Same Sex Marriage

[BrickHouse]

Should Gay People Be Allowed To Get Married? Don't say just yes or no, please explain why.

[15thRegionCrazy]

No!! Goes agains't everything we're suppose to believe in

[BCF4L]

No!! Goes agains't everything we're suppose to believe in PDT_003

[Hip-hop Box]

It’s against my religion.

[ComfortEagle]

I don't believe in it, but they deserve the same rights as everyone else, and one of those rights is being able to get married.

[crazytaxidriver]

I think this is an argument that can go on for ages. The bible clearly states that it is wrong, homosexuality is the reason he destroyed sodom and gamorrah.

Now for those who don't believe the Bible, then you are pretty well free to think what ya please, however, homosexuals are a minority, and the vast majority of the population see it as wrong. Not just because they are homophobic either, but because it's what they believe. And until the homosexual population increases to more than a minority, I don't think we will ever see a legal homosexual marriage.

[Farva]

I do not believe homosexuals should be able to get married. I base my decision solely on my beliefs and moral values.

[4leaf]

I dont believe they should be married nor be allowed to have civil unions.

[ComfortEagle]

You don't believe in everyone being treated equally 4leaf? What if everyone in the world was gay and being straight was the minority. Wouldn't you want to be given the same rights?

[blackcat]

The bible clearly states that it is wrong, homosexuality is the reason he destroyed sodom and gamorrah.

This is what i Believe in. SO NO!

[BCF4L]

I think it's nasty and shouldn't even be discussed. :lol:

[ComfortEagle]

Can any of you put yourselves in someone elses shoes even for a few minutes? What if the Bible said that heterosexuality was wrong and you weren't gay? How would you feel if your government said you have the same rights as the homosexuals?

This is the land of the FREE. Everyone deserves the same rights.

[PHSFAN]

No....It's Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

Posted Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:39 am:

Can any of you put yourselves in someone elses shoes even for a few minutes? What if the Bible said that heterosexuality was wrong and you weren't gay? How would you feel if your government said you have the same rights as the homosexuals?

This is the land of the FREE. Everyone deserves the same rights.

Since the bible says the exact opposite that holds no weight with me. I don't agree with homosexuality, but it is part of life today. As long as they stay away from me with their private lives then it is not a issue with me....I don't want to particuarly hear about it or see it. I do not however believe they should be allowed to be married.

[ComfortEagle]

Just as you said, this is now an issue in our society. Just as slavery was once "not an issue", homosexuality now is also. To give a person the same rights just because they're different is wrong. That's exactly what happened during the 60's with the blacks. They weren't being given their rights just because they were a different color. I'm sure many people then also did not want to be associated blacks, just like right now, you say you don't want to be associated with a homosexual.

[PHSFAN]

Just as you said, this is now an issue in our society. Just as slavery was once "not an issue", homosexuality now is also. To give a person the same rights just because they're different is wrong. That's exactly what happened during the 60's with the blacks. They weren't being given their rights just because they were a different color. I'm sure many people then also did not want to be associated blacks, just like right now, you say you don't want to be associated with a homosexual.

I never said I would not want to be assoicated with homesexuals but it is on a preofessional level. I did say I had no problem with them as long as they keep their private life way from me. I actually know some gay people, and they are good people. I did say that I didn't particualry want to hear about them and their lovers or see it going on. Now if it is a girl and her girlfriend that is a different situation. Please don't put words into my mouth. IF you, or anyone else, want to be associated with homosexuals beyond a profressional level then that is your/their choice, but I choose to keep it profressional.

[ComfortEagle]

Sorry, but that's just what I gathered from your post. And you talk about being "professional"

but how is being discriminatory professional?

[PHSFAN]

Sorry, but that's just what I gathered from your post. And you talk about being "professional"

but how is being discriminatory professional?

I still don't see what you are saying CE. I stated that I have friends that are gay, as well as peolpe of different ethic backgrounds. What part of that do you not understand? I know you graduated from Pikeville High so obiviously you can read. Excuse me for not wanting to hear about two gay men in their private lives. I respect them as a person, but what they do behind close doors in their business and I don't see the need for me to hear about it. And by "professional" I mean being freinds with them. I didn't know any other way to put it on that subject.

[ComfortEagle]

I said that from your post, I gathered that you did not want to be associated with homosexuals. You stated otherwise in your thread. Therefore, I was saying SORRY for the misunderstanding.

It's fine if you don't want to hear about two homosexuals sex lives, but the point I am trying to make is why shouldn't they be able to get married. That is the whole point of discussion on this thread.

