The Awful Truth

[DevilsWin]

The Awful Truth puts some religious conservatives to the test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3MSi3uf8GA

[DevilsWin]

It's funny how 31 people have opened this thread so far and no one has commented.

[Beef]

I don't want to watch a movie by Michael Moore.

[Coach_Owens87]

I don't want to watch a movie by Michael Moore.

I figured beef would say something like that. You may not agree with Moore on his opinions, but he is very unbiased in that video. He bashes all politcal parties that where involved in the NAFTA deal. (Clinton and Bush). I thought the video was a really great, educated journalistic approach to this controversial issue. That's something beefs precious Fox News knows nothing about. Just look at how they recently trashed Kurt Vonnegut's life work, calling it "science fiction mumbo jumbo and "leftism". The man was one of the greatest artist of our time. The man doesnt agree with you so you bash him when hes dead. (I had to get my daily hit on "Fox Noise" in.)

[Coach_Owens87]

I figured beef would say something like that. You may not agree with Moore on his opinions, but he is very unbiased in that video. He bashes all politcal parties that where involved in the NAFTA deal. (Clinton and Bush). I thought the video was a really great, educated journalistic approach to this controversial issue. That's something beefs precious Fox News knows nothing about. Just look at how they recently trashed Kurt Vonnegut's life work, calling it "science fiction mumbo jumbo and "leftism". The man was one of the greatest artist of our time. The man doesnt agree with you so you bash him when hes dead. (I had to get my daily hit on "Fox Noise" in.)

Ok now I feel like a complete idiot, although some people may already say that I am. I was watching another video, after watching the one in the link, and commented on it. Im just gonna post my thoughts on this video and forget this ever happened. I dont feel bad however on my shot toward fox noise.

Moore done a great job on this interview/journalism. I found it funny that all those politicians had the ten commandments in their offices, but no one could remember the commandments when asked. David Mcintosh a republican from Indiana, was preaching to reporters about moral law, when he himself has a criminal background, I say practice what you preach. I like how they all condone school shootings, which is now a big issue again, but they refuse to reform, or pass new gun control laws. Moore done a great job hammering the politicians on receiving PAC money. I loved how he quoted the bible when he stated that man can not worship man and god, but some politicians who are "Christians" believe god was wrong, you can worship both...lol
It just proved a point that the majority of the Republicans Party use the name "Christian" for the sole purpose of getting votes. It seems a lot of people think only those on the right are Christians, it's just part of the propaganda machine the republican party is spitting out. Hitler would be proud.

[ComfortEagle]

It's funny how 31 people have opened this thread so far and no one has commented.

Sorry, I watched the video the other day and got distracted.

I found it funny that Congress shot down the gun control bill, the same day the passed the 10 Commandment bill.

Michael Moore does come off a little harsh when he interviews people, but that is because he comes in more prepared than the people he interviews.

I liked the video, but I think if the congressmen were told what Mr. Moore was going to talk about and given the same amount of time Moore took to prepare they wouldn't have looked as dumbfounded.

[Advance Eagles]

I love everything Michael Moore has done.He's done alot for the working man.His movies have opened up alot of peoples eyes,including mine.

[Beef]

I like how they all condone school shootings, which is now a big issue again, but they refuse to reform, or pass new gun control laws. Gun control laws would do nothing to stop violence in this country. Probably increase school shootings, IMO. Or at least how deadly they are.

[ComfortEagle]

Gun control laws would do nothing to stop violence in this country. Probably increase school shootings, IMO. Or at least how deadly they are.

How would controlling how many guns people buy and what type of guns they buy, increase the amount of school shootings?

Doesn't it make sense that if there is less access to guns, there will be fewer shootings?

[DevilsWin]

How would controlling how many guns people buy and what type of guns they buy, increase the amount of school shootings?

Doesn't it make sense that if there is less access to guns, there will be fewer shootings?

Here is the research Moore discovered in making Bowling For Columbine. He doesn't really answer the question or take a stance. But he does a good job of letting the evidence speak for itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN24Kl3qvF4&mode=related&search=

[Beef]

How would controlling how many guns people buy and what type of guns they buy, increase the amount of school shootings?

