Middle School Football

[BelfryBuck]

Should there be restictions state wide regarding Age, weight,hold backs. there is times where young men late 14 to some older than 15 playing against 12 to 13 yr. olds I think there some serious safety issues in the middle schools in ky. Any thoughts on this.

[Ridge Runner]

Should there be restictions state wide regarding Age, weight,hold backs. there is times where young men late 14 to some older than 15 playing against 12 to 13 yr. olds I think there some serious safety issues in the middle schools in ky. Any thoughts on this.

You can't penalize a kid for being BIG. So there is no way you can restrict a kid on his size. If you watched the Little League World Series on ESPN here in the last few days, you would have seen a kid on the Saudi Team that is 13 yrs old, 6' 8", 256 lbs and has a size 19 shoe. So would it be right to tell this CHILD (Because he still is) that he can't play Little League with his buddies because he is too big? NO! As far as age goes, if a kid turns 15 before their first day of 8th grade they are already in trouble. That means you will not be eligable to play your Senior year. So there are some restrictions in place already.

[wavefan]

cant turn 19 before August 1 or 31 to be elgible @ High School I think Ridge runner

[Pirates~R~Us]

You can't penalize a kid for being BIG. So there is no way you can restrict a kid on his size. If you watched the Little League World Series on ESPN here in the last few days, you would have seen a kid on the Saudi Team that is 13 yrs old, 6' 8", 256 lbs and has a size 19 shoe. So would it be right to tell this CHILD (Because he still is) that he can't play Little League with his buddies because he is too big? NO! As far as age goes, if a kid turns 15 before their first day of 8th grade they are already in trouble. That means you will not be eligable to play your Senior year. So there are some restrictions in place already.

Those kids playing Little League will not be hitting or tackleing any 120/150 lb kid who is the approperiate age for his grade. Mine plays ALL sports and there is a big difference in every sport. No you cant do anything about a kid who is the CORRECT AGE for his grade and cant punish him but weather many people want to admit it or not, THERE IS a problem with hold backs and in many peoples opinion if they cant pass, cant make good grades, NEED to be held back then they need to be studying instead of playing sports! I for one know how much time sports take and if your failing your classes then you need to spend more time learning not more time practicing/playing.

[JD If U Please]

No problem with holdbacks, if your kid is 5'5" and 100 lbs in 8th grade he needs to be held back, be happy about just being on the team, or not play sports, plain and simple.

I was 6' 160 in 8th grade and the 4th biggest person on the team, and was held back but was just 14 in 8th grade which is the correct age. You should be 14 in 8th grade, not 13, not turn 14 after you graduate 8th.

My best friend was 6'4" and 210 in 8th grade, and he was a month older than I was. Kids are different just su it up and play.

[Pirates~R~Us]

Thats not the problem...the problem is these HUGE kids who are soposed to be 9th and 10th graders and yes they are out there :rolleyes: Also the concern for people who care about the kids has nothing to do with winning or losing...its trying not to get the kids hurt playing against kids who should be HS fresh or JV. Notice the thread starter "safety issues" they're real.

[Beef]

I doubt if many are supposed to be in 10th grade. As mentioned before, if they are 15 at the start of the year it would make them inelgiable for their senior season due to age restriction. Doubt most people would rather play an extra season in Jr High and miss Senior Season. And for people that are supposed to be Freshman, most of the time, JR High teams are composed of 8th graders, so not too big of a difference. Most 7th graders play on their own team, and 6th graders shouldn't be playing with guys in 8th grade anyway.

[Pirates~R~Us]

You would think....but some do. I know some kids are just big, some are not, they all grow at different ages, but I've literally watched players over 6 ft (i know this because my husbands a good size man and 6'1" and they were as big and bigger), Good weight, BIG kids, Full facial hair, play a 7th grade team, throw their pads and helmet in their car and drive off. IVE seen it and I've talked, I know people from surroundings areas and they are out there..prob not a whole lot of them, but they are. I know how people can talk, but this is not a case of..."Look at how big he is, I bet he's soposed to be in the 10th grade. Its these kids who really should be that are the problem.

[Beef]

If you've seen some drive off, then something needs to be looked into.

