Whats Wrong With Kentucky Boys?

[SValley Fan]

Why does Tubby and these other Big Schools want New York City boys than KY boys?...Ok maybe Ky boys cant run fast or jump high but they can shoot

[EKY Sportster]

You tell me and we'll both know? Maybe that is why the Cats haven't done as well the last 10 years or so. When UK recruited KY high schools they had not only good ball players but they got HEART out of the players too. Geez, UK doesn't even go after our Mr. Basketball anymore? Go figure. I have seen our boys beat us too many times and they would all have loved to have played for UK. Maybe the Lofton error could have some impact on Tubby, at least we can hope so!

[SValley Fan]

I just dont understand it...I would take Hicks or Stepp over Remel Bradley

[Super_de]

not in the right thread, but ne ways eky, why even go to the lofton thing, lofton wouldnt have got to play the way he does down at tennessee if he played at kentucky, you think kentucky is going to let a player shoot 20 shots a game, and he got 3 all americans that year so dotn start.

[SValley Fan]

Not in the right thread, what u talking about...Im talking about KY High Boys, Not University of Tenn. Boys

[Super_de]

Why does Tubby and these other Big Schools want New York City boys than KY boys?...Ok maybe Ky boys cant run fast or jump high but they can shoot

if i can read right, i do belive that says tubby, and what does tubby coach, hmmm, college, not high school?

[SValley Fan]

lol It says why does TUBBY get everyone but KY HIGH SCHOOL BOYS

[Super_de]

but why would you post something about college coaches in a high school thread?

[PLAYBOY5]

This is interesting. I say....COLLEGE!!!!!!! But my opinion doesn't matter, lol.

[SValley Fan]

but why would you post something about college coaches in a high school thread?I didnt...Im asking whats wrong with KY BOYS, McFly

[mrfootball03]

& the boys that play at UK don't have the heart as the boys that grow up here in KY dreaming of being a Wildcat

[SValley Fan]

Its seems like KY Boys can shoot 10 times better than these big City Boys

[Valley Cat]

i agree my money man.

[SValley Fan]

i agree my money man.lol thats what im talkin about

[Cookie Crisp]

ky boys can shoot better then these city boys

[Homer Simpson]

I understand why this should be in the High School Forum......It mentioned high school boys...and i also agree that a wildcat fan i tru and most high school ball players would love to play 4 UK.....and also Chris Lofton is better than Bradley and Crawford....but go Big Blue

[TRAIN85]

Who is going to give it their all for the Big Blue Nation? The kids that grew watching and idolizing UK basketball. I too agree that they should recruit more in state. Farmer, Pelphrey, and Feldhous should say it all. Look how much hear, soul and pride they put into being a wildcat. Stay in state a while and see what happens is the only way to see how it would be.

[LOOKAYANNER]

I just dont understand it...I would take Hicks or Stepp over Remel Bradley
Hicks nor Stepp have the athleticism to play at the same level with Bradley. I don't always agree with some of Bradley's floor decisions, but the two players you mentioned are not in his category.

[SValley Fan]

Hicks nor Stepp have the athleticism to play at the same level with Bradley. I don't always agree with some of Bradley's floor decisions, but the two players you mentioned are not in his category.Yea Bradley Can play Street Ball but he is not a True point Guard...Ive seen Hicks play against Sum of the best players in America...Just because sumone can run faster dont mean there a better player

[jammin' jamey]

You tell me and we'll both know? Maybe that is why the Cats haven't done as well the last 10 years or so. When UK recruited KY high schools they had not only good ball players but they got HEART out of the players too. Geez, UK doesn't even go after our Mr. Basketball anymore? Go figure. I have seen our boys beat us too many times and they would all have loved to have played for UK. Maybe the Lofton error could have some impact on Tubby, at least we can hope so!

I'm not really arguing your viewpoint, because I agree that players from Kentucky grow up and would take pride in wearing the blue & white. But seriously, besides Lofton and possibly Ty Proffitt, who has Tubby missed out on recruiting from Kentucky?

BTW, isn't he courting someone from Mason County right now?

Tubby will never recruit an all-shooting-no-defense-too-short guard from the Kentucky. He hasn't yet.

[IISnakE]

Would he if Pitino recruited them & Beat Tubby with them?

[OffTheHook]

I'm not really arguing your viewpoint, because I agree that players from Kentucky grow up and would take pride in wearing the blue & white. But seriously, besides Lofton and possibly Ty Proffitt, who has Tubby missed out on recruiting from Kentucky?

BTW, isn't he courting someone from Mason County right now?

Tubby will never recruit an all-shooting-no-defense-too-short guard from the Kentucky. He hasn't yet.

To be honest with ya Pitino probably wouldn't have either. The only reason he recuited any kids from KY was because Pelphrey, Farmer, and Feldhouse were already on the team when he got there. If they weren't he probably wouldn't have recruited them. Once he saw the pride and determination of the home grown boys, he always kept a couple on each team he had from that point on. And look at what he accomplished by doing so. Tubby will never do that and it will be his down fall. Look a Pitino now. I don't keep up with UL much. But, does he even have any KY boys on his team? None of the Cats know what it means to be able to wear that uniform. ****, Tubby doesn't either.

[SValley Fan]

well I would rather have Hicks or Stepp than Brandon Stockton lol

[windmill]

if I was Tubby, i would get 3 or 4 recruits from Kentucky, he already let Proffit go, and Mackey, look at all the players he has missed already, Lofton of course,I think AJ Slaughter could have played at UK,guys like Pettigrew could play for UK, he let Brooks go, to Penn State, but I guess Tubby likes the out of state boys, but it isnt helping him, id love to coach Kentucky, Id load up on KY boys

[FATMAN]

i wish he would recruit some ky boys they are only one on the team right now.

[SValley Fan]

Hey Camron Mills couldnt run fast or jump high but he could shoot the 3 ball...What is the Team called that Tubby coaches? oh yea, its KENTUCKY...gets sum players thats from KY and after they graduate they will most likely stay in KY

[EKY Sportster]

To be honest with ya Pitino probably wouldn't have either. The only reason he recuited any kids from KY was because Pelphrey, Farmer, and Feldhouse were already on the team when he got there. If they weren't he probably wouldn't have recruited them. Once he saw the pride and determination of the home grown boys, he always kept a couple on each team he had from that point on. And look at what he accomplished by doing so. Tubby will never do that and it will be his down fall. Look a Pitino now. I don't keep up with UL much. But, does he even have any KY boys on his team? None of the Cats know what it means to be able to wear that uniform. ****, Tubby doesn't either.

:thumpsup: Exactly right!

[SValley Fan]

Well also Pitino did say he didnt like KY boys and there would be no way he would recruit them guys

[firetubbyplease!]