I don't see how someone can not believe in discrimination, yet, say that two homosexuals can not get married. That is not just directed at you, but everyone who stated they do not think homosexuals should be able to get married.

[PHSFAN]

I said that from your post, I gathered that you did not want to be associated with homosexuals. You stated otherwise in your thread. Therefore, I was saying SORRY for the misunderstanding.

It's fine if you don't want to hear about two homosexuals sex lives, but the point I am trying to make is why shouldn't they be able to get married. That is the whole point of discussion on this thread.

I don't see how someone can not believe in discrimination, yet, say that two homosexuals can not get married. That is not just directed at you, but everyone who stated they do not think homosexuals should be able to get married.

Let them live together and be life partners and I do believe that they should be given some benefits such as joint insurance. Gay marriage goes totally against my religion plus a part of me thinks it is sick, and I do believe that it is wrong. Doesn't mean I don't like them or respect them as people but I live by the word of the bible...sorry if you don't see it that way but I would say you are in the minority but you are entitled to your own opinion.

[ComfortEagle]

I just don't understand how you can respect a person but not want them to have the same rights you have?

[PHSFAN]

I just don't understand how you can respect a person but not want them to have the same rights you have?

I tell you what CE we both graduated from the same high school so I like you. Go to one of the local strip clubs and get some T&A put in your face and then we will talk about it.

[ComfortEagle]

I don't see what that has to do with this discussion. Check your PM's

Posted 23 Jan 2005 02:44 am:

Ah, I've said what I've needed to say here. My part in this discussion is over.

[Hip-hop Box]

ComfortEagle If you respect them or not your going against your religion, so should the be able to get married no. and people who arent and are against same sex marriage dont dislike them cause of it jus pray for em that one day they will see it tha right way.

[ComfortEagle]

That is so feeble though. Everyone sins EVERYDAY. And, every sin is the same in God's eyes. This means in God's eyes speeding, eating too many french fries, and cussing carry the same weight as being a homosexual.

Posted 23 Jan 2005 04:05 am:

You may going against your religion by cussing but that doesn't mean your rights to talk should be taken away.

[Hip-hop Box]

They should be happy they even let em go out morethen less take it to tha next level. all that you named can be changed in a matter of time but What homosexual you know would jus say Hey i dont wanna be gay nomore.

[ComfortEagle]

I've seen it happen. There was a story on the news of a church that welcomes gays and has support groups for them and about 20 of them turned from their ways.

[crazytaxidriver]

That is so feeble though. Everyone sins EVERYDAY. And, every sin is the same in God's eyes. This means in God's eyes speeding, eating too many french fries, and cussing carry the same weight as being a homosexual.

Posted 23 Jan 2005 04:05 am:

You may going against your religion by cussing but that doesn't mean your rights to talk should be taken away.

You are correct in that we sin everyday, however, after we ask for fogiveness we are supposed to try not to do the same sin again. I personally do believe that homosexuality is a sin. So if one of them did ask for forgiveness, knowing that they were goin to go back out and be gay, then that defeats the purpose.

As far as rights go, I believe they shouldn't be able to get married, or joined in civil unions or whatever, but they shouldn't be discriminated against in anything else, cause they are people too. But by allowing them to marry and get the same rights as a man/woman couple would get, then it seems like a marriage isn't worth anything anymore. I mean people used to wait for marriage before they would even have sex or whatever, now people use marriage as an excuse to get a tax break, or cut in insurance. It's not what it used to be.

[ComfortEagle]

You really think allowing two homosexuals WHO LOVE EACH OTHER is going to dephile the idea of marriage? How about the countless celebrities who have had 134567890 billion divorces, and the stupid reality TV shows that ask America to pick who someone is going to marry?? You think that's a true, loving relationship? With a divorce rate of over 50% the idea of marriage has already been ruined.

[crazytaxidriver]

You really think allowing two homosexuals WHO LOVE EACH OTHER is going to dephile the idea of marriage? How about the countless celebrities who have had 134567890 billion divorces, and the stupid reality TV shows that ask America to pick who someone is going to marry?? You think that's a true, loving relationship? With a divorce rate of over 50% the idea of marriage has already been ruined.

Yes, but that's just my opinion..

And I agree 100% with the rest of what ya say. This country has gotten away from its roots. People don't get married for love anymore, its all about money. And the whole bachelor/bachelorette thing is ridiculous if ya ask me. It's all about money.

[4leaf]

Thats just my thoughts and beliefs CE. You can have yours and I wont say that they're wrong, there is no ultimate answer. But thanks for pointing me out.