[BelfryBuck]

then u have kids leave one county school in the 8th grade next yr in another co system in the same grade and some of the teams having 6 to 8 hold backs on a team, now is this just to win now or building for the future. Or is this team just trying to stay up with other team in their area.

[Beef]

Well...I know that Pikeville has had players do that in the past and it was to build for the future. ie. Robert Shurtleff, Jesse Parrish, and Brett Gibson. Worked out to with a Regional Championship their Senior Year.

[Pirates~R~Us]

If you've seen some drive off, then something needs to be looked into.

You're right! Its really does! These kids need to play ball and football is a major contact sport with safety issues of its own without adding to it with players who need to move on. Being held back due to maturity, grades, young age, size...thats one thing! But Some of these guys :yikes: LOL Its just not a good thing...

We LOVE football, my kids LOVE football!!! And we will play, watch and support!! You know I'm not knocking anything but...

[Pirates~R~Us]

then u have kids leave one county school in the 8th grade next yr in another co system in the same grade and some of the teams having 6 to 8 hold backs on a team, now is this just to win now or building for the future. Or is this team just trying to stay up with other team in their area.

Thats too many hold backs on one team! Especially if your going to play a true 7th or 8th grade team!

[Kayaker]

Every school has holdbacks so i dont think this is as much of a problem. The problem is the age. KHSAA says that if you turn 19 before Aug. 1st then you are ineligible from there on out in High School Athletics. I have seen many parents hold their child back to gain that extra year to grow and get better athletically. I see nothing wrong with it but it gets ridiculous when these kids are 15 and 16 and still playing middle school ball, thats when the line should be drawn.

[NYY10]

Virgie and Dorton will be down this year

[BelfryBuck]

Would the new rule in pike co. have any thing to do with it.????????, I say not letting the kids that should have been playing (right age ,grade)has hurt their program. Also seem's like the #'s at shelby valley are way down.

[NYY10]

Would the new rule in pike co. have any thing to do with it.????????, I say not letting the kids that should have been playing (right age ,grade)has hurt their program. Also seem's like the #'s at shelby valley are way down.

what do you mean. The numbers at shelby valley are way down??

[BelfryBuck]

Is 20-30 kids the norm at SV that about how many was on the field at the Pike Co. bowl. I'm just saying if they did, nt have so many hold back in their feeder system yr's past they might just have a few more out to play because if u set behind holdbacks in grade school and not get any playing time u lose interest . One (if not both) of SV feeder schools has had hold back for awhile has it helped or hurt the program at SV.

[NYY10]

I would say it helped more then it hurt us

[gotcha2]

then u have kids leave one county school in the 8th grade next yr in another co system in the same grade and some of the teams having 6 to 8 hold backs on a team, now is this just to win now or building for the future. Or is this team just trying to stay up with other team in their area.


So you are saying that a player completed 8th grade at school A and then went back through 8th grade at school B. If I understand you correctly, tht player should be losing a year of high school eligibility. Your 8 consecutive semesters begin when you are promoted from the 8th grade.

I think there are a few players in the state losing their Senior year of eligibility right now because of this. One example I read was a student completed 8th grade and mom and dad decided he wasn't really ready to go on to high school. He was enrolled at a small private school and went through 8th grade a second time. He is now sitting out his senior year. I think this was in Central Kentucky, perhaps Scott County.

[hootie]

I support holding back if everyone can do it. If they are going to stop people you need to stop all kids from doing across the state or in the nation. My kids will hold back, but not for sports reasons. It is always better for a student to graduate older.

[johnnyd]

better watch holding kids back. There is a new rule that if you hold back past the 6th grade it could affect their high school eligiblity

[ERwarrior]

I for one know that i was 5'8 175 in 8th, and my little brother is 6'1 185 and in 8th grade.... i had a full beard but im still 14 and a sophmore in high school. I was born on October 1st..right on the deadline, I think the holding back is a BIG problem in Eastern Kentucky, not to point any fingers, but over Valley's way. People like me should have been held back. Due to age, maturity and ACADEMIC reasons, not just for a sport. IMO, there should be STRICT reasons on why a student is held back. Age, Maturity, and academics.

