ta try to cheat us in basketball but cheerleadin too i mean c'mon .... its okay that u dropped a prep in the back of the routine .. and didnt make it to finals im so srry bout that ... and pcc deserves evry thang they have one.. and as i recall at nationals a gurl from pikeville had a lil bit of blue mat in her teeth after her big attempt to full full huh ?? evry tumblin pass pcc did they hit it WITHOUT A PROBLEM... and they were without a doubt the cleanest and stiffest team there!!!! and the greatness has ben runnin in our name since the school opened!:omg: :worthy:
Well all I have to say about this comment is that its obvious that you attend Perry Central, simply because you don't have any class at all, I think that anyone will agree that PCC shows the worst sportsmanship in any activity they attend, I don't know what they are being taught at that school but high school should teach you how to be young adults with class, not ignorant people that always have something bad to say about everyone. Honey I truly feel sorry for you in the future cause with an attitude like that you wont make it very far.

[PvilleCheerAlum]

Ok first of all I don't know anything about the judges or where they are from but going by Prestonsburg always getting cheated i had to assume that they were people affialiated with Pikeville some how beacuse they win all of the time even when other squads were better then them i'm not just referring to Prestonsburg but i'm sure there has been other squads besides Prestonsburg better then Pikeville but they always seem to win somehow that's kinda strange don't you think?
Whenever we had KAPOS at our own home floor we didn't pick the judges people of higher authority appointed them all that we done was apply the materials for the competition.

1. One of the girls on pikeville has a relative that cheers for prestonsburg middle school. why would she want them to lose??

2. Prestonsburg wasnt even against pikeville. Why would we pick judges that were going to cheat them out of something we werent even after? WE DONT EVEN PICK THE JUDGES!!

By the way obviously half of you all do not know who Lucy Moore is. She is the KAPOS president. Also the choosing of judges is made by the sectional vice president who is appointed by the KAPOS board.

PIKEVILLE was upset by prestonsburg lose and i dont want to see anyone else on here blaming them.

[PvilleCheerAlum]

And another thing.

we win every year because we have excelent coaches who have alot of years experience who motivate us to be better every year. Mrs. wheelers junior high competes on the High school level by choice! and she wins. She could compete in lowel level junior high competitions but she doesnt because she wants her girls to strive for more.
Pikevilles varsity gets these girls. girls that are already motivated to win. Mrs. stone pushes these girls to be even better. The first or second year that mrs. stone was the coach, she won KAPOS state. She stives for excellence every year and doesnt accept anything less.

And that my friends, is how pikeville wins every year.

[cheer_leader]

And another thing.

we win every year because we have excelent coaches who have alot of years experience who motivate us to be better every year. Mrs. wheelers junior high competes on the High school level by choice! and she wins. She could compete in lowel level junior high competitions but she doesnt because she wants her girls to strive for more.
Pikevilles varsity gets these girls. girls that are already motivated to win. Mrs. stone pushes these girls to be even better. The first or second year that mrs. stone was the coach, she won KAPOS state. She stives for excellence every year and doesnt accept anything less.

And that my friends, is how pikeville wins every year.


right on :rock:

[catsfan072]

I personally know some of the girls on Pikevilles squad and I talked to them at Kapos. If Prestonsburg went small there is no way they would have even had a chance against Pikeville, and that is something when it comes from someone from Pburg. Pikeville is awesome, as they always will be- Plain and simple!

But I do however, do not think it was right that Pburg was beat by Johnson Central.. they had stunts and tumbling all fall. Which would look better at state, a routine jam-packed that is not going to hit, and fall, or a clean routine that has everything hit?

[UK Wildcats]

I totally agree Pikeville is really good and if they don't meat the coaches expectations then they don’t get to cheer! IMO I think that this makes the girls of pikeville want to be better and do better! From what that I heard people say if you are suppose to do something in the routine and you don’t do it then you get sit out this makes the girls work for their spot on the squad! This also makes the junior high girls work harder so that they can be on Varsity!!!

