Priorities:10 Commandments/Rebel Flag?

[Doc Holliday]

Food for thought.

All the posts and comments in the paper, TV, and Radio about the Rebel flag was brought up today by a co-worker of mine. He said the thing that bothered him most was all the yelling about the flag,when no one went protesting to the board, had a ralley or sold tee shirts when they removed The Ten Commandments from our schools.

I really didnt know what to say, I had never even given it any thought. I said "Wow thats the best comment that I have heard about the whole issue". Priorities are wacked, to say the least.

The courts found the 10 Commandments offensive and unconstitutional because of seperation of church and state. So all it really took was one simple complaint, one person felt that it threatened the way they wanted their child to be educated free of religious influence . Where is the common sense in this, we argue about our history, our heritage, being taken from us, and we allows are morals to be taken down packed up and put away and no one really raised a fuss.

Ten Commandments displays violate the First Amendment because they have both the purpose and effect of government endorsement of religion.

Through the years, the courts have determined that in order for a government action to be constitutional, it must have a secular purpose and not endorse religion. A violation of either principle means the action violates the First Amendment.


Now before I get bashed I dont care one way or the other if AC gets to keep its flag or lose it, I have no problem with the stars and bars. I dont find it offensive or disturbing.

I just wish I would see the kind of passion that the flag supporters have shown, for something that carries a little more weight than a mascot.


JMO

Doc

[Old school Dawg]

Doc the Ten commandments would be a far more important issue than a mascot that its not even comparable.Fighting for the rebel flag is something I wouldnt waste a second of my time for.I am from the north and had no family that I know of that fought for the south but for those who did dont get your panties in a wad over what I have said.

[Hamburger]

I dont see why everyone is getting so upset about this. Go to a private school

[Doc Holliday]

Not everyone can afford to attend a private school.
The topic is not about private schools its about the apathy of people and what we view as important. Why we get in an uproar for somethings and then do nothing about others.

[Old school Dawg]

Doc People sure have their priorities all messed up.Go to a private school?Head lobsta,,,did you read the thread wrong,,gee whiz doc where do they come from?hehe :rolleyes:

[PLAYBOY5]

Just wish America could be America again..@!

[Old school Dawg]

That wouldnt be politically correct Playboy.One of Clinton,s legacy was his politically correct style,,, which I dispised.

[Doc Holliday]

We live in a "this minute world" where we have only short blurbs, with little detail.
Some people have grown up with soundbites and they tend to look at high points, then again some just don't get it.

[DTfan]

I think the issue over the Rebel Flag hits the heart so to say because it tugs at ACHS/ACMS Faculty, Students and Alumni. For them the flag means more than our usual history lesson, it's about school pride and for the Alumni, it's about their memories there and that's something that will always connect those groups of people. As with the Ten Commandments, when it was taken away more people were obviousally affected by it but I think it is probably one of those types of things that people just don't really protest about seeing how it is a Federal Act and most people in the US today live in fear as sad as it is. Alot of people are afraid of protesting against our government and they don't feel as if they can trust the government, which is extremely sad. I just think the issue with the Ten Commandments is more of a hush-hush issue simply because the Federal Government is in on it and another factor that may be included in it is that because it's a Federal Issue someone would have to start up a petition, get signatures and then take on Capitol Hill just to do anythuing about it and in my opinion, people in this country are too darn lazy to put in that much work.

[thetribe]

As with the Ten Commandments, when it was taken away more people were obviousally affected by it but I think it is probably one of those types of things that people just don't really protest about seeing how it is a Federal Act...

I just think the issue with the Ten Commandments is more of a hush-hush issue simply because the Federal Government is in on it and another factor that may be included in it is that because it's a Federal Issue someone would have to start up a petition, get signatures and then take on Capitol Hill just to do anythuing about it and in my opinion, people in this country are too darn lazy to put in that much work.

The Ten Commandments became the government's issue when people brought it up as an issue, just like the flag. They didn't sit around and think of themselves. People get their feathers ruffled over all parts of religion and schools and that's when it is removed. People protest over decisions by the federal government all the time.

It wasn't hush-hush because the government was in on it. People did petition, put up signs in their yards, rebelled and kept them up in government buildings and other places.

My point is, the rebel flag issue could go to the government and become a federal issue just as easily as the Ten Commandments did. They could put a ban on rebel flags and rebels as school mascots and such.

It's a toss up on which people would protest more, I just wanted to point out that just because the government is included in something doesn't mean that people just sit back and take it. They try, doesn't mean that they are always heard but they do try.

[Doc Holliday]

As always a wonderful Post Tribe.

[Old school Dawg]

Tribe your smarter than the average bear.

[DTfan]

The Ten Commandments became the government's issue when people brought it up as an issue, just like the flag. They didn't sit around and think of themselves. People get their feathers ruffled over all parts of religion and schools and that's when it is removed. People protest over decisions by the federal government all the time.

