Estill Football 2007

[Estillfootballgirl]

We Have All This Talk About Everyone Else... And It Seems I've Been Slacking With My Support For My Boys So I Have To Start This One.... So Lets Hear The Predictions Guys....


Here's Who They Play


Pineville (H)
Bourbon County (H)
Powell County (A)
Breathitt County (H)
Fleming County (A)
Berea (A)
Phelps (A)
Cawood (H)
Magoffin (H)
Knott County (A)


In That Order

[RIP_28]

Estill could win 6 games. Powell won't be 1 of them though.

[qb destroyer]

should be great game with powell county. that is one i would not want to miss

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

Estill could win 6 games. Powell won't be 1 of them though.

I'm not saying that powell could or could not beat them. Just curious as to why you are so positive that powell will not be one of Estill's wins?

[Estillfootballgirl]

Estill could win 6 games. Powell won't be 1 of them though.


Haha...And What Makes You Soooo Sure That Powell Wont Be One Of Em??? Lol... I'd Be Willing To Bet Money That Estill Will Beat Powell :)

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

Haha...And What Makes You Soooo Sure That Powell Wont Be One Of Em??? Lol... I'd Be Willing To Bet Money That Estill Will Beat Powell :)

LET'S TRY TO REMAIN CIVIL. A good rivalry on occasion tends to bring out the worst in all of us. BEFORE IT GETS OUT OF HAND, let's not begin to trade insults. There are a whole lot of ?????? to begin this season on both sides of the county line. Rivalries are best when the desire to beat the opponent is equaled with respect for the game and the opposition. With that being said, there is nothing better than pulling out a big W against your neighbor, and also a district opponent obtaining bragging rights for the year, not to mention the playoff implications.

[RIP_28]

LET'S TRY TO REMAIN CIVIL. A good rivalry on occasion tends to bring out the worst in all of us. BEFORE IT GETS OUT OF HAND, let's not begin to trade insults. There are a whole lot of ?????? to begin this season on both sides of the county line. Rivalries are best when the desire to beat the opponent is equaled with respect for the game and the opposition. With that being said, there is nothing better than pulling out a big W against your neighbor, and also a district opponent obtaining bragging rights for the year, not to mention the playoff implications.Benedict and Baber are both very good football players. I feel Estill will simply be too "ONE DEMENSIONAL" .
Contrast of styles in this one. Estill control the ball and the clock, Powell will be wide open full throttle. I feel the X factor in this one is who knows how to beat Estill better than Estill does. Powell's defense will be ran by an "OLE ENGINEER" CLOSE , CLOSE GAME but Mike Whitaker's offense will give Powell a chance to win the game in the end. If Estill gets behind at all it's "TURN OUT THE LIGHTS, THE PARTIES OVER". I still think Estill will have a good season.

[Midee1]

Having seen both teams last year and knowing nothing of the new coach at Powell I give my nod to the Engineers. It is tough for a coach to come in the first year this late in the game and perform miracles. After Whitaker has a year or so under his belt then we will see what he can do.



Count your blessings that Russell is no longer on either schedule........:p ;) :)


Just kidding there. Good luck to both teams.

[srixon2]

Estill is returning a bunch of starters and an ole Engineer QB running Powell's "D"? Estill will "3 yards and a cloud of dust" Powell to death

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

From all I can gather, Estill lost 3 starters on off, and 3 on defense from last years squad. Although the B's are going to have a great year, look for new additon to the BF to have a breakout year also. News from Irvine is Estill has made some quality upper classmen additions to their roster not to mention a very strong freshmen class coming in with about 15-20 with some talent. The pass has never been a threat in the past because of personnel, but with the return of starting sr. qb from last year he has the capabilities to make people think twice about putting 11 in the box like most teams have done in the past.

[NEERSFAN2270]

Estill will have a breakout season this year. They will be stronger and faster in the backfield than they were last year. The most improved team in the state last year will continue to roll!!

[DevilsWin]

Pineville (H)- W
Bourbon County (H)- W
Powell County (A)- W
Breathitt County (H)- L
Fleming County (A)- L
Berea (A)- W
Phelps (A)- W
Cawood (H)- W
Magoffin (H)- W
Knott County (A)- W

Estill will be a serious contender. 8-2 going into playoffs against either Fleming or Breathitt.

[RIP_28]

Powell started 6 soph.'s and a couple of freshman on both sides last year. They were very young and it showed last season. Powell will be huge up front and at least 3 of these guys have started for going on 4 years. I'm tellin' you guys Mike Whitaker will simply out-coach alot of teams on Powell's schedule. Estill will have a good year but the FIRST district game at Powell with a pirate team who will more than likely be 2-0 at this point belongs to Powell this season. Be a great game.

[srixon2]

How did Whitaker do at Madison Southern when he was there?

[thatRBfromCALI]

Estill will have a breakout season this year. They will be stronger and faster in the backfield than they were last year. The most improved team in the state last year will continue to roll!!



i agree. except for the faster and stronger backfield part. hahahaha. =).

[RIP_28]

power runners, not much speed

[warriorpride]

They should be good next year.

[Benchwarmer]

Pineville (H)- W
Bourbon County (H)- W
Powell County (A)- W
Breathitt County (H)- L
Fleming County (A)- L
Berea (A)- W
Phelps (A)- W
Cawood (H)- W
Magoffin (H)- W
Knott County (A)- W

Estill will be a serious contender. 8-2 going into playoffs against either Fleming or Breathitt.




The last game of the year, w. We shall see you then and we will see.

[jc#44]

i belive estill is gonna will go 9-1 loosing to fleming and only fleming b/c its an away game and the refs dont like the estill boys up there and they showed that last year

[thatRBfromCALI]

i belive estill is gonna will go 9-1 loosing to fleming and only fleming b/c its an away game and the refs dont like the estill boys up there and they showed that last year



amen to that, sir. refs definitely weren't too kind to us. but fleming won, and they played an EXCELLENT game. so they deserved it. but we may get 'em this year, who knows...

[jc#44]

yea i agree they did play a good game and who knows what will happen I just hope estill plays ball like they know how and it will be a real good event to watch

[warriorpride]

i belive estill is gonna will go 9-1 loosing to fleming and only fleming b/c its an away game and the refs dont like the estill boys up there and they showed that last year

well i think they will also lose to Breathitt going 8-2 but still thats a good record.

[DevilsWin]

amen to that, sir. refs definitely weren't too kind to us. but fleming won, and they played an EXCELLENT game. so they deserved it. but we may get 'em this year, who knows...
You guys have any idea how referees are assigned to games? Come on..??

[RIP_28]

BREATHITT COUNTY WILL ROLL ESTILL!!!!!
Easily and with no effort.
Estill is by no means a contender and Breathitt always is. Breathitt by 50.Breathitt's D hasn't been that great but Estill's D is HORRIBLE.

[jc#44]

BREATHITT COUNTY WILL ROLL ESTILL!!!!!
Easily and with no effort.
Estill is by no means a contender and Breathitt always is. Breathitt by 50.Breathitt's D hasn't been that great but Estill's D is HORRIBLE.

rip this estill team played this brethitt team for the most part back in 2005 and the D isnt horribe look at what it did to powells O and west carter and morgan it was good enough to keep them from seeing the endzone more times than estill. and i have a question for you do you play football? id love to know

[PLAYBOY5]

That may be the softest schedule I have ever seen! EVER!

[PLAYBOY5]

I GUARANTEE BREATHITT will beat the lightning bolt off of there helmet.

[Neersfan]

I GUARANTEE BREATHITT will beat the lightning bolt off of there helmet.

Here's the deal boys! If you think that the schedule is soft and that Breathitt is "God" then by all means come and cheer on the bobcats and boo the engineers. It seems like there is alot of "hating" going on here about the "neers". I'm not sure but I think we are in your head and maybe I'm smelling some fear out there. We have apparently upset the delicate balance of football worship here on the site and haven't played the first game yet. We are not trying to get caught up in all of the hype. We will let our game do our talking. This is not last year , five years ago or next year. This is this year and our opponents will face a team from Irvine like they haven't seen before. This years:yikes: opponents and their fans will have to decide whether they want to" get down or lay down" because Estill will be "gettting down!"

[PLAYBOY5]

The hype?, lol...Estill is playing everyone but the Ky School for the Deaf! What hype? IF THEY DON'T WIN 8 GAMES IT WILL BE RIDICULOUS IS WHAT I AM SAYING!

[Neersfan]

The hype?, lol...Estill is playing everyone but the Ky School for the Deaf! What hype? IF THEY DON'T WIN 8 GAMES IT WILL BE RIDICULOUS IS WHAT I AM SAYING!

I think that some of our opponents would take offense to your lack of respect for their team. Do you play?

[PLAYBOY5]

I think that some of our opponents would take offense to your lack of respect for their team. Do you play?
And I care if they take offense, lol....Truth is the truth and stats don't lie pal!

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

:igiveup:LET'S TRY TO REMAIN CIVIL. A good rivalry on occasion tends to bring out the worst in all of us. BEFORE IT GETS OUT OF HAND, let's not begin to trade insults. There are a whole lot of ?????? to begin this season on both sides of the county line. Rivalries are best when the desire to beat the opponent is equaled with respect for the game and the opposition. With that being said, there is nothing better than pulling out a big W against your neighbor, and also a district opponent obtaining bragging rights for the year, not to mention the playoff implications.:D

[Lucky13]

Estill 2007

Pineville
Bourbon County
Powell County
Breathitt County
Fleming County
Berea
Phelps
Open
Cawood
Magoffin County
Knott County Central

Powell 2007

Jackson Co.
Morgan Co.
Estill Co.
Fleming Co.
Lewis Co.
Bath Co.
Cawood
Betsy Lane
Breathitt County
Berea
Open

There's the two schedules, honestly Powell's schedule is significantly weaker than Estill's with no disrespect towards Powell's opponents, it's not an opinion it's a fact.

[bigpun]

Breathitt Co, Cawood and Fleming Co are the only definite losses I see. So you are looking at 6-7 possible wins.

[PLAYBOY5]

I agree bigpun! I mean, I like Estill County, and like Coach Jones and hope that they do well this season! Best of Luck boys!

