Paintsville Baseball '08

[1911]

What do you think their line up will look like this year?
Here is mine
1.Corey Humphrey-CF
2.Patrick Butcher-LF
3.Corey Adams-RF
4.Shane Grimm-P
5.JD Vanhoose-2B
6.Travis Ison-3B
7.Dyllon Brown-C (Austin Lyons DH)
8.Seth Rice-1B
9.Zach Vilapalndo-SS

[slingblade93]

looks about right to me.

[Ring'Em Up]

I only see a couple of spots I don't really understand, unless something has transpired that I haven't heard about. Don't want to mention too many particulars, but is it really being considered taking Corey out from behind the plate? I have another player in mind that could very well fill that other outfield spot that isnt on your list, if Adams was to stay behind the plate. Aren't JD and V reversed position wise also, in your list? I don't know, maybe I am just totally confused. And I assume Grimm will move to left when he is not on the mound?

[1911]

I only see a couple of spots I don't really understand, unless something has transpired that I haven't heard about. Don't want to mention too many particulars, but is it really being considered taking Corey out from behind the plate? I have another player in mind that could very well fill that other outfield spot that isnt on your list, if Adams was to stay behind the plate. Aren't JD and V reversed position wise also, in your list? I don't know, maybe I am just totally confused. And I assume Grimm will move to left when he is not on the mound?
I think Grimm should end up at 1B when he isn't pitching. No from what I saw last year I'd say Viliapalndo will end up at SS this next year because he has the best range on the team. About moving Corey Adams behind the plate, I have no idea if they will or not. It might be a good move to get the best players on the field. Adams is a heck of a catcher but Brown is also a good player that needs to see time too. They could also DH Brown some. But if that happened they would be the best OF in the region. Does anyone know if the Lemaster kid is playing?

[OMG]

how old is the brown kid? i dont remember much from him last season...i thought adams did a really good job last season behind the plate and a catcher is so vital to a successful team i can't imagine anybody else doing a better job than him, however ive not seen the brown kid so maybe he can step in and do a good job behind the plate

[The Guru]

What do you think their line up will look like this year?
Here is mine
1.Corey Humphrey-CF
2.Patrick Butcher-LF
3.Corey Adams-RF
4.Shane Grimm-P
5.JD Vanhoose-2B
6.Travis Ison-3B
7.Dyllon Brown-C (Austin Lyons DH)
8.Seth Rice-1B
9.Zach Vilapalndo-SS

Looks about right!
Not!


JD has been the best SS for the past 2-3 years. Grimm is definately the best 1st baseman we have. I wouldn't move Butcher out of the 9 hole(2nd lead-off). I wouldn't move Adams from lead-off(great run producer). Hump was great in the 2 hole last year a very important spot.V is a great 2nd baseman.
But in all honesty, your line-up has probably already been inked in.

[OMG]

Looks about right!
Not!


JD has been the best SS for the past 2-3 years. Grimm is definately the best 1st baseman we have. I wouldn't move Butcher out of the 9 hole(2nd lead-off). I wouldn't move Adams from lead-off(great run producer). Hump was great in the 2 hole last year a very important spot.V is a great 2nd baseman.
But in all honesty, your line-up has probably already been inked in.

so do you think they will move adams out from behind the plate as well??

[The Guru]

how old is the brown kid? i dont remember much from him last season...i thought adams did a really good job last season behind the plate and a catcher is so vital to a successful team i can't imagine anybody else doing a better job than him, however ive not seen the brown kid so maybe he can step in and do a good job behind the plate
Brown is a soph. Great kid, but like you, I think Adams is the catcher. Brown IMO, would be a platoon player, filling in at third, maybe outfield, and giving Adams a break every now and then behind the plate.
I could go into great depth on different line-ups, but don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.....:(

[The Guru]

so do you think they will move adams out from behind the plate as well??
Bad move if you ask me. I mean...he needs a break every now and then, but not removed.