I'm not really arguing your viewpoint, because I agree that players from Kentucky grow up and would take pride in wearing the blue & white. But seriously, besides Lofton and possibly Ty Proffitt, who has Tubby missed out on recruiting from Kentucky?

BTW, isn't he courting someone from Mason County right now?

Tubby will never recruit an all-shooting-no-defense-too-short guard from the Kentucky. He hasn't yet.


Patrick Sparks????????????????????????

[firetubbyplease!]

What I get sick of is the recruiting of out of state boys who are permanent bench riders (ie Shegari Alleyene and others). Why not give scholarships to KY boys---even if they ride the bench they are still getting a scholarship to attend their state university. And I bet that wearing the blue and white might mean something to them!!!! Some of them might even turn out to be more than "bench riders". When I think of deserving KY boys who got passed over in the Tubby era it makes me sick!!!

[SValley Fan]

Patrick Sparks????????????????????????Sparks Transfered to UK....Also when Rondo or Bradley did summin wrong, Tubby didnt do anything, If Sparks did the samething he gets jerked out of the game...Orbziut, Alleyene or whatever his name was, Even Carter....Get sum boys out of Eastern KY that can shoot the 3 ball

[Old school Dawg]

but why would you post something about college coaches in a high school thread? Come on were a bunch of jocks not rocket scientists give him a break,,rules rules that is why I cant stand bluegrass preps message boards and like this one better they have rules but give a guy a break.

[SValley Fan]

Yea all I said was whats wrong with KY High School boys

[BlackcatAlum]

The only player from Kentucky that UK is recruiting is the kid @ Mason Co. and he is just a junior. I agree with every post except for the ones that say Ky boys are better than Ramel Bradley. Ramel can shoot the lights out! He can fly with the ball and make good decisions on fast breaks. If theres anyone in EKY that has the chance at playing at UK than its Stepp at JBS, or Justice at SV, but he is just a Freshman with a bright future. In middle school I always thought that Landon may goto UK or get some kind of D1 scholorship but hasnt played that dominate in HS to play at that level, even though Paintsville does play some really talented teams. But theres alot of EKY teams that I havnt seen yet.

[SValley Fan]

Bradley prob can shoot the lights out if hes in a room with no lights...lol gaww what a joke

[Survivor]

The only player from Kentucky that UK is recruiting is the kid @ Mason Co. and he is just a junior. I agree with every post except for the ones that say Ky boys are better than Ramel Bradley. Ramel can shoot the lights out! He can fly with the ball and make good decisions on fast breaks. If theres anyone in EKY that has the chance at playing at UK than its Stepp at JBS, or Justice at SV, but he is just a Freshman with a bright future. In middle school I always thought that Landon may goto UK or get some kind of D1 scholorship but hasnt played that dominate in HS to play at that level, even though Paintsville does play some really talented teams. But theres alot of EKY teams that I havnt seen yet.

Stepp, Justice are you DRUNK!

[Doc Holliday]

Traditionally Eastern Kentucky boys have one major drawback.

They dont stick!!!!

For the uninformed the perception of many Ky players is that they were a Big fish in a little pond. Then when they go to a school where they actually have to compete they dont "stick" it out.

There is a long list of Ky players in all sports of not hacking it on the college level. They transfer to smaller closer schools.

Im not saying that its true but that is the way many college coachs feel.

[StrikeoutKing]

It may just be me, but whenever I see a recruit on TV from a city like New York, Detroit, Los Angeles, or some other large city area, the only thing they know how to do is dribble and penitrate. And that's not a bad thing. I mean, it most cases it opens up the outside. But they need to be more team oriented. To me, the "sharp shooters" come from small towns, or in rare cases, smaller cities. Larry Bird from French Lick, Indiana, Chris Lofton from Maysville, Kentucky, and J.J. Reddick from Cookeville, Tennessee. I know it's hard to have Lofton and Reddick in the same category with Bird, but I think you all see my point. Just because you're not a big city street baller doesn't mean you don't have game. UK football has gotten the last 2 Mr. Footballs and look how the prgram has turned around. I think Tubby Smith is a great coach, but I just hope he'd look more within the Bluegrass for some talent, because when it comes to High School basketball, I don't think it gets much better.

[Johnny Fairplay]

I do think Tubby should put more effort in getting the best 2-3 players in this state every year or at least Mr. Basketball. If Tubby ever went to a State Tourny in Rupp he would see what basketball means in this state. The high school tourney draws a hug crowd every year. I agree that I don't think Pitino would have either except when hoo got the job UK was put on Probation and all the great stars left to get their own. The only players to stay were the Big Blue faithful, KY Boys and looked what happened. I would rather coach kids with a little less talent, great heart and determination over pure talent any time. These types of kids are coachable and want to learn they don't think they already know it all and just need some practice for the NBA. As for Lofton, I hope he continues to play well, he wasn't recruited by UK or UofL. I think Tennessee loves KY boys, Houston and Lofton are 2 of the best players to ever play at UT.

[SValley Fan]

Goodpoint, Also If a KY boy graduates from UK, then most likely hes gonna stay in the State with that diaploma instead of him going back to Europe or Russia or where ever these players are from

[jammin' jamey]

Traditionally Eastern Kentucky boys have one major drawback.

They dont stick!!!!

For the uninformed the perception of many Ky players is that they were a Big fish in a little pond. Then when they go to a school where they actually have to compete they dont "stick" it out.

There is a long list of Ky players in all sports of not hacking it on the college level. They transfer to smaller closer schools.

Im not saying that its true but that is the way many college coachs feel.

Good point!

[Big Dirty #4]

Maybe Chris Lofton will prove a lesson to Tubby. Tubby over looked him and now he's a star in Tennessee. Maybe it will come back to haunt him, if Tennessee beats Kentucky out in the SEC this year

[BC75]

Traditionally Eastern Kentucky boys have one major drawback.

They dont stick!!!!

For the uninformed the perception of many Ky players is that they were a Big fish in a little pond. Then when they go to a school where they actually have to compete they dont "stick" it out.

There is a long list of Ky players in all sports of not hacking it on the college level. They transfer to smaller closer schools.

Im not saying that its true but that is the way many college coachs feel.

I'll second that, I know a long list, myself included. But with my expierience, college was no where near as fun as high school.

[J. R. VanHoose]

When Tubby Smith recruited me he told me they would like for me to wait and sign in the spring so that they could "evaluate" me a little more and decide on me then. At the time my final three schools were Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, and Marshall. They wanted me then not later and I told him that, he said that was fine, but if I was still interested later I could possibly "Walk-On." Then he signed that guy from Utah who stayed one year then transfered, Nate something!! Oh well, I am not the biggest Tubby fan anyway!!