Doesn't it make sense that if there is less access to guns, there will be fewer shootings?It is my belief, and only my belief, that killers want to go where their victims have the least amount of protection, ie. schools, malls, etc., where concealed weapons are usually prohibited. If we were to make laws stricter (instead of looser) then there would be more of these "gun free" zones where a killer could go and not have to worry about law-abiding citizens pulling a gun on him/her in an attempt to save their own life.

I know that this may sound crazy to some, but I don't think that a law or restriction is going to stop someone with the mindset to kill. But if people had a way to defend themselves and others around them, maybe the death toll would remain minimal. I read somewhere about citizens who had been able to pull their guns on a killer and stop him from causing anymore harm, either by scaring him into stopping or injuring/killing him.

Now I know that there should be limitations on guns such as no automatic weapons and you have to be 21 with a complete background check covering all aspects before you have the ability to buy a gun or carry a concealed weapon.

My favorite bumper sticker: "Criminals prefer unarmed victims"

[Midee1]

I have to go with Beef on this one. Remember the saying "If guns are outlawed then only outlaws will have guns" I believe that wholeheartedly.

Criminals are going to get guns whether they are legal or not. That is why they are criminals. All we will do with stricter gun control laws is hurt the average Joe who keeps a gun in house for protection. The guy that was going to break in and rob him will still have his gun. Think about that.

[rallo316]

no one or nobody will ever take my guns and gun control is not the answer need to put prayer and pledge back in school.

[DevilsWin]

Gun control is part of the answer. The NRA wants you to believe that the crazy liberals are gonna take your guns away. There aren't enough crazy liberals to get that law passed. If you believed that crap in 2000 about Gore taking your guns, congratulations you fell for the NRA propaganda machine.

What Moore is really speaking to is the culture of fear that we in America are constantly being subjected to and how that fear is what drives the gun violence. If you weren't so afraid you wouldn't be so worried about your guns.

[Coach_Owens87]

Gun control is part of the answer. The NRA wants you to believe that the crazy liberals are gonna take your guns away. There aren't enough crazy liberals to get that law passed. If you believed that crap in 2000 about Gore taking your guns, congratulations you fell for the NRA propaganda machine.

What Moore is really speaking to is the culture of fear that we in America are constantly being subjected to and how that fear is what drives the gun violence. If you weren't so afraid you wouldn't be so worried about your guns.


I totally agree with you Devilswin. The NRA played their propanda perfectly by going for the hunting and gun owning crowd. No one ever wanted to take guns away, we just need to fix the system. People with mental issues, and criminal backgrounds are getting guns. Thats the problem.

[Coach_Owens87]

The idea that people owning guns will stop killings is crazy. People have always had weapons, has that stopped killings, or wars, NO! If someone is going to kill they will, why worry if someone has a gun, most mass killings are ended when the killer kills themselves. We dont need to take away people's right to own guns we just need to control who can own them

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

I love everything Michael Moore has done.He's done alot for the working man.How much more money has HE put in your pockets? Michael Moore can rip on politicians all he wants but they both are in the same buisness when all is said and done. They both take the working mans money. The only difference is the politician takes his on friday afternoon when you get your paycheck and see how much taxes are took out. And Micheal Moore takes his on friday night when you got the movies and pay $8 to watch his communist manifestos.

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

The idea that people owning guns will stop killings is crazy. People have always had weapons, has that stopped killings, or wars, NO! If someone is going to kill they will, why worry if someone has a gun, most mass killings are ended when the killer kills themselves. We dont need to take away people's right to own guns we just need to control who can own them
Actually youre wrong. Somewhere in Europe(Finland I think?) All the citzens in that country are REQUIRED by federal law to keep at least one gun in theyre homes and the crime rate is virtually non-existent over there. Even in KY when the conceal carry law first took effect the crime rate dropped 25% in the first year alone. I do agree we need to control who buying the guns but I also believe we need harsher penalties for repeat offenders.

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

Gun control is part of the answer. The NRA wants you to believe that the crazy liberals are gonna take your guns away. There aren't enough crazy liberals to get that law passed. If you believed that crap in 2000 about Gore taking your guns, congratulations you fell for the NRA propaganda machine.

