57th "Draw"

[IISnakE]

Okay folks...
Paintsville drew Magoffin
SCHS -vs- LCHS with winner playing JCHS and that winner playing PHS or MCHS in the final. Any thoughts... oh yeah, they voted on the format for next year and again... "drawing" will be the method of determination.:rolleyes: But I guess one has to :Clap: some schools dogged determination to continue such a process.

[Ridge Runner]

MAN! Looks like a tough bracket for SCHS, LCHS & JCHS. PHS still has to play MCHS though, You never know. BUT, No matter what the 57th will be well represented. Good Luck to all and hope to see ya there! When and what time do the games start?

[IISnakE]

Well, I don't know times... I thought I was doing well to post the "draw"!

[Ridge Runner]

You did Great! Appreciate the info! BUT, Next time find out everything! LOL!!!
Thanks!

[IISnakE]

Monday, May 22nd 6pm @ Inez LCHS takes on SCHS
Tuesday, May 23rd 5:30pm PHS takes on MCHS, followed by JCHS and Monday's winner
Finals, Thursday @ 6pm.

[Ridge Runner]

:Thumbs: :kneel: :worthy: :notworthy

You got it going on!!

[corndog23]

Worst possible scenario for my cards. i hope we can make it to the finals...it will be a tough go.

[Eagle Pride 90`]

SC and LC got what they deserved I hope they draw each other every year.

[Eagle Eye]

SC and LC got what they deserved I hope they draw each other every year.

And hopefully it will be the 4 and 5 game so they will have to play an extra game every year.:rockon:

[bigcountry]

Worst possible scenario for my cards. i hope we can make it to the finals...it will be a tough go.Just shows how much confidence your coach has in his players. If I were the players of Sheldon Clark High School I would be ashamed and embarrassed. Your coach is the very reason that why you got the draw you got. Shame on Randy Keeton for having a yellow streak as well.

[Batpuff]

Well it sounds like someone other than Sheldon Clark or Lawrence Co is the ones that are a little scared to face LC or SC, but if I here you call a coach again by name and then call him yellow or what ever else you will be doing from the outside and then we will see who is yellow.

[bigcountry]

Well it sounds like someone other than Sheldon Clark or Lawrence Co is the ones that are a little scared to face LC or SC, but if I here you call a coach again by name and then call him yellow or what ever else you will be doing from the outside and then we will see who is yellow. What else would you call it Batpuff?

I bet if the comment was made about someone other than a coach that was at Lawrence Co. , you would not have even responded , would you? There is an obvious bias in the tone of your post. I thought this was a forum where honest opinions could be expressed, without fear of being scrutinized by someone who just doesn't want their own criticized. Come on now he is wrong and you know he is wrong. Please dont use your position to censor a statement that was in this instance very true and justifiable just because he is the coach of the school that you root for. That's just not right.

The only thing that everybody wants is for Hall and Keeton is to do the right thing and to seed based on regular season performance. I think that you see that those wishes is overwhelming by just about every poster.

[Batpuff]

What else would you call it Batpuff?

I bet if the comment was made about someone other than a coach that was at Lawrence Co. , you would not have even responded , would you? There is an obvious bias in the tone of your post. I thought this was a forum where honest opinions could be expressed, without fear of being scrutinized by someone who just doesn't want their own criticized. Come on now he is wrong and you know he is wrong. Please dont use your position to censor a statement that was in this instance very true and justifiable just because he is the coach of the school that you root for. That's just not right.

The only thing that everybody wants is for Hall and Keeton is to do the right thing and to seed based on regular season performance. I think that you see that those wishes is overwhelming by just about every poster.

To be honest I could careless if it was seeded or by Draw. And yes you can say what you want but when you start calling players and coaches out by name and then call them names it stops there, that is for everyone not jus the LC coaches as you're trying to say. And I think that I have gotten on to everyone that has done that in here and even gotten rid of a few who didnt know how to follow the rules.


And to be honest you are the only one that has said that it should have changed I havent seen anyone else say anything, sounds like they are scared of SC and LC. But wouldnt you have it that the two best teams in the district drew each other. So why is every complaining as you say.

[FOX SPORTS]

[QUOTE=Batpuff] And I think that I have gotten on to everyone that has done that in here and even gotten rid of a few who didnt know how to follow the rules.

QUOTE]
Is it againt the rules to say a coach i scared to seed???