[Pirates~R~Us]

Virgie and Dorton will be down this year

I wonder why :shh:

[UVA_Wise_Football]

Virgie and Dorton will be down this year


Yeah Virgie will cause i'm helpin coach...lol

[Pirates~R~Us]

Yeah Virgie will cause i'm helpin coach...lol

:)

[johnnyd]

belfry will win because Kevin Deskins is so sexy.

[Pirates~R~Us]

belfry will win because Kevin Deskins is so sexy.


:) Go get em Kevin :notworthy

[dblg11]

belfry will win because Kevin Deskins is so sexy.

Allthough I don't know Coach Deskins I do not think that they will win because of his looks. From what I remember it didn't make them win last season. Just a thought 2 ponder on.

[dblg11]

What was Belfry Middle School's record last season? If i recall they had some losses that they should have won.

[johnnyd]

His looks will carry the Belfry Pirates through.

[dblg11]

His looks will carry the Belfry Pirates through.

Are you sure about that?

:thatsfunn

[Mr. Right]

What was Belfry Middle School's record last season? If i recall they had some losses that they should have won.

Although their record wasn't very good, what games did they lose that they should have won?

The only one I can think of may be against Magoffin Co., but when you have four TDs called back you aren't going to win many football games.

I do agree that Coach Deskin's looks and the looks of the handsome gentleman that work with him has no effect on the outcome of a game.:)

[dblg11]

Although their record wasn't very good, what games did they lose that they should have won?

The only one I can think of may be against Magoffin Co., but when you have four TDs called back you aren't going to win many football games.

I do agree that Coach Deskin's looks and the looks of the handsome gentleman that work with him has no effect on the outcome of a game.:)

Yes i agree.:thatsfunn But with the talent of a school like Belfry Middle School should have they shouldn't lose a game. I remember way back when Turkey Creek dominated the area. They lost less games in a season than the Middle School did last season. Maybe instead of worrying about his looks Coach Deskins should worry about his not so great record. :thumpsup:

[johnnyd]

I dont know anything about the talent and this is not Deskins, but I just know that hes a good coach and a good looking man.

[Mr. Right]

Yes i agree.:thatsfunn But with the talent of a school like Belfry Middle School should have they shouldn't lose a game. I remember way back when Turkey Creek dominated the area. They lost less games in a season than the Middle School did last season. Maybe instead of worrying about his looks Coach Deskins should worry about his not so great record. :thumpsup:

I know Kevin fairly well and I think he is doing a good job teaching these kids football.

[Dream_Weaver]

I know Kevin fairly well and I think he is doing a good job teaching these kids football.

I agree 100% :thumpsup: .....

[hootie]

Deskins is a good guy, and works har with this program. Lets try and stay staaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaight in here!!! This is about football.

[Pirates~R~Us]

[/b]

I agree 100% :thumpsup: .....

Me too!

Kevin and the coaching staff at BMS does a great job with these kids:1:

[Pirates~R~Us]

Yes i agree.:thatsfunn But with the talent of a school like Belfry Middle School should have they shouldn't lose a game. I remember way back when Turkey Creek dominated the area. They lost less games in a season than the Middle School did last season. Maybe instead of worrying about his looks Coach Deskins should worry about his not so great record. :thumpsup:

Thats a whole different can of worms and its history. I'm not taking away from the kids in any way. They dominated, they were talented...period...but they were the only middle school around here. Three of the feeder schools made up TC middle so they had a lot of kids to choose from and they dominated the 3 remaining feeder schools who were still grade schools with kids who lived in their own area for the most part. Like I said, I'm not taking away from their talent but you cant compare what TC middle had to choose from and what the grade schools had to chose from.

[JD If U Please]

I don't think that people realize in football and basketball the Belfry area was very down after Keith May had left the TC football/basketball programs for 2 years. People just coached because their son was playing or because they just wanted a team, heck none of the schools but one really tried to get coaches.

This is just some of the battles he fought

1 - Most kids only practiced 2-3 times a week before last year
2 - You had parents and kids that did not adjust well to them being little fish in a VERY BIG POND
3 - The lack of discipline that some of these kids was AMAZING


Overall I feel everyone up their has done a very good job and you will see the improvments this year.

