Tubby needs to leave

[braves_fan_10]

This man is a great coach and deserves better than what he is getting at UK. I would hate to see this man leave, but it would be a fantastic career decision for him. Then he could go somewhere were fans dont act like they have to win the National Championship every year, and they would treat him much better. Everyone knows what a great coach he is, that is everyone except the UK fans. So please Tubby just go somewhere else and get away from here because you dont need this criticism.

[bizmark]

well when youcoach at UK you have to be able to do a little better then 2nd round of the ncaa. c'mon man do u watch kentucky, do u really watch em. kentucky is the greatest program in ncaa history and you think its ok for somebody to come in and have 5 10+ loss seasons and choke every year in the tournament. different players come and go every year and the song remains the same, tubby can not coach at UK. the guy is justnot cut out for it and he needs to leave.

[SportsFan80]

No one is asking Tubbby to win the championship every year, we would just like to see them make it farther than the second round of the tournament and to get back to contending in the SEC. We arent stupid enough to think that they can win it every year but this 10 loss, early tournament exiting stuff has got to end.

[14thregionallstate]

ok tubby has did a great job at uk....and duke this year was put out first round....DOES DUKE FANS SAY COACH K WE DONT WANT U HERE ANYMORE??????i dont think so......tubby will be at uk next year MARK THAT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thecavemaster]

ok tubby has did a great job at uk....and duke this year was put out first round....DOES DUKE FANS SAY COACH K WE DONT WANT U HERE ANYMORE??????i dont think so......tubby will be at uk next year MARK THAT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey, 14thregionallstate, do you not sense the
direction of the UK program? OTS is NOT
bringing in the kind of talent that it takes
to be an elite program. Tennessee is. Florida
is. Kansas is. North Carolina is. UCLA is.
Four of Tennessee's top eight are freshmen.
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!!!

[braves_fan_10]

ok tubby has did a great job at uk....and duke this year was put out first round....DOES DUKE FANS SAY COACH K WE DONT WANT U HERE ANYMORE??????i dont think so......tubby will be at uk next year MARK THAT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I couldnt agree with you more.

[FBALL]

Hey, 14thregionallstate, do you not sense the
direction of the UK program? OTS is NOT
bringing in the kind of talent that it takes
to be an elite program. Tennessee is. Florida
is. Kansas is. North Carolina is. UCLA is.
Four of Tennessee's top eight are freshmen.
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE!!!
Three McDonalds All Americans in the junior class. IF ( and it was close) Hansbrough and Wright had committed UK would be a number one seed. I don't like the if game either but since it is played in a negative way so much on hear I will do it.

Recruiting is a fine line. Two near misses can deplete a roster. Does Tubby need some recruiting success now? Yes. Has it been a complete disaster? No. The sky is not falling Chicken little.

Tubby should leave on his own accord. Giving the number one sign on his way out of town. It would serve some of the UK faithful right to have to suffer through that rebuilding process should it happen.

[bizmark]

ok tubby has did a great job at uk....and duke this year was put out first round....DOES DUKE FANS SAY COACH K WE DONT WANT U HERE ANYMORE??????i dont think so......tubby will be at uk next year MARK THAT DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

how many times do i have to say this. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN 8 YEARS THAT DUKE HASNT MADE IT TO THE SWEET 16. coach k repeadedly gets to the elite 8 and final 4. tubby doesnt do this stuff. so i have 1 question to all of u tubby supporters out there........

WHAT IN THE WORLD HAS TUBBY DONE THAT MAKES THIS GUY SO GOOD?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

can you people answer that?

[bizmark]

Three McDonalds All Americans in the junior class. IF ( and it was close) Hansbrough and Wright had committed UK would be a number one seed. I don't like the if game either but since it is played in a negative way so much on hear I will do it.

Recruiting is a fine line. Two near misses can deplete a roster. Does Tubby need some recruiting success now? Yes. Has it been a complete disaster? No. The sky is not falling Chicken little.