[OMG]

Brown is a soph. Great kid, but like you, I think Adams is the catcher. Brown IMO, would be a platoon player, filling in at third, maybe outfield, and giving Adams a break every now and then behind the plate.
I could go into great depth on different line-ups, but don't want to hurt anyone's feelings.....:(

i understand not mentioning lineups, but im with you on the whole adams thing...you know as well as i do how important a good catcher can decide a game...you just wonder how good a team like lawrence county would be without the hayes kid behind the plate....if you have a bad catcher you can have runners on 2nd and 3rd every inning, and i think adams made really great strides last year behind the plate, and from what ive seen of him he is a workhorse as well, and i think he could stay behind the plate and end up being an unbelieavable player in the future....i hope they keep him back there

[BlueStripes]

What do you think their line up will look like this year?
Here is mine
1.Corey Humphrey-CF
2.Patrick Butcher-LF
3.Corey Adams-RF
4.Shane Grimm-P
5.JD Vanhoose-2B
6.Travis Ison-3B
7.Dyllon Brown-C (Austin Lyons DH)
8.Seth Rice-1B
9.Zach Vilapalndo-SS

Must not have watched alot of Paintsville last season. Here is how is should look like based on last season.
Batting order not sure yet.

1. Corey Humphrey-CF
2. Patrick Butcher-RF
3. Corey Adams-C
4. Shane Grimm-P
5. JD Vanhoose-SS
6. Travis Ison-3B
7. Zach Vilapalndo-2B
8. Seth Rice/Austin Lyons-1B
9. Jake Cyrus-LF

[OMG]

Must not have watched alot of Paintsville last season. Here is how is should look like based on last season.
Batting order not sure yet.

1. Corey Humphrey-CF
2. Patrick Butcher-RF
3. Corey Adams-C
4. Shane Grimm-P
5. JD Vanhoose-SS
6. Travis Ison-3B
7. Zach Vilapalndo-2B
8. Seth Rice/Austin Lyons-1B
9. Jake Cyrus-LF

that doesn't look bad, but you would have Adams in the 3 hole??

[The Guru]

that doesn't look bad, but you would have Adams in the 3 hole??
he said not sure yet.
I would leave Adams leading off. No need to change success to me

[Ring'Em Up]

Must not have watched alot of Paintsville last season. Here is how is should look like based on last season.
Batting order not sure yet.

1. Corey Humphrey-CF
2. Patrick Butcher-RF
3. Corey Adams-C
4. Shane Grimm-P
5. JD Vanhoose-SS
6. Travis Ison-3B
7. Zach Vilapalndo-2B
8. Seth Rice/Austin Lyons-1B
9. Jake Cyrus-LF

I like. I would prefer Humphrey in the 1 and Adams in the 3.

[Mr.Kimball]

Looks about right!
Not!


JD has been the best SS for the past 2-3 years. Grimm is definately the best 1st baseman we have. I wouldn't move Butcher out of the 9 hole(2nd lead-off). I wouldn't move Adams from lead-off(great run producer). Hump was great in the 2 hole last year a very important spot.V is a great 2nd baseman.
But in all honesty, your line-up has probably already been inked in.

Aint no way JD should have been at SS over Pugh. There is this thing called range. If he plays SS this year you will see what I am talking about. Not a better glove, slower feet, and not a better arm.

[Mr.Kimball]

I like. I would prefer Humphrey in the 1 and Adams in the 3.

Your exactly right.

[Mr.Kimball]

Looks about right!
Not!


JD has been the best SS for the past 2-3 years. Grimm is definately the best 1st baseman we have. I wouldn't move Butcher out of the 9 hole(2nd lead-off). I wouldn't move Adams from lead-off(great run producer). Hump was great in the 2 hole last year a very important spot.V is a great 2nd baseman.
But in all honesty, your line-up has probably already been inked in. IMO, Adams was a great run producer because he had Pugh and Sublett to get him in. To me, Adams is the obvious replacement for Pugh in the 3 hole. Humphries is very capable of being the leadoff man.

[BlueStripes]

Funy how I said BATTING ORDER NOT SURE YET, but people still say somthing about it lol.

[OMG]

Funy how I said BATTING ORDER NOT SURE YET, but people still say somthing about it lol.

i actually didn't even read that part, my bad...

[The Guru]

Aint no way JD should have been at SS over Pugh. There is this thing called range. If he plays SS this year you will see what I am talking about. Not a better glove, slower feet, and not a better arm.

Hate to disagree, but JD does in fact have both a better glove and better arm. Slower feet, I will give you, but he has better instinct at SS. I have watched both play nearly every game they have since t-ball, and it is JMO.

[The Guru]

IMO, Adams was a great run producer because he had Pugh and Sublett to get him in. To me, Adams is the obvious replacement for Pugh in the 3 hole. Humphries is very capable of being the leadoff man.
Hump is very capable. But he was the one that moved Adams into scoring position. He is a good contact hitter, knows how to hit to the right side, excellent bunter and will do exactly what the coaches say without question. Adams has proven himself as a great lead=oo hitter and Hump has proven himself as a great 2 hole hitter. Why change? We know we will have people in scoring position with zero or 1 out, so we just have to have others step up! And that happens every year. There are always, every year a couple of kids(usually Seniors) that have a great year at the plate.