[2000PHS]

I am with you Bigcountry. Seeding for the district should be mandated by the KHSAA, but since its not, you have to look at the coaches. For years now, MC and SC have been the 2 to vote against seeding, and now it appears LC is going to follow suit. You would think that after having to play Boyd Co. a few years in the first round of the district, LC would be begging to seed, but they aren't.

[bigcountry]

To be honest I could careless if it was seeded or by Draw. And yes you can say what you want but when you start calling players and coaches out by name and then call them names it stops there, that is for everyone not jus the LC coaches as you're trying to say. And I think that I have gotten on to everyone that has done that in here and even gotten rid of a few who didnt know how to follow the rules.


And to be honest you are the only one that has said that it should have changed I havent seen anyone else say anything, sounds like they are scared of SC and LC. But wouldnt you have it that the two best teams in the district drew each other. So why is every complaining as you say.Batpuff you are way to close to this discussion to make anything other than an unbiased comment. Your statement saying that you could care less whether they seed or draw says volumes about your own apathy towards seeing that your very own school and it's players receive the best possible opportunity to represent their school at Applebees. You must not have read the two previous posts before my original post to see other examples of what I stated. Those who work hard their whole lives and value fairness CARE. You should be just as ashamed to get on here and make those comments just as Coach Keeton should be ashamed in striking his vote to draw. You can praise Randy Keeton for many things but this one issue should be an embarrassment to all associated with the Lawrence County School system and if I were a fan, parent , or player at Lawrence Co. I would be outraged. For two staight years Lawrence Co. has had one of the top two teams in the 16th region, and have had to play the other top two team in the opening round of the 64th district. Both times Lawrence fell and had to spend the rest of the season at home listening to the radio. Kids like Michael Compton and Steve Blevins who have worked their tails off their whole lives should not have had that done to them. This same scenerio has happened way to many times in the 57th district over the years. All it does is make a mockery out of the procedure of busting your tail in practice every day and trying to put the best possible team on the field come game day. It is disgusting to me to have to see coaches just gamble on getting that lucky draw, than actually having to work for something to recieve the benefits. Purely disgusting and a very poor example being set forth for the kids IMO. That to me says volumes about the internal makeup of some of these coaches.

I assure you that nobody that chooses to vote to play based on their merits are afraid to face anybody. It's just a shame that you have acts of cowardice that negate a kids hard work. Do you understand now where I am coming from?

[Batpuff]

[QUOTE=Batpuff] And I think that I have gotten on to everyone that has done that in here and even gotten rid of a few who didnt know how to follow the rules.

QUOTE]
Is it againt the rules to say a coach i scared to seed???

Well i'm not saying that but i am saying not to call a coach out by name and then call him a name. And its just like I stated above, it doesnt matter which coach it was its not correct to call anyone names on here and to call them out just as if it were a player its not correct.

[bigcountry]

[QUOTE=fox sports]

Well i'm not saying that but i am saying not to call a coach out by name and then call him a name. And its just like I stated above, it doesnt matter which coach it was its not correct to call anyone names on here and to call them out just as if it were a player its not correct. The word I said was used to descibe an action that was taken by someone else. Mentioning the name of the person has no relevance to award your criticism of my post. It was a fair an honest appraisal of the action that he chose to do. I think everybody else on here can clearly see the intended usage of the wording. Again I plead, that if it had been a coach of another school, you would have never said a word, IMO.

[Batpuff]

Batpuff you are way to close to this discussion to make anything other than an unbiased comment. Your statement saying that you could care less whether they seed or draw says volumes about your own apathy towards seeing that your very own school and it's players receive the best possible opportunity to represent their school at Applebees. You must not have read the two previous posts before my original post to see other examples of what I stated. Those who work hard their whole lives and value fairness CARE. You should be just as ashamed to get on here and make those comments just as Coach Keeton should be ashamed in striking his vote to draw. You can praise Randy Keeton for many things but this one issue should be an embarrassment to all associated with the Lawrence County School system and if I were a fan, parent , or player at Lawrence Co. I would be outraged. For two staight years Lawrence Co. has had one of the top two teams in the 16th region, and have had to play the other top two team in the opening round of the 64th district. Both times Lawrence fell and had to spend the rest of the season at home listening to the radio. Kids like Michael Compton and Steve Blevins who have worked their tails off their whole lives should not have had that done to them. This same scenerio has happened way to many times in the 57th district over the years. All it does is make a mockery out of the procedure of busting your tail in practice every day and trying to put the best possible team on the field come game day. It is disgusting to me to have to see coaches just gamble on getting that lucky draw, than actually having to work for something to recieve the benefits. Purely disgusting and a very poor example being set forth for the kids IMO. That to me says volumes about the internal makeup of some of these coaches.