[RIP_28]

Estill 2007

Pineville
Bourbon County
Powell County
Breathitt County
Fleming County
Berea
Phelps
Open
Cawood
Magoffin County
Knott County Central

Powell 2007

Jackson Co.
Morgan Co.
Estill Co.
Fleming Co.
Lewis Co.
Bath Co.
Cawood
Betsy Lane
Breathitt County
Berea
Open

There's the two schedules, honestly Powell's schedule is significantly weaker than Estill's with no disrespect towards Powell's opponents, it's not an opinion it's a fact.
I disagree, Bath and Morgan are alot better than Bourbon and Phelps. Lewis is better than Magoffin as well.

[Benchwarmer]

Pineville W
Bourbon W
Powell L
Breathitt L
Fleming L
Berea W
Phelps L
Cawood L
Magoffin L
Knott L

[F.N.L.]

This is without a DOUBT the softest schedule in Estill's history. If they can't win 8 or 9games, they may need to revisit changes in the program.

[F.N.L.]

The records from the teams they played last year does not prove Powell's schedule is significantly weaker, not trying to be disrespectful. I looked them up.

[F.N.L.]

Estill has 3 yds. and a cloud of dust everybody they have played. Unfortunately the other teams have only used 1 play to score. Think about this, if Estill doesn't score every posession, they get behind quick and that is not good by any means.

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

The records from the teams they played last year does not prove Powell's schedule is significantly weaker, not trying to be disrespectful. I looked them up.

Powell and Estill both have Berea on their schedule. Here's how the other's stack up.....

Powell plays

1. Jackson Co. -- 2-8
JC's wins-- Hancock Co. TN. (0-4) Evang. Christ. (0-10)

2. Morgan Co.-- 2-8
MC's wins-- Powell 1-9/win vs Phelps record of 1-9) Lewis 2-8/ win vs
Estill 3-7, Powell 1-9

3. Lewis Co. -- 2-8
LC's wins-- Estill 3-7/win vs Powell 1-9, Morgan 2-8, West 5-5
Powell 1-9/win vs Phelps 1-9

4. Betsy Layne-- 1-9
BL's wins-- Powell 1-9/ win vs. Phelps 1-9

Estill Plays

1. Pineville -- 3-7
Pville's wins Jackson Co. 2-8/ win vs Hancock 0-10, Ev. Ch 0-10
Berea 1-9/ win vs Hancock 0-10
Bet. Ln. 1-9/ win vs Powell 1-9

2. Phelps -- 2-8
Phelps wins S. Floyd 3-7/ win vs Magoffin 3-7, Jackson 2-8, Powell 1-9
Btsy. Ln. 1-9 win vs Powell 1-9

3. Magoffin Co. -- 3-7
Magoffin wins Allen Cent. 3-7/ win vs BlL 1-9, Phelps 1-9, South Fl. 3-7
Betsy Ln. 1-9/ win vs. Powell 1-9
East Ridge 2-8/ win vs South Fl 3-7, Phelps 1-9

4. Knott Co. -- 3-7
Knott's Wins Jenkins 4-6/ win vs Phelps 1-9, S. Floyd 3-7, All. Cent. 3-7, BL 1-9
Magoffin 3-7/ win vs AC 3-7, BL 1-9, East Ridge 2-8
Allen Cent. 3-7/ win vs BL 1-9, Phelps 1-9, South Fl. 3-7

Bath for Powell and Bourbon for Estill are the other teams on the schedule.....
They are somewhat of anomolies. Where although Bourbon went 0-10, they were 3a and had the misfortune of being in a very tough dist. and some very poor non dist. scheduling. (Campbell co. Rock, West Jess., East Jess, Harrison, Lex. Cath, Franklin Co.. Where Bath is a very good single A team. They beat West in a very tight game by some accounts on this site 35-25, but Estill beat west 36-15.

Here's the stats, the last part about Bourbon and Bath are more opinion, but you could argue that the schedules are somewhat similar. Why would a team that does not have a lot of success is recent past want to schedule more upper teir teams while they are trying to build back up. Success breeds success, I think one should work thier way up the ladder. Rome wasn't built in a day.

[F.N.L.]

I remember when Estill could not fill a schedule because of the physical beating they put on teams. Estill played all teams and never dropped anyone. Instead of staying a contender with top teams and making the playoffs, they have resorted to playing a very weak schedule and dropping anyone who has beat them in order to win. This is fine go 8-2 then get killed first round of playoffs because you have not prepared for playoff competition. As for Powell, I feel they are in the best position possible for the football program. They should find success this year with their schedule and next year start looking to pick up higher caliber teams. You can't play weak schedules and expect to do anything in the playoffs. Take a look at Russell's, Breathitt's, Rockastle, Boyles, schedules for example.

[F.N.L.]

The KSD is on hold incase they need to schedule them next year! Softest schedule in 3A.

[F.N.L.]

In 03' Estill was 8-3. They only lost 6 players off that team and went 3-7 the following year losing to not so very good teams other than Russell.

[F.N.L.]

The 3 teams you have mentioned are not or were not exactly a threat in the past! Footballs bounce funny ways!

[jc#44]

I remember when Estill could not fill a schedule because of the physical beating they put on teams. Estill played all teams and never dropped anyone. Instead of staying a contender with top teams and making the playoffs, they have resorted to playing a very weak schedule and dropping anyone who has beat them in order to win. This is fine go 8-2 then get killed first round of playoffs because you have not prepared for playoff competition. As for Powell, I feel they are in the best position possible for the football program. They should find success this year with their schedule and next year start looking to pick up higher caliber teams. You can't play weak schedules and expect to do anything in the playoffs. Take a look at Russell's, Breathitt's, Rockastle, Boyles, schedules for example.

hey fnl thats wat where out to do again and the past is the past and forget about this is now and where comin back to make a team that the best teams wont wanna play because we are going to pur a beatin on any team that gets in our way trample the weak hurdle the dead thats our moto

[Neersfan]

The KSD is on hold incase they need to schedule them next year! Softest schedule in 3A.

You might want to know that based on the change in the classes the schedule was pretty well made up by the end of last season. Also know this fact that we dropped no one from our schedule they dropped us for their new district and all of the other teams that are on the schedule this year called us up to play when we were sitting at 0-5 last season. All of a sudden Estill's not a push over and some people are worried. Whether you like us or don't like get used to us because we will be in your face every week on here and in the paper!:ChairHit:

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

I remember when Estill could not fill a schedule because of the physical beating they put on teams. Estill played all teams and never dropped anyone. Instead of staying a contender with top teams and making the playoffs, they have resorted to playing a very weak schedule and dropping anyone who has beat them in order to win. This is fine go 8-2 then get killed first round of playoffs because you have not prepared for playoff competition. As for Powell, I feel they are in the best position possible for the football program. They should find success this year with their schedule and next year start looking to pick up higher caliber teams. You can't play weak schedules and expect to do anything in the playoffs. Take a look at Russell's, Breathitt's, Rockastle, Boyles, schedules for example.

Speaking of these teams of the past, have they (Estill) ever won a playoff game??

How can it be that Powell and Estill's schedule's are similar and Estill's is sooo weak, and Powell's is putting them in the best position for the program? In the previous post, I was trying to state that if you've had a rough stretch, why keep scheduling the upper teir teams and get beat down, which kills morale and numbers. Schedule some teams to allow for success then build your way up. Remember most games are 2 year contracts. In the past 4 to 5 years Estill's non dist. schedule has been limited because of the large district. They've played Belfrey, Bellvue (which beat Beechwood year before last) Clay Co. Rockastle.

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

Done a little research myself, Estill has won 1 playoff game in the past, in 1995 vs. Anderson Co. 21-13. Estill was an 8-2 two seed and Anderson was a 5-5 three seed.
Also in this research, I couldn't help but notice that these brutal teams of the past that played only the best had some weak sisters on their schedule also, and also had some 0-10
2-8 seasons????

I'm not trying to say that Estill's schedule is tough, it is what it is......Like one said it's a good point to build from. There are at least a couple of good teams on there for all of us to find out where these young Neers stand. Who knows.

Speaking of the 8-2 team of 03, that beat Russell, going into the playoffs Estill was a four seed playing Lloyd which was a one seed. In the second round Lloyd beat Fleming 63-28, round 3 beat Russell 30-12, and got beat in the semi's by eventual state champion Belfrey 21-13.

[bigpun]

Pineville- Possible win
Bourbon- Possible win
Powell- Possible win
Breathitt- Definite Loss
Fleming- Definite Loss
Berea- Possible win
Phelps- Possible win
Cawood- Possible win
Magoffin-Possible win
Knott-Possible win

All of the possible wins depend on Estill's injury total staying down and their penalties staying down. It will take almost flawless football to win these 8 possibles.

[F.N.L.]

Go a little deeper in your research. The teams in the district the year you are talking about were : Rockastle, Corbin, Somerset, Wayne, Madison Southern, Powell and Estill. The off teams were Pineville(weak), Magoffin(when they were decent, Caba at QB), Breathitt(1995 State Champions). They lost to Rockastle away, Breathitt away, and Danville away in the 2nd Round of the playoffs which played Breathitt in the Semifinals of the state. I have been watching EASTERN Kentucky football a long time and I think it is the best ball in the state. I am not knocking the kids, they don't control the schedule. The 03' team if they had ANY DEFENSE or could pass when needed would have been playing Belfry in the semi's!

[F.N.L.]

Where are those teams you mentioned? They could renew the contracts instead of driving 2-3 hours to play Phelps and Knott Co.

[F.N.L.]

The 03' team BEAT Russell??? Lost to East Carter and Fleming??? They were not very consistant.

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

Both East Carter and Fleming were 8-2 that year.

[F.N.L.]

They both lost to Russell! I can't remember who else. East Carter usually is not a power house, that was a two team district, Russell and Fleming. Fleming I think lost to Mason also that year. Fleming is usually a consistant playoff team going out in the 2nd Round. Why did Fleming leave their district to go to a different one with longer travel (Cawood). They were always competing w/ Russell for 1st place. I don't think they are going to have better luck competing w/ Breathitt????

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

They were pretty good that year, and historically they are usually a 5-7 wins a year team.
That is the year that they had that big lineman that went on to UK to start as a Fresh. (not 100% on the starting, but had significant PT if he didn't) Carter, I think was his name.

[F.N.L.]

Powell Co has never had a quality coach I can think of. I don't know if they have ever won more than 5 games in a year. Estill Co on the other hand has been in tough districts, played tough teams outside the district constantly in the past. Up untill 95' you mentioned they were always pretty respected. I looked up some of the last couple years, have they won 30 games the last 8-9 years? I don't think they are playing Danville, Scott Co, Clay Co, Jessamine Co, Rockastle Co anymore.