[Hurley]

I agree with CTD. Its an abomination

[ba11er_05]

anyone remember sodom and gamorrah???????No I dont think it is alright it is against christian beliefs and just grosses me srry to sy that but truth it truth. This country is based on christianity we the ppl of the US do not need to forge that

[BelfryPride]

anyone remember sodom and gamorrah???????No I dont think it is alright it is against christian beliefs and just grosses me srry to sy that but truth it truth. This country is based on christianity we the ppl of the US do not need to forge that



This country USED to be based on Christianity, but the athiests are getting rid of that really quick. There is no sacred marriage anymore, I do not care if it is 2 homosexuals, or celebs, or your everyday average joe. It is not what it used to be and it does not last anymore. I do not want to get married,b/c if I ever had children, the Female automatically gets custody, that would not float with me. The Father has the same rights to them as the mother, but she will be the one who gets them.

[crazytaxidriver]

anyone remember sodom and gamorrah???????No I dont think it is alright it is against christian beliefs and just grosses me srry to sy that but truth it truth. This country is based on christianity we the ppl of the US do not need to forge that



This country USED to be based on Christianity, but the athiests are getting rid of that really quick. There is no sacred marriage anymore, I do not care if it is 2 homosexuals, or celebs, or your everyday average joe. It is not what it used to be and it does not last anymore. I do not want to get married,b/c if I ever had children, the Female automatically gets custody, that would not float with me. The Father has the same rights to them as the mother, but she will be the one who gets them.

I agree.. 100%

[DangerousMind]

I agree with ComfortEagle.

Homosexuals should be able to marry. All of you state no, because its my personal beliefs which it goes against the bible. What you all think should not have any kind of effect on them. It is their personal lives. They are going to make love either way, which is also against the bible before marriage. WHy not let it be one less sin?

I don't think a gay marriage should be a Holy Ceremony under the Bible, because that would be hypocritical, but all of you should see, that no matter what your beliefs are, they are entitled to their own beliefs. And their union has NOTHING to do with you personal life.

[ComfortEagle]

I agree with ComfortEagle.

Homosexuals should be able to marry. All of you state no, because its my personal beliefs which it goes against the bible. What you all think should not have any kind of effect on them. It is their personal lives. They are going to make love either way, which is also against the bible before marriage. WHy not let it be one less sin?

I don't think a &^(& marriage should be a Holy Ceremony under the Bible, because that would be hypocritical, but all of you should see, that no matter what your beliefs are, they are entitled to their own beliefs. And their union has NOTHING to do with you personal life. PDT_003

[Raider]

That is so feeble though. Everyone sins EVERYDAY. And, every sin is the same in God's eyes. This means in God's eyes speeding, eating too many french fries, and cussing carry the same weight as being a homosexual.

Posted 23 Jan 2005 04:05 am:

You may going against your religion by cussing but that doesn't mean your rights to talk should be taken away.

I don't care what you think. Homosexualality is wrong, the bible says that it is wrong. Marraige is between a man and a woman. I am a believer of Christ and his word. I know that I sin everyday and so do you, we are humans. But it is supposed to be man and woman. Thats the only true way.

[APftWaHKiC]

The stupidity and ignorance is so thick in here..I don't even know where to begin. FIRST of all...the Church and the State are SEPERATE. So, therefore, what your Bible says should have NO impact on law. Christianity has no right to force it's beliefs on all the people in the U.S.
Our country...our reputation, as a "beacon of hope", depends on the equality and freedom ALL people should be given here. If homosexuals are denyed the right to equality then America isn't the country it is supposed to be.
I had more to say..but CE said it all..hehe..way to go buddy! :wink:

[PHS (cant catch us)]

i have to say no to &^(& marriage.. our country is founded on the Christian belief. Read the US dollar "In GOD we trust" and the constitution all make refrences to God. people have pushed the meaning of the seperation of the Church and State to a different meaning. i believe from history when the king of England made the Church of England England's church, and forced EVERYONE to go there, thats what the founders of this counrty were afraid of.

But marriage is an institution founded on religion, and religion is against homosexuality.. therefore &^(& marriage shouldnt be allowed!!

as far as it being discriminatory.. in the sixties African Americans didnt choose to have darker skin color they were born that waythey couldnt help it. we were in the wrong of judging them based on something they couldnt help, but homosexuals make the decsion to be homosexuals they can help it!!