[TidesHoss32]

there is no doubt in my mind, and there was never any doubt in my mind that you could have played and started for Kentucky. You proved that by the way you played at Marshall...let Tubby recruit who he wants to recruit, eventually it will sink him. Maybe not now, but eventually it will. The SEC wasnt as strong then when he first started at UK as it is now, and while the SEC has gotten stronger, Kentucky has NOT. But be proud of what you accomplished at Marshall, you have every right to be.:thumpsup: When Tubby Smith recruited me he told me they would like for me to wait and sign in the spring so that they could "evaluate" me a little more and decide on me then. At the time my final three schools were Notre Dame, Vanderbilt, and Marshall. They wanted me then not later and I told him that, he said that was fine, but if I was still interested later I could possibly "Walk-On." Then he signed that guy from Utah who stayed one year then transfered, Nate something!! Oh well, I am not the biggest Tubby fan anyway!!

[formerallamerican11]

I can't stand Tubby never will. He can't recruit at all. Someone said Bradley can shoot the lights out of it, I could out shoot him and someone else said Lofton could not play for Tubby because he takes 20 shots. Well look at the two and see who has the better stats. Bradley is a punk. Him and Crawford, who is a joker to were 7 of 26 or something like that last night against Houston and Clyde wasn't playing. I wouldn't trade Lofton for Bradley and Crawford. As for the players Pitino and Tubby recruited from Kentucky. Here are some of the signees.

Tubby- Todd Tackett, Josh Carrier, Jared Carter, Brandon Stockton, J.P. Blevins, Marquis Estill his best signee from Ky. Walk-ons Matt Heisenbuttel or something like that, Lemaster, Ravi Moss.

I'll name 5 for Rick
Scott Padgent
Anthoney Epps
Travis Ford
Derrick Anderson Transfer
Cameron Mills Walk-on

I'll take those five over any player Tubby has recruited from KY.

Tubby will bury himself just like Tide Hoss said.

[alfus21]

What's wrong with Kentucky Boys?

How about level of competition for one? In large cities these guys are more used to playing a faster more competitive game against good D1 athletes.

It's common sense guys. Kentucky players aren't as good as players from large cities. There's probably more guys that go D1 in one city like NY than go D1 in the entire state of Kentucky.

They're more athletic, can run the floor better, can jump higher, are overall bigger, and have played more competition.

With the excepetion of Lofton at Tennessee how many players since him have done anything at the D1 level from Kentucky compared to these guys from New York.

What's wrong with Kentucky boys? Nothing at a small level, but at D1 level there is a lack of competitivness.

[SValley Fan]

Kentucky Player are as good as City Players...Some are some aren't

[str8 ripp'n]

Great post. I couldn't agree more formerallamerican11. Every year ky basketball keeps getting worse. Their recruiting sucks. Last year they had three 7' guys that could not even make a lay up. I would take Ford or Epps over either of them.

[SValley Fan]

Oh yeah good points....Go to the College threads on here...Topic is if Tubby is a good coach...Alot of ppl responding to it

[alfus21]

Kentucky Player are as good as City Players...Sum are Sum isnt

Sum?

Kentucky players are NOT as good. Explain to me why no other D1 colleges take them along with Tubby or Rick. They're not as good or they would be going to D1 schools all over the country.

With the exception of 2 or 3 players per year no others deserve a shot at D1.

If they did, then other D1 schools would come in and get them.

In large cities, the talent level is higher, work ethic is harder, and competition is better.

[SValley Fan]

Its not that there that much better its just no one will give them a chance...I agree wit ya that there only 2 or 3 that goes and thats it

[alfus21]

Its not that there that much better its just no one will give them a chance...I agree wit ya that there only 2 or 3 that goes and thats it

Yeah, but people don't give them a chance for a reason. It is good to see Lofton turn out like he did but it's just too risky to take a Kentucky player that doesn't face stiff competition year in and year out.

[SValley Fan]

Alot of players do, More here in Lexington than in Eastern Ky but still If u put sum of those players on a good team where they dont have to do it all themselves then they might actually be better than ya think

[twentythree]

Kentucky basketball is getting brighter but why compare a player like Stepp with Ramel...there are plenty of D1 schools that would love to have Bradley on their team and I imagine he would be a little more sought after than Stepp...I personally do not blame Tubby for not even looking Eastern KY's way when it comes to finding prospects...it's few and far between but in Lexington and Louisville their may be some gems but they would be classified as "City Boys" as well....basketball in the bluegrass is far less competitive in this state and we just have to accept the fact that a majority of our UK players are from around the country...

[SValley Fan]

All Bradley can do is Run fast...Hes not a true gaurd, He cant shoot...If anyone was good they wouldnt go to UK...

[OffTheHook]

Kentucky basketball is getting brighter but why compare a player like Stepp with Ramel...there are plenty of D1 schools that would love to have Bradley on their team and I imagine he would be a little more sought after than Stepp...I personally do not blame Tubby for not even looking Eastern KY's way when it comes to finding prospects...it's few and far between but in Lexington and Louisville their may be some gems but they would be classified as "City Boys" as well....basketball in the bluegrass is far less competitive in this state and we just have to accept the fact that a majority of our UK players are from around the country...


Tell that to all the out of state teams that came to the Tigers Hoops Classic and left with losses to all the KY teams! Yeah I know a TN team won it. But, they didn't leave here with out a loss to a KY team (Paintsville). Tell that to the teams that the Tigers beat in FL. Not saying that the Tigers are world beaters. But they have beat a few along with SV and some others. So that line is worthless to me. It's all about pride and respect. Something the BIG CITY boys don't have for that blue uni they put on.

[SValley Fan]

Tell that to all the out of state teams that came to the Tigers Hoops Classic and left with losses to all the KY teams! Yeah I know a TN team won it. But, they didn't leave here with out a loss to a KY team (Paintsville). Tell that to the teams that the Tigers beat in FL. Not saying that the Tigers are world beaters. But they have beat a few along with SV and some others. So that line is worthless to me. It's all about pride and respect. Something the BIG CITY boys don't have for that blue uni they put on.Yea Scott County went to Mrytle Beach and Won 3 games out of 4

[twentythree]

Oh so i assume that Paintsville played the most powerhouse teams from across the state right??...face it Kentucky as a whole is not FLOODED w/ talent if you compare to other states...just because Paintsville or Shelby Valley beat a team from another state it doesn't mean Kentucky AS A WHOLE could compare with some other states...Sheldon Clark beat Cannon County from Tennessee so therefore Kentucky high school basketball dwarfs that of Tennessee's...

[SValley Fan]

Oh so i assume that Paintsville played the most powerhouse teams from across the state right??...face it Kentucky as a whole is not FLOODED w/ talent if you compare to other states...just because Paintsville or Shelby Valley beat a team from another state it doesn't mean Kentucky AS A WHOLE could compare with some other states...Sheldon Clark beat Cannon County from Tennessee so therefore Kentucky high school basketball dwarfs that of Tennessee's...Thats True...But also Teams in lexington play teams from out of State and JBS and Hazard plays Lexington teams

[happyface]

When you ride by parks you don't see our kids playing pick up basketball anymore. Cars, cell phones, internet, and video games has destroyed the basketball foundation.