What Moore is really speaking to is the culture of fear that we in America are constantly being subjected to and how that fear is what drives the gun violence. If you weren't so afraid you wouldn't be so worried about your guns.
America has always been driven by fear. Fear of tyrany and opression. If you lived under that like our forefathers did than it would scare the life out of you too. The NRA didnt have to fuel propaganda about Al Gore, Hillary, or Charles Schumer they did that themselves. During the 2000 presidential debates I listened to Al Gore say he wanted to "Change the constitution to make it fit the 21st century". So what did he want to change? well Al never elobrated. So my ? is still what did he have in mind. Did he want to take away free speech, unabolish slavery, make it to where searches and seizures could take place without a warrant, or IMO the correct answer he wanted to abolish the 2nd amendment. Just remember if your not ever watchful of your freedoms you could lose them in a blink of an eye.

[DevilsWin]

How much more money has HE put in your pockets? Michael Moore can rip on politicians all he wants but they both are in the same buisness when all is said and done. They both take the working mans money. The only difference is the politician takes his on friday afternoon when you get your paycheck and see how much taxes are took out. And Micheal Moore takes his on friday night when you got the movies and pay $8 to watch his communist manifestos.

This has to be the stupidest post I have ever read on BGR. Michael Moore is taking money from the working man on Friday night at the movies? Communist Manifesto? Apparently you know nothing about Capitalism, Communism or Michael Moore. I suggest in the future you educate yourself on a subject before posting.

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

How would controlling how many guns people buy and what type of guns they buy, increase the amount of school shootings?

Doesn't it make sense that if there is less access to guns, there will be fewer shootings?No it doesnt to be honest. If they couldnt shoot them theyd use knives or bombs to kill even more people. The harsh reality is that if someone wants someone dead bad enough in this world theyre going to kill that person or people regardless of whether they have guns or not.

[DevilsWin]

America has always been driven by fear. Fear of tyrany and opression. If you lived under that like our forefathers did than it would scare the life out of you too. The NRA didnt have to fuel propaganda about Al Gore, Hillary, or Charles Schumer they did that themselves. During the 2000 presidential debates I listened to Al Gore say he wanted to "Change the constitution to make it fit the 21st century". So what did he want to change? well Al never elobrated. So my ? is still what did he have in mind. Did he want to take away free speech, unabolish slavery, make it to where searches and seizures could take place without a warrant, or IMO the correct answer he wanted to abolish the 2nd amendment. Just remember if your not ever watchful of your freedoms you could lose them in a blink of an eye.

The original bill of rights has been destroyed by the Bush Administration. Gore didn't have a chance to do anything because the Bushies stole his election in 2000. I'm still ****ed at him for not fighting to the bitter end in Florida. Take a long hard look at the bill of rights. There are only 2 guranteed rights thanks to the Patriot act and other scams.

You have the right to bear arms and you don't have to give soldiers quarters on your property.

Hail Pikeville-
It is people like you that are destroying America. Your fear of terrorists has given Bin Laden the victory.
When you sacrifice freedom for security Al Qaida wins.

:salute: I served my country with distinction. How about you? What have you sacrificed personally for the betterment of America? Besides your right to free speech, right to a fair trial, right to be protected against unlawful search and seizure and all the other rights we used to have in America. I believe in America, not a self serving Government.

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

This has to be the stupidest post I have ever read on BGR. Michael Moore is taking money from the working man on Friday night at the movies? Communist Manifesto? Apparently you know nothing about Capitalism, Communism or Michael Moore. I suggest in the future you educate yourself on a subject before posting.
First of all you have no right whatsoever to come on here and call me Stupid or uneducated when the reply I posted wasnt even meant for you. Secondly I do know about capitalism and communism and It doesnt take a genius to realize which side Michael Moore is on. Do you or do you not have to pay to watch Micheal Moores movies? I was tyring to make a point that one person who makes money off the public by way of entertainment has no right to rip on a public official who makes money off the public as well. For the record I trust neither. Obviously this point went right over youre head. So I hope I explained myself better this time around. If you didnt get it this time Ill post with smaller words and try to put some pictures in it where youll understand it better.