[37cougar]

well personally it rlly dont matter wat size u r if ur good my 8th grade year my team lineman averaged 180 and we played knott county whose line avraged 220 and we won

[Pirates~R~Us]

I don't think that people realize in football and basketball the Belfry area was very down after Keith May had left the TC football/basketball programs for 2 years. People just coached because their son was playing or because they just wanted a team, heck none of the schools but one really tried to get coaches.

This is just some of the battles he fought

1 - Most kids only practiced 2-3 times a week before last year
2 - You had parents and kids that did not adjust well to them being little fish in a VERY BIG POND
3 - The lack of discipline that some of these kids was AMAZING


Overall I feel everyone up their has done a very good job and you will see the improvments this year.

:Thumbs: I know my family is Very pleased with the coaching staff in the atheletic dept AND in the school itself!! My kids love the coaches!

[Pirates~R~Us]

well personally it rlly dont matter wat size u r if ur good my 8th grade year my team lineman averaged 180 and we played knott county whose line avraged 220 and we won

I agree that just because your big dont mean you'll win...

[37cougar]

thank u 4 agreeing

[Dream_Weaver]

:Thumbs: I know my family is Very pleased with the coaching staff in the atheletic dept AND in the school itself!! My kids love the coaches!

I agree.....the staff/coaches at BMS are the best.....:1:

[dblg11]

Thats a whole different can of worms and its history. I'm not taking away from the kids in any way. They dominated, they were talented...period...but they were the only middle school around here. Three of the feeder schools made up TC middle so they had a lot of kids to choose from and they dominated the 3 remaining feeder schools who were still grade schools with kids who lived in their own area for the most part. Like I said, I'm not taking away from their talent but you cant compare what TC middle had to choose from and what the grade schools had to chose from.

TC Middle not only dominated the Belfry area they dominated everywhere. All the schools that Belfry Middle are playing now TCMS has beaten in the past. Now you have 3 more schools in that program and can't beat those teams. That in my opinion is rediculous. I don't know coach Deskins personally but I have heard great things about him. He just needs 2 prove it on the field.

[Mr. Right]

TC Middle not only dominated the Belfry area they dominated everywhere. All the schools that Belfry Middle are playing now TCMS has beaten in the past. Now you have 3 more schools in that program and can't beat those teams. That in my opinion is rediculous. I don't know coach Deskins personally but I have heard great things about him. He just needs 2 prove it on the field.

Uh, you're wrong......They played Virge and Madison-Scott WV, that was the only tough games they had. They may have played Matewan, WV, too.

And this isn't a knock on BMS kids, but I haven't seen any kids on the BMS teams that could play with Paul & Doug Howard, Tyler Bostic, Gary Childers, Matt Marucm, etc. These kids were studs and Keith May was fortunate to have a team with such good ball players. Granted, he did what he was supposed to do with them, and that is win.

But it would have been pretty hard not to win with those guys on your team.

[dblg11]

Uh, you're wrong......They played Virge and Madison-Scott WV, that was the only tough games they had. They may have played Matewan, WV, too.

And this isn't a knock on BMS kids, but I haven't seen any kids on the BMS teams that could play with Paul & Doug Howard, Tyler Bostic, Gary Childers, Matt Marucm, etc. These kids were studs and Keith May was fortunate to have a team with such good ball players. Granted, he did what he was supposed to do with them, and that is win.

But it would have been pretty hard not to win with those guys on your team.

I agree on that. But TCMS also played Gilbert Middle, Pikeville, and Johnson County Middle. Which were most of the time wins. Also this was with 3 less schools!!

[BelfryBuck]

Sense holdbacks is what this thread is about were some of these dandy ball players holdbacks .I think so. AS for Keith M. I think he is a dandy coach and loves to coach, but when the talent at TC left he did also. (But there were some parent issues also,I,ve heard that he just wanted away from, lil johnny parents thinking their kid was better than he showed things of that line. AS for Kevin and crew giv'em time and time will tell. I think they are on track to do good things with BMS and the kids as a whole not just in football when u have 30 to 50 middle school kids show up , for conditioning ,running ,weight lifting in the off season and not on the couch playing playstation they must be enjoy something and when these things happen great thing follows.