[StrikeoutKing]

Ty Proffit just signed a D1 scholarship to play for Notre Dame. So there's one out of a very talented 2007 class. It's not a major basketball school, but congrats to him nonetheless! Whatever happened to JuJuan Spillman? Didn't he win Mr. Basketball a few years ago? Last I heard, he had signed to play for Cincinnati, but I haven't heard anything since. Used to be, if you won Mr. Basketball, you were going somewhere. But now what?

[OffTheHook]

Another thing about KY compared to these so call "BIG CITY BOYS", as some call them. Is A VERY high majority of KY highschool coaches teach what is called TEAM ball. Because that what basketball is, a TEAM sport. That is why Pelphrey, Farmer and Feldhous "The Unforgetables" did so well. They were all TEAM players and knew that they had to play as a TEAM to win. Smart kids and graet TEAMmates, that's what you get when you recruit the top players outa KY! Pintino said that was he most favorite team of all time. Heart and Desire. NOT, "I just need a year or two to get to da NBA and get dat MONEY"

[happyface]

They were also great individual players at their high schools, thats why they ended up at Kentucky, not because of their team play. Not saying they were not team ball players, but make no mistake about it they were great individual ball players at the high school level and Pelphrey and Feldhaus were big guys who could handle the ball and Farmer was a big time scorer at Clay County, these were no ordinary high school players. Was Reggie Hanson part of that team with Farmer, Feldhaus and Pelphrey?

[Survivor]

Ty Proffit just signed a D1 scholarship to play for Notre Dame. So there's one out of a very talented 2007 class. It's not a major basketball school, but congrats to him nonetheless! Whatever happened to JuJuan Spillman? Didn't he win Mr. Basketball a few years ago? Last I heard, he had signed to play for Cincinnati, but I haven't heard anything since. Used to be, if you won Mr. Basketball, you were going somewhere. But now what?

Tubby did a good thing by not recruiting Ty Proffit. I think he is the most overated player in the state of KY. I will be surprised if ever plays any for Notre Dame.

[twentythree]

Yeah Farmer and all those boys were recruited not only for their TEAM leadership but they were lights out...you're not going to find many players around the state that can fill up like those men..

[OffTheHook]

Yeah Farmer and all those boys were recruited not only for their TEAM leadership but they were lights out...you're not going to find many players around the state that can fill up like those men..

PLease. UK was on probation when those boys except Pelphrey, who redshirted, came to town. All these so called lights out players didn't want to come to a team that wasn't even eligible to make the post season tourney! Mashburn and so on showed up at the end of the probation.

[SValley Fan]

PLease. UK was on probation when those boys except Pelphrey, who redshirted, came to town. All these so called lights out players didn't want to come to a team that wasn't even eligible to make the post season tourney! Mashburn and so on showed up at the end of the probation.I have to say, hes right!

[twentythree]

Year in and year out you put Kentucky's best high school team against other states and just see if they win 30% of their games...face it

[OffTheHook]

Year in and year out you put Kentucky's best high school team against other states and just see if they win 30% of their games...face it

No one is say to put nothing but KY's best on the court. All we are saying is just try and get a few of the Top ones. NOT, one state could do that and it DOES NOT happen now! We are just saying, RUPP and all the others did it and were successful. So what is Tubby's excuse for loosing???????

[BigJ]

just dont understand it

[SValley Fan]

just dont understand itWhat do ya mean by that?

[alfus21]

No one is say to put nothing but KY's best on the court. All we are saying is just try and get a few of the Top ones. NOT, one state could do that and it DOES NOT happen now! We are just saying, RUPP and all the others did it and were successful. So what is Tubby's excuse for loosing???????

Call me crazy, but I think the game of basketball and it's players have changed since the days of Rupp.

[OffTheHook]

Call me crazy, but I think the game of basketball and it's players have changed since the days of Rupp.

Reading into it to much man. Just saying that pretty much ALL Coaches at KY have always had some KY boys on the team and be successful. Why can't Tubby do it?

[happyface]

Find a coach from the state of Kentucky and you will get Kentucky players.

[OffTheHook]

Find a coach from the state of Kentucky and you will get Kentucky players.


:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[SValley Fan]

All the players shouldnt be from KY but at least like 4 or 5...I mean come on

[alfus21]

Find a coach from the state of Kentucky and you will get Kentucky players.

And you will lose about every game too.

[Hamburger]

Well we could win the NIT instead of going out in the first or second round of the Ncaa

[happyface]

I'll say this about Tubby, if he can't recruit he must be a great coach to win 20 games a year. Check his resume out versus some of the so called great coaches now. Our kids as a whole do not love the game. And where I live no one plays except the kids. Whatever happen to the older guys that could play, they taught the younger guys how to play. Now they play against each other all the time and don't get the competition they need. Like I said in a earlier post, playstations, cell phones, internet and drugs has killed the game as we know it.

[Hamburger]

I'll say this about Tubby, if he can't recruit he must be a great coach to win 20 games a year. Check his resume out versus some of the so called great coaches now. Our kids as a whole do not love the game. And where I live no one plays except the kids. Whatever happen to the older guys that could play, they taught the younger guys how to play. Now they play against each other all the time and don't get the competition they need. Like I said in a earlier post, playstations, cell phones, internet and drugs has killed the game as we know it.Ill agree with you..This is very true...Nobody plays ball anymore at the parks like they use to...Which all the Drugs in KY isnt helping either

[Doc Holliday]

Call me crazy, but I think the game of basketball and it's players have changed since the days of Rupp.

True

But I think you all need to look at some of the players that Rupp recruited, you may be surprised that he didnt just have boys from the bluegrass.
Alex Groza, Jim Line, Bill Spivey, Bob Burrow, Pat Riley, Cotton Nash, louis Dampier, Dan Issel, Mike Pratt, Kevin Greavy were all recruited by Rupp, and they were College All Americans.

The last 4 All Americans Rupp had, were all from somewhere other than Ky.

[Hamburger]

Honestly I know UK wouldnt win to much but I think every School should only be able to get players from there state...Thats what I think tho, What do u all think about that ?

[allthewayhome]

Honestly I know UK wouldnt win to much but I think every School should only be able to get players from there state...Thats what I think tho, What do u all think about that ?

idk about that but i think each school should at least get their mr. basketball

[happyface]

I agree because we should at least recruit our Mr. Basketball and out top 5 to 10 players, but you still need the 6'5 to 6'8 athletes to compete against the top programs in the country and we don't have many of those. We have a lot of 6'3 guys that's forced to play in the post because of the lack of big guys, so those 6'3 guys never get to develop and outside game that might would get them a shot at a D1 school not just UK. EKU, WKU, Morehead, and Murray.