Tubby should leave on his own accord. Giving the number one sign on his way out of town. It would serve some of the UK faithful right to have to suffer through that rebuilding process should it happen.

well if this aint rebuilding then we just flat out cant play basketball anymore

[14thregionallstate]

how many times do i have to say this. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN 8 YEARS THAT DUKE HASNT MADE IT TO THE SWEET 16. coach k repeadedly gets to the elite 8 and final 4. tubby doesnt do this stuff. so i have 1 question to all of u tubby supporters out there........

WHAT IN THE WORLD HAS TUBBY DONE THAT MAKES THIS GUY SO GOOD?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

can you people answer that?

i understand that and coach k is the greatest coach in college basketball......he could ahve 5 loss season and he will still be there....What has tubby done????? he has 5 sec titles, 1 nation title, overall record 241-71.... and had 6 sweet 16 finishes in 8 seasons...this guy is a good coach get over it!!!!!!

[FBALL]

well if this aint rebuilding then we just flat out cant play basketball anymore
You aren't old enough to remember what shape Sutton had the program in. That was a complete rebuild. This is a down cycle in recruiting. If Tubby leaves it will be a rough road for alot of UK fans. And one they probably deserve to bounce down.

[SportsFan80]

I can answer that Bizmark. NOT A THING!!!!! Ok, so he won a championship and and some SEC titles and so on and so forth. That was in his early years here at UK. Need I remind you people that the players on that championship team were recruited by Pitino, all Tubby did was sit back and watch them play and win. Thats it. He hasnt done a lot since then. Besides lose 10+ games in 5 of those years. The only thing that kept him from being worse is he got lucky in finding Prince, Hayes and a few others. Open your eyes UK fans, the program is on a downward spiral with Tubby guiding the way.

[bizmark]

i understand that and coach k is the greatest coach in college basketball......he could ahve 5 loss season and he will still be there....What has tubby done????? he has 5 sec titles, 1 nation title, overall record 241-71.... and had 6 sweet 16 finishes in 8 seasons...this guy is a good coach get over it!!!!!!

and hes also played on thursday of the sec tourney the last two seasons. uk didnt know there were games played on thursday until last year. and forget his sweet 16s, what have ya done for me lately tubby? nothin but choke.

[bizmark]

You aren't old enough to remember what shape Sutton had the program in. That was a complete rebuild. This is a down cycle in recruiting. If Tubby leaves it will be a rough road for alot of UK fans. And one they probably deserve to bounce down.

sutton? they were on probation man what do u expect?

[FBALL]

sutton? they were on probation man what do u expect?
Who do you think got them put on probation?

Sutton took over after another coach (Joe B. Hall) who the UK faithful never accepted had finally had enough and called it quits.

[bizmark]

sutton

[FBALL]

Yep.

[bizmark]

i uderstand that but i think that we just need some new blood in kentucky. players obviously cant play his style of ball and it aint workin. everybody knows where i stand on this now so im done. you wont see me post on another tubby smith thread

[FBALL]

i uderstand that but i think that we just need some new blood in kentucky. players obviously cant play his style of ball and it aint workin. everybody knows where i stand on this now so im done. you wont see me post on another tubby smith thread
Kentucky may get new blood. I'm am suprised Tubby has lasted this long. Many never wanted him in the first place. I think he is a good coach and can recruit. With that said there have been some mistakes made but that happens everywhere.

If people have a problem with certain things that Tubby does I don't have a problem with it. If you want to say the "ball line defense" really hurt against Kasas, Florida and Vandy because it is hard to close out on the shooters then fine. I can understand that. But I cannot stand the people that have always hated Tubby just because he was not Pitino. Or because of the color of his skin. There are alot of both out there.

[Benchwarmer]

I can answer that Bizmark. NOT A THING!!!!! Ok, so he won a championship and and some SEC titles and so on and so forth. That was in his early years here at UK. Need I remind you people that the players on that championship team were recruited by Pitino, all Tubby did was sit back and watch them play and win. Thats it. He hasnt done a lot since then. Besides lose 10+ games in 5 of those years. The only thing that kept him from being worse is he got lucky in finding Prince, Hayes and a few others. Open your eyes UK fans, the program is on a downward spiral with Tubby guiding the way.