[DevilsWin]

First of all you have no right whatsoever to come on here and call me Stupid or uneducated when the reply I posted wasnt even meant for you. Secondly I do know about capitalism and communism and It doesnt take a genius to realize which side Michael Moore is on. Do you or do you not have to pay to watch Micheal Moores movies? I was tyring to make a point that one person who makes money off the public by way of entertainment has no right to rip on a public official who makes money off the public as well. For the record I trust neither. Obviously this point went right over youre head. So I hope I explained myself better this time around. If you didnt get it this time Ill post with smaller words and try to put some pictures in it where youll understand it better.

1- I didn't say you were stupid. I said your post was stupid, and it still is.
2- I didn't say you were uneducated. I said you were uneducated on the subject matter, and you still are.
3- I don't care if it was meant for me or not.
4- You have a choice to make. Either you want to pay the fee to the movie theater or you don't. Politicians on the other hand take your money with taxes wether you like it or not, then they go vote themselves a pay raise. No choice here for the working man.
5- Every American Citizen has the right to rip on anybody he or she wants. That is what Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines Die For Sir!
6- You explained yourself perfectly the first time, and the conclusion is crystal clear.

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

The original bill of rights has been destroyed by the Bush Administration. Gore didn't have a chance to do anything because the Bushies stole his election in 2000. I'm still ****ed at him for not fighting to the bitter end in Florida. Take a long hard look at the bill of rights. There are only 2 guranteed rights thanks to the Patriot act and other scams.

You have the right to bear arms and you don't have to give soldiers quarters on your property.

Hail Pikeville-
It is people like you that are destroying America. Your fear of terrorists has given Bin Laden the victory.
When you sacrifice freedom for security Al Qaida wins.

:salute: I served my country with distinction. How about you? What have you sacrificed personally for the betterment of America? Besides your right to free speech, right to a fair trial, right to be protected against unlawful search and seizure and all the other rights we used to have in America. I believe in America, not a self serving Government.
First of all GOD bless you for serving and I mean that from the bottom of my heart. Second of all Im not trying to direspect you Im just disagreeing with you there is a difference you know and TAHT is what is destroying America. So far Ive been called
stupid,uneducated,and now Im whats destoying America. Ive been called this just because I dont agree with what youre saying. Its this division that is what Michael Moore and the people like him in the media FEED on and at the end of the day we will be the ones who suffer from it and THEY and I include politicians too. Will continue to get rich off of it. Good day to you now.

[DevilsWin]

First of all GOD bless you for serving and I mean that from the bottom of my heart. Second of all Im not trying to direspect you Im just disagreeing with you there is a difference you know and TAHT is what is destroying America. So far Ive been called
stupid,uneducated,and now Im whats destoying America. Ive been called this just because I dont agree with what youre saying. Its this division that is what Michael Moore and the people like him in the media FEED on and at the end of the day we will be the ones who suffer from it and THEY and I include politicians too. Will continue to get rich off of it. Good day to you now.
So you haven't done anything to make America a better place. Good Job!:Thumbs:

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

So you haven't done anything to make America a better place. Good Job!:Thumbs:Well I vote, I pay my taxes, I work and I live how GOD wants me to. If thats not enough for you than I dont care. Just becuase you served and I didnt doesnt make you a better American than me. I didnt choose the service as a career but if called I WILL fight for my country and die if I have to. So congratulations you just came on here and showed youre rear end in front of everyone on here that you cant take it when someone disagrees with you and they werent even talking to you in the first place, so you feel the need to insult them and question theyre patriotism like a 3 year old.

[Beef]

Coach or Devils,
Could you explain what you mean when you want better gun control. I'm not sure what we are going to argue over here because there are somethings that I agree with but I want to see where you stand on who should/shouldn't have guns and what type/how many each person should have.

Thank you,
Beef

[DevilsWin]

Coach or Devils,
Could you explain what you mean when you want better gun control. I'm not sure what we are going to argue over here because there are somethings that I agree with but I want to see where you stand on who should/shouldn't have guns and what type/how many each person should have.

Thank you,
Beef
I just want the laws we have now to be enforced. I am a gun owner and I feel it is a God given right to own a firearm. What I have a problem with is the NRA and their scare tactics. Not gun ownership.