I assure you that nobody that chooses to vote to play based on their merits are afraid to face anybody. It's just a shame that you have acts of cowardice that negate a kids hard work. Do you understand now where I am coming from?

And no i am not close to the situation, And I could care less either way on seed or draw, its just like you said when we were playing in the 16th we had to play either Ashland or Boyd Co. every year. If coach Keeton didnt have all the confidence in the world that his team could play with who ever then I he probably wouldnt have taken the chance on a blind draw. But you can argue this point all day long and there are several views on this issuse that has been pounded in the ground for years by several including the player and Coaches. And yes its ashame to see kids like the two you mentioned have to set at home and listen to the game on the radio. But we are not the coaches and they make the choices. I agree the KHSAA has to do something, either all districts have to be seeded or they all have to be draw. They should'nt be any other way, to see some districts seeded and others by draw i will never figure it out. All I was trying to get across was not to call a coach or player out by name and then call him a name. And No its not just Lawrence Co that I am about, its about all the players and coaches that I dont like to seen called out by name and then called a name. If I offened you in anyway I am sorry. But I stand by what I say when it comes to calling someone out by name just to call them a name.

[IISnakE]

BIG COUNTRY. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY "DEAD ON", CORRECT ON THIS MATTER! Thank you & well put in every post!

[bigcountry]

And no i am not close to the situation, And I could care less either way on seed or draw, its just like you said when we were playing in the 16th we had to play either Ashland or Boyd Co. every year. If coach Keeton didnt have all the confidence in the world that his team could play with who ever then I he probably wouldnt have taken the chance on a blind draw. But you can argue this point all day long and there are several views on this issuse that has been pounded in the ground for years by several including the player and Coaches. And yes its ashame to see kids like the two you mentioned have to set at home and listen to the game on the radio. But we are not the coaches and they make the choices. I agree the KHSAA has to do something, either all districts have to be seeded or they all have to be draw. They should'nt be any other way, to see some districts seeded and others by draw i will never figure it out. All I was trying to get across was not to call a coach or player out by name and then call him a name. And No its not just Lawrence Co that I am about, its about all the players and coaches that I dont like to seen called out by name and then called a name. If I offened you in anyway I am sorry. But I stand by what I say when it comes to calling someone out by name just to call them a name.I did not call any body out and call them a name. I said that the action showed a streak of yellow, and by that I stand also. He is the coach and was the one that made his decision to do what he did. Who was I supposed to say made the decision? The janitor or the bus driver? Or possibly make up a fictitious name? When you are the one to where the buck stops at , then that means that you are the one that is required to take the blunt of the criticism. That is just the consequence of claiming the title of head coach and decision maker for the program.

[bigcountry]

BIG COUNTRY. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY "DEAD ON", CORRECT ON THIS MATTER! Thank you & well put in every post!Thank you, but my posts represent nothing more than just the general concensus of anyone who values fairness and the reward for hard work.

[tweeter-13]

Thank you, but my posts represent nothing more than just the general concensus of anyone who values fairness and the reward for hard work.
:thumpsup: Point well taken. I also know that several people would agree with your statements in all aspects. I also know that names and comments have been mentioned in the past with no repercussions to the person making the comment.

[Trotline]

I'm not sure how anyone could be upset this year with how the draw went. The three teams that voted to draw got the worst of it BY FAR. As for drawing next year, you have to give those coaches the benefit of the doubt in that they were doing what they believe gives them the best opportunity to move on to the region. To me, that would be considered looking out for their teams' best interests.

[IISnakE]

Thank you, but my posts represent nothing more than just the general concensus of anyone who values fairness and the reward for hard work.

And that's exactly how I took it... and was in agreement with you. I also appreciated your last post in this thread.

I did not call any body out and call them a name. I said that the action showed a streak of yellow, and by that I stand also. He is the coach and was the one that made his decision to do what he did. Who was I supposed to say made the decision? The janitor or the bus driver? Or possibly make up a fictitious name? When you are the one to where the buck stops at , then that means that you are the one that is required to take the blunt of the criticism. That is just the consequence of claiming the title of head coach and decision maker for the program.