[allthewayhome]

yeah we do need taller and stronger players but that is what out of state recruiting is for to get the players you don't have

[Hamburger]

We seem to get the out of state players that cant play tho lol

[OffTheHook]

We seem to get the out of state players that cant play tho lol


LOL! TRUE, So why even leave the state to get those guys. At least the in state boys have alittle pride about them.

[Hamburger]

LOL! TRUE, So why even leave the state to get those guys. At least the in state boys have alittle pride about them.Yea no kidding

[happyface]

Once again Tubby wins 20+ games a year with guys who can't play must be a great coach. He has dominated the SEC since he's been there. I'm not a big Tubby fan but I can't argue his sucess. To assume that his players don't have any pride is not fair. Bring any of those guys to play against your local high school star and you would see a huge difference. Get our boys to the gyms and parks during the off season and off the internet and playstations and we might have a chance with the next generation.

[Hamburger]

Thats Great Tubby does good in the SEC but it isnt were it really counts...Ncaa Tourny

[happyface]

Check his NCAA record vs some of the so called greats. And thats with his bad recruiting. He lost some players early to the draft that would have changed some things.

[#1ukfan]

he is a bad coach. that does not know what talent is. that is why he dosen't get ky boys.

[Hamburger]

he is a bad coach. that does not know what talent is. that is why he dosen't get ky boys.Good Point

[allthewayhome]

he is a bad coach. that does not know what talent is. that is why he dosen't get ky boys.

no tubby is a real good coach but he needs to hire someone else to do all of his recuirting because he can't do that. but other than that tubby is one of best coaches in the ncaa.

[TennisCAT23]

he is a bad coach. that does not know what talent is. that is why he dosen't get ky boys.
And this is why we have the WORST fan base in college basketball...who can say they're KY's #1 fan and call their leader a bad coach...he's a proven winner, he's recruited just as many All Americans as Pitino...He had the #1 recruiting class three years ago but that goes unmentioned...He gets players that fit in his system and if he seen someone from this state that fit then you better believe he'd be on the recruiting trail...i.e Darius Miller and Jenkins out of L'ville..so yes he is recruiting these KY boys

[Hamburger]

yea he has recruited all americans ...The best one was Rondo...What happend to him????

[allthewayhome]

gee idk i think he might of went to the nba hahaha

[Hamburger]

gee idk i think he might of went to the nba hahahageee I wonder why he went, ummmm prob cause he knew he wouldnt win anything at UK

[OffTheHook]

^ Lol!

[TennisCAT23]

yea he has recruited all americans ...The best one was Rondo...What happend to him????
And how is that his fault?? he can't make these kids stay and these great freshman we got this year will be four year players...he receives so much flack for his recruiting yet his freshman are receiving nice reviews from some people that actually know the game...and by the way Tayshaun Prince, Keith Bogans and one of the best centers in college basketball today Randolph Morris were all americans and you're saying Rondo is better than these guys?? WOW:dontthink

[Hamburger]

Rondo was better than Morris...

[TennisCAT23]

geee I wonder why he went, ummmm prob cause he knew he wouldnt win anything at UK
and whose fault would that be??? he had the pieces BOTH seasons and Mr. Rondo couldn't even stay in the starting lineup throughout the season...im 99.9% sure Rondo didn't leave because of the lack of talent...he didn't do much at all to help our cause...

[TennisCAT23]

Rondo was better than Morris...
yeah I don't remember Morris ever losing his starting spot to a stud like Brandon Stockton though lol...why do you say that?? I feel as if Morris has had a MUCH more productive college career than rondo..and you can't say anything about the NBA game until Randolph decides to leave...and I guarantee he'll make an impact wherever he ends up

[Hamburger]

He already left and couldnt make it, I shouldnt have to say anything

[TennisCAT23]

are you telling me you haven't seen an improvement in this kids game?? He was 18 years old and he's grown leaps and bounds it's sad to see you haven't noticed... You see the UNC game the matchup of him and Hansbrough? not even close...he's having huge games now on a daily basis against top prospects and you're telling me he couldn't do it in the NBA...once again WOW

[Hamburger]

Im not saying he hasent Improved. People also said he could have went straight from High School to NBA, I seriously doubt that

[TennisCAT23]

if you watched him play against superstar Dwight Howard then you would have definately said the same thing...he's 10 times more mature now and he has proven he's a beast...he will be very productive in the next level

[Hamburger]

Yea he is a lot better now than he was, Ill agree

[TennisCAT23]

yeah...I feel they both will be talents in the years to come...I also believe another Tubby recruit Azubuike will also have a solid career...you cant argue that Tubby preps a lot of kids for the next level if anyone would have told me 6'6 Chuck Hayes would be having the career he's having today I'd not believe it...

[Hamburger]

Azubuike was good but he really didnt have a choice to leave but he didnt have to hire an agent...yea I didnt think Chuck Hays would make it to the NBA.

[Hamburger]

Thats why I think alot of people wont look at KY boys, their size. If they just had a shot they could probably make it, well not all of them but a few. Same thing with Chuck Hays, Small but would hussle

[TennisCAT23]

They're not many players like Chuck Hayes...a couple come to mind are Barkely and maybe Hicks from Cincinnati...Plus, Chuck was playing guys a lot bigger than anyone most KY boys would see in their high school career...I love cheering on my KY boys in the UK jersey but I feel as though Tubby does have a good sense when it comes to recruiting

[Hamburger]

Hes has had good success with gaurds but I cant say much about his big men

[TennisCAT23]

Morris, Hayes and Erik Daniels....Jason Parker if he didn't get hurt he would have been huge...Estill was really becoming a star before he made a wrong decision...I will agree that we have had trouble at the 4 since chuck left, but other than that Tubby has had some nice big men down low

[Statmaster]

If people keep complaining about the out of state players, then they may stop coming here. You all would be happy , but UK would never compete with the top teams any more. Kentucky boys (most not all) simply can't run and jump and play defense like the city boys. I agree, we need some shooters. And, Kentucky does produce shooters. But our shooters would have a hard time getting shots off against the tough city players.

[OffTheHook]

If people keep complaining about the out of state players, then they may stop coming here. You all would be happy , but UK would never compete with the top teams any more. Kentucky boys (most not all) simply can't run and jump and play defense like the city boys. I agree, we need some shooters. And, Kentucky does produce shooters. But our shooters would have a hard time getting shots off against the tough city players.


Maybe the 16th Region shooters would. But, the 15th Region wouldn't have any problem! LOL! Get back to work!