[APftWaHKiC]

Look at all this...what you people have to say about homosexuals and at how much **** they go through everyday. And you think they CHOOSE to be the way they are? Do you CHOOSE to be straight? If you say you do...then you're also admitting that you also have a sexual attraction for the same sex..which you are are trying to repress. Just like homosexuals HAVE to repress thier like for the opposite sex by going for the same sex right?? :roll: And don't they teach you religious tolerance?


http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_fixe.htm

[ComfortEagle]

Nice points APftWaHKiC

[PHS (cant catch us)]

umm.. first off ur not born a homosexual. there are no traits that they have found that make people attracted to the same sex. so therefore it is a choice. everyone is tempted (in my opinion by the devil) to commit sin such as homosexuality.. yes, i am saying that everyone has homosexual tendencies, (some experience it more strong than others) its just how you fight the temptation. IMO homosexuals give in to that temptation and live out a sinful life because they think they have no choice. the thing is they have a choice.

GOD DOESNT DESIGN PEOPLE TO SIN UNCONTROLLABLY!

[APftWaHKiC]

You're still not answering WHY they would choose. I'll agree that it hasn't been proven..yet...that there is such thing as a "gay gene." But, if we all are forced to choose which gender we will be attracted to, knowing what we do about the acceptance of homosexuality...it seems to me that straight people would be the ones who felt they have no choice. ****..if I was given a choice of being respected or ridiculed my whole life depending on who I slept with..I know which one I'd choose. If gay peopel had a choice..."IMO" they'd go for the opposite sex everytime.

[Doc Holliday]

I personally feel that the love between two women is a beautiful thing!
LOL
As far as this topic, rights of Amercians and freedoms is the backbone of democracy.
Does the sum of the part equal that of the whole.
When it comes to popular vote same sex Marriage. will fail in our nation, that is democracy in action.
i love this nation, but no one is totally free.
As far as divorce not everone who has one wants one.
Ky is a fault free divorce state, you can have one for no reason with little thought.

[crazytaxidriver]

You're still not answering WHY they would choose. I'll agree that it hasn't been proven..yet...that there is such thing as a "gay gene." But, if we all are forced to choose which gender we will be attracted to, knowing what we do about the acceptance of homosexuality...it seems to me that straight people would be the ones who felt they have no choice. ****..if I was given a choice of being respected or ridiculed my whole life depending on who I slept with..I know which one I'd choose. If gay peopel had a choice..."IMO" they'd go for the opposite sex everytime.

Personally I don't think it's a choice they choose, althought I don't think its something they are born with. Granted some people are born with more estrogen or more testosterone.. Thus making the stereotypical homosexuals. However with the others, it's a choice they choose because they could be confused about it, or they could be broke down mentally, or just craving to be loved. Think about it. If you put two guys or two girls in an by themselves for a long period of time, they are goin to need some kind of comfort. That's human. Human's all have a subconscience fear of being alone. So if they see this person of the same sex, who is also feeling this way, then they are goin to be attracted to each other, because they have one common want. and that is to be loved.

Some people will do whatever it takes to find their "soulmate" and if they think that their soulmate is someone of the same sex then they will go for them on the basis that this other person wants the same thing they want. People these days aren't willing to have faith in God to give them the person they are meant to be with. And some people aren't meant to be with anyone. Life is strange and no one can comprehend it, or totally figure it out.

There are many scenarios that could influence someone to live that lifestyle. You say that if the gay community knew that it was going to be hard then they wouldn't do it.. Well Christianity, or any other type of religion that requires missionary, or goin out and talking about their faith, isn't exactly the easiest thing in the world, but they do it because they have faith in something greater than anything in this world.

The whole purpose of why we are allowed to have sexual intercourse is due to the fact that we were put here to reproduce. That's why when a man and a woman do the forbidden dance, without protection, a baby can be made. Now if a woman and woman try to do that, what's goin to come of it? Same thing with two dudes? Sex wasn't made for two people of the same sex. It was made for a man and a woman, and since we are supposed to wait until marriage to have sex, that just makes more sense.

Marriage was meant for a man and woman to come together to recreate.

[APftWaHKiC]

I didn't mean that they wouldn't do it because it's hard, I meant that if it is as easy to "choose" to be gay as they were suggesting THEN why would they do it? I was trying to point out that it's not just a choice..it CAN be...but there are so many other factors involved. And I agree with you on those "scenarios." People do need companionship, it's part of human nature to need someone and some just take it where they can find it. What's so wrong with that? Besides what's in your Bible of course...
That example there...you follow your faith despite the hardships because you have "faith in something greater than anything in this world"...most people consider love greater than anything in this world when they're lonely.