[PvilleCheerAlum]

Thank you. Everyone is upset that prestonsburg feels like they got cheated. Maybe they did. I dont know if they did personally. I just hate that people who didnt win are blaming Pikeville for their loss. The only people who even have a reason to hate pikeville for their loss is Shelby valley and that is because they were in our division.

[UK Wildcats]

Thank you. Everyone is upset that prestonsburg feels like they got cheated. Maybe they did. I dont know if they did personally. I just hate that people who didnt win are blaming Pikeville for their loss. The only people who even have a reason to hate pikeville for their loss is Shelby valley and that is because they were in our division.

I dont personally know why that Prestonsburg is balmming you all for their loss. I think that Prestonsburg should have won yesturday, but there is nothing that can be done now. Did everyone see the thread about this situation???

[cheercontrolled]

your just jealous because you cant do full to full
pcc fell in every thing prelims,semis,and finals am i right? or did u not fall in atleats one of those i didnt get the story right
im just saying pville was better than you big time everyone knows it
and hazard was great i dont think anyone on ur squad can do a standing full!
so i mean it doesnt matter what tumbling pcc hit there stunts were so easy of course it was clean because it had no difficulties and i think its better to do the hard stuff and get a decent score then do easy stuff and get ur name up there
I completely agree!!! Any squad can hit a routine clean like Perry Central's it is elementry! There is absolutly no difficulty!

[cheer_leader]

I completely agree!!! Any squad can hit a routine clean like Perry Central's it is elementry! There is absolutly no difficulty!


thank you

[cheercutie45]

your just jealous because you cant do full to full
pcc fell in every thing prelims,semis,and finals am i right? or did u not fall in atleats one of those i didnt get the story right
im just saying pville was better than you big time everyone knows it
and hazard was great i dont think anyone on ur squad can do a standing full!
so i mean it doesnt matter what tumbling pcc hit there stunts were so easy of course it was clean because it had no difficulties and i think its better to do the hard stuff and get a decent score then do easy stuff and get ur name up there


ohh we're juss jealous we cant do full full and hit our face... yeh im sure .. enyways we didnt fall in semi-finals... we hit it perfect ... and pikeville's big full full only hit once... and that was in semi finals so i dont wanna hear that either! and as for hazards big standin full ... well she did toe-touch full and hit her face...yeh thats greatness huh ?? and i think eny cheerleader with sense would say they would rather do sumin thats easy ta hit then something that has the ability to fall when it comes time to compete i mean c'mon... and we had lots of difficulty....and we beat pikeville.. so juss get over it i mean really:Cheerlead

[cheer_leader]

ohh we're juss jealous we cant do full full and hit our face... yeh im sure .. enyways we didnt fall in semi-finals... we hit it perfect ... and pikeville's big full full only hit once... and that was in semi finals so i dont wanna hear that either! and as for hazards big standin full ... well she did toe-touch full and hit her face...yeh thats greatness huh ?? and i think eny cheerleader with sense would say they would rather do sumin thats easy ta hit then something that has the ability to fall when it comes time to compete i mean c'mon... and we had lots of difficulty....and we beat pikeville.. so juss get over it i mean really:Cheerlead
how old are you? and what can you do nothing great i assume obviously you have something against hazard and pikeville yeah it is greatness to not be a baby and scared to throw something awesome then sit back and throw something everyone else in the world to do dont critcize something that you have no experience to and just worry about yourself good for you that you beat them congrats big deal its over now and really really any cheerleader with sense would say lets not be a elem. squad and do some high school stuff!

[cheer_leader]

good job on the shoulder sits though that was really impressive

[cheercontrolled]

ohh we're juss jealous we cant do full full and hit our face... yeh im sure .. enyways we didnt fall in semi-finals... we hit it perfect ... and pikeville's big full full only hit once... and that was in semi finals so i dont wanna hear that either! and as for hazards big standin full ... well she did toe-touch full and hit her face...yeh thats greatness huh ?? and i think eny cheerleader with sense would say they would rather do sumin thats easy ta hit then something that has the ability to fall when it comes time to compete i mean c'mon... and we had lots of difficulty....and we beat pikeville.. so juss get over it i mean really:Cheerlead
I think you need to get over yourself! You all really aren't everything that you think you are.