[Mr.Kimball]

Hate to disagree, but JD does in fact have both a better glove and better arm. Slower feet, I will give you, but he has better instinct at SS. I have watched both play nearly every game they have since t-ball, and it is JMO.
Everybody is certainly intitled to their opinion, but you'll see what I am talking about.

[Lisa Douglas]

I thoroughly loved watching DP on the field. I believe he could have played anywhere. I am just sorry he wasn't used more on the mound or had his talent there worked with over the course of the years. He was & is a very good kid & look forward to catching a game or two of his college career too!

[OMG]

Hump is very capable. But he was the one that moved Adams into scoring position. He is a good contact hitter, knows how to hit to the right side, excellent bunter and will do exactly what the coaches say without question. Adams has proven himself as a great lead=oo hitter and Hump has proven himself as a great 2 hole hitter. Why change? We know we will have people in scoring position with zero or 1 out, so we just have to have others step up! And that happens every year. There are always, every year a couple of kids(usually Seniors) that have a great year at the plate.

has humphrey lived in paintsville his whole life? i just haven't heard much about him except for last season, i was just wondering?

[The Guru]

has humphrey lived in paintsville his whole life? i just haven't heard much about him except for last season, i was just wondering?
No, his family moved here from Lawrence Co. when he was a Soph.

[OMG]

No, his family moved here from Lawrence Co. when he was a Soph.

oh ok thanks i guess that would make sense why i hadn't heard of him...

[BassMaster08]

They should be pretty solid.

[blackwidow]

What do you think their line up will look like this year?
Here is mine
1.Corey Humphrey-CF
2.Patrick Butcher-LF
3.Corey Adams-RF
4.Shane Grimm-P
5.JD Vanhoose-2B
6.Travis Ison-3B
7.Dyllon Brown-C (Austin Lyons DH)
8.Seth Rice-1B
9.Zach Vilapalndo-SS

I'm not so sure why you would move Corey from behind the plate. You want your most senior man catching. There is something to be said for experience and ability (not taking anything away from Brown but he still needs to develop his skills IMO). The first 6 in the batting order I would agree with, but the lower 3 I'm not so sure.

Also IMO Shane has earned the right to be playing first base when he isn't on the mound (playing left field last year was almost a disaster when he went for a fly ball and stepped into a hole or something out there I believe).

[The Guru]

I'm not so sure why you would move Corey from behind the plate. You want your most senior man catching. There is something to be said for experience and ability (not taking anything away from Brown but he still needs to develop his skills IMO). The first 6 in the batting order I would agree with, but the lower 3 I'm not so sure.

Also IMO Shane has earned the right to be playing first base when he isn't on the mound (playing left field last year was almost a disaster when he went for a fly ball and stepped into a hole or something out there I believe).

That is a very good point......I had not even thought about that part of a reason to put him at first(besides the obvious) He is a great first baseman, is a lot more agile there than any others that would play there, and I know he would have a stronger arm than Cyrus in left field, but you would say that about his arm strength over Hump in Center and Butch in right as well. Cyrus has a very accurate arm and is just as fast if not more so than Grimm. Their gloves are about the same, so, in reality you wouldn't lose much there if any. But on the other hand.....at first base, his glove is much the best, his mobility is much, much the best his arm is the best, so you would be weakening that position a lot IMO. Although, Cyrus will need to be a lot more aggressive at the plate, because he will not be given the benifit of the doubt.

[OMG]

That is a very good point......I had not even thought about that part of a reason to put him at first(besides the obvious) He is a great first baseman, is a lot more agile there than any others that would play there, and I know he would have a stronger arm than Cyrus in left field, but you would say that about his arm strength over Hump in Center and Butch in right as well. Cyrus has a very accurate arm and is just as fast if not more so than Grimm. Their gloves are about the same, so, in reality you wouldn't lose much there if any. But on the other hand.....at first base, his glove is much the best, his mobility is much, much the best his arm is the best, so you would be weakening that position a lot IMO. Although, Cyrus will need to be a lot more aggressive at the plate, because he will not be given the benifit of the doubt.

i agree in a lot of ways the first base position is a lot like catching...it can make or break a team depending on the type of play there..if you have somebody who is known to let balls go by and not make scoop plays then you run the risk of starting innings off with runners in scoring position every time a ball is hit in the infield....and its the same with catchers, they make a world of difference when it