It wasn't hush-hush because the government was in on it. People did petition, put up signs in their yards, rebelled and kept them up in government buildings and other places.

My point is, the rebel flag issue could go to the government and become a federal issue just as easily as the Ten Commandments did. They could put a ban on rebel flags and rebels as school mascots and such.

It's a toss up on which people would protest more, I just wanted to point out that just because the government is included in something doesn't mean that people just sit back and take it. They try, doesn't mean that they are always heard but they do try.



That was just MY opinion, I'm sorry if it wasn't completely correct or accurate. As with anyones opinions, other people can always find some kind of flaw in them. I'm not into politics nor do I personally care therefore, I do not have much information about the issues being discussed here. As for people protesting everything, I guess that's what America get's for being one big melting pot.

[Doc Holliday]

And I want your opinion DT Fan, just as much as anyone elses.

Do you really think we are a melting pot today?

The reason I ask is when I grew up, people came to America to become Americans.

Not Native American, latino Americans, African Americans, Italian Americans or Asian Americans. Today we seem to no long identify ourselves just as Americans, we want belong to groups.

We as a Nation changed, I don't know if for better or for worse.

I only know that when I went to school, if you were from another country when you came here, you learned English, American customs, and adapted to the American way of life.

NowI am not sure I really know what I am. I come from no ethnic group to my knowledge, our records show that my ancesters came from North of England.

Today I guess Im just a white anglo saxon baptist, but when I was in grade school I was simply an American.

[DTfan]

In a way I guess we are still a melting pot, just maybe more melted than what we use to be if that makes sense. Alot of people today are in touch with where they came from, such as Asia or Mexico. The way I see it those are just names to classify each ethnic group. We have a very diverse population with people from just about each and every country you can find on the earth. Along with that comes their customs and their different religions. I see nothing wrong with that, I think it's good to be expose to people who's much different than you that way you can learn from them. It does become a problem when we have all these groups fighting with each other, which is not something we had in the past. I just kind of feel as if today more people are trying to force people to accept their religion or their belifes even if it's not what the other person whats and defintally causes problems.

My history professor made an interesting comparison the other morning in class. He was discussing the war between the North and South, when the North won they had places military personel in the South to I guess help them during the Reconstruction. He mentioned how the white men in the South hated that they were being controlled and they felt like they didn't have freedom becuase they were kind of invaded by the North. Also, the Government placed ex-slaves in political offices which obviousally outraged the white Southern males. Resulting in rivolts, the development of the Democratic Party and unfortunally the Ku Klux Klan to carry out terrorist acts on blacks and Republicans. Keep in mind the South did this to gain back the power they had lost over their states after the war, which they eventually did. He made the connection to what I just discussed to what we're doing now in Iraq. We're over there helping them rebuild and they don't like it so they are doing what the KKK did in the South, carrying out terrorist acts in order to gain control over their country back.

I know that was probably completely off point but I thoyught it was quite interesting because once you start to think about it, you realize that it's exactly the same situtation only occuring in different areas.

[Doc Holliday]

Well tell your prof that there are a few huge differences.

Klan members were not brought up hating white christians.

Klan members were never taught that if they died while killing the infidels that they would receive 70 virgins in heaven.

Klan members only blow themselves up while trying to put a pipe bomb together.

He may get a kick out of that. Then again he may not.

[The Fan]

You never hear the black players at Ole Miss say anything about there mascot he waves that flag all the time at games

[ACE_21]

The Ten Commandments became the government's issue when people brought it up as an issue, just like the flag. They didn't sit around and think of themselves. People get their feathers ruffled over all parts of religion and schools and that's when it is removed. People protest over decisions by the federal government all the time.

It wasn't hush-hush because the government was in on it. People did petition, put up signs in their yards, rebelled and kept them up in government buildings and other places.

My point is, the rebel flag issue could go to the government and become a federal issue just as easily as the Ten Commandments did. They could put a ban on rebel flags and rebels as school mascots and such.

It's a toss up on which people would protest more, I just wanted to point out that just because the government is included in something doesn't mean that people just sit back and take it. They try, doesn't mean that they are always heard but they do try.

Personally, I think DTfan was saying that he/she has seen more people petition (stand up for) the rebel flag around here than the 10 commandments, or at least thats what I think because its true. Around here I've heard more talking about the rebel flag being banned or whateer than the 10 commandments when that issue came up.

[DTfan]

Well tell your prof that there are a few huge differences.

Klan members were not brought up hating white christians.

Klan members were never taught that if they died while killing the infidels that they would receive 70 virgins in heaven.

Klan members only blow themselves up while trying to put a pipe bomb together.

He may get a kick out of that. Then again he may not.

I don't think he meant that the two issues were exactly alike but had those interesting similarities.