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

That was a tough district on 03. Even though Estill was 8-2, they were the 4 seed. A testament to how tough that district was that year. 1 seed Russell beat 4 North Oldham 21-6/ 2 seed Fleming beat Mercer 42-35/ 3 seed East Carter beat Newport 45-6 / 4 seed Estill lost to Lloyd 62-28. 2nd round Lloyd beats Fleming 63-28, 3rd round Lloyd beats Russell 30-12. You may call Estill beating Russell and losing to Fleming and East not consistant, but maybe it could be that Russell was the one not being consistant, overlooking Estill and getting thier only district loss ever in that district.

[thecoacher]

They both lost to Russell! I can't remember who else. East Carter usually is not a power house, that was a two team district, Russell and Fleming. Fleming I think lost to Mason also that year. Fleming is usually a consistant playoff team going out in the 2nd Round. Why did Fleming leave their district to go to a different one with longer travel (Cawood). They were always competing w/ Russell for 1st place. I don't think they are going to have better luck competing w/ Breathitt????

Fleming was asked to move to even out the districts. If Fleming would have stayed in their old district that would have made a 6 team district (Russell, Mason, East Carter, West Carter, Lewis and Fleming). The other district would have had 4 teams (Breathitt, Estill, Powell, and Cawood) with Cawood leaving, possibly after 1 year. Fleming County already played Breathittt, Powell, and Estill and they were geographically closer to them than any other team in their old district. Now you have two 5 team districts and even if Cawood leaves, the district will still be full (4 teams). So, I don't think Fleming chose Breathitt over Russell, it just worked out that way.

[F.N.L.]

Russell has definately proved they have fixed their inconsistancy. My point is, how can you beat that good of a team and struggle w/ the rest of that district: Morgan, West Carter, Lewis, this is inconsistant. A solid team would roll in that district year in and year out.

[F.N.L.]

Word has it, Fleming requested the move.

[F.N.L.]

You might want to know that based on the change in the classes the schedule was pretty well made up by the end of last season. Also know this fact that we dropped no one from our schedule they dropped us for their new district and all of the other teams that are on the schedule this year called us up to play when we were sitting at 0-5 last season. All of a sudden Estill's not a push over and some people are worried. Whether you like us or don't like get used to us because we will be in your face every week on here and in the paper!:ChairHit:
I have noticed in the last few years some of the teams who have beaten Estill have not been invited back to play. Estill has too much talent to be playing the schedule they are playing this year. Say what you want, they padded the schedule. The kids don't deserve false security by beating teams and the game be over by half.

[F.N.L.]

Fleming was asked to move to even out the districts. If Fleming would have stayed in their old district that would have made a 6 team district (Russell, Mason, East Carter, West Carter, Lewis and Fleming). The other district would have had 4 teams (Breathitt, Estill, Powell, and Cawood) with Cawood leaving, possibly after 1 year. Fleming County already played Breathittt, Powell, and Estill and they were geographically closer to them than any other team in their old district. Now you have two 5 team districts and even if Cawood leaves, the district will still be full (4 teams). So, I don't think Fleming chose Breathitt over Russell, it just worked out that way.
Word has it, Fleming requested the move.

[thecoacher]

Word has it, Fleming requested the move.

I know, the KHSAA posted the reasons why people were moved up a class or from one district to another and it has Flemings reason as the coaches request. However, I can guarantee you that Fleming County (Coach Peterson) was contacted by Gary Deerborne (KHSAA representative from Pendleton County) and asked if they would consider moving. Coach Peterson said yes and they had him fill out the form. If you look at the KHSAA site you will see that many schools requested moves and were denied, if the KHSAA did not want this to take place it would have been denied.
I really don't think Fleming was running from Russell or that new district (they still play many of those teams including Mason County). I also don't think they chose Breathitt over Russell (their track record is about the same against both schools). I think they went with the district that will be more balanced in number of teams allowing them more freedom to play non-district games.
As far as travel goes, the only new trip will be Cawood and that should be a one time deal. The other trips (Breathitt, Powell, and Estill) are not much different than Russell, East Carter, West Carter and Morgan County.

[Neersfan]

I have noticed in the last few years some of the teams who have beaten Estill have not been invited back to play. Estill has too much talent to be playing the schedule they are playing this year. Say what you want, they padded the schedule. The kids don't deserve false security by beating teams and the game be over by half.

We didn't pad the schedule. Like I said it was made by the end of last season by teams calling us and the reclassification. Those teams apparently felt that they could get an easy win by playing us this year. If we still ran the spread they probably would and if we get the big head and believe like some on here do that our schedule is soft we will be right back at 3-7. We are still fairly young in numbers but the attitude is what has changed. The wonderful thing about football is that anybody can beat anybody on any given friday night. I just look forward to putting the pads on seeing what we have. The passing leagues are great but really don't show you what you have , ya know.

[Lucky13]

We didn't pad the schedule. Like I said it was made by the end of last season by teams calling us and the reclassification. Those teams apparently felt that they could get an easy win by playing us this year. If we still ran the spread they probably would and if we get the big head and believe like some on here do that our schedule is soft we will be right back at 3-7. We are still fairly young in numbers but the attitude is what has changed. The wonderful thing about football is that anybody can beat anybody on any given friday night. I just look forward to putting the pads on seeing what we have. The passing leagues are great but really don't show you what you have , ya know.
Especially when you're the Engineers.

[F.N.L.]

We didn't pad the schedule. Like I said it was made by the end of last season by teams calling us and the reclassification. Those teams apparently felt that they could get an easy win by playing us this year. If we still ran the spread they probably would and if we get the big head and believe like some on here do that our schedule is soft we will be right back at 3-7. We are still fairly young in numbers but the attitude is what has changed. The wonderful thing about football is that anybody can beat anybody on any given friday night. I just look forward to putting the pads on seeing what we have. The passing leagues are great but really don't show you what you have , ya know.
I am almost positive all those teams would not call you all, the coaches calling works both ways. I am not trying to disgrace Estill Co football, just saying if you all don't go 8-2 or 9-1regular season, you may need to see where the problem is!!!!

[F.N.L.]

I know, the KHSAA posted the reasons why people were moved up a class or from one district to another and it has Flemings reason as the coaches request. However, I can guarantee you that Fleming County (Coach Peterson) was contacted by Gary Deerborne (KHSAA representative from Pendleton County) and asked if they would consider moving. Coach Peterson said yes and they had him fill out the form. If you look at the KHSAA site you will see that many schools requested moves and were denied, if the KHSAA did not want this to take place it would have been denied.
I really don't think Fleming was running from Russell or that new district (they still play many of those teams including Mason County). I also don't think they chose Breathitt over Russell (their track record is about the same against both schools). I think they went with the district that will be more balanced in number of teams allowing them more freedom to play non-district games.
As far as travel goes, the only new trip will be Cawood and that should be a one time deal. The other trips (Breathitt, Powell, and Estill) are not much different than Russell, East Carter, West Carter and Morgan County.
Makes more sense, rumors flow.

[F.N.L.]

hey fnl thats wat where out to do again and the past is the past and forget about this is now and where comin back to make a team that the best teams wont wanna play because we are going to pur a beatin on any team that gets in our way trample the weak hurdle the dead thats our moto
IF you DON'T have a PAST, you can't have a future!

[F.N.L.]

You might want to know that based on the change in the classes the schedule was pretty well made up by the end of last season. Also know this fact that we dropped no one from our schedule they dropped us for their new district and all of the other teams that are on the schedule this year called us up to play when we were sitting at 0-5 last season. All of a sudden Estill's not a push over and some people are worried. Whether you like us or don't like get used to us because we will be in your face every week on here and in the paper!:ChairHit:
Where is Mercer, Rockastle, Madison Southern? I understand you have to change to form districts. But Phelps and Berea outside the district, come on. Madison Southern is the same distance as Berea and there are 20 teams closer than Phelps!!

[F.N.L.]

Estill could win 6 games. Powell won't be 1 of them though.
I am not sure Powell will be adapted enough to the new system to beat Estill. They play early in the season.

[F.N.L.]

How did Whitaker do at Madison Southern when he was there?
He didn't coach at Madison Southern!

[Neersfan]

Especially when you're the Engineers.

I agree:)

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

I am almost positive all those teams would not call you all, the coaches calling works both ways. I am not trying to disgrace Estill Co football, just saying if you all don't go 8-2 or 9-1regular season, you may need to see where the problem is!!!!

So you are saying this team that was 3-7 last year should go 9-1? Which means they will beat everyone one thier schedule and also either beat Breathitt or Fleming. So by going 9-1 they would have to beat Fleming or Breathitt and if they don't beat one of those two you should "see where the problem is (just because they don't beat one of two really good teams) ???? It's good to have high expectations, but should you start looking "where the problem is" if they go 8-2 or 7-3? Let's not forget that Powell is supposed to be very much improved and Cawood has a new staff and everyone down that way is expecting big things out of them also. It just appears that someone is on a witch hunt??????:confused:

[DevilsWin]

That was a tough district on 03. Even though Estill was 8-2, they were the 4 seed. A testament to how tough that district was that year. 1 seed Russell beat 4 North Oldham 21-6/ 2 seed Fleming beat Mercer 42-35/ 3 seed East Carter beat Newport 45-6 / 4 seed Estill lost to Lloyd 62-28. 2nd round Lloyd beats Fleming 63-28, 3rd round Lloyd beats Russell 30-12. You may call Estill beating Russell and losing to Fleming and East not consistant, but maybe it could be that Russell was the one not being consistant, overlooking Estill and getting thier only district loss ever in that district.
Russell was on their heels the whole night. Estill earned the win in 2003. Probably the best game the school has ever played.

[Lucky13]

Russell was on their heels the whole night. Estill earned the win in 2003. Probably the best game the school has ever played.
I would agree with that. Fleming had Marshall all over the field that night which caused a lot of match up problems with Estill, and East Carter played a great game against Estill that year, which resulted in a one point win.

[jc#44]

IF you DON'T have a PAST, you can't have a future!

yea that is true but the past is long forgotten with estill county we have a new team and a new season and future and what happend last year dosnt mean nothing to us and what happend 10 years ago dosnt mean anything to us just come watch us play you say our scheduel is weak and you can belive what you want but i know for a fact that we arnt weak and that we dont care who we play we are gonna go balls out on every play and where gonna punish anyone that gets in our way

[F.N.L.]