[DevilsWin]

Well I vote, I pay my taxes, I work and I live how GOD wants me to. If thats not enough for you than I dont care. Just becuase you served and I didnt doesnt make you a better American than me. I didnt choose the service as a career but if called I WILL fight for my country and die if I have to. So congratulations you just came on here and showed youre rear end in front of everyone on here that you cant take it when someone disagrees with you and they werent even talking to you in the first place, so you feel the need to insult them and question theyre patriotism like a 3 year old.
I Vote, Work, Pay taxes, and live the way God wants me too also. I never said that serving my country made me a better American. What kills me is all these so called conservatives who support the war that are of the age to serve and they don't. If you believe in this President and his call to arms so much why are you sitting in Pikeville talking the talk when you should be in the military walking the walk.

[DevilsWin]

I didnt choose the service as a career but if called I WILL fight for my country and die if I have to.

Only if you have to huh? Thanks for your patriotism.:served:

That's easy to say when there isn't a military draft.

[FOX SPORTS]

How would controlling how many guns people buy and what type of guns they buy, increase the amount of school shootings?

Doesn't it make sense that if there is less access to guns, there will be fewer shootings?

With the number of guns that are already out there, there will never be limited access as long as they can be found at swap meets, flea markets, and daddy's closet.

If we live in a relatively free society, there will always be the crazies and terrorists that commit acts such as school shootings and gutless acts of random violence...gun control cannot effectively be implemented now that there are millions of guns in our society.

Our choice is to live in a free country...with freedom comes these inherent dangers.

[FOX SPORTS]

Here is the research Moore discovered in making Bowling For Columbine. He doesn't really answer the question or take a stance. But he does a good job of letting the evidence speak for itself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN24Kl3qvF4&mode=related&search=


Really???

Moore typically presents the evidence that supports his points, not all evidence.
Therefore, he takes a stance with his inclusion or exclusion of information.

All journalists/movie makers/talking heads do.

[DevilsWin]

Really???

Moore typically presents the evidence that supports his points, not all evidence.
Therefore, he takes a stance with his inclusion or exclusion of information.

All journalists/movie makers/talking heads do.

Irony is Moore's Specialty.

[thecavemaster]

I challenge anyone on BGR to take this challenge:
turn on TBN and watch for twenty four hours; how
many times do the words "Blessed are the poor" get
spoken? The Hebrews around Jesus didn't
understand what he was talking about. They didn't
want to know. Neither do American Christians or the
politicians who "suck up" to them...only to betray
them later when corporate interests and monied fat
cats come calling. Blessed are those whose eyes
are opened enough to weep now. The fact that
freedom of conscience is guaranteed in the U.S.
Constitution is a blessing beyond measure. The
most important color in this world is not black
or white...it is green. Corporations don't care
who is in charge...right or left or religious or
atheist...but, if like Jesus, you speak words that
threaten the rotten, greed-eaten system beneath it
all, the rich and powerful will get you. However,
as long as we, the common people, all keep fighting
each other over whether or not to post the ten
commandments, the rich will just keep on getting
richer...and they'll just keep smiling as we smite
one another.

[DevilsWin]

I challenge anyone on BGR to take this challenge:
turn on TBN and watch for twenty four hours; how
many times do the words "Blessed are the poor" get
spoken? The Hebrews around Jesus didn't
understand what he was talking about. They didn't
want to know. Neither do American Christians or the
politicians who "suck up" to them...only to betray
them later when corporate interests and monied fat
cats come calling. Blessed are those whose eyes
are opened enough to weep now. The fact that
freedom of conscience is guaranteed in the U.S.
Constitution is a blessing beyond measure. The
most important color in this world is not black
or white...it is green. Corporations don't care
who is in charge...right or left or religious or
atheist...but, if like Jesus, you speak words that
threaten the rotten, greed-eaten system beneath it
all, the rich and powerful will get you. However,
as long as we, the common people, all keep fighting
each other over whether or not to post the ten
commandments, the rich will just keep on getting
richer...and they'll just keep smiling as we smite
one another.

Good post!