[rooster]

I'm not sure how anyone could be upset this year with how the draw went. The three teams that voted to draw got the worst of it BY FAR. As for drawing next year, you have to give those coaches the benefit of the doubt in that they were doing what they believe gives them the best opportunity to move on to the region. To me, that would be considered looking out for their teams' best interests.I agree with you that it's of my opinion that that is how the draw turned out as well this year, BUT,and I cant emphasis BUT enough that it is a shame that it has to be done in a blind draw. As far as Lawrence Co., they have everyone back next year, so to me it makes no sence to me at all to draw, absolutely zero. That's really looking out for their best interests trotline, they have not earned the right to have a benefit of a doubt directed their way. Wait and see some deserving team will have to sit out of the regional tournament again next year because of the coach at Lawrence Co. and at Martin Co. Some deserving kids will once again get the shaft. We'll not even bring Magoffin into this , because it's not even worth bringing them up. They want respect and cry about not getting it all the time,but they will do nothing at all to earn it, so I doubt that you will ever see any directed that way. It's all a disgrace in the manner the regional representatives process is determined in this district.

[The Guru]

Well......I am just tickled at the draw!!

[rooster]

Well......I am just tickled at the draw!!I guess you are.

[The Guru]

I guess you are.

:letsparty :lmao: :Clap:

[Batpuff]

I agree with you that it's of my opinion that that is how the draw turned out as well this year, BUT,and I cant emphasis BUT enough that it is a shame that it has to be done in a blind draw. As far as Lawrence Co., they have everyone back next year, so to me it makes no sence to me at all to draw, absolutely zero. That's really looking out for their best interests trotline, they have not earned the right to have a benefit of a doubt directed their way. Wait and see some deserving team will have to sit out of the regional tournament again next year because of the coach at Lawrence Co. and at Martin Co. Some deserving kids will once again get the shaft. We'll not even bring Magoffin into this , because it's not even worth bringing them up. They want respect and cry about not getting it all the time,but they will do nothing at all to earn it, so I doubt that you will ever see any directed that way. It's all a disgrace in the manner the regional representatives process is determined in this district.

There are always deserving kids sitting at home, Know matter how you have it, there are always going to be kids that shouldnt be home sitting there and say man that should have been us there instead.

[CatDawg]

Why in the world would anyone want a draw. I don't care how much confidence you have in your kids I want the best chance for them to make it to the next round. You have the confidence in regular season by playing as tough a schedule as possible you sure don't want to throw away an entire post season due to a draw that screws your team. Totally crazy in my book. Kids deserve a better chance than that.

As far as anyone from LC being embarrassed by something that a sport or coach does other than something against the law is crazy. LC has enough to be embarrassed about just from are test scores we don't need to worry about getting embarrassed over seedings. Besides we have another winter sport that is a real embarrassment.

[rooster]

:letsparty :lmao: :Clap:I would feel the same way.:)

[corndog23]

Let me just say that the coaches make the decision to draw because they fell like that is what is best for their team. Why else would they do it? Seriously, why would you vote for something that would not help your team?? it is in their best interests, so they do it. The folks from JC and Paintsville just cannot understand that. You can get on here and whine and complain all you want but nothing will change because of it. Coach Hall will not change his way of thinking because some dude named Snake thinks hes a yellow belly, which he is not by the way, not by a long shot. If you ask me, Pville should be overjoyed and they should keep their mouth shut about the draw this year. had we seeded, You would be in a WORLD of hurt...

[moofer]

Just because a coach chooses to seed doesn't mean he is scared. Maybe he just feels its the best chance for his team. No harm or shame in that. I doubt Hall and Keeton are scared of anyone. Who cares. I think Two teams form the same county just may be afraid ot play each other and are scared of maybe drawing each other.

[bigcountry]

Truely a bunch of garbage by a bunch that has only tried to get in the easy way. I really didn't expect anything more than just a bunch more of excuse making, and unsubstantiated defenses for your coach's cowardice. You guys just beg for someone to respect your program. This is just another example of why no one ever will. Charactor and integrity is what gains respect.