For all it's worth. Why did Tubby win the National Championship with Pitinos players, when Pitino didn't win it with them the year before.

[DevilsWin]

Kentucky may get new blood. I'm am suprised Tubby has lasted this long. Many never wanted him in the first place. I think he is a good coach and can recruit. With that said there have been some mistakes made but that happens everywhere.

If people have a problem with certain things that Tubby does I don't have a problem with it. If you want to say the "ball line defense" really hurt against Kasas, Florida and Vandy because it is hard to close out on the shooters then fine. I can understand that. But I cannot stand the people that have always hated Tubby just because he was not Pitino. Or because of the color of his skin. There are alot of both out there.

I agree totally with FBALL.
I have said before. But before this year I have been the only one amongst most people I watch UK with that didn't criticise Tubby.
I'll go on record now and just say, I just want UK to get back to winning. How bout a SEC Reg Season title or a SEC Tourney title. Maybe even a Sweet 16 win in the NCAA. I could care less about Rankings RPI or tournament seeding.
(UK hasn't cut a net down in so long they couldn't find a pair of scissors. )
Like the ole sayin' goes, "Just Win Baby". But most importantly, when it counts.
UK has lots of talent but they are young. I say if Tubby can figure out what the problems are and solve them, they can win when it counts.

I also agree with Bizmark a little. If Tubby can't get kids to produce trophies anymore because of his style of play we gotta have new blood.

I loved Joe B Hall, respected Eddie Sutton, Heralded Pitino and Admired Coach Smith.

Anyway's...
Go Big BLUE!! C----A----T----S CATS CATS CATS! FIGHT LIKE HE!!!!!!!!!

[IBLEEDBLUE23]

Ok so lets say that Tubby leaves....Who are we going to get? I dont see Coach K leaving Duke, Izzo leaving Michigan State, Donovan leaving FLorida, Williams leaving UNC..etc....Tubby has won at every school he has coached...Dean Smith has only won 2 NCAA championships at UNC....and they were 19 years apart....Do you think that UNC even considered firing him? I think not...UK's fans are ignorant when it comes to the history of college basketball...I love UK basketball with all of my heart and people like you are ruining the great name and tradition that is UK basketball...Everybody is on Pitino's still....Do you not remember that he sold out for the big dollars of the NBA...I have the answer...We should hire John Wodden...He might be pushing the century mark but he is the best coach alive....

[Gorn]

how many times do i have to say this. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IN 8 YEARS THAT DUKE HASNT MADE IT TO THE SWEET 16. coach k repeadedly gets to the elite 8 and final 4. tubby doesnt do this stuff. so i have 1 question to all of u tubby supporters out there........

WHAT IN THE WORLD HAS TUBBY DONE THAT MAKES THIS GUY SO GOOD?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

can you people answer that?

Go google Tubby Smiths stats, then you'll see.

[Gorn]

I can answer that Bizmark. NOT A THING!!!!! Ok, so he won a championship and and some SEC titles and so on and so forth. That was in his early years here at UK. Need I remind you people that the players on that championship team were recruited by Pitino, all Tubby did was sit back and watch them play and win. Thats it. He hasnt done a lot since then. Besides lose 10+ games in 5 of those years. The only thing that kept him from being worse is he got lucky in finding Prince, Hayes and a few others. Open your eyes UK fans, the program is on a downward spiral with Tubby guiding the way.

You're not saying that was Pitinos team, are you?
Pitino lost three of his starters that he couldn't win the National Championship with the year before.

[Gorn]

For all it's worth. Why did Tubby win the National Championship with Pitinos players, when Pitino didn't win it with them the year before.

Exactly.

[braves_fan_10]

You're not saying that was Pitinos team, are you?
Pitino lost three of his starters that he couldn't win the National Championship with the year before.
Thats a very good point GORN. SportsFan you really need to start watching UK basketball and actually keep up with it before you get on here and talk about them.