[Droopy_Cougar]

IMO as long as they are under 15 before entering the 8th grade again Its fine. I myself was a hold back but this was before they made this 15 year old rule.I was held back because I was not mature enough for highschool, I also started early so I was turning 14 in september my second 8th grade year. I was the same age as any other 8th grader but I was a lil bigger and better cause I was used to playing with the older kids, but one of the parents of a teammate on the football team ratted me out that I was held back and I was told the friday pactice before the first game of the year (that following monday) that I couldnt play or my team would have to forfiet every game. So I had to set out that whole year of sports when back then Virgie and Pikeville both were known for holding back but I lost my chance because of a jealous parent. Even though I did not get to play sports that year I dont regret it at all because I learned so much this year and grew as a person. I totally support being held back as long as it is for the right cause.

[Mr. Right]

I agree on that. But TCMS also played Gilbert Middle, Pikeville, and Johnson County Middle. Which were most of the time wins. Also this was with 3 less schools!!

They did play Pikeville, I forgot that one, but Gilbert didn't have a middle school then (they were junior high or 7-9), and never do I remember them playing JCMS.

I could be mistaken but Johnson Co. Middle is barely older than Belfry Middle.

[Mr. Right]

IMO as long as they are under 15 before entering the 8th grade again Its fine. I myself was a hold back but this was before they made this 15 year old rule.I was held back because I was not mature enough for highschool, I also started early so I was turning 14 in september my second 8th grade year. I was the same age as any other 8th grader but I was a lil bigger and better cause I was used to playing with the older kids, but one of the parents of a teammate on the football team ratted me out that I was held back and I was told the friday pactice before the first game of the year (that following monday) that I couldnt play or my team would have to forfiet every game. So I had to set out that whole year of sports when back then Virgie and Pikeville both were known for holding back but I lost my chance because of a jealous parent. Even though I did not get to play sports that year I dont regret it at all because I learned so much this year and grew as a person. I totally support being held back as long as it is for the right cause.

What's the wrong cause????

Nothing wrong with holding a kid back, IMO, and it should be a parental decision only. It bugs me that the KHSAA would want to penalize any kid because their parents felt that holding them back would be beneficial to them in anyway.

[sportsfreak2]

Sense holdbacks is what this thread is about were some of these dandy ball players holdbacks .I think so. AS for Keith M. I think he is a dandy coach and loves to coach, but when the talent at TC left he did also. (But there were some parent issues also,I,ve heard that he just wanted away from, lil johnny parents thinking their kid was better than he showed things of that line. AS for Kevin and crew giv'em time and time will tell. I think they are on track to do good things with BMS and the kids as a whole not just in football when u have 30 to 50 middle school kids show up , for conditioning ,running ,weight lifting in the off season and not on the couch playing playstation they must be enjoy something and when these things happen great thing follows.

Well, you apparently do not know the real reason he left, there were and still are those parents who think their children are the stars and they equate stars with points and that is not what it is all about. Keith taught respect, responsibility, discipline and a true love for the sport. He left because it was the right time for him to leave. If you can remember correctly, he took the program at TC when no one else would and he has brought many teams up from the bottom, which means he was there many seasons without any "talent" so you really can't say he left when the talent did. It seems like those athletes with "talent" are those who mommy and daddy think deserve all the playing time, there are plenty of good athletes which have been pushed and worked with which have turned out to perform as well and with more heart than those with "raw talent." And the key word here is that Keith LOVES to coach, he loves the sport and giving to the kids in the community.

[sportsfreak2]

Thats a whole different can of worms and its history. I'm not taking away from the kids in any way. They dominated, they were talented...period...but they were the only middle school around here. Three of the feeder schools made up TC middle so they had a lot of kids to choose from and they dominated the 3 remaining feeder schools who were still grade schools with kids who lived in their own area for the most part. Like I said, I'm not taking away from their talent but you cant compare what TC middle had to choose from and what the grade schools had to chose from.

And you think all the kids who are playing now are from their OWN area? Many will argue that and few know the truth. That in itself is a whole can of worms too!!