[crazytaxidriver]

I guess its something we will never know for sure, as to why people are like that. I mean I'm not against it just because the mainstream is against it. I have my own beliefs. But if you notice, the past decade more and more people have came out so to speak. So it's almost like its a fad now. Granted there are people out there who really are gay. But I just can't bring myself to believe that they were born that way. I really believe that something has caused them to be that way, whether it be abusive parents, too much of the wrong hormone, or just a freaky sex drive lol.

[APftWaHKiC]

Yes I believe many factors contribute, and maybe they're born with it, maybe they're not.(Maybe it's maybelline) The thing is..it's not a casual, easy choice like everyone is trying to make it out to be. And you can't just choose to be un-gay either. Maybe they can force themselves to commit the sex act with a person of the opposite gender..but they'll never be truly happy and they'll be repressing thier real selves. And that my friend..is the saddest thing I've ever heard.

[crazytaxidriver]

Its obvious its not an easy choice, due to the ridicule they get from it, however, I still believe its unnatural, and I personally don't know the truth as to why someone would be gay. But through it all I think it is a want. Not a have to.

For instance, people who start doing drugs do them because they WANT to, the next thing you know they NEED to. And even if they do get cleaned up, they are always goin to have a taste for it.

[VonWafer_FSU]

should be allowed its there right

[ba11er_05]

i dont think it should be allowed what so ever it is digusting and is against the bible this country will be like soddam and gammohria if this was ever legal and we all know that story

[ComfortEagle]

You obviously don't know it enough to spell it right. And why do you consider one sin to be worse than another?? The bible says God sees all sins as being equal. The only sin worse than any other is blasphemy. So everytime you cuss, everytime you break the law, everytime you think dirty thoughts about women....that's just as bad as someone committing homosexuality, whether you like it or not.

And you like living in this "free" country where you can have all the rights you want as long as you're not gay....no, that's not how it works. Everyone deserves equal treatment and equal rights.

[15thRegionSlamaBamma]

i dont think they should b able to get married thats just wrong dont mean to offend anyone

[Hurley]

Even if they are "in love" it should not be legalized for them to get married. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve

[VonWafer_FSU]

15th regionslammabamma....just cuz u think its wrong doesnt mean it is....gay people have a right to get married..its their lifestyle, their own belief, and who are we to say that they are wrong for the way they are living....

[ComfortEagle]

I recently read an article about Reform Judaism. It's one of the few religions that allow homosexuality.

As for the Bible saying it's wrong. This is the same Bible that teaches that killing your son and selling your children is okay. Do you think that still applies to this world today???

I think we have to take into account the time period in which it was written and the social situations of that time. You will see not everything could possibly still apply in todays world.

[VonWafer_FSU]

right on :!:

let face it times change and society adapts to the changing world

[crazytaxidriver]

I recently read an article about Reform Judaism. It's one of the few religions that allow homosexuality.

As for the Bible saying it's wrong. This is the same Bible that teaches that killing your son and selling your children is okay. Do you think that still applies to this world today???

I think we have to take into account the time period in which it was written and the social situations of that time. You will see not everything could possibly still apply in todays world.

I think you are talking about old testament things now. And the old testament was the old law, that the Jews still follow. There were over 200 laws that one must abide by in order to make it to heaven, along with giving sacrifices. It was much more strict then. If something caused you to sin then you had to get rid of it. But when Jesus came that started the New Testament, which is what christians live by today. They no longer have to give burnt offerings. Now to get in heaven you have to accept the ultimate sacrifice which was Jesus the son of God. Meaning we don't live by the old law in which, if your son or whatever disobeyed God's will you had to kill or disown him. Times were different from the change of the old testament to the new testament. and times are different now than they were during the new testament. But the principle still remains, and that is if you accept Jesus in your life then you will want to worship him in the best way you know how, and one way to do that is to read the bible and learn more about what is right and what is wrong.

Times are different now than they were then, but look at it this way, murder was a sin then and it still is. Stealing was a sin and it still is. Homosexuality was a sin, and it still is also.

[ComfortEagle]

How do you know murder and stealing is a sin? Because of Moses' 10 Commandments right? Well, that was in the old testament.

You basically just said things changed when Jesus came to Earth, so where in the new testament is there a new set of commandments?

The new testament is more about Jesus and less about the laws we must follow to live by, the whole point it's trying to get across is that you should love and follow Jesus.

So who's to say what is and isn't a sin now? The new testament defines it as "anything that seperates you from God."

So, you spending more time on BGR and less time praying can be considered a sin.