[FOX SPORTS]

Thats a very good point GORN. SportsFan you really need to start watching UK basketball and actually keep up with it before you get on here and talk about them.
Let's remember ALL opinions are welcome here, even if they disagree with you.

[braves_fan_10]

Let's remember ALL opinions are welcome here, even if they disagree with you.
I'm not mad because he disagreed with me...i'm just mad because he doesent have better stats to prove his opinion.

[Coach_Owens87]

The rumor going around is that Rigot and Hansen are both on their way out. Hobbs may leave because of health issues, or could possible move to another position on the team. Some rumors are even stating that Scott Padgett and Derek Anderson are being considered for positions on the staff. ( I hope this doesn't happen, but they could be great for recruiting) IMO Rigot and Hansen are gone for sure. I would guess that Hobbs will stay unless he decides to step down, Tubby and Hobbs are to close, I don't think Tubby would agree with Hobbs being forced out.

[ComeFlyWithMe]

I've heard from numerous people today that Tubby is gone within the next week and that Billy Gillespie is in! Also, that Tubby is going to Michigan.

[FBALL]

The Michigan thing was concocted by Andy Katz. Nothing but trying to create a story.

Gillespie is still in the sweet 16 and hasn't had time to discuss anything about other jobs than A&M.

[moofer]

I can answer that Bizmark. NOT A THING!!!!! Ok, so he won a championship and and some SEC titles and so on and so forth. That was in his early years here at UK. Need I remind you people that the players on that championship team were recruited by Pitino, all Tubby did was sit back and watch them play and win. Thats it. He hasnt done a lot since then. Besides lose 10+ games in 5 of those years. The only thing that kept him from being worse is he got lucky in finding Prince, Hayes and a few others. Open your eyes UK fans, the program is on a downward spiral with Tubby guiding the way.
OK so Pitino recruited those players, but Tubby coached them. And that team, the Comeback Cats had to have some good coaching to get that name. After no one ever mentions that this team wasn't suppose to be that good and how they over-achieved. Must have been some good coaching somewhere. How come I never see anyone from North Carolina saying that Roy Williams won with MAtt Dougherty's players.

[DevilsWin]

How come I never see anyone from North Carolina saying that Roy Williams won with MAtt Dougherty's players.

Because most all of us are in Kentucky, those that aren't are from Kentucky.

[braves_fan_10]

Because most all of us are in Kentucky, those that aren't are from Kentucky.
That and UNC fans arent as dumb as UK fans....and what i mean by that is they stay behind there coach and support him, which is nothing like UK fans.UNC fans dont live in the past like UK fans and they are more loyal to there program than UK fans.

[bizmark]

That and UNC fans arent as dumb as UK fans....and what i mean by that is they stay behind there coach and support him, which is nothing like UK fans.UNC fans dont live in the past like UK fans and they are more loyal to there program than UK fans.

i said i wouldnt post on anymore tubby threads but i have to here. its the coach people disagree with, not the program there big guy. your close to brain dead if you think we dont support the program. trust me, i watched the kansas game with DevilsWin and you aint gonna be able to tell me that he dont love UK. we all support the program and that is why we want to see them win. during a game you wont here us dissing tubby, just cheering on the CATS! its afterwards when we get mad about the outcome of games but dont say that we dont support the program.

[Arbys Man]

Tubby is just great. lol

[FBALL]

That and UNC fans arent as dumb as UK fans....and what i mean by that is they stay behind there coach and support him, which is nothing like UK fans.UNC fans dont live in the past like UK fans and they are more loyal to there program than UK fans.
UNC fans are exactly like UK fans. They feel they are entitled to being the best just because of the name on the Jersey.

[thecavemaster]

UNC fans are exactly like UK fans. They feel they are entitled to being the best just because of the name on the Jersey.

The name on the jersey means something at programs
that have possessed elite status over the long haul.
The name on the jersey means something to out of state
recruits who come to a university.
The name on the jersey represents something, just like
the flag represents something.
FBALL, is your contention that the UK program is not
in a steady decline in recruiting, in prestige, in
results? If that is your thesis, I cannot concur.
I think you're playing the role of some kind of
voice of reason, only your reasoning doesn't match
the air you are taking.