[The Guru]

Just because a coach chooses to seed doesn't mean he is scared. Maybe he just feels its the best chance for his team. No harm or shame in that. I doubt Hall and Keeton are scared of anyone. Who cares. I think Two teams form the same county just may be afraid ot play each other and are scared of maybe drawing each other.
It is as simple as this.....you seed, so that your district has the best chance of sending their two best representatives to the regional tourney.
If you as a coach vote for a draw, it is as simple as throwing the dice hoping for a good draw, rather than just saying, well...we didn't have the best season, so our seeding reflects our play.
If you feel that your best chance at getting into the region is drawing a weak team, then what does that say about coaching abilities?

[TheBlackHole]

Truely a bunch of garbage by a bunch that has only tried to get in the easy way. I really didn't expect anything more than just a bunch more of excuse making, and unsubstantiated defenses for your coach's cowardice. You guys just beg for someone to respect your program. This is just another example of why no one ever will. Charactor and integrity is what gains respect.

You should crawl back in your hole you TIGER

[bigcountry]

You should crawl back in your hole you TIGER !Example #2 of why no respect . Classic . Keep em comin.

[bigcountry]

Let me just say that the coaches make the decision to draw because they fell like that is what is best for their team. Why else would they do it? Seriously, why would you vote for something that would not help your team?? it is in their best interests, so they do it. The folks from JC and Paintsville just cannot understand that. You can get on here and whine and complain all you want but nothing will change because of it. Coach Hall will not change his way of thinking because some dude named Snake thinks hes a yellow belly, which he is not by the way, not by a long shot. If you ask me, Pville should be overjoyed and they should keep their mouth shut about the draw this year. had we seeded, You would be in a WORLD of hurt...When Sheldon Clark ever wins something you can come on here and criticize Paintsville or Johnson Central all you want. Until then...............................it's just the same old rhetoric you hear year after year after year after year from fans from the county east of Johnson.

If you guys would take a little pride in your facilities , just that would go a long way in getting a little respect. Is every pitcher in the district tournament going to have to pitch off the mound in a foot deep hole and is every batter going to have to bat in a batters box where their knees are level with home plate because your coach dont have enough pride to maintain his facilities. Come on guys, try having just the slightest bit of pride. Sheldon Clark doesn't even deserve the opportunity of hosting a district tournament. Pure laziness is all it is, but then that same laziness shows in trying to get into the regional tourament the easy way year after year.

[CatDawg]

OK lets all keep it on topic and clean or we will have to close this one down.

[The Blue Blur]

You should crawl back in your hole you TIGER!

Nice! Been good seeing you around, but I believe you may be done. BTW, I don't even think bigcountry is from where you're thinking. Tigers got a nice draw no doubt, and I'm highly pleased with it. I don't think Keaton or Mike Hall are scared of competition, just Pooh Hall and Tucker Howard isn't either. I think the difference is that there have been times both JC and Paintsville have went home before the 15th Region tournament due to a lost to each other when they were both the premier programs in the district. I think with the draw sometimes, the 15th isn't represented as well. With seeding it as fair as possible, and what you do during the season actually counts.

[CatDawg]

I agree totally BB

[IISnakE]

Let me just say that the coaches make the decision to draw because they fell like that is what is best for their team. Why else would they do it? Seriously, why would you vote for something that would not help your team?? it is in their best interests, so they do it. The folks from JC and Paintsville just cannot understand that. You can get on here and whine and complain all you want but nothing will change because of it. Coach Hall will not change his way of thinking because some dude named Snake thinks hes a yellow belly, which he is not by the way, not by a long shot. If you ask me, Pville should be overjoyed and they should keep their mouth shut about the draw this year. had we seeded, You would be in a WORLD of hurt...


Hey... I didn't call anyone "yellow". I agreed with BigCountry's post.... but I didn't "name call".
I do not agree with "drawing" for the District Tournament placements, but if a coach wants to gamble with his teams future,(and his school allows it & supports him), then who are we to worry about them?
I say it's a foul wind that doesn't blow someone good fortune! Go Big Blue!

[StrikeoutKing]

WOW! Lawrence, Sheldon Clark, and Johnson Central all in the same portion of the bracket, this should be an interesting tournament to say the least. Paintsville has strong pitching with Grimm, VanHoose, and Watkins, and I think they are the frontrunners to win. But with the overall talent of Johnson Central and Sheldon Clark, this is anyone's to win.

[twentythree]

When Sheldon Clark ever wins something you can come on here and criticize Paintsville or Johnson Central all you want. Until then...............................it's just the same old rhetoric you hear year after year after year after year from fans from the county east of Johnson.