What I'm trying to say is that there is no sin greater than another. So why are we persecuting homosexuals and pushing them away from Christianity when they are sinners just like everyone else.?!

[Amun-Ra]

personally i dont think marriages should be allowed for homosexuals. since the meaning of marriage is a legal union between man and woman as husband and wife.
cival unions though i see no problem with.

[crazytaxidriver]

How do you know murder and stealing is a sin? Because of Moses' 10 Commandments right? Well, that was in the old testament.

You basically just said things changed when Jesus came to Earth, so where in the new testament is there a new set of commandments?

The new testament is more about Jesus and less about the laws we must follow to live by, the whole point it's trying to get across is that you should love and follow Jesus.

So who's to say what is and isn't a sin now? The new testament defines it as "anything that seperates you from God."

So, you spending more time on BGR and less time praying can be considered a sin.

What I'm trying to say is that there is no sin greater than another. So why are we persecuting homosexuals and pushing them away from Christianity when they are sinners just like everyone else.?!

He didn't give a new set of commandments, but jesus did say that if you love god then you will keep his commandments. Just because Jesus died for our sins doesn't mean we can go out and willfully sin. Meaning if you know its a sin, and you do it anyway, then you might need to reevaluate your relationship with god.

I know there is no sin greater than another, and God still loves homosexuals, murderers, and all the scum of the earth just as much as he loves the people who follow him faithfully.

But when a person starts to follow God, then they want to learn more about him, and in doing so they find out that you do have to obey the laws of the land, and keep his commandments. That's where they will learn that killing someone, stealing something, or even eating too much is a sin.

Jesus coming to earth didn't change what made a sin a sin. He made a way for Gentiles, along with Jews, to get into heaven. and that is through him, and not burnt offerings, and scheduled prayer. But a one on one relationship.

[VonWafer_FSU]

wut in the world are u people talkin bout..these bible references are everywhere...

[crazytaxidriver]

Read the whole thread lol..it would take too long to explain

[CNN]

Would Jesus ban gay marriage? Could he seriously look two gay men in the eye and tell them, "Sorry *****s, I know you two are in love and your own sexual preference is your opinion but your opinion is wrong and mine is right. So sit down and shut up"?

[crazytaxidriver]

So what you are saying is that the almighty God himself would look at two gay people and tell them taht just because they think its ok then its ok.. That's like saying he would look at someone who just shot a kid or something and well since you think it's ok then I guess i will be ok with it..

Come on now...

[ComfortEagle]

No, he's saying that God or Jesus loves unconditionally, and that no sin is greater than another I don't know why you all can't get that through your heads. God looks at a kid who just killed somebody and a guy who just said a cuss word the exact same. Their sins are equal, while we here on Earth may have harsher penalties for breaking certain rules, God sees all sins as being equal. God doesn't say "I like you better because you're not gay and havent killed anybody"

No, God loves all and let's say you said a cuss word today, God sees that sin just as equal as if you were to kill 15 people. Hard to wrap your head around because we have grown up in a society that puts values on sins, but God doesn't.

[ilovethisgame]

Well, I for one definitely DO NOT believe in same sex marriage. This is because it goes against everything I stand for and all my morals. However, I can see why you wouldn't see anything wrong with it if you didn't read the bible. That's why it is so wrong to me because in the bible it says it is wrong.

[crazytaxidriver]

No, he's saying that God or Jesus loves unconditionally, and that no sin is greater than another I don't know why you all can't get that through your heads. God looks at a kid who just killed somebody and a guy who just said a cuss word the exact same. Their sins are equal, while we here on Earth may have harsher penalties for breaking certain rules, God sees all sins as being equal. God doesn't say "I like you better because you're not gay and havent killed anybody"

No, God loves all and let's say you said a cuss word today, God sees that sin just as equal as if you were to kill 15 people. Hard to wrap your head around because we have grown up in a society that puts values on sins, but God doesn't.

I know that.. and that's what i was trying to say.. I probably misread his post.

All I'm saying is once a person gets saved they want to stop sinning. Granted no one can ever stop sinning, it's impossible. But when we do sin we can pray to god for forgiveness and we try not to go out and commit the same sin..

If gays want to serve god then god will love them as he does anyone else, but in order for them to get to heaven they must do his will, and his will isn't for them to be with the same sex.

[CNN]

Does anyone actually know what part of the Bible says gay people are a no-no to God?