[Hamburger]

3 points is more than 2 points, so I would rather have a 3 than a dunk

[allthewayhome]

Rondo was better than Morris...

hahahahahahahahahahahaha good one

[Hamburger]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha good oneWho went to the NBA and who didnt

[allthewayhome]

Who went to the NBA and who didnt

hahahahahahahaha yeah i guess rondo went to the nba i think i said that but neither of them should of went to the nba early unless you average a double double but i still think morris is way better than rondo

[tomcatfan722000]

UK Being the NATIONS top program recruits the best players In the NATION now with that being said there is some very good talent in ky and as far as tubby not liking Ky boys anyone remember Antoine Barber (not sure if i spelled that right)

[OffTheHook]

UK Being the NATIONS top program recruits the best players In the NATION now with that being said there is some very good talent in ky and as far as tubby not liking Ky boys anyone remember Antoine Barber (not sure if i spelled that right)

Dumber than a rock! LOL! That's why he had to go JUCO before going D-1.

[tomcatfan722000]

First of all insulting a mans intelligence isnt needed and the point was that he was a ky boy that played for the big blue

[Tree_8]

What I get sick of is the recruiting of out of state boys who are permanent bench riders (ie Shegari Alleyene and others). Why not give scholarships to KY boys---even if they ride the bench they are still getting a scholarship to attend their state university. And I bet that wearing the blue and white might mean something to them!!!! Some of them might even turn out to be more than "bench riders". When I think of deserving KY boys who got passed over in the Tubby era it makes me sick!!!

could not have put it better myself....

[formerallamerican11]

I think it's Antwaun Barbour and he struggle at Kentucky. He could have went with Dan Langi from Western Ky who played at Vandy. I believe he was all SEC 2 or 3 years. Also don't get me wrong here but Scott Hundley also was a scrapper who would have played hard as H*ll in a UK uniform. Not an all american but would have game you the same effort as Ravi Moss. He could also hit his free throws.

[Doc Holliday]

ttt

[formerallamerican11]

Im not saying that its true but that is the way many college coachs feel.

I guess you have talked to all the coaches around the country. Do they really all feel this way about Ky boys?

[nasticus]

Here is the last 10 Mr. Basketball's, with the exception of Lofton (and who would have recruited him with Rondo, Crawford and Bradley coming) which ones could have made a big impact at Kentucky. That is why we don't recruit KY boys.
1996 Daymeon Fishback (Greenwood)
1997 Brandon Davenport (Owensboro)
1998 J. R. VanHoose (Paintsville)
1999 Rick Jones (Scott Co.)
2000 Scott Hundley (Scott Co.)
2001 Josh Carrier (Bowling Green)
2002 Brandon Stockton (Glasgow)
2003 Ross Neltner (Highlands)
2004 Chris Lofton (Mason County)
2005 Dominic Tilford (Jeffersontown)

[Subway Eater]

JR VanHoose and Scott Hundley both should have went to UK not Brandon Stockton

[nasticus]

JR VanHoose and Scott Hundley both should have went to UK not Brandon Stockton


I agree but the question is could they have been started and made an impact. I agree the prolly would have fit and been good role players.

[OffTheHook]

Here is the last 10 Mr. Basketball's, with the exception of Lofton (and who would have recruited him with Rondo, Crawford and Bradley coming) which ones could have made a big impact at Kentucky. That is why we don't recruit KY boys.
1996 Daymeon Fishback (Greenwood)
1997 Brandon Davenport (Owensboro)
1998 J. R. VanHoose (Paintsville)
1999 Rick Jones (Scott Co.)
2000 Scott Hundley (Scott Co.)
2001 Josh Carrier (Bowling Green)
2002 Brandon Stockton (Glasgow)
2003 Ross Neltner (Highlands)
2004 Chris Lofton (Mason County)
2005 Dominic Tilford (Jeffersontown)

No one is talking about the making a big impact. What we are all saying is put a few of them on the team. The impact you get is from their heart, desire and pride. They also remind the out of state boys what it means to wear that UNI they have on their backs. I would have taken VanHoose over any other big man they have had since 1998. Here is some food for thought:

If Kentucky would have taken VanHoose in 1998 for the 98-99 season. They could have Redshirted him due to his knee and talent that they already had at his position. Here are the guys UK had at the same position and near his size on those rosters:

98-99
Padgett - SR
Magloire -JR
Bradley - Transferred Following season
Camara - FR
(VanHoose REDSHIRTED) This is my senario

99-00
Stone -We all know thye deal with him
Camara - FR
Knight - ???
VanHoose - FR

00-01
Stone
Camara - SO
Parker -??
VanHoose - SO
Estill - FR - Good Player

01-02
Stone - I think he was in the proccess of going to UL this season.
E. Daniels - JR
Camara - JR
VanHoose - JR
Estill - SO

02-03
Camara - SR
E. Daniels - SR
Estill - JR
VanHoose - SR

I see no reason why he couldn't play with these guys.

[nasticus]

OK I'll concede you are right. Since you put it like that J.R. prolly would have not only played but maybe played alot.

[happyface]

The president of the school or the athletic director should step in because, when the coach is not from KY than he won't feel that KY feeling either, he won't understand what it means to a kid to wear the blue. So a coach not from KY will never factor that in, he'll only get KY players because he is being pressured and most players want to be wanted by UK and not taken because someone is doing them a favor.

[J. R. VanHoose]

Thanks for the compliments guys, I really appreciate it. Some food for thought here, when I played against Kentucky my senior season at Marshall, 2002, I had 16 points and 12 rebounds in a 90-73 loss (it was the 40th double-double of my career). In that game I was guarded by Stone, Camara, Estill, and Hayes. When I got taken out of the game with about 15 seconds in the game I got a standing ovation from the crowd! I guess I could have played there huh?

[nasticus]

The president of the school or the athletic director should step in because, when the coach is not from KY than he won't feel that KY feeling either, he won't understand what it means to a kid to wear the blue. So a coach not from KY will never factor that in, he'll only get KY players because he is being pressured and most players want to be wanted by UK and not taken because someone is doing them a favor.


Well if this is the case I think we may be out of luck, since barnhardt is not from KY, he prolly doesn't have KY in his heart. However I think that the next coach at Kentucky may be Travis Ford or John Pelphrey. Or maybe this is just my wishful thinking

[happyface]

Well if this is the case I think we may be out of luck, since barnhardt is not from KY, he prolly doesn't have KY in his heart. However I think that the next coach at Kentucky may be Travis Ford or John Pelphrey. Or maybe this is just my wishful thinking
If it is one of those guys maybe they will look harder at out top 10 to 15 players in the state. How tall is JR?

[nasticus]

I dunno. How tall are ya J.R.

[nasticus]

If it is one of those guys maybe they will look harder at out top 10 to 15 players in the state. How tall is JR?


I actually think he is bout 6"10 or so. Does anyone know what he is doing now, I know he was trying the developmental league. I have not heard anything after that.?