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

I challenge anyone on BGR to take this challenge:
turn on TBN and watch for twenty four hours; how
many times do the words "Blessed are the poor" get
spoken? The Hebrews around Jesus didn't
understand what he was talking about. They didn't
want to know. Neither do American Christians or the
politicians who "suck up" to them...only to betray
them later when corporate interests and monied fat
cats come calling. Blessed are those whose eyes
are opened enough to weep now. The fact that
freedom of conscience is guaranteed in the U.S.
Constitution is a blessing beyond measure. The
most important color in this world is not black
or white...it is green. Corporations don't care
who is in charge...right or left or religious or
atheist...but, if like Jesus, you speak words that
threaten the rotten, greed-eaten system beneath it
all, the rich and powerful will get you. However,
as long as we, the common people, all keep fighting
each other over whether or not to post the ten
commandments, the rich will just keep on getting
richer...and they'll just keep smiling as we smite
one another.
So youre lumping all American Christians in with the money hungry hippocirites of TBN and the 700 club? I dont believe the way they do and neither do alot of Christians in this country.

[DevilsWin]

So youre lumping all American Christians in with the money hungry hippocirites of TBN and the 700 club? I dont believe the way they do and neither do alot of Christians in this country.
There are alot of good Christians who don't fall for Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson's BS but millions do listen to these guys and their hate mongering. Contrary to what the Republicans and Conservatives say you can be both a Good Christian and a Good Democrat.

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

I Vote, Work, Pay taxes, and live the way God wants me too also. I never said that serving my country made me a better American. What kills me is all these so called conservatives who support the war that are of the age to serve and they don't. If you believe in this President and his call to arms so much why are you sitting in Pikeville talking the talk when you should be in the military walking the walk.
When did I ever say I believed in this President or this war? Go back and read my posts and tell me where you could find anything about that. I was talking about guns and MY right as an American citizen to have them.

[DevilsWin]

When did I ever say I believed in this President or this war? Go back and read my posts and tell me where you could find anything about that. I was talking about guns and MY right as an American citizen to have them.
OK, So what is your position on the war? I appologize for the blanket remarks.

[Beef]

a Good Democrat.:thatsfunn:thatsfunn



jk with ya. I agree, but have yet to find one ;)

[DevilsWin]

jk with ya. I agree, but have yet to find one ;)
Not funny.:shh: You must be hanging out with the wrong crowd Beef. Step into the light and away from The Darkside.

[thecavemaster]

So youre lumping all American Christians in with the money hungry hippocirites of TBN and the 700 club? I dont believe the way they do and neither do alot of Christians in this country.

Of course, not ALL Christians...how can any of us
say "all" when our circumference is limited by
time and space? I'm not sure I would even
use the word "hypocrites." I am saying that a
large portion of the reason that Jesus got himself
strung up had to do with the kinds of things he
taught, suggested and implied about the rich
and powerful people of His day. This though:
if what you say is true, why do evangelicals vote
in the throngs that they do for the corporate agenda...
unless they don't realize it is the corporate agenda
because it is couched in anti-abortion flag waving?

[Old School]

It is my belief, and only my belief, that killers want to go where their victims have the least amount of protection, ie. schools, malls, etc., where concealed weapons are usually prohibited. If we were to make laws stricter (instead of looser) then there would be more of these "gun free" zones where a killer could go and not have to worry about law-abiding citizens pulling a gun on him/her in an attempt to save their own life.

I know that this may sound crazy to some, but I don't think that a law or restriction is going to stop someone with the mindset to kill. But if people had a way to defend themselves and others around them, maybe the death toll would remain minimal. I read somewhere about citizens who had been able to pull their guns on a killer and stop him from causing anymore harm, either by scaring him into stopping or injuring/killing him.

Now I know that there should be limitations on guns such as no automatic weapons and you have to be 21 with a complete background check covering all aspects before you have the ability to buy a gun or carry a concealed weapon.

My favorite bumper sticker: "Criminals prefer unarmed victims"


I agree Beef, wasn't Virginia Tech's campus a "gun free zone". I was listening to a news report about a shooting at a restaurant where several people were killed, when the gunman started shooting, a woman (who usually carries a concealed weapon) was hiding under a table, said if she had her gun with her she could have shot the gunman before he could have killed so many people.
If someone want's a gun bad enough they will find a way legal or illegal.