[crazytaxidriver]

Leviticus 20:13 -- "`If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

[CNN]

It also says, "Anyone who curses his father and mother must be put to death" It also says anyone who cheats on their wife must be put to death. It also says if you have sex with an animal you must be put to death. It also says if you have sex with a girl while she is on her period they must be shunned. It also says if a preachers daughter becomes a prostitute she has too be burned alive. It also says Preachers aren't allowed to be in the same room with a dead body.

seems kind of stupid to me....

[crazytaxidriver]

So are you saying that all that stuff you listed is ok to do? I'm not saying for everyone to be put to death. But are you saying that it is ok to curse your mother and father, to cheat on your wife, to have sex with animals, and all that?

[youknowwhoibe]

Aint nothin to it might as well let em do it...haha joking...

But I dont really care if they have it. I mean as long as no homosexual is coming up to me and hitting on me Im ok with it. I dont personally believe in it but who am I to tell them what to do. It is not my job to judge, only the Lord should judge. And he will decide their fate.

[CNN]

No. No, I'm not

[crazytaxidriver]

No. No, I'm not

Are you answering the post that I posted or what?? I'm a little confused now lol

[CNN]

Lol, yes

[crazytaxidriver]

OH.. lol.. Then what were you trying to say by that one post?

[CNN]

They just seem silly and harsh.

[thetribe]

i am with godfather on this one. all people should have all the same rights. black, white, green, purple, gay, straight, bisexual, male, female, any and all people should have equal rights. most people view homosexuality as wrong, that is based on the morals they were raised with and their religion. i was raised with good morals in an all white neighborhood and i went to church every single sunday, i think that homosexuals should be able to be legally wed. alot of people in kentucky still hold something against blacks so what would stop them for seeing gays differently too? i hate it how most of the people in this area espically are basically just afraid to think outside of the box and go outside of their comfort zone. if they were in a chemistry lab and a homosexual male was assigned to be their lab partner then 90% or more of other men would not be comfortable around them. that would be a strictly professional, academic situation with no attraction on the homosexual's part yet people would be afraid to even be around the other guy. i think that this new generation should be one that believes in pure equality for all and they should take a giant leap for mankind and just get over everything. i am sorry that i am no longer religious but i am comfortable enough with my sexuality and my feelings and moral beliefs to say that i would not have any problem being around homosexuals, male or female.

[Cali]

Ya know, I bet half of the people (not all) who said "oh it's against the bible" haven't even read the bible. You just know from hearing it...and some talk about morals and values but I bet a lot of the people here have had sex and they aren't married or if they are married they had sex before marriage. :| I agree for the most part with The Godfather...I'm not as sure about the marriages, but definitely civil unions and stuff like that.

[Paperclip]

I do not agree with it. However I think they should be allowed. It's nasty to see 2 women or 2 men together. If you think about it gay couples are going to be together regardless if marriage is allowed or not. So, I don't see why it should matter. And come on, it's their life, give them the rights that everyone else has.

[VonWafer_FSU]

exaclty!! well said paperclip... :!:

[Paperclip]

exaclty!! well said paperclip... :!:
8)

[muffin_man]

if the whole world was g a y, as said before, none of us would be here.

[thetribe]

no one is saying that the whole world has to be gay, the question is, should the same sex marriages be legal or not?

is everyone was gay then yea, offspring would be as plentiful but..that would never happen anyway.

[Reizvoll]

First Off: I'm straight.

I don't really belong here (a serious discussion forum that is), but I'll post my opinion anyway.

I have no problem with homosexuality or bisexuality, nor do I shun them or treat them any differently. I even take up for homosexuals or bisexuals when they get made fun of behind their backs. I tell the ones patronising of them that cowardice is probably worse than being gay, and then I call them a few names I won't list here because I want to keep as many asterisks, circumflex accents, ampersands, and parenthesis out of my posts as possible. All those symbols are ugly.

Anyway, everyone says that it's gross. While I admit that seeing two men having sex is not as fun as eating strawberries (<333 strawberries), it's my fault if I see it really. Unless someone tricks me into it by linking me to a google image search such as 'goatse' and 'lemonparty', it's my own fault. (PS: Don't google search for 'goatse' or 'lemonparty'.)

Indecent exposure laws are there to protect us from seeing these actions in public, where you can almost not avoid glancing. What people do behind their own closed doors is their own business, and does not concern anyone else besides the ones that are partaking in the 'action', and the Lord.

Now, my personal opinion.

-I can fully understand bisexual or homosexual women. I mean, honestly women are the most beautiful, attractive, and affectionate beings on this planet, and I'm saying this truthfully. I can not blame anyone for being attracted to women. I love women.