[JD If U Please]

Well, you apparently do not know the real reason he left, there were and still are those parents who think their children are the stars and they equate stars with points and that is not what it is all about. Keith taught respect, responsibility, discipline and a true love for the sport. He left because it was the right time for him to leave. If you can remember correctly, he took the program at TC when no one else would and he has brought many teams up from the bottom, which means he was there many seasons without any "talent" so you really can't say he left when the talent did. It seems like those athletes with "talent" are those who mommy and daddy think deserve all the playing time, there are plenty of good athletes which have been pushed and worked with which have turned out to perform as well and with more heart than those with "raw talent." And the key word here is that Keith LOVES to coach, he loves the sport and giving to the kids in the community.


I agree wih this statement, Keith left for reasons him and his family knows, and there was talent at TCMS when he left, he Dustin May and about 5-7 others that under the right coach would have won the county...............


Keith is a great coach and person and I hope he gets more involved with other programs at BMS.

[phs1986]

Well, you apparently do not know the real reason he left, there were and still are those parents who think their children are the stars and they equate stars with points and that is not what it is all about. Keith taught respect, responsibility, discipline and a true love for the sport. He left because it was the right time for him to leave. If you can remember correctly, he took the program at TC when no one else would and he has brought many teams up from the bottom, which means he was there many seasons without any "talent" so you really can't say he left when the talent did. It seems like those athletes with "talent" are those who mommy and daddy think deserve all the playing time, there are plenty of good athletes which have been pushed and worked with which have turned out to perform as well and with more heart than those with "raw talent." And the key word here is that Keith LOVES to coach, he loves the sport and giving to the kids in the community.

AMEN!!! Keith is awesome with kids... granted.. he does hate to lose ( I have a youngin that is JUST like him...LOL).... BUT you tell me a coach who does?? Go Keith!! Continue to use your smarts to encourage the youth of WHAT EVER area you chose to coach in!!!

[Dream_Weaver]

Well, you apparently do not know the real reason he left, there were and still are those parents who think their children are the stars and they equate stars with points and that is not what it is all about. Keith taught respect, responsibility, discipline and a true love for the sport. He left because it was the right time for him to leave. If you can remember correctly, he took the program at TC when no one else would and he has brought many teams up from the bottom, which means he was there many seasons without any "talent" so you really can't say he left when the talent did. It seems like those athletes with "talent" are those who mommy and daddy think deserve all the playing time, there are plenty of good athletes which have been pushed and worked with which have turned out to perform as well and with more heart than those with "raw talent." And the key word here is that Keith LOVES to coach, he loves the sport and giving to the kids in the community.


We need more people like him involved with our young athletes.....can never have too many people who love what they do and do it well....BMS has done a wonderful job of getting coaches and teachers who all have the same goal----being the best :1:

[dblg11]

Well, you apparently do not know the real reason he left, there were and still are those parents who think their children are the stars and they equate stars with points and that is not what it is all about. Keith taught respect, responsibility, discipline and a true love for the sport. He left because it was the right time for him to leave. If you can remember correctly, he took the program at TC when no one else would and he has brought many teams up from the bottom, which means he was there many seasons without any "talent" so you really can't say he left when the talent did. It seems like those athletes with "talent" are those who mommy and daddy think deserve all the playing time, there are plenty of good athletes which have been pushed and worked with which have turned out to perform as well and with more heart than those with "raw talent." And the key word here is that Keith LOVES to coach, he loves the sport and giving to the kids in the community.


We need more people like him involved with our young athletes.....can never have too many people who love what they do and do it well....BMS has done a wonderful job of getting coaches and teachers who all have the same goal----being the best :1:

I agree. Keith not only loves 2 coach he is **** good at it. In my opinion he is 1 of the best coaches around. I would love 2 see him get bac into coaching footbally. Go Keith!!

[PLAYBOY5]

Why did Belfry cancel the game against Whitesburg today? Was really wanting to see that game and heard Belfry cancelled with them....Very Dissapointing..I know Whitesburg beat them 38-2 last year and Whitesburg seems to be ALOT better than last year!

[phs1986]

I PERSONALLY talked to Whitesburgs coach.... he called the school where I work and wanted to schedule a game or 2.... he said they are a little down this year but should be pretty good. From what he told me on the phone... they only had about 6 games scheduled at that time!

[Batpuff]

Hey the Louisa Middle School 8th grade needs a game for Sept 7th 7:30. If there is a team that wants an 8th grade game on that day contact Coach Goldsmith.

[PLAYBOY5]

How is Louisa and will they travel?