[Pirate Pal]

THIS THREAD IS NOT ABOUT NATIONALS....GET IT BACK ON TRACK OR I WILL CLOSE AND START CLEANING HOUSE ON THE ONES WHO SEEM TO THROW EVERY THREAD OFF TRACK!!!!! :rules: :fight:

[KyCheerleading]

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I agree with u 100%. For example, did u see KAPOS State At Large last year in the medium category?? Hazard hit a PERFECT routine they had 4 groups, & lots of difficulty, Pikeville dropped with 3 groups, and then PLD's jv was nothing compared to Pikeville or Hazard!! Then it went 1st - PLD 2nd - Pikeville 3rd - HAzard. it was their names that got them that far. That is probably the worst judging i have ever seen. I was in total shock! And this year at UCA NAtionals in the small category! Pikeville not beating PCC?? Pikeville is awesome and by far better than PCC. I mean PCC did shoulder sits as their cheer mount!! Ur name def. gets u farther!! U must build ur name up b4 u get credit for ur greatness

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now if enyone needs to be talkin bout winnin because of their names it def. shouldnt be hazard tlkin bout us .. i mean its bad enouf that they have ta try to cheat us in basketball but cheerleadin too i mean c'mon .... its okay that u dropped a prep in the back of the routine .. and didnt make it to finals im so srry bout that ... and pcc deserves evry thang they have one.. and as i recall at nationals a gurl from pikeville had a lil bit of blue mat in her teeth after her big attempt to full full huh ?? evry tumblin pass pcc did they hit it WITHOUT A PROBLEM... and they were without a doubt the cleanest and stiffest team there!!!! and the greatness has ben runnin in our name since the school opened!:omg: :worthy:

Okk, u need to get ur stuff striaght. If i remember correctly, pcc dropped 2 out of 3 stunt groups in prelims because their transition was too hard to hit, so they come back to semi's with a whole new free stand. May I recall, a simply jump in lib turn to a skater? Difficulty my butt!! & If u knew anything about cheerleading, Hazard didn't drop a prep, they droped a single base full because the hold was not correct. I don't see any single base in PCC's routine? They had 5 groups with single base, i dont think ur 3 lil jump in libs will beat that. O, and hazard cheats in basketball, if they cheat in basketball then y does PCC always win?? Yeahh they cheat so the other team can win. Go up against Hazard in KAPOS, Hazard has more difficulty and execution, and u r dissing someone who fell on their full full?? I would like to see ur lil Amber Donaldson & Andi Deaton attempt a full full, I'm sure they would get alot more than a PIECE of blue mat in their teeth! lmao

[luvcheer]

This is to cheercutie45- What exactly is your tumbling capablity? I was just curious since you can disrespect girls who throw things like full/full and standing full. And even though they may not have hit them in some competitions, do you have any concept of the difficulty and discipline it takes to even acquire these types of skills? I can answer that for you. The answer is no, you have no concept or you wouldn't even venture to say those types of things.

[luvcheer]

There is no point in squabbling over KAPOS district and region. It's over, and if a squad didn't make it, for whatever reason, look at yourselves. It's always easy to blame the judges or someone else. But it had to be something within your squad. What you need to do(and I'm not talking to anyone in particular) is improve yourself and then next time, take the judges or whoever out of it. Be so perfect that no one can take it away. Tumbling is not the only thing that will win it for you, as well as stunts aren't either. Look at the squads who have been successful, not only from around here, coaches, go watch some good squads, do your homework, go see Greenup, Paul Lawrence Dunbar and even some squads in Louisville that compete NCA. I think alot of the problem here is we are so secluded as to what's going on in cheerleading we think we're doing great, until we see the squads at state or even Nationals. The point is don't cry over spilt milk, use it to make yourself better.