[FBALL]

The name on the jersey means something at programs
that have possessed elite status over the long haul.
The name on the jersey means something to out of state
recruits who come to a university.
The name on the jersey represents something, just like
the flag represents something.
FBALL, is your contention that the UK program is not
in a steady decline in recruiting, in prestige, in
results? If that is your thesis, I cannot concur.
I think you're playing the role of some kind of
voice of reason, only your reasoning doesn't match
the air you are taking.
The name on the Jersey means next to nothing to most recruits anymore. Playing time, media coverage and a relationship with the coach mean much more.


The past two seasons have been subpar. I never said they weren't. Tubby has made some mistakes. Everyone does. I maintain that alot have wanted Tubby gone from the first day he arrived. The last couple of years has been an excuse for them to fan the flames.

And no that is not reasonable.

[DevilsWin]

The last couple of years has been an excuse for them to fan the flames.
And no that is not reasonable.

This is something that should have been addressed a long time ago on this board. There have been alot of people since the begining of Tubby's tenure that hated him. Alot of it I think came from his years ay Georgia when they were competetive against the Cats during Petino's tenure at Uk.
Alot of others have hated him because of the color of his skin and that is just plain wrong.

I on the other hand just want Uk to win, and if the coach can't get it done he needs to go. A hero's farewell is what Tubby deserves. He should step down rather than staying until Barnhart fires him.

[punjabi_bulldog79]

i understand that and coach k is the greatest coach in college basketball......he could ahve 5 loss season and he will still be there....What has tubby done????? he has 5 sec titles, 1 nation title, overall record 241-71.... and had 6 sweet 16 finishes in 8 seasons...this guy is a good coach get over it!!!!!!
The national title was only possible coz of Rick Pettino

[thecavemaster]

The name on the Jersey means next to nothing to most recruits anymore. Playing time, media coverage and a relationship with the coach mean much more.


The past two seasons have been subpar. I never said they weren't. Tubby has made some mistakes. Everyone does. I maintain that alot have wanted Tubby gone from the first day he arrived. The last couple of years has been an excuse for them to fan the flames.

And no that is not reasonable.

In the last years of Pitino's run, UK
apparrel was #1 nationwide. Now, tell
me again how elite status, success in
the tournament, and a team that gets
talked about all year by ESPN talking
heads as a contender for the title AND
"the name on the jersey" don't equate.
I agree that some UK fans never could
come around to the idea of OTS as UK's
coach. I am not of that number. I
well remember the undefeated SEC season.
However, I cannot agree that we are seeing
a "couple of seasons" of subpar performance.
I believe that we are seeing a steady decline
in talent level, prestige, results, and
future prospects. All of which make recruiting
even more difficult.

[FBALL]

In the last years of Pitino's run, UK
apparrel was #1 nationwide. Now, tell
me again how elite status, success in
the tournament, and a team that gets
talked about all year by ESPN talking
heads as a contender for the title AND
"the name on the jersey" don't equate.
I agree that some UK fans never could
come around to the idea of OTS as UK's
coach. I am not of that number. I
well remember the undefeated SEC season.
However, I cannot agree that we are seeing
a "couple of seasons" of subpar performance.
I believe that we are seeing a steady decline
in talent level, prestige, results, and
future prospects. All of which make recruiting
even more difficult.
Then the only difference we have is that I feel it is cyclical. There are up and down turns in every program. UK, Duke, UNC, UofL, UCLA, Kansas etc. I simply feel that a coaching change is not the quick fix that everyone wants.

As I have said before, and if this doesn't apply to you please don't be offended. Alot of people have used the last couple of seasons to promote a dislike they have had from the begining of Smith's tenure. That is the segment that I cannot abide.

The fact that some think Tubby should be fired or should walk away is something that I can understand. I don't agree with it but I do understand it. If it is for the logical reasons like the ones you have just stated.