-I can not however, relate to bisexual or homosexual men, because I do not find males sexual attractive. I admit that EVERYONE (EVEN YOU) is a little bit gay. I'll admit that I can safely say I know when guys should be with a hot girl or not, by how they look and dress, but don't get me wrong. I'll never have a relationship with a man that passes low->normal friendship. (My best friend is a woman. <3 you.)

Edited to finish:

About marriage; It's a tricky issue. Many near-orthodox religious people believe by the laws of their book and accept anything else as horribly wrong. Whatever the Bible says about homosexuality is what the christians will think about it. (I haven't read the Bible, but it says something about being layed with another man, but I don't know the exact phrasing).

In my opinion, it boils down to freedom of religion. The only reason most people are complaining against it is because it is against THEIR OWN religion to allow this. I agree that marriage is a holy union between two people, but when convicts who murdered their ex-wifes get married again, I think that takes away the sanctity. Not just that as an example, but look.

I don't see why someone's religious beliefs or personal opinion should interfere with anyone else's rights in this country. I think anyone should be able to do as they want as long as it does not cause physical or mental anguish or harm to someone else. In this scenario, two men being wed can not cause physical or mental anguish in anyway. It just doesn't affect anyone else, it can't.

There is no way in my views that two men getting married will seperate you from your God. If you drift away from your God, sure you could blame it on this, but that's like blaming video games for teenage violence. There would be no direct correlation between the two occurances, and if you ever fall away from your god it is no one elses fault but your own.

[TCat09]

I do have a problem with it. Truthfully, I don't have the info to back it up, but I just get the feeling that its not right. I have heard it's against the Bible, but I haven't looked it up. When I'm around a gay person, I'm just not comfortable and most of the time I can't even look at them. It's just the way I was raised and that usually is what gives a person their opinion on this subject. I think also a bad experience I had at the movies may have had something to do with it. Two gay guys sat right in front of me and started making out, and I'm getting sick talking about it. Needless to say I left.

[Reizvoll]

Well Tcat, don't take anything I say the wrong way. None of this is a personal attack, and I don't want it to seem that way but it probably will.

It's just the way I was raised and that usually is what gives a person their opinion on this subject

You're right, alot of people's upbringings will make them shun this, but I don't think someone's opinion should jeopardize someone's freedom.

Two gay guys sat right in front of me and started making out, and I'm getting sick talking about it.

That's what I call indecent exposure, if it's a gay couple or not. Nothing more than a 2 second kiss should be allowed in public.

[MR.INCREDIBLE]

it all comes down to one thing...every individual will answer for thier OWN sins and trust me Ive got enough to worry about without debating if a couple of gay people should be allowed to marry or not.

[blu]

Okay, here we go....

PHS fan, want to explain to us why it's different for two girls together?
Does that make it less "morally" wrong? Just because, it many men's fantasy, they think they can somehow join in?
:AngelPray

I do believe there is something in the Bible where Jesus said love your neighbor as yourself.... treat others as you would like to be treated.... love your enemies........

[ComfortEagle]

Well Tcat, don't take anything I say the wrong way. None of this is a personal attack, and I don't want it to seem that way but it probably will.



You're right, alot of people's upbringings will make them shun this, but I don't think someone's opinion should jeopardize someone's freedom.



That's what I call indecent exposure, if it's a gay couple or not. Nothing more than a 2 second kiss should be allowed in public.

Ok, that is not the definition of indecent exposure. That's called PDA, public displays of affection. And do you really want to go back to Victorian times when holding hands in public was risque'?

We see worse than a 2 second kiss on TV, so don't get all fired up just because it's two men or two women kissing, they have the same rights to kiss in public, just as you do.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

The bible is a strange book. Two people can read the same words, and get two different opinions on what is actually being said. So who is wrong and who is right? Yes, it does say man is not supposed to lay with a man like he lays with a woman. All sins are considered equal. So if a straight man sees a pretty woman walking down the street, has impure thoughts about her, that is a sin. Same as if a man seen another man and had impure thoughts. How many of us really honor our mother and father? has anyone in here NEVER talked back to them, NEVER did what they was told? Respect your elders, the elderly are not taken as good of care of as they should be in general. Not killing? I have killed in the past, snakes, dogs if they ran infront of my car, People will say it is different for animals, but are they the same as us, Gods creatures? In my opinion, the bible is considered to be a guide to follow as each person sees in it what they see, not as a shopping list to be checked off if you do what is wrote in the words.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I think the biggest reason same sex marriages are not allowed is because the insurance companies are so against it. Then they would have to give insurance to same sex families, that takes away from alot of there profits.