If you guys would take a little pride in your facilities , just that would go a long way in getting a little respect. Is every pitcher in the district tournament going to have to pitch off the mound in a foot deep hole and is every batter going to have to bat in a batters box where their knees are level with home plate because your coach dont have enough pride to maintain his facilities. Come on guys, try having just the slightest bit of pride. Sheldon Clark doesn't even deserve the opportunity of hosting a district tournament. Pure laziness is all it is, but then that same laziness shows in trying to get into the regional tourament the easy way year after year.

Do you expect Mike Hall himself to take money from his already small salary to PAY to fill holes in the field? Honestly, I don't see how you could've thought out the post you just made. The county is responsible for Sheldon Clark's field and obviously THAT is where they're lacking so-called "pride". The school doesn't have its own field, that is the "city park" and belongs to Martin County itself. Sheldon Clark baseball just doesn't get the kind of funding needed to maintain a field to your liking... when in all reality the county should be stepping up and keeping regular maintenance.

[Sponge Bob]

Pure and simple, teams either vote to draw for one of two reasons.

1. They are a small school who is usually not competitive year in and year out. The draw is their one chance of making a regional tournament.

2. Seeding a district requires the teams to play each other X amount of times in a season. Coaches that vote to draw feel that it is too difficult to guarantee this. If district games are rained out, they HAVE to be made up. They don't want that hassle.

As much as I am for seeding every district, I do see some of the problems that can arise from district game makeups. However, I think it is an issue that can be taken care of and should be done.

[rooster]

Do you expect Mike Hall himself to take money from his already small salary to PAY to fill holes in the field? Honestly, I don't see how you could've thought out the post you just made. The county is responsible for Sheldon Clark's field and obviously THAT is where they're lacking so-called "pride". The school doesn't have its own field, that is the "city park" and belongs to Martin County itself. Sheldon Clark baseball just doesn't get the kind of funding needed to maintain a field to your liking... when in all reality the county should be stepping up and keeping regular maintenance.Most teams have their players rake and take care of their fields after each practice and games. I think that Sheldon Clark is very capable of suppling a couple of rakes to its baseball team so they could rake a little bit of dirt back into the holes created on the mound and in the batters boxes. It doesn't take a whole lot of effort. I think that Paintsville plays on a city field and their players take care of raking and so forth. Pikeville plays on a city field and so do they. That's all a pretty lame excuse IMO. It's just simple little routine stuff, you dont have to have a budget for .In the time it takes to say "it ain't my job" you can take care of a lot of little things yourself if you take enough pride in what you've got.

[NYY10]

Go JCHS

[Sports Fan]

I agree that seeding should be used for tournament play. Teams who have played well in their district should be rewarded. The teams that have had a bad game or two when it mattered, but are playing well at the end of the regular season will have a tougher road but teams with the better records shouldn't be penalized. If there is an instance where a team didn't get all games in then I can understand their frustration but in all fairness seeding is best. This is hard to admit because my fav team has benefited from the draw in the past but fair is fair. SCHS needs to approach the BOE about some help to fix their field for the district. It is sad, they have no bleachers, a bad field, and no boosters. Poor leadership in this community from the board of education to the elected officials causes some good kids to be embarrassed and if they had something to be proud of then they would take pride in taking care of it. Some of the team got together one day before season started to work on the dugouts themselves with their own money-couldn't do much but the effort is commendable. Maybe some parents will step up and get help from somewhere before tournament. Looking forward to some good games and good luck to all.

[Pacman]

Seeding should be installed as a state rule in my opinion. That makes the regular season conference games worth playing. LC, JC, Paintsville, SC never go at it with their best during the regular season trying to evade opponents until the "draw". Although the 58th is a weaker district overall, it stills calls for some great matchups during the regular season to try and win the #1 seed overall, and the best part is you see the best of the best going at it. Although Prestonsburg and Betsy Layne have had down years, they are still very competitive during the regular season battling against AC for the #1 seed. It also gives the conference champs a chance to earn more representatives on the all conference team.

The 57th District needs to seed. I know it is the coaches vote, and I hope they change their minds. But it would be so much better for the district and playing regular season games. It even adds strategy to scheduling. It just makes the regular season games worth something, and it shows who truly is the top team. The tournament doesn't necessarily show that in that the teams only have to play once -- and can have the game of their life.