So you are saying this team that was 3-7 last year should go 9-1? Which means they will beat everyone one thier schedule and also either beat Breathitt or Fleming. So by going 9-1 they would have to beat Fleming or Breathitt and if they don't beat one of those two you should "see where the problem is (just because they don't beat one of two really good teams) ???? It's good to have high expectations, but should you start looking "where the problem is" if they go 8-2 or 7-3? Let's not forget that Powell is supposed to be very much improved and Cawood has a new staff and everyone down that way is expecting big things out of them also. It just appears that someone is on a witch hunt??????:confused:
Look at the schedule. They can't help but go 8-2 at the minimum. The teams they are playing didn't have a combined 15-20 wins last year. They have had 1 winning season in the last 10 plus years. They should have another this year, but out in the first round of playoffs. If not, big problem somewhere!

[F.N.L.]

yea that is true but the past is long forgotten with estill county we have a new team and a new season and future and what happend last year dosnt mean nothing to us and what happend 10 years ago dosnt mean anything to us just come watch us play you say our scheduel is weak and you can belive what you want but i know for a fact that we arnt weak and that we dont care who we play we are gonna go balls out on every play and where gonna punish anyone that gets in our way
You all should punish everyone you play, look up their past! Breathitt and Fleming are going to be difference makers, Fleming is less physical than Breathitt. The past means more than you think! Best of luck!

[F.N.L.]

I would agree with that. Fleming had Marshall all over the field that night which caused a lot of match up problems with Estill, and East Carter played a great game against Estill that year, which resulted in a one point win.
Estill should have beat Fleming by 3 TD's that year. Estill had NO DEFENSE against anyone except Nicholas Co. and Powell Co. Look up 03', it don't lie. How Russell didn't score more is ridiculous.

[F.N.L.]

Russell was on their heels the whole night. Estill earned the win in 2003. Probably the best game the school has ever played.
I wouldn't go that far. That school has a long history. They have beaten some pretty good teams.

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

So you are saying if Estill don't go 8-2 and win a playoff game, there, "is a big problem"?

Remember how the playoff format has changed. To win a playoff game means that they will either a) Probably have to beat Cawood, Powell, and one of the big two in the reg. season to have a higher seed and play at home. or b) Beat Cawood, and or Powell being a 3 or 4 seed and beat one of the big two in the playoffs.

It seems that you have some type of axe to grind with someone at Estill ???? Who has made you so bitter towards the Neers?

I mean seriously, you are implying that If you were to go let's say 7-3, and loose to Breathitt or Fleming in the 1st round of the playoffs there "is a big problem"?????

Looks like someone is on a witch hunt.

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

From 1990 to 1999 Estill had 3 winning seasons, and one playoff win with 2 diff. HC's. The current HC did not start at Estill until 2001.

Does this meet the criteria for "a big problem somewhere"?

The current HC has been there 6 of the last 10 years that has been mentioned in another post about only having one winning season in the last ten years. the one before him was there two years, and to round out the 10 years in question was the last year of another HC.

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

From 1990 to 1999 Estill had 3 winning seasons, and one playoff win with 2 diff. HC's. The current HC did not start at Estill until 2001.

Does this meet the criteria for "a big problem somewhere"?

The current HC has been there 6 of the last 10 years that has been mentioned in another post about only having one winning season in the last ten years. the one before him was there two years, and to round out the 10 years in question was the last year of another HC.







With old age my math is getting pretty bad. The above was only 9 years......change the underlined part to last two years of another HC.

Once you get past the big 50, it seems that one starts to slip a little!!!

[F.N.L.]

Have you seen the talent that has went through that program. I see them usually once a year maybe twice. I am just saying it has been on a steay downhill ride. Now that the schedule is what it is, think about it. Is Powell or Cawood really going to give Estill fits? Pineville is not, Bourbon longest losing streak in the state, Phelps lost to Powell who won one game, Magoffin won 3, Knott Co usually not upper tier? No axes to grind here, just stating facts. They should be loaded. They should have 7 of the 10 games out of hand by the half!

[OLDTIMER#1]

Have you seen the talent that has went through that program. I see them usually once a year maybe twice. I am just saying it has been on a steay downhill ride. Now that the schedule is what it is, think about it. Is Powell or Cawood really going to give Estill fits? Pineville is not, Bourbon longest losing streak in the state, Phelps lost to Powell who won one game, Magoffin won 3, Knott Co usually not upper tier? No axes to grind here, just stating facts. They should be loaded. They should have 7 of the 10 games out of hand by the half!
Sounds like you guys need to look up some history. You make Estill sound like they are just starting Football.

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

Not trying to imply that. I guess the main point I'm trying to make is that the talent/records over the past couple of decades have been cyclical. There will be a couple of down years, then things improve, and then they usually peak out with a really good team and then fall back down again. Not trying to make it seem like they were your stereotypical cellar dwellers. Estill does have some tradition, and a reputation of getting after people. Word is in Irvine, that the Junior class has some promise, the Freshman class has alot of #'s and talent, also the 8th grade team at the Middle School is expecting to gave a pretty good year. So let's hope that the BIG E is on the upswing and will ride out this peak and sustain a little longer.

[Neersfan]

Russell was on their heels the whole night. Estill earned the win in 2003. Probably the best game the school has ever played.

Russell is a class act as far as football team staff and fans go. When went in there last year we didn't know what to think but at the end the better football team won. I was sorry to see the state finals end the way it did but they played a great game comsodering that Mercer should have really been considered a class higher than the one they were playing in. They had two schools combined into one team and should been playing 3A.

[jc#44]

You all should punish everyone you play, look up their past! Breathitt and Fleming are going to be difference makers, Fleming is less physical than Breathitt. The past means more than you think! Best of luck!

ok you say that it dose and you can go on and belive that but from what i know about football you can be a team that wins less than 5 games on season and the next go undefeated see FNL the past is a greater thing in history but in football what happend a year ago dosnt mean a thing i just hope that you can come and realize that

[F.N.L.]

ok you say that it dose and you can go on and belive that but from what i know about football you can be a team that wins less than 5 games on season and the next go undefeated see FNL the past is a greater thing in history but in football what happend a year ago dosnt mean a thing i just hope that you can come and realize that
You have a good attitude jc. You need to remember other people have been where you are, so they may know a little more.

[F.N.L.]

Sounds like you guys need to look up some history. You make Estill sound like they are just starting Football.

How much history do you now about Estill football old timer?:confused:

[OLDTIMER#1]

How much history do you now about Estill football old timer?:confused:
More than you or anyone on this site!!!!

[Midee1]

More than you or anyone on this site!!!!

Pretty bold comment there oldtimer.

Please leave the personal attacks out of the discussion. It is about Estil 2007. Not who has the most knowledge of the entire football program.

[thecavemaster]

Estill has had some great players over the years
(Wiseman, Abney, Bennett, the Nieces, Richardson,)
and some very fine teams. They have faced tough
district competiton over the years (Lincoln Co.,
Rockcastle Co., Russell) and have not come out
favorably in big games. They do NOT have a consistent
tradition of excellence in football, but, like so
many school with low numbers in football, every so often
a group comes along and posts good win totals. The
effect of talent upon coaching is greater than the effect
of coaching upon talent: coaches, for the most part, know
the sport and work extremely hard. While debate is interesting,
even a modicum of logic often goes out the window. As
the commercial says, "clean it up."

[VLW53]

We also have never had a feeder program at Estill either. I started a youth program 5 years ago and this years freshman are the first group out of it. So if we can keep this youth program going you will be able to see more changes years to come. Everyone knows you need some sort of feeder program to be successful. This is why I'm working my butt off trying to make changes.

[dblwinger]

one playoff game, but to hear them talk it was every year

[dblwinger]

pikeville used to play weak schedule, and was healthy going into playoffs

[dblwinger]

thanks, appreciate the props for coach jones, estill was in playoffs jones second yr and third year, 2 yrs ago started 9 freshmen, those 9 were soph last year, 3 yrs ago had two outstanding rbs. move out, the neers need to start with success like they ended last year, they didnt want the season to end

[dblwinger]

yea they do, its time, estill has not had a good coaching staff until last yr, everything is much better, back in those day estill had a good staff, hey coach jones and bebo did those two playoff yrs all by their lonesome, now they have the staff, and been preparing those 9 jrs for two yrs

[dblwinger]

coach jones is the problem. i think mike yeagle at beechwood, ivan mcglone at russell, some guys in ga and fla, would say, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[jc#44]

We also have never had a feeder program at Estill either. I started a youth program 5 years ago and this years freshman are the first group out of it. So if we can keep this youth program going you will be able to see more changes years to come. Everyone knows you need some sort of feeder program to be successful. This is why I'm working my butt off trying to make changes.

Exactly right and thats why we are gonna improve and keep on improving we have athletes that know football and know our system and it all starts with the youth league and the dedication by the people that coach it just because they love the game and to around the kids and its looking pretty good

[bluegrassballa]

i think estill will do pretty good....they will lose to breathitt an fleming....powell will be a toss up....whichever team scores frst will be the victors....the rest they will definitely win.

[F.N.L.]

i think estill will do pretty good....they will lose to breathitt an fleming....powell will be a toss up....whichever team scores frst will be the victors....the rest they will definitely win.

If Powell is a toss up, everyone they play except BC and FC will be a toss up!!!

[RIP_28]

You have a good attitude jc. You need to remember other people have been where you are, so they may know a little more.
tell 'um TEEN WOLF(LOL)

[RIP_28]

Estill has a good solid center in the Pucket kid. Can't wait to see the match up vs. Powell's 6'3, 330 lb nose guard who benches 350lbs.(HARLAN ELAM). Alot of people mistake Harlan for soft, BUT I PROMISE YOU , HE WILL NOT BE SOFT AND HE'S GOT SOMETHING TO PROVE IN THIS ONE.

[RIP_28]

This game will be a defining moment for Harlan. HE WILL TAKE NO PRISONERS OR LEAVE NO DOUBT. Not a player on Estill's line will match his size or strength. Now all Estill will do is double team him but he defeats double teams on a daily basis.

[RIP_28]

All this " BE ONE FOUR LEGGED MAN" crap don't work in this one. I promise you he will knock centers backwards. 6'3, 330 and comming off the ball with " SOMETHING TO PROVE VS. ESTILL".

[Midee1]

This game will be a defining moment for Harlan. HE WILL TAKE NO PRISONERS OR LEAVE NO DOUBT. Not a player on Estill's line will match his size or strength. Now all Estill will do is double team him but he defeats double teams on a daily basis.