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

OK, So what is your position on the war? I appologize for the blanket remarks.
To be honest Im not sure. While at first I thought it was a good thing to be over there and I still believe that a world without Saddam is a better place. I dont agree with how its being fought. We shouldve secured Afghanistan first before we went to Iraq. Ive had friends who have fought and died over there and I dont think theyve died in vain.

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

Of course, not ALL Christians...how can any of us
say "all" when our circumference is limited by
time and space? I'm not sure I would even
use the word "hypocrites." I am saying that a
large portion of the reason that Jesus got himself
strung up had to do with the kinds of things he
taught, suggested and implied about the rich
and powerful people of His day. This though:
if what you say is true, why do evangelicals vote
in the throngs that they do for the corporate agenda...
unless they don't realize it is the corporate agenda
because it is couched in anti-abortion flag waving?I was just going on what you said in your previous post. You didnt say some American Chrtistians, or a few American Christians, or even a majority of American Christians. You just said American Christians. Yes I believe the folks on those shows are Hippocrites and because they essentialy say to send THEM your money and youll be healed or saved. And in the Bible JESUS does call them hippocrites(dont take my word for it look it up). So i guess according to you the "Real" Christian agenda is draped in abortion, gay marriage,and the Anti Christian Lawyers Union(ACLU). I have to disagree with all due respect and I will not vote for those who favor those things EVER!!!

[thecavemaster]

I was just going on what you said in your previous post. You didnt say some American Chrtistians, or a few American Christians, or even a majority of American Christians. You just said American Christians. Yes I believe the folks on those shows are Hippocrites and because they essentialy say to send THEM your money and youll be healed or saved. And in the Bible JESUS does call them hippocrites(dont take my word for it look it up). So i guess according to you the "Real" Christian agenda is draped in abortion, gay marriage,and the Anti Christian Lawyers Union(ACLU). I have to disagree with all due respect and I will not vote for those who favor those things EVER!!!

I am saying that the United States of America is not
some "new" Israel. I am saying that every woman named
Rose doesn't smell like one, just as every person who
says "I am a Christian" doesn't "smell" like one. I
think that there is something in the USA called "the
Christian right" and that they often vote as a block,
based on only a couple of issues. Jesus called the
Pharisees "hypocrites," whether or not that applies
to Pat Robertson and Paul Crouch, I don't know. As
for abortion, gay rights etc., my point was that politicians
often use these wedge issues to turn out the vote, then,
when that vote has taken place, they don't really return
to these issues. The American Civil Liberties Union
defends freedom of conscience and has a history of
defending the weak and powerless against conglomorated
interests and bigots dressed in religious garments.

[SportsFan80]

Well I myself am for gun control, by that I mean there should be better background checks and so forth to keep nut cases and other gun freaks from obtaining guns. Also if school systems would admit to having bully problems then that would also cut down on school shootings. Thats the main cause of most school shootings in this country, but no one believes that.

Now about what Michael Moore does, he does nothing wrong but inform americans of how they are getting lied to and screwed over by our supposed great american government. How can anyone think hes a frickin communist, hes far from it. I love the work he does in his movies, he does nothing but tell the truth and catch these frickin politicians at their weakest point, which i love. Most people just cant handle the truth, thats why they rag on him.

Christianity is pretty much a thing of the past in this country if not the world. No one believes in God anymore, they take the ten commandments out of schools and courthouses and all that, how can christianity keep going when stuff like that happens. Its the government and the ACLU that does the **** in the first place, and thats why there is so much bad stuff happening in the world. God has given up on people. Why wouldnt he after the way the human race has treated the world that he created, not some frickin science bull**** like evolution.

The last thing I will say is that I wouldnt fight for this country even if I could. There is no threat to our freedom from any other nation but our own. Everyday the government changes and makes laws that threaten our freedoms. Be careful if u ever say anything about the president, unless you are a comedian or so forth, you will for sure be put in jail or some bull**** like that. Im not saying I dont support our troops that are fighting right now, although its for nothing and many are losing their lives everyday for nothing, I just wouldnt do it myself. I wont be brainwashed into thinking we are being threatened by some 6-10 guy on a dialysis machine, or by some innocent guy that had nothing to do with 9/11 like we were told.

As soon as this guy gets out of the White House, the country will be in much better shape.

[FOX SPORTS]

This thread has drifted off topic.

[HAIL PIKEVILLE!]