[OffTheHook]

Thanks for the compliments guys, I really appreciate it. Some food for thought here, when I played against Kentucky my senior season at Marshall, 2002, I had 16 points and 12 rebounds in a 90-73 loss (it was the 40th double-double of my career). In that game I was guarded by Stone, Camara, Estill, and Hayes. When I got taken out of the game with about 15 seconds in the game I got a standing ovation from the crowd! I guess I could have played there huh?

I know you could have. If you would have came in and Redshirted and got yourself healthy, I think you would have been a big part of that team. Once Padgett and them boys left, they have been weak at those positions since.

Also, You know why you got that standing "O"? Everybody in that gym knew you should have been wearing BLUE and they were just letting you know and letting Tubby know it too!:Thumbs:

[J. R. VanHoose]

I dunno. How tall are ya J.R.

6'9" in my gym shoes, 6'10" in my lugz casual shoes. I guess you could say 6'9" since I don't play ball in my lugz (there are too heavy - size 17!!)

[J. R. VanHoose]

I actually think he is bout 6"10 or so. Does anyone know what he is doing now, I know he was trying the developmental league. I have not heard anything after that.?

I played in the D-League in 2002, got cut and beacme a teacher. Started playing professional again in the International Basketball League (IBL) last season (2006) and re-signed with my team (West Virginia Wild) again for the upcoming season (2007). Last season I averaged 26.8 ppg (finished 6th in the league in scoring), 15.5 rpg, was named an IBL Eastern Conference All-Star, and one of ProBasketballNews.com's Top 20 Minor League Players in the United States during the Spring/Summer Season (#18). If you would like to know more about the league and my team check out the IBL's Offical Website at:

http://www.iblhoopsonline.com/

[J. R. VanHoose]

Also, You know why you got that standing "O"? Everybody in that gym knew you should have been wearing BLUE and they were just letting you know and letting Tubby know it too!:Thumbs:

Thanks, it is a great memory and I got some good pictures from it too!!!

[OffTheHook]

Anymore news on a game in Paintsville?

[BIGBLACK]

Here are some quick facts I saw on the Wild's website about JR. www.westvirginiawildhoops.com

Position PF ·C Height 6' 9" Weight 265 Home Town Paintsville, KY Year 2nd Year

Formally the Kentucky player of the year.
Also a former Marshall University star. J.R, last played in N. Charleston, SC in the NBA minor league. J.R. was the second player in Marshall history to have 1000 points and 1000 rebounds.
Most career Double Doubles in the nation since 1995.
4-time all Mid- American Conference

Those stats speak for themselves. No doubt in my mind that JR could've played for UK.

[pikevillepanther#11]

Tubby hasent done a good job with recruiting in a couple of years like when he got Shagari Allene hes failin so he was no help to the wildcata

[Estaban Esteves]

wow..interestin dont keep up much on that but yea they should..ive seen some good individuals from Ky

[J. R. VanHoose]

You guys know I love stats so here are some more to think about on this subject:

Daymeon Fishback (Auburn): KY Mr. Basketball 1996, last played professional ball in the NBDL in 2001.

Dan Langhi (Vanderbilt): 1st Team All-State 1996, played three seasons (I think) in the NBA, currently playing this season in Japan.

Lamont Barnes (Temple): 1st Team All-State 1996, played last season in Bulgaria.

Isiah Victor (Tennessee): 1st Team All-State 1996, currently playing this season in Italy.

Jaron Brown (Pitt): 1st Team All-State 1998, last played pro ball in 2005 in the CBA.

David Graves (Notre Dame): 1st Team All-State 1998, last played pro ball in 2005 in Spain.

Harold Swanagan (Notre Dame): 1st Team All-State 1998, currently playing in the same pro league I play in, the IBL.

Derek Robinson (Western Kentucky): Class of 1998, currently playing pro ball in Germany.

I am sure that there others and if I have time I will check, but I thought these were pretty good to go to college elsewhere!!!!

[BIGBLACK]

Swanagan was a beast. He was very physical and strong as an ox. During the championship game of the 1998 All "A" he broke the rim at EKU on one of his dunks. Coming out of high school I thought he was more physically ready to compete than the Estill boy. Estill sat out his first year at UK coming off of foot surgery and trying to get him into shape because he was overweight by UK's standards.

[Hamburger]

JR must not have been that good since Tubby didnt get him.

[ValleyDweller25]

Not One Thing!!

[PLAYBOY5]

Agree!

[OffTheHook]

Year in and year out you put Kentucky's best high school team against other states and just see if they win 30% of their games...face it

Tell that to the boys from Scott Co. after beating the #1 Team in the Country! We have the talent here. It just gets over looked for the flashy ones. OJ looked human the other night.

[The Fan]

the kid from Scott Co ( his name escapes me ) that is going to Indiana but isnt good enough for UK hung 20 on Huntington last night

[Charlie]

the kid from Scott Co ( his name escapes me ) that is going to Indiana but isnt good enough for UK hung 20 on Huntington last night

Bud Mackey

[OffTheHook]

Great Player.

[Arbys Man]

the kid from Scott Co ( his name escapes me ) that is going to Indiana but isnt good enough for UK hung 20 on Huntington last nightHe must be a smart player to go to Indiana and not to fool with UK.

[happyface]

Kentucky wanted him but he wanted to go to Indiana

[the_truth]

Hicks nor Stepp have the athleticism to play at the same level with Bradley. I don't always agree with some of Bradley's floor decisions, but the two players you mentioned are not in his category.


I agree with you. Hicks and Stepp wouldn't last in D-1 basketball, and I would take Bradley over those 2. Hicks and Stepp will probably play college basketball, Stepp definitely will because he puts up 30 points in offense that has him shooting 90% of the shots. Hicks might play college, it's untelling because you hear about all these great basketball stars going to move on and you can see 10 at HCC. Neither one will play D-1 basketball and if it is, then its a very, very small college that no one has hardly heard of or Morehead State.

[Arbys Man]

I agree with you. Hicks and Stepp wouldn't last in D-1 basketball, and I would take Bradley over those 2. Hicks and Stepp will probably play college basketball, Stepp definitely will because he puts up 30 points in offense that has him shooting 90% of the shots. Hicks might play college, it's untelling because you hear about all these great basketball stars going to move on and you can see 10 at HCC. Neither one will play D-1 basketball and if it is, then its a very, very small college that no one has hardly heard of or Morehead State.Both of them players WILL play D-1, I know that for a fact. I would take Stepp or Hicks over Bradley anyday. This is teamball not STREETBALL

[BlackcatAlum]

Hicks or Stepp will not play D1 College Ball. They'll both end up playing for a local D3 or NAIA school.