I watched Russell's noseguard in 05 get double teamed many times and he was only 6' and 225. He went up against several big centers and never really had any problems with them. If the Elam kid can't at his size there is a definate problem.

[ecqb8]

Our line will have no problem containing this harlan kid. the ball will be by him before he even gets out of his stance. the double wing offense just happens too fast for a 300+ lb lineman to stop.

[ecqb8]

ok so this nose guard is big and strong...right? ok. he better be quick if he wants to stop our offense. he's got about a second before we make the pitch and the wingback is across the line with 4 blockers in front of him. this guy is gonna have his work cut out for him if he plans to stop us on his own, but then again he probably won't even be out of his stance by the time the ball crosses the line of scrimmage.

[F.N.L.]

tell 'um TEEN WOLF(LOL)

tryin' too Boiler Man! Elam kid at Powell is as good as he wants to be. They should be solid up front. If the new system is hitting early, they will give people fits.

[F.N.L.]

Just curious, what does he have to prove against Estill? Wasn't Ledford out last year when they played?

[F.N.L.]

I hear they are working triple teams on him? Any truth? If so, that leaves most offenses bad out numbered up front. If he is that tough and has the grades, he should be D-1 or at least 1-AA.

[Neersfan]

This game will be a defining moment for Harlan. HE WILL TAKE NO PRISONERS OR LEAVE NO DOUBT. Not a player on Estill's line will match his size or strength. Now all Estill will do is double team him but he defeats double teams on a daily basis.

My thoughts are that he can be as big as a house and he can practice against double teams in practice but can he take four quarters of getting pounded play after play after play? Size is great but not always enough. Alot of guys look good in the gym and in uniform but when it comes down to it is your giant gonna "Get down or Lay down?"

[NEERSFAN2270]

I love it when an opposing team is so worried that they try to play mind games with the players.... Little do they know how mentally tough Estill is!!!!

[Neersfan]

I love it when an opposing team is so worried that they try to play mind games with the players.... Little do they know how mentally tough Estill is!!!!

I would like to second that comment. I love it that Estill has gotten in so many peoples heads on here. I think that the kid from Powell being focused on us may cause him problems because he should be focusing on game 1 and worry about game 3 when it's time.:howdy:

[NEERSFAN2270]

I would like to second that comment. I love it that Estill has gotten in so many peoples heads on here. I think that the kid from Powell being focused on us may cause him problems because he should be focusing on game 1 and worry about game 3 when it's time.:howdy:
I totally agree. Some of Powell's opposition may have to give Estill partial credit for their victories over Powell....

[ecqb8]

this kid may be big and strong but how quick is he cuz thats what it comes down to if a nose guard is gonna be succesful against our offense. id be willing to bet he'll still be in his stance by the time the ball crosses the line of scrimmage.

[F.N.L.]

Why would that be? Sounds like Estill is saying and doing the same things on here. Sounds like the horn is blowing before the train has even started moving.

[F.N.L.]

My thoughts are that he can be as big as a house and he can practice against double teams in practice but can he take four quarters of getting pounded play after play after play? Size is great but not always enough. Alot of guys look good in the gym and in uniform but when it comes down to it is your giant gonna "Get down or Lay down?"

If he is taking up that much space and personell, his opponents will be taking 4 quarters of pounding as well. The offense will be out numbered any way you want to look at it.

[F.N.L.]

I totally agree. Some of Powell's opposition may have to give Estill partial credit for their victories over Powell....

Why would that be. Sounds like Estill is doing the same things on here. It seems the horn is blowing before the train has started moving.

[NEERSFAN2270]

What??? You already hear the horn blowing??? Dude you need to seriously step back and take a moment to get the Engineers out of your head.

[VLW53]

F.N.L. I never get on here and talk smack or make any other rude comments but it seems to me that you are bitter at Estill or someone at Estill. I usually just get on here and read the post and laugh at most. Because most people who are making stupid comments are just kids or have know idea what they are talking about. I would like you to be at the Estill vs Powell game and would like to shake your hand after it.

[dblwinger]

west carter had a bunch of those guys, 3 or 4 of them that could bench big wt. at the end of 2nd qtr, they had their hands on hips asking for oxygen or a buddy to relieve them, estill beat west carter 36-15, its a war of attrition, and fnl, you can never , ever ever ever outnumber the dbl wing at point of attack, unless you play with 20

[dblwinger]

all of estill's players need to take care of business at hand, worry about powell wk 3, then you can give them a DOSE of dbl wing tea

[Neersfan]

If he is taking up that much space and personell, his opponents will be taking 4 quarters of pounding as well. The offense will be out numbered any way you want to look at it.

I don't know if you have never seen us play,don't understand the doublewing or maybe you don't know football but if the kid is not quick he is no factor. The "toss" will have happened and he will still be in his stance. I'm not being rude about it but facts are facts. If he wants to out muscle our center then thats fine because by the time he's through wrestling with him the ball won't be there.
This thread is about what Estill can do to improve and thoughts about the upcoming season NOT about some personal vendetta that you have against the "Neers".
You almost sound like you were fired or not hired by Estill or something.
Let's keep it clean

[F.N.L.]

west carter had a bunch of those guys, 3 or 4 of them that could bench big wt. at the end of 2nd qtr, they had their hands on hips asking for oxygen or a buddy to relieve them, estill beat west carter 36-15, its a war of attrition, and fnl, you can never , ever ever ever outnumber the dbl wing at point of attack, unless you play with 20

You guys should win state then. Sounds like you just have to show up. I would like to see another eastern kentucky team win it.

[F.N.L.]

I don't know if you have never seen us play,don't understand the doublewing or maybe you don't know football but if the kid is not quick he is no factor. The "toss" will have happened and he will still be in his stance. I'm not being rude about it but facts are facts. If he wants to out muscle our center then thats fine because by the time he's through wrestling with him the ball won't be there.
This thread is about what Estill can do to improve and thoughts about the upcoming season NOT about some personal vendetta that you have against the "Neers".
You almost sound like you were fired or not hired by Estill or something.
Let's keep it clean

I'm keeping it clean, just quoting what you said back to you. No ties with Estill and haven't applied for any position. Any personal vendetta would not be directed toward kids. Estill hasn't fired anyone I have heard of anyway in the past pal.

[F.N.L.]

F.N.L. I never get on here and talk smack or make any other rude comments but it seems to me that you are bitter at Estill or someone at Estill. I usually just get on here and read the post and laugh at most. Because most people who are making stupid comments are just kids or have know idea what they are talking about. I would like you to be at the Estill vs Powell game and would like to shake your hand after it.

Thanks for the invitation but I think I will be watching a little farther in eastern kentucky.

[F.N.L.]

What??? You already hear the horn blowing??? Dude you need to seriously step back and take a moment to get the Engineers out of your head.

Thanks, I will. Try not to get so excited, I know it's football season. Like another fan on here said, let's keep it clean. If you are gonna talk, you need to be open to other peoples opinions.

[jc#44]

Ok this is to everyone that dawgs ESTILL come watch us play any game that you want because we are not gonna argue with you and where not gonna come on here and brag about how strong we are and big and what we can and cant do to try to intimidate you we're gonna leave it on the field we are going to be going balls to the walls every down of every series no matter what the score is so come watch us play and then you can have the privlage to talk about us

[F.N.L.]

I don't know if you have never seen us play,don't understand the doublewing or maybe you don't know football but if the kid is not quick he is no factor. The "toss" will have happened and he will still be in his stance. I'm not being rude about it but facts are facts. If he wants to out muscle our center then thats fine because by the time he's through wrestling with him the ball won't be there.
This thread is about what Estill can do to improve and thoughts about the upcoming season NOT about some personal vendetta that you have against the "Neers".
You almost sound like you were fired or not hired by Estill or something.
Let's keep it clean

I was replying to rip and what he had to say, that shouldn't offend the "NEERS".

[F.N.L.]

Ok this is to everyone that dawgs ESTILL come watch us play any game that you want because we are not gonna argue with you and where not gonna come on here and brag about how strong we are and big and what we can and cant do to try to intimidate you we're gonna leave it on the field we are going to be going balls to the walls every down of every series no matter what the score is so come watch us play and then you can have the privlage to talk about us


No one is badging ESTILL. Why are you all so defensive?

[ecqb8]

Ok this is to everyone that dawgs ESTILL come watch us play any game that you want because we are not gonna argue with you and where not gonna come on here and brag about how strong we are and big and what we can and cant do to try to intimidate you we're gonna leave it on the field we are going to be going balls to the walls every down of every series no matter what the score is so come watch us play and then you can have the privlage to talk about us

well said covey! we'll see how big and bad powell is in week 3 but right now all we're thinkin about is game one when we get the train a rollin!!

[jc#44]

No one is badging ESTILL. Why are you all so defensive?

ok what do you call what your doing everytime you say somthing your doing it to one dawg us or two be a smart about somthing and thats not cool so if your gonna say anything just say what you think we are gonna do record wise or what your opinon is about our team as a whole or dont say nothing at all

[F.N.L.]

ok what do you call what your doing everytime you say somthing your doing it to one dawg us or two be a smart about somthing and thats not cool so if your gonna say anything just say what you think we are gonna do record wise or what your opinon is about our team as a whole or dont say nothing at all

My opinion is 8-2 or 9-1 if you can get a couple of breaks. Depending on where you play Breathitt, Fleming, and Cawood possibly 10-0. Haven't seen your team and may not this year, going by talk and statistics. I will say what I want, that is my right as an american. One thing I won't do is put down kids. So if you are being offended I apologize, gently remove the chip.

[jc#44]

My opinion is 8-2 or 9-1 if you can get a couple of breaks. Depending on where you play Breathitt, Fleming, and Cawood possibly 10-0. Haven't seen your team and may not this year, going by talk and statistics. I will say what I want, that is my right as an american. One thing I won't do is put down kids. So if you are being offended I apologize, gently remove the chip.

ok thank you that is much better and we at estill appreciate that and breathitt and cawood are both at home but fleming is away and it would be nice for you to come watch us play and then you can talk about what you know from seeing us aswell

[F.N.L.]

ok thank you that is much better and we at estill appreciate that and breathitt and cawood are both at home but fleming is away and it would be nice for you to come watch us play and then you can talk about what you know from seeing us aswell


Thanks but probably won't get that far west.