[Pirate Pal]

This is the last time I am telling all of you...get it on track or I will start suspending some of you and close this thread!

If you want to talk about nationals and who did better...start a new thread!

[!_PCHS_CHEER_!]

-ALL the squads did an awesome job. But there were only TWO squads who didn't drop a stunt. As you already mentioned, Prestonsburg was one. But everyone is forgetting the other. PIKE CENTRAL!
:Shaking:
-The reputation of a squad does have an affect on the judging. Not every judge is fair. Pikeville is and awesome team, but so are the others. Yeah, the 15th region isn't always judged fair. :(
:Angry07:
-But if you work your butt off then you might just be able to persuade an unfair judge that, 'Hey! This squad deserves to win!' But sadly it doesn't always work. All you can do about it is to get out there and give it your all. Good Luck! :bounce:

[PC Cheer Chick]

-ALL the squads did an awesome job. But there were only TWO squads who didn't drop a stunt. As you already mentioned, Prestonsburg was one. But everyone is forgetting the other. PIKE CENTRAL!
:Shaking:
-The reputation of a squad does have an affect on the judging. Not every judge is fair. Pikeville is and awesome team, but so are the others. Yeah, the 15th region isn't always judged fair. :(
:Angry07:
-But if you work your butt off then you might just be able to persuade an unfair judge that, 'Hey! This squad deserves to win!' But sadly it doesn't always work. All you can do about it is to get out there and give it your all. Good Luck! :bounce: I will agree with u on this one-- 2 bad sometimes it doenst matter how good u are! Hint hint ;) :beg:

[pikevillecheer]

No they aren't scared of them being beat in a fair judgement but since they've never lost and alot of the judges are from pikeville umm..that seems a little stragne to me almost enough to think maybe they cheat people out of it every year which they probably do.:nope:
Hold on there. before you say ANYTHING about the judges THEY ARE NOT FROM PIKEVILLE they are from every where so get your facts right. and NO we dont cheat were just the BEST so get over it.:king: :****happe

[luvcheer]

I think Pike Central did a great job. I have always thought they had alot of talent. The main problem is fundamentals, I think they need to bring somebody in that actually knows how to teach all girl stunts and maybe a professional choreographer. You may think it's really expensive but not any more expensive than camp which accomplishes absolutely nothing. The problem I have seen with PCHS is the actual material, transitions, music, dance, etc. You guys have alot of talent but you have to start earlier with fundamentals and maybe some people who know what they are doing.

[PC Cheer Chick]

I think Pike Central did a great job. I have always thought they had alot of talent. The main problem is fundamentals, I think they need to bring somebody in that actually knows how to teach all girl stunts and maybe a professional choreographer. You may think it's really expensive but not any more expensive than camp which accomplishes absolutely nothing. The problem I have seen with PCHS is the actual material, transitions, music, dance, etc. You guys have alot of talent but you have to start earlier with fundamentals and maybe some people who know what they are doing.


We do know what we are doing, KY Elite does our music every year, and as far as gymnastics everybody in the region saw who's was the best Pike Central and both Pikeville squads, do to the great coaching of Matt Roberts!!! And we would never have to get a UCA instructor to teach our crap!!!!!!!!!!!:wtf1:

[cheer_leader]

i agree pc cheer chick

[PC Cheer Chick]

i agree pc cheer chick

Thank you! :Cheerlead

[pikevillecheer]

We may have a uca coreographer, but he has came to help pikevile for like ever and even before he worked for UCA..... his stuff is not crap.. i mean really how many national titles have u won without the work from a uca coreographer.. and oh yeah pc cheer chich one of the coaches who works for UCA now is one who does YOUR music.. and another thing pc cheer chick one of the girls who cheers for PCC came from an allstar squad who is one of the UCA coreographers.... and guess what HE HLPS US!!!!!!!! :Angry07: :****happe

[Pirate Pal]

As usual, this thread has gotten completely off topic.

Another one bites the dust thanks to members who can't follow the rules!