[Arbys Man]

Hicks or Stepp will not play D1 College Ball. They'll both end up playing for a local D3 or NAIA school.Are you from the 15th? Im not from the 14th and I know better than that. I can really see Stepp or Hicks playing in NAIA!:lmao:

[BlackcatAlum]

Are you from the 15th? Im not from the 14th and I know better than that. I can really see Stepp or Hicks playing in NAIA!:lmao:

Give me an Excuse why there D-1 talent? Besides that they can shoot. Anyone can shoot a ball!

[Arbys Man]

Give me an Excuse why there D-1 talent? Besides that they can shoot. Anyone can shoot a ball!If anyone can shoot the ball then why are we just talking about Hicks and Stepp? If you can put the ball in the hole then you dont need another excuse. If Hicks or Stepp had Teammates like Scott County than it would be impossible to stop them, but since they dont they have to try to do it themselves.

[JustTrying]

Stepp isn't that good.

[formerallamerican11]

If either one of these kids make it D1 they will transfer back to a small school. Jody Thompson was better than both of them and he came back. Some of you guys must not know what playing college is all about. I'm not a Bradley fan but do you honestly think either one could take Bradley. The difference between D1 and NAIA, D2 or D3 is not being able to shoot the ball it's size and speed and neither player has that.

[Arbys Man]

If either one of these kids make it D1 they will transfer back to a small school. Jody Thompson was better than both of them and he came back. Some of you guys must not know what playing college is all about. I'm not a Bradley fan but do you honestly think either one could take Bradley. The difference between D1 and NAIA, D2 or D3 is not being able to shoot the ball it's size and speed and neither player has that.Epps,Ford,Turner,Mills not one of those players were tall or fast. A true PG leads his team and makes smart decisions. Being Fast, Tall, or a good shooter dont have nothing to do with being a great PG. Hicks is one of the Smartest Basketball players I have seen in a long time. If he had good teammates that could put the ball in the hole he wouldnt have to shoot a lot.

[BlackcatAlum]

If anyone can shoot the ball then why are we just talking about Hicks and Stepp? If you can put the ball in the hole then you dont need another excuse. If Hicks or Stepp had Teammates like Scott County than it would be impossible to stop them, but since they dont they have to try to do it themselves.

I agree with the final statement you made but, if you can put the ball in the hole, than thats just one of the steps that you have to know. Of course theres dribbling, and passing, but thats almost a god given. Both Stepp and Hicks are guards, and one of the things a guard should know how to do is make other players around them better, and help them contribute to the game. Both of these players are good, and theres no doubt about that. But I'm not very familier with JBS, but I seen the game where JBS and Hazard played in the wymt classic and, Hicks didn't do much of anything in that game. And if I can recall right Clark Stepp didn't contribute much in that game either. It was Tate Cox for JBS, and the Williams guy from Hazard.

[formerallamerican11]

Epps,Ford,Turner,Mills not one of those players were tall or fast. A true PG leads his team and makes smart decisions. Being Fast, Tall, or a good shooter dont have nothing to do with being a great PG. Hicks is one of the Smartest Basketball players I have seen in a long time. If he had good teammates that could put the ball in the hole he wouldnt have to shoot a lot.

I played against Epps and Mills and played on the same team with Mills during the Ky/Indiana all star tryouts. They both had something about them that made them differnt. MIills was 6'5 and he was a walk on Epps 6'2 and was a proven winner at the state tourney against the best Ky had to offer. I also played with Scott Padgett who I thought would never make it so much for what I know. But JP Blevins and Stockton were great high school leaders who never really done anything. Stockton Mr. Basketball that year and Blevins can't remember if he won it or not but was at the top of the voting. Stepp or Hicks won't even be considered IMO.

[Arbys Man]

I played against Epps and Mills and played on the same team with Mills during the Ky/Indiana all star tryouts. They both had something about them that made them differnt. MIills was 6'5 and he was a walk on Epps 6'2 and was a proven winner at the state tourney against the best Ky had to offer. I also played with Scott Padgett who I thought would never make it so much for what I know. But JP Blevins and Stockton were great high school leaders who never really done anything. Stockton Mr. Basketball that year and Blevins can't remember if he won it or not but was at the top of the voting. Stepp or Hicks won't even be considered IMO.Ill agree with that ya Stepp or Hicks wont be considered but if a D1 school would give them a chance then they would get to play

[Arbys Man]

I agree with the final statement you made but, if you can put the ball in the hole, than thats just one of the steps that you have to know. Of course theres dribbling, and passing, but thats almost a god given. Both Stepp and Hicks are guards, and one of the things a guard should know how to do is make other players around them better, and help them contribute to the game. Both of these players are good, and theres no doubt about that. But I'm not very familier with JBS, but I seen the game where JBS and Hazard played in the wymt classic and, Hicks didn't do much of anything in that game. And if I can recall right Clark Stepp didn't contribute much in that game either. It was Tate Cox for JBS, and the Williams guy from Hazard.So you based your opinion on 1 game. Michael Jordan even had a few bad games. I mean come on, You know if Scott County's Head Coach asked Hicks to come play for him, you know hes good.

[Creeker]

Take a look at this... this should be a good indicator of Tubby's recruiting skills: http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=1439

Top 25 Point Guards in the Nation at this point... Kentucky isn't even on the list anywhere... with the exception of being in the running for Jai Lucas.

[Creeker]

Same goes for Top 25 Shooting guards, Centers, and KY is not even on the list for the TOP 45 SMALL FORWARDS... and finally reaches the list for Power forwards... this is sad: http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=1438

[HazzBeen]

Epps,Ford,Turner,Mills not one of those players were tall or fast. A true PG leads his team and makes smart decisions. Being Fast, Tall, or a good shooter dont have nothing to do with being a great PG. Hicks is one of the Smartest Basketball players I have seen in a long time. If he had good teammates that could put the ball in the hole he wouldnt have to shoot a lot.

So you are saying Wayne Turner wasn't fast? You must not remember the same Turner as me. Shooter? No way. Speed? Yes sir!

[xCP4x]

Tubby can't recruit, end of story.

[CumberlandFan_24]

Sparks Transfered to UK....Also when Rondo or Bradley did summin wrong, Tubby didnt do anything, If Sparks did the samething he gets jerked out of the game...Orbziut, Alleyene or whatever his name was, Even Carter....Get sum boys out of Eastern KY that can shoot the 3 ball

sparks is the best 3 shooter ive seen n a long while plus very very clutch and on the alleyene thing it was tubbys fault he didnt suceed because he waited way to late to try to mould him at 7'3 n barely over 260 u need to get him liftin and eatin

[Arbys Man]

I think no kentucky boy would have made the same mistake that Thomas did.

[Old school Dawg]

ARBYS man did you see where Tubby took the blame for Thomas,s blunder for telling him to move?

[Arbys Man]

ARBYS man did you see where Tubby took the blame for Thomas,s blunder for telling him to move?Yea I sure did. You cant blame it all on Tubby tho. Thomas should have been aware of that. Not just running around like a chicken with his head cutt off.