[jc#44]

Thanks but probably won't get that far west.

o well you should try anyways it would be worth the drive i can guarntee it

[RIP_28]

Alot of you guys are saying or implying that the double wing is a quick hitting offense, NOT TRUE AT ALL. The wedge play is the only possible quick hitter at all, The trap out of it is even slow. Quickness isn't a major factor at all vs. the double wing, Being disciplined is the key. They wan't you to over concentrate on their power play so they can run counter or joker opposite. Double wing runners are not open filed runners. They rely on fb kick out and guard and tackle lead blocks. You run the double wing and get behind , PLAIN AND SIMPLE YOU LOSE. I have said all along that I feel Estill will have a good year and I said the 6'3 330 lb nose guard Elam will have a big challenge against Pucket because he will be one of the bigger, better centers Powell will see this season. Like I said before, Elam will be the biggest, strongest man on the field in that game. He dominated every lineman challenge Powell has had vs. even Clark co. If Elam shows up and plays the way he can Estill can not block him. Elam has something to prove in this one simply because Estill's center is a solid player and a big kid as well. Elam is a brute and alot of people have the misconception he's a big teddy bear because he's a good kid, ELAM WILL BE THE BIGGEST,STRONGEST PLAYER ESTILL SEES ALL YEAR AND HE WILL HAVE A LIL' ATTITUDE TO GO WITH IT.

[F.N.L.]

Alot of you guys are saying or implying that the double wing is a quick hitting offense, NOT TRUE AT ALL. The wedge play is the only possible quick hitter at all, The trap out of it is even slow. Quickness isn't a major factor at all vs. the double wing, Being disciplined is the key. They wan't you to over concentrate on their power play so they can run counter or joker opposite. Double wing runners are not open filed runners. They rely on fb kick out and guard and tackle lead blocks. You run the double wing and get behind , PLAIN AND SIMPLE YOU LOSE. I have said all along that I feel Estill will have a good year and I said the 6'3 330 lb nose guard Elam will have a big challenge against Pucket because he will be one of the bigger, better centers Powell will see this season. Like I said before, Elam will be the biggest, strongest man on the field in that game. He dominated every lineman challenge Powell has had vs. even Clark co. If Elam shows up and plays the way he can Estill can not block him. Elam has something to prove in this one simply because Estill's center is a solid player and a big kid as well. Elam is a brute and alot of people have the misconception he's a big teddy bear because he's a good kid, ELAM WILL BE THE BIGGEST,STRONGEST PLAYER ESTILL SEES ALL YEAR AND HE WILL HAVE A LIL' ATTITUDE TO GO WITH IT.

Sounds like you have running teams in trouble w/ this kid. Will he be able too pass rush?
Just too let you know, your in a thread with thin skin. :redboxer:

[jc#44]

Alot of you guys are saying or implying that the double wing is a quick hitting offense, NOT TRUE AT ALL. The wedge play is the only possible quick hitter at all, The trap out of it is even slow. Quickness isn't a major factor at all vs. the double wing, Being disciplined is the key. They wan't you to over concentrate on their power play so they can run counter or joker opposite. Double wing runners are not open filed runners. They rely on fb kick out and guard and tackle lead blocks. You run the double wing and get behind , PLAIN AND SIMPLE YOU LOSE. I have said all along that I feel Estill will have a good year and I said the 6'3 330 lb nose guard Elam will have a big challenge against Pucket because he will be one of the bigger, better centers Powell will see this season. Like I said before, Elam will be the biggest, strongest man on the field in that game. He dominated every lineman challenge Powell has had vs. even Clark co. If Elam shows up and plays the way he can Estill can not block him. Elam has something to prove in this one simply because Estill's center is a solid player and a big kid as well. Elam is a brute and alot of people have the misconception he's a big teddy bear because he's a good kid, ELAM WILL BE THE BIGGEST,STRONGEST PLAYER ESTILL SEES ALL YEAR AND HE WILL HAVE A LIL' ATTITUDE TO GO WITH IT.


rip its real nice for you to say stuff like that and i just want you to know that what your doing dosnt matter because we could care less if he was 400lbs and he might as well be but by the time he gets through puckett the ball is gonna be running up the field for a td and the double wing dose have open field runners we have good lead blocks and asre smart enough to know that you dont have to block people of the complete other side of the ball every play and i personally belive you should just stick to the powell thread cause the more we hear your talk about this kid the more fired up we get and were to the point now that we cant waite to play you and everyone else just to show and prove that we are the real deal

[VLW53]

F.N.L. Do you coach or just an observer? Not being rude, was just wondering.

[Neersfan]

Alot of you guys are saying or implying that the double wing is a quick hitting offense, NOT TRUE AT ALL. The wedge play is the only possible quick hitter at all, The trap out of it is even slow. Quickness isn't a major factor at all vs. the double wing, Being disciplined is the key. They wan't you to over concentrate on their power play so they can run counter or joker opposite. Double wing runners are not open filed runners. They rely on fb kick out and guard and tackle lead blocks. You run the double wing and get behind , PLAIN AND SIMPLE YOU LOSE. I have said all along that I feel Estill will have a good year and I said the 6'3 330 lb nose guard Elam will have a big challenge against Pucket because he will be one of the bigger, better centers Powell will see this season. Like I said before, Elam will be the biggest, strongest man on the field in that game. He dominated every lineman challenge Powell has had vs. even Clark co. If Elam shows up and plays the way he can Estill can not block him. Elam has something to prove in this one simply because Estill's center is a solid player and a big kid as well. Elam is a brute and alot of people have the misconception he's a big teddy bear because he's a good kid, ELAM WILL BE THE BIGGEST,STRONGEST PLAYER ESTILL SEES ALL YEAR AND HE WILL HAVE A LIL' ATTITUDE TO GO WITH IT.
RIP you should really know more about the doublewing before say that the running backs are not open field runners. Look at Clovis East High School in California and Colonel White High School out of Dayton Ohio. The latter of the two schools had three 1000 yds rushers last year. If this kid is as good as you say he is I think that is great for him and the program. Maybe it will help exposure for the program. I just want to know where this kid was last year when we played. Did he play us. If so he has really improved tremendously because I don't recall seeing a show stoppper on the line last year.
Quickness is a factor in any aspect of football so I would say that you may have been mislead about the doublewing but I like that you use the term "Joker". You may be a bit closer to Estill County than some think or know ...huh?

[VLW53]

Alot of you guys are saying or implying that the double wing is a quick hitting offense, NOT TRUE AT ALL. The wedge play is the only possible quick hitter at all, The trap out of it is even slow. Quickness isn't a major factor at all vs. the double wing, Being disciplined is the key. They wan't you to over concentrate on their power play so they can run counter or joker opposite. Double wing runners are not open filed runners. They rely on fb kick out and guard and tackle lead blocks. You run the double wing and get behind , PLAIN AND SIMPLE YOU LOSE. I have said all along that I feel Estill will have a good year and I said the 6'3 330 lb nose guard Elam will have a big challenge against Pucket because he will be one of the bigger, better centers Powell will see this season. Like I said before, Elam will be the biggest, strongest man on the field in that game. He dominated every lineman challenge Powell has had vs. even Clark co. If Elam shows up and plays the way he can Estill can not block him. Elam has something to prove in this one simply because Estill's center is a solid player and a big kid as well. Elam is a brute and alot of people have the misconception he's a big teddy bear because he's a good kid, ELAM WILL BE THE BIGGEST,STRONGEST PLAYER ESTILL SEES ALL YEAR AND HE WILL HAVE A LIL' ATTITUDE TO GO WITH IT.

RIP that shows how much you know about the double wing or even understand it. The wedge is a slow devolpeing play. You need to understand it before you comment on it. Doulbe wing demands alot of speed that you just dont see. Not to be rude but thats just hoe it is.

[RUNNING DOWNHILL]

A degree of civility would be nice. This thread has strayed away from the title. It's more of a Powell vs. Estill thread and double wing debate. Someone please close this thread and we all can revisit it in a couple of months when it is a little more timely. Both sides need to show a little more respect for one another. Football is the greatest sport on this Earth, but it is still just a game.:D I've been guilty of doing the same. This reflects poorly on the teams and communities involved.

[RIP_28]

HERE'S EXACTLY HOW LITTLE I KNOW ABOUT THE DOUBLE WING:
FORMATIONS=TIGHT,LOOSE,SPLIT, OR SOME EVEN RUN A "BEAST" FORMATION
GENERALLY YOUR SNAP COUNT WILL BE SOMETHING LIKE THIS=DOWN,GO,READY,HIT.
Typically motion begins on ready, snap on hit OH YEAH and all no motion plays usually on GO. BASIC RUN PLAYS ARE= POWER or some call it Rip 26 power or liz 47 power.
Blocking is basicaly=PLayside G, Playside T= G.O.D. block, If inside man on a double team,
NEVER FORGET to get your eyes inside so ya can come off that double for any inside threat. Center has a M.O.M.A. block and I'm sure you know what that is.
ya know MAN ON MAN AWAY just in case you don't know the double wing.
coaching point for the backside tackle BE SURE WHEN YOU PULL TO GET YOUR SHOULDERS SQUARE TO THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE AND LEAD UP THE HOLE.
ON THE WAY LOOK INSIDE FOR ANY LB'ERS WHO MIGHT HAVE THE URGE TO BLITZ.
Backside G see the above coment. Once ya get through the hole LOOK INSIDE TO WALL OFF or simply IF NOONES there lead upfield.
Let's not forget the infamous SHOESHINE block(CUT) by the backside TE either.
I almost forgot about the qb. You got to get him to stand pigeon toed to recieve the snap, open to motion, pitch to the motion(on power) then continue around and look upfield/outside to kick out usually a corner. YES YOUR QB IS ACTUALLY A BLOCKER.
You also have COUNTER might be called RIP 45 counter, I'm sure what ya call it varies.
Playside wing fakes Toss(power) after his 2 step slide motion. COACHING POINT=MAKE SURE YOU STAY DEEP ENOUGH TO STAY OUTSIDE THE RUNNING LANE OF THE COUNTERING OPPOSITE WING BACK. Then you have trap in which your qb will fake pitch to the motion with his back to the "D". COACHING POINT= QB PULL BALL TO THE BELLY and continue your rotation( be sure to sell power) hand off then continue as if you were lead blocking for POWER. LET'S NOT CONFUSE POWER WITH SWEEP OR CAN BE CALLED A FAMILIAR NAME LIKE 'RIP 28' . A lil' different on your pulling action now, PSG= YOUR RESPONSIBILITY IS LB'ER CLOSEST TO THE P.O.A.( point of attack) on your pull.
You might wanna get a lil' depth to get around the block on the D.E. SO WE SHOULD NOW ALL KNOW THAT YOUR BACKSIDE GUARDS RESPONSIBILITY IS= The 2nd lb'er from the point of attack(P.O.A.) Your gonna need to get a lil' depth as well on your pull.
Your playside Tackle is probably gonna block the "1" MAN OR IN SIMPLER TERMS=THE FIRST MAN PAST THE CENTER TO THE PLAYSIDE. be sure not to let the defense pursue the pulling guard. Now the playside tight end will block the "2" man or to simplify this, 2ND MAN PAST THE CENTER TO THE PLAYSIDE. Inside man double. BUT YA GOTTA BE READY TO COME OFF .
Do not be fooled here, I do know the double wing offense. I know the backfield action as well as ALL the blocking assignments. If you have any particular traditional double wing play you'd like to discuss let me know or fire away.