Well I myself am for gun control, by that I mean there should be better background checks and so forth to keep nut cases and other gun freaks from obtaining guns. Also if school systems would admit to having bully problems then that would also cut down on school shootings. Thats the main cause of most school shootings in this country, but no one believes that.

Now about what Michael Moore does, he does nothing wrong but inform americans of how they are getting lied to and screwed over by our supposed great american government. How can anyone think hes a frickin communist, hes far from it. I love the work he does in his movies, he does nothing but tell the truth and catch these frickin politicians at their weakest point, which i love. Most people just cant handle the truth, thats why they rag on him.

Christianity is pretty much a thing of the past in this country if not the world. No one believes in God anymore, they take the ten commandments out of schools and courthouses and all that, how can christianity keep going when stuff like that happens. Its the government and the ACLU that does the **** in the first place, and thats why there is so much bad stuff happening in the world. God has given up on people. Why wouldnt he after the way the human race has treated the world that he created, not some frickin science bull**** like evolution.

The last thing I will say is that I wouldnt fight for this country even if I could. There is no threat to our freedom from any other nation but our own. Everyday the government changes and makes laws that threaten our freedoms. Be careful if u ever say anything about the president, unless you are a comedian or so forth, you will for sure be put in jail or some bull**** like that. Im not saying I dont support our troops that are fighting right now, although its for nothing and many are losing their lives everyday for nothing, I just wouldnt do it myself. I wont be brainwashed into thinking we are being threatened by some 6-10 guy on a dialysis machine, or by some innocent guy that had nothing to do with 9/11 like we were told.

As soon as this guy gets out of the White House, the country will be in much better shape.If GOD had "given up" on everyone this world woudnt be here anymore. He still loves us all and wants us to flee from the wrath to come.

[DevilsWin]

More of The Awful Truth......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhFsGOyBGQw

[bizmark]

even more of the awful truth

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_1270801.html

[bizmark]

Of course, not ALL Christians...how can any of us
say "all" when our circumference is limited by
time and space? I'm not sure I would even
use the word "hypocrites." I am saying that a
large portion of the reason that Jesus got himself
strung up had to do with the kinds of things he
taught, suggested and implied about the rich
and powerful people of His day. This though:
if what you say is true, why do evangelicals vote
in the throngs that they do for the corporate agenda...
unless they don't realize it is the corporate agenda
because it is couched in anti-abortion flag waving?

if by "strung up" you mean crucified, Jesus was put on earth for one reason, and that was to die for everybdys sins. the reason they crucified him, though, is because he said that he was God, which he was, not because of the way he talked about the rich.

[thecavemaster]

if by "strung up" you mean crucified, Jesus was put on earth for one reason, and that was to die for everybdys sins. the reason they crucified him, though, is because he said that he was God, which he was, not because of the way he talked about the rich.

"Strung up" is, of course, slang for an unceremonious
execution. Now, you say that Jesus was crucified
because he said that he was "God." Of course, any
knowledge of history at that time suggests that several
"prophets" went around claiming to be the Messiah who
would lead the Jews to independence from Rome...most
of them did not end up on a cross. Jesus did. The
need for simple answers is not sufficient reason for
the rest of us to settle for them.

[bizmark]

well its simple enough for it to be put in the bible.

[DevilsWin]

well its simple enough for it to be put in the bible.
:thumpsup:

[thecavemaster]

well its simple enough for it to be put in the bible.

If you are suggesting that human beings always
speak exactly what the motives are for their
crimes, then I would agree...the trial before
Herod and Pilate suggests that the Jewish
authorities are accusing Jesus of, as Pilate
put it, "breaking their laws." What I am saying
is that in that day lots of people went around
claiming to be the Messiah but did not get
executed. The message of Jesus as to "blessed
are the poor" and other things was threatening
at a level beyond the various "I am a direct
descendent of King David" claims. Why did sinners
hear him gladly? Because they were part of the
rag and bobtail of humanity...the least and the
last and the lost. It was akin to a peasant movement.
I am not saying that perhaps part of why Jesus was
exectued was his claims...I am saying that his
teachings as to power and wealth were also involved.
"Simple" is to think it has to be one or the other, when
it is and can plainly be both/and.