LC could beat SC in the first round. I understand that both these coaches voted to not seed, so it will automatically send one of them home the first game. Both will have to use their aces, and then face a fresh Johnson Central team the following day. It could very well send both coaches home without a regional tournament appearance. It also gives Magoffin Co. -- most likely the bottom seed had they seeded -- a chance to play the game of their life and pull an upset and go into the region tournament. I hope these coaches will start seeding in the future. It sure makes things more worthwhile in my opinion.

[The Blue Blur]

Seeding should be installed as a state rule in my opinion. That makes the regular season conference games worth playing. LC, JC, Paintsville, SC never go at it with their best during the regular season trying to evade opponents until the "draw".

I'm not so sure they evade each other until the draw. They still are very competative towards each other during the season. Paintsville beat JC twice by a combined total of 6 runs, SC beat Paintsville twice by a combined total of 5 runs and JC beat SC twice by a combined total of 6 runs. Maybe I'm wrong but that sounds like they play hard against each other holding nothing back.

[Batpuff]

I have one Question when did they decide to drawn instead of seed. If it was before the season started then why is it just now being brought up. And if it was during the season I see why LC would want a draw they only had one game scheduled with the District teams, and felt like they wouod have a better chance than just going on play one district game each.

Everyone is going on about SCHS field about how they dont take care of it, that might be true but they are getting a new field so why put money into the old field. Also I am sure they will have it in decent shape for the District tourney.

P.S. We could just hold it at LC every year, I think they have the best facilities around for baseball.

[Sports Fan]

You might want to check out the new field info for Sheldon Clark. Last I heard it was a no go AGAIN. That field has been talked about for the last 5 years. Everyone had high hopes this time around. You would think the county would want it's parks and fields looking their best and it election year. The little league or Cal Ripkin league teams need a place to play as well as the high school baseball and softball teams.

[Sponge Bob]

I have one Question when did they decide to drawn instead of seed.

Last Year.

A vote is done every year right before the district draw/seeding is done. That means last year all members came together and voted to draw for this season. This year, they voted again. I don't know what they voted for this time.

[The Blue Blur]

Last Year.

A vote is done every year right before the district draw/seeding is done. That means last year all members came together and voted to draw for this season. This year, they voted again. I don't know what they voted for this time.

According to IISnake's first post in this thread they voted for the draw once again next year.

[corndog23]

The more whining i hear from the Johnson County folks, the more i believe Coach Hall votes this way just to **** you off.

[The Guru]

The more whining i hear from the Johnson County folks, the more i believe Coach Hall votes this way just to **** you off.
Even his own family???

[corndog23]

Even his own family...

[twentythree]

Most teams have their players rake and take care of their fields after each practice and games. I think that Sheldon Clark is very capable of suppling a couple of rakes to its baseball team so they could rake a little bit of dirt back into the holes created on the mound and in the batters boxes. It doesn't take a whole lot of effort. I think that Paintsville plays on a city field and their players take care of raking and so forth. Pikeville plays on a city field and so do they. That's all a pretty lame excuse IMO. It's just simple little routine stuff, you dont have to have a budget for .In the time it takes to say "it ain't my job" you can take care of a lot of little things yourself if you take enough pride in what you've got.

Have you been to Sheldon Clark's field? It obviously needs more than "raking".

[rooster]

Have you been to Sheldon Clark's field? It obviously needs more than "raking".Yes I've been there, and I have certainly seen a lot worse than at Sheldon Clark. Go to any field in Floyd County. Like I said a lot of little things like raking and tamping a little dirt back in the holes in the mound and raking a little dirt back in the holes at the plate does not require anything of a budget. It only takes just a few minutes of effort. It just takes a little pride by the players and whomever is running the show to do just little tiny minor things. I just think it's an easy excuse to blame stuff like that on someone else, when in my opinion that should be the players job to begin with. Go to any college field and most high school fields. It is the players that do the field maintenance work. I know you cant help the things like the sewer plant being next door, but you can at least make the field safe to play on for the players, ESPECIALLY FOR YOURSELVES. If you all just want to sit and wait for someone to do something for you, then chances are you never have anything.

[moofer]

You might want to check out the new field info for Sheldon Clark. Last I heard it was a no go AGAIN. That field has been talked about for the last 5 years. Everyone had high hopes this time around. You would think the county would want it's parks and fields looking their best and it election year. The little league or Cal Ripkin league teams need a place to play as well as the high school baseball and softball teams.
I haven't heard about it being a no go but I know they have been giving money for a new baseball field and a girls softball field from what i hear has to be done.