[RIP_28]

RIP that shows how much you know about the double wing or even understand it. The wedge is a slow devolpeing play. You need to understand it before you comment on it. Doulbe wing demands alot of speed that you just dont see. Not to be rude but thats just hoe it is.Since your the double wing guru here how bout I pick your brain about it 53???????????????? I backed it up , CAN YOU?????;)

[F.N.L.]

Since your the double wing guru here how bout I pick your brain about it 53???????????????? I backed it up , CAN YOU?????;)

Sounds like you have coached the T a time or so. You took up all the space in this thread w/ your reply, good but a lot of space. You could have just said yes or something.

[F.N.L.]

HERE'S EXACTLY HOW LITTLE I KNOW ABOUT THE DOUBLE WING:
FORMATIONS=TIGHT,LOOSE,SPLIT, OR SOME EVEN RUN A "BEAST" FORMATION
GENERALLY YOUR SNAP COUNT WILL BE SOMETHING LIKE THIS=DOWN,GO,READY,HIT.
Typically motion begins on ready, snap on hit OH YEAH and all no motion plays usually on GO. BASIC RUN PLAYS ARE= POWER or some call it Rip 26 power or liz 47 power.
Blocking is basicaly=PLayside G, Playside T= G.O.D. block, If inside man on a double team,
NEVER FORGET to get your eyes inside so ya can come off that double for any inside threat. Center has a M.O.M.A. block and I'm sure you know what that is.
ya know MAN ON MAN AWAY just in case you don't know the double wing.
coaching point for the backside tackle BE SURE WHEN YOU PULL TO GET YOUR SHOULDERS SQUARE TO THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE AND LEAD UP THE HOLE.
ON THE WAY LOOK INSIDE FOR ANY LB'ERS WHO MIGHT HAVE THE URGE TO BLITZ.
Backside G see the above coment. Once ya get through the hole LOOK INSIDE TO WALL OFF or simply IF NOONES there lead upfield.
Let's not forget the infamous SHOESHINE block(CUT) by the backside TE either.
I almost forgot about the qb. You got to get him to stand pigeon toed to recieve the snap, open to motion, pitch to the motion(on power) then continue around and look upfield/outside to kick out usually a corner. YES YOUR QB IS ACTUALLY A BLOCKER.
You also have COUNTER might be called RIP 45 counter, I'm sure what ya call it varies.
Playside wing fakes Toss(power) after his 2 step slide motion. COACHING POINT=MAKE SURE YOU STAY DEEP ENOUGH TO STAY OUTSIDE THE RUNNING LANE OF THE COUNTERING OPPOSITE WING BACK. Then you have trap in which your qb will fake pitch to the motion with his back to the "D". COACHING POINT= QB PULL BALL TO THE BELLY and continue your rotation( be sure to sell power) hand off then continue as if you were lead blocking for POWER. LET'S NOT CONFUSE POWER WITH SWEEP OR CAN BE CALLED A FAMILIAR NAME LIKE 'RIP 28' . A lil' different on your pulling action now, PSG= YOUR RESPONSIBILITY IS LB'ER CLOSEST TO THE P.O.A.( point of attack) on your pull.
You might wanna get a lil' depth to get around the block on the D.E. SO WE SHOULD NOW ALL KNOW THAT YOUR BACKSIDE GUARDS RESPONSIBILITY IS= The 2nd lb'er from the point of attack(P.O.A.) Your gonna need to get a lil' depth as well on your pull.
Your playside Tackle is probably gonna block the "1" MAN OR IN SIMPLER TERMS=THE FIRST MAN PAST THE CENTER TO THE PLAYSIDE. be sure not to let the defense pursue the pulling guard. Now the playside tight end will block the "2" man or to simplify this, 2ND MAN PAST THE CENTER TO THE PLAYSIDE. Inside man double. BUT YA GOTTA BE READY TO COME OFF .
Do not be fooled here, I do know the double wing offense. I know the backfield action as well as ALL the blocking assignments. If you have any particular traditional double wing play you'd like to discuss let me know or fire away.

Hard to reply when a book has been wrote. The T is one of the oldest offenses ever run....
Can anyone on here talk about Defense or some other type of offense. If this keeps up they will start making shirts about this thread. Last team to win state w/ T Clark Co. They were so good they could have run anything. They packed a stingy D with them also.

[F.N.L.]

RIP you should really know more about the doublewing before say that the running backs are not open field runners. Look at Clovis East High School in California and Colonel White High School out of Dayton Ohio. The latter of the two schools had three 1000 yds rushers last year. If this kid is as good as you say he is I think that is great for him and the program. Maybe it will help exposure for the program. I just want to know where this kid was last year when we played. Did he play us. If so he has really improved tremendously because I don't recall seeing a show stoppper on the line last year.
Quickness is a factor in any aspect of football so I would say that you may have been mislead about the doublewing but I like that you use the term "Joker". You may be a bit closer to Estill County than some think or know ...huh?


This isn't California and definately not Ohio football. Mercer Co. had three 1000 yrd rushers last year, didn't do it out of the T. They could have done it out of anything, especially in the class they were in. They got away w/ a good one.

[F.N.L.]

F.N.L. Do you coach or just an observer? Not being rude, was just wondering.

I have coached several places for several years. When I am not coaching I am observing.

[RIP_28]

Hard to reply when a book has been wrote. The T is one of the oldest offenses ever run....
Can anyone on here talk about Defense or some other type of offense. If this keeps up they will start making shirts about this thread. Last team to win state w/ T Clark Co. They were so good they could have run anything. They packed a stingy D with them also.
The double wing isn't the T or wing T, Just as the T formation isn't the wing T.
The double wing is the DOUBLE WING not the wing T.
There is a wing T formation with 2 wings but it is still not the DOUBLE WING OFFENSE.

[F.N.L.]

The double wing isn't the T or wing T, Just as the T formation isn't the wing T.
The double wing is the DOUBLE WING not the wing T.
There is a wing T formation with 2 wings but it is still not the DOUBLE WING OFFENSE.

Looks like you are starting too upset people.:dontthink

[RIP_28]

Russell was the last team to win it running the Wing T. Danville ran the T formation.
They run the bone as well but they run outside veer from the T formation.

[F.N.L.]

Russell was the last team to win it running the Wing T. Danville ran the T formation.
They run the bone as well but they run outside veer from the T formation.

My aplogies, Clark Co. run the Double Wing.:cool:

[RIP_28]

I know what your gonna say "Danville never ran no T" But not so fast,
Danville did run the T formation and they ran the heck out of outside veer from the T formation.

[RIP_28]

My aplogies, Clark Co. run the Double Wing.:cool:
My condolences,
Clark won it running the WING T(LOL):cool:

[RIP_28]

The last team to win it as I can recall running the true DOUBLE WING was probably wearing leather helmets with no face masks. Before some start to go ape s*** about this I am speaking of in the great state of KENTUCKY. ( KEY WORD HERE IS "IN" KENTUCKY).
Not California or Ohio.

[RIP_28]

Hugh Wyatt has a great series on the DOUBLE WING offense.
Very in depth and from drills to blocking to backfield action .
Good series.

[jc#44]

ok rip so you know somthin about the double wing thats great just tell me how can you stop it

[VLW53]

F.N.L. Thanks for a straight reply, was just wondering. But it sems i haved pushed someone elses buttons. lol

[Neersfan]

This isn't California and definately not Ohio football. Mercer Co. had three 1000 yrd rushers last year, didn't do it out of the T. They could have done it out of anything, especially in the class they were in. They got away w/ a good one.

Just letting you know that double wing backs can and are open field runners. I am well aware of of the state I'm here as well. Mercer should have rushed for that many yards they were a 3 A school playing in 2A.

[Neersfan]

The last team to win it as I can recall running the true DOUBLE WING was probably wearing leather helmets with no face masks. Before some start to go ape s*** about this I am speaking of in the great state of KENTUCKY. ( KEY WORD HERE IS "IN" KENTUCKY).
Not California or Ohio.

Oh I don't think that we will go ape**** because we know what state we are in. I commend you for knowing how far back it goes with the leather helmets and no face masks. I am also impressed about the fact that you know about the Wyatt drills and things. This might explain how you got so in depth in your description with the Double Wing(Reading from the book).
Hey Guys if I get a cookbook and explain(read):D how to make gumbo does that make me "Emeril"

[dblwinger]

nice analysis, estill's new version hits alot quicker, staff spent time with jason mensing out of michigan, everything hits quicker, much quicker, estill defense will be the key, at the end of last yr held, morgan and west carter to avg of 6 pts a game, they ripped off close to sixty on powell, so defense and special teams will be important

[dblwinger]

estill version is now more of tim murphy and jason mensing versions, murphy made a visit to michigan last yr. there are major differences with wyatt's version,

[dblwinger]

dont get mad just get in the wt room, bring some heart to the game

[dblwinger]

observing what

[F.N.L.]

My condolences,
Clark won it running the WING T(LOL):cool:

Double Wing! :google: lol

[F.N.L.]

Just letting you know that double wing backs can and are open field runners. I am well aware of of the state I'm here as well. Mercer should have rushed for that many yards they were a 3 A school playing in 2A.

That is what I said. Look at their schedule from last year, they did it against some "decent" schools. Mercer Co. should have been 4A. They totally embarrassed the 4a school they played! :igiveup: You all should try to be less offensive to some of these post, sounds like you are letting people get to you.

[F.N.L.]

I know what your gonna say "Danville never ran no T" But not so fast,
Danville did run the T formation and they ran the heck out of outside veer from the T formation.

Absolutely right. Danville run it well. But, they had backs in the 4'4,s, line around 250 running 4'8 or 9's. Again, could have run any formation. :D

[dblwinger]

good point, if you got the jimmies and joes you can run what you want, 3 yrs ago clovis east went down to texas and beat midland lee, clovis was out athleted bad, the entire video is on you tube,clovis was not as fast or big, texas people said you cant get away with running that stuff down there, they did it, it is very intrigueing to watch

[NEERSFAN2270]

You're right... we're not from California or any of these other states. We are from Estill County, Kentucky, and we are very proud of that fact. Our boys know the double wing, but more important than anything else.... they BELIEVE in the double wing. So whether YOU like it or not doesn't really matter. Our boys will show you on the field what they are, and if you don't like them, their system, or their coaches, I am confident you will respect them and the wins they earn by their dedication, hard work and play.

[Midee1]

That is what I said. Look at their schedule from last year, they did it against some "decent" schools. Mercer Co. should have been 4A. They totally embarrassed the 4a school they played!

Under last years alignment numbers Mercer Co would have been one of the largest 3A schools. They did not have 4A numbers.

[OLDTIMER#1]

You're right... we're not from California or any of these other states. We are from Estill County, Kentucky, and we are very proud of that fact. Our boys know the double wing, but more important than anything else.... they BELIEVE in the double wing. So whether YOU like it or not doesn't really matter. Our boys will show you on the field what they are, and if you don't like them, their system, or their coaches, I am confident you will respect them and the wins they earn by their dedication, hard work and play.

Yes we believe in the double wing!!! Major point for us, is................ How good our Defense and special teams will be. If they are solid, BOBCATS, Panthers, and all others on the track, be prepared to be in a TRAIN WRECK! :letsparty

[Neersfan]

Yes we believe in the double wing!!! Major point for us, is................ How good our Defense and special teams will be. If they are solid, BOBCATS, Panthers, and all others on the track, be prepared to be in a TRAIN WRECK! :letsparty

Defense and Special Teams have been working hard during these first few weeks of practice and will be much improved from last year. We are hoping to surprise alot of teams that have overlooked our defense. There has been a strong emphasis on those two aspects of the team. I hope that the fans are pleased will what they see.

[RIP_28]

F.N.L. Thanks for a straight reply, was just wondering. But it sems i haved pushed someone elses buttons. lol
I'MMMMMMMMM-BACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK (L0L)
Not nearly as many as I have.:mad:

[RIP_28]

Yes we believe in the double wing!!! Major point for us, is................ How good our Defense and special teams will be. If they are solid, BOBCATS, Panthers, and all others on the track, be prepared to be in a TRAIN WRECK! :letspartyOk now I was at an Estill game a couple of years ago, I heard alot of complaining about NOT BEING HAPPY WITH THE OFFENSE.

[RIP_28]

Oh I don't think that we will go ape**** because we know what state we are in. I commend you for knowing how far back it goes with the leather helmets and no face masks. I am also impressed about the fact that you know about the Wyatt drills and things. This might explain how you got so in depth in your description with the Double Wing(Reading from the book).
Hey Guys if I get a cookbook and explain(read):D how to make gumbo does that make me "Emeril"Actually I have a friend at Harrison co. who knows the double wing very well and has coached it also.

[RIP_28]

Oh I don't think that we will go ape**** because we know what state we are in. I commend you for knowing how far back it goes with the leather helmets and no face masks. I am also impressed about the fact that you know about the Wyatt drills and things. This might explain how you got so in depth in your description with the Double Wing(Reading from the book).
Hey Guys if I get a cookbook and explain(read):D how to make gumbo does that make me "Emeril"LOL
No, but it tells me the ingrediants, It tells me what goes in it.
I don't profess to be THE DOUBLE WING GURU, but I have studied it and have learned about it from coaches who run it. ****, who knows I may have even coached it before.
No I can't cook gumbo, But I do have basic principles on the Double wing.

[RIP_28]

In 95' Estill had Danville on the ropes in the playoffs, Could have easily won the game.
I DON'T BELIEVE THEY RAN THE DOUBLE WING EITHER.

[RIP_28]

The facts are I have said all along I DO BELIEVE ESTILL WILL HAVE A GOOD YEAR.
I never said the double wing was a bad offense, I simply said IF YOU GET BEHIND IN THAT STYLE OFFENSE YOU ARE BEAT. If you control the ball and eat up the clock, YOU WIN.
The offense has good philosophies, toe to toe splits to allow no penetration, The rest of the line aligns their heads at the Butt of the center which makes it hard get any penetration. OUTNUMBERING YOU at the point of attack. It's real simple, double wing offenses want to get MORE BLOCKERS THAN YOU HAVE DEFENDERS AT THE POINT OF ATTACK. They will double team you and with the G.O.D. blocking rule they have good blocking angles. It's a solid strategy. But if your down 14 points going into the 4th quarter your in trouble. Estill has talent, Benedict and Barber are both solid. I predict Estill can win 6 or 7 games possibly this season.

[RIP_28]

Yes we believe in the double wing!!! Major point for us, is................ How good our Defense and special teams will be. If they are solid, BOBCATS, Panthers, and all others on the track, be prepared to be in a TRAIN WRECK! :letspartyWOW there OLDTIMER!
Throw out a TRAIN WRECK kinda challenge to the Bobcats of Breathitt county.
NOT SMART AT ALL:dontthink :dontthink
3-7 last season is still a LONG WAY from the Breathitt level who is loaded this year.
I ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE YOU WILL NOT BEAT BREATHITT RUNNING THE TOETOTOE
DOUBLE WING.:)

[F.N.L.]

The facts are I have said all along I DO BELIEVE ESTILL WILL HAVE A GOOD YEAR.
I never said the double wing was a bad offense, I simply said IF YOU GET BEHIND IN THAT STYLE OFFENSE YOU ARE BEAT. If you control the ball and eat up the clock, YOU WIN.
The offense has good philosophies, toe to toe splits to allow no penetration, The rest of the line aligns their heads at the Butt of the center which makes it hard get any penetration. OUTNUMBERING YOU at the point of attack. It's real simple, double wing offenses want to get MORE BLOCKERS THAN YOU HAVE DEFENDERS AT THE POINT OF ATTACK. They will double team you and with the G.O.D. blocking rule they have good blocking angles. It's a solid strategy. But if your down 14 points going into the 4th quarter your in trouble. Estill has talent, Benedict and Barber are both solid. I predict Estill can win 6 or 7 games possibly this season.

Haven't seen anything from you lately rip???? :shh: . Who do you think will give Estill problems on that schedule?

[RIP_28]

We Have All This Talk About Everyone Else... And It Seems I've Been Slacking With My Support For My Boys So I Have To Start This One.... So Lets Hear The Predictions Guys....




Here's Who They Play


Pineville (H)
Bourbon County (H)
Powell County (A)
Breathitt County (H)
Fleming County (A)
Berea (A)
Phelps (A)
Cawood (H)
Magoffin (H)
Knott County (A)


In That Order
Pineville W
Bourbon W
Powell L
Breathitt L
Flemming L
Berea W
Phelps W
Cawood L
Magoffin W
Knott W
I see a 6-4 but possibly a 7-3 or mabey even an 8-2 depending on the Powell and Cawood game.

[F.N.L.]

I'MMMMMMMMM-BACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK (L0L)
Not nearly as many as I have.:mad:

It's hard to keep someone who is BOILing down! :cool: Glad to see you back! :welcome:

[F.N.L.]

I'MMMMMMMMM-BACKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK (L0L)
Not nearly as many as I have.:mad:

You should be more caring of peoples feelings! :moon:

[RIP_28]

Haven't seen anything from you lately rip???? :shh: . Who do you think will give Estill problems on that schedule?I predict Estill finishing 6-4 but some teams that will be dangerous will be Pineville, Powell, Magoffin
Magoffin improved dramatically last year and with the Long time D-coorinator for Jim Matney running the show over there, He will find a way to give the double wing major problems. REMEMBER what I say CLOSE-CLOSE game vs. Magoffin. They have a great defensive minded head coach. Powell will be a danderous game as well, I pick Powell to win this game being played at Powell and like I've said " Who better to stop estill than an estill county guy". I believe coach Niece for Powell will have a solid D gameplan for this one. Powell has alot more speed and size than Estill. Offensive speed wins the game for Powell in a hard fought game.

[F.N.L.]

Pineville W
Bourbon W
Powell L
Breathitt L
Flemming L
Berea W
Phelps W
Cawood L
Magoffin W
Knott W
I see a 6-4 but possibly a 7-3 or mabey even an 8-2 depending on the Powell and Cawood game.


So you think Powell and Cawood have something for them.

[RIP_28]

It's hard to keep someone who is BOILing down! :cool: Glad to see you back! :welcome:You what they say, "IT'S ALL **** IN THE MIDDLE(LOL):eek:

[F.N.L.]

I predict Estill finishing 6-4 but some teams that will be dangerous will be Pineville, Powell, Magoffin
Magoffin improved dramatically last year and with the Long time D-coorinator for Jim Matney running the show over there, He will find a way to give the double wing major problems. REMEMBER what I say CLOSE-CLOSE game vs. Magoffin. They have a great defensive minded head coach. Powell will be a danderous game as well, I pick Powell to win this game being played at Powell and like I've said " Who better to stop estill than an estill county guy". I believe coach Niece for Powell will have a solid D gameplan for this one. Powell has alot more speed and size than Estill. Offensive speed wins the game for Powell in a hard fought game.

How is that D line at Powell coming? Are they legit?

[RIP_28]

So you think Powell and Cawood have something for them.
Mike Whitaker(Powell) and former Danville coach Eric Perry(Cawood) both get wins vs. Estill I.M.O.

[F.N.L.]

You what they say, "IT'S ALL **** IN THE MIDDLE(LOL):eek:

That's what I have heard and haven't been proved wrong yet!:rockon:

[RIP_28]

How is that D line at Powell coming? Are they legit?
Harlan and Ledford are going to be double team forcers. Both over 300lbs.
With the speed of Howell and McCoy to go with that I see the front 4 being very solid.
Elam 330lbs, Ledford 300lbs, Howell 240, McCoy 220

[RIP_28]

Powell has alot of secondary speed, ALOT.
Coach Niece has done a great job getting the linebackers disciplined as well.
I think Powell's defense will fool alot of people this year.

[RIP_28]

Powell and Estill will be a WAR. I just believe Powell will have