[jchsrulz]

Let me just say that the coaches make the decision to draw because they fell like that is what is best for their team. Why else would they do it? Seriously, why would you vote for something that would not help your team?? it is in their best interests, so they do it. The folks from JC and Paintsville just cannot understand that. You can get on here and whine and complain all you want but nothing will change because of it. Coach Hall will not change his way of thinking because some dude named Snake thinks hes a yellow belly, which he is not by the way, not by a long shot. If you ask me, Pville should be overjoyed and they should keep their mouth shut about the draw this year. had we seeded, You would be in a WORLD of hurt...

If we seeded, yes it would have been different, but we will never know. We didn't play LC this year, if we seeded we would have.

So since your beloved coach has elected to draw next year, I guess he is hoping to get as easy as a draw as possible because he must believe his players will not be good enough to play themselves into the best position in the tournament. That shows alot of confidence in your players!!:lmao:

I promise you, the teams from Johnson County (JC & PHS) would not complain if their play had them end up in the 4th or 5th seed. Yes we would be devestated, but we are big enough to accept it. All we're asking is for you to let the kids decide it during the regular season. Show pride in your program!! Your players deserve it!:Cheerlead

[corndog23]

If we seeded, yes it would have been different, but we will never know. We didn't play LC this year, if we seeded we would have.

So since your beloved coach has elected to draw next year, I guess he is hoping to get as easy as a draw as possible because he must believe his players will not be good enough to play themselves into the best position in the tournament. That shows alot of confidence in your players!!:lmao:

I promise you, the teams from Johnson County (JC & PHS) would not complain if their play had them end up in the 4th or 5th seed. Yes we would be devestated, but we are big enough to accept it. All we're asking is for you to let the kids decide it during the regular season. Show pride in your program!! Your players deserve it!:Cheerlead
You tryin to say SC has no pride in its program??? you gonna sit here and bad mouth us because you disagree with how we do things??? my friend that is just not smart... truly classless to degrade a team, school, city,and county because you disagree...but hey, what should i expect from a johnson countian...

[twentythree]

Yes I've been there, and I have certainly seen a lot worse than at Sheldon Clark. Go to any field in Floyd County. Like I said a lot of little things like raking and tamping a little dirt back in the holes in the mound and raking a little dirt back in the holes at the plate does not require anything of a budget. It only takes just a few minutes of effort. It just takes a little pride by the players and whomever is running the show to do just little tiny minor things. I just think it's an easy excuse to blame stuff like that on someone else, when in my opinion that should be the players job to begin with. Go to any college field and most high school fields. It is the players that do the field maintenance work. I know you cant help the things like the sewer plant being next door, but you can at least make the field safe to play on for the players, ESPECIALLY FOR YOURSELVES. If you all just want to sit and wait for someone to do something for you, then chances are you never have anything.

I don't understand how you can sit and question the pride that Sheldon Clark takes in their team. I disagree wholeheartedly about maintaining the field being the players responisibility. The players responsibility is to practice hard and play hard. Nowhere did they agree to maintain their baseball field that their home county obligated themselves for that job. I don't think its the player and coaches pride that is in question my friend, I think its the county's pride in their school and team.

[jchsrulz]

You tryin to say SC has no pride in its program??? you gonna sit here and bad mouth us because you disagree with how we do things??? my friend that is just not smart... truly classless to degrade a team, school, city,and county because you disagree...but hey, what should i expect from a johnson countian...

:igiveup: Whoah big guy, I didn't say that YOU didn't have pride in your program, your posts on here back that up. I mistyped the last sentence when I said typed you, when I meant the coach and the administration for voting to draw.

If they had voted to seed this year, they probably would have been better off. And next year they have already sent the message that "chances are they will finish 4th or 5th, so let's better our chances by drawing." I just don't agree with that, I feel SCHS has a great program that can hold their own year in year out. I think the coach and administration should let the kids earn their placement.

Once again I am sorry if you don't agree with me, but that is what makes this forum great, opinions are like :moon: , everyone has them! You fans are some of the best, but just like at every school, you have a few that ruin it for the rest. I can tell by most of your posts that there is some resentment towards Johnson County.

[CatDawg]

This thread has ran its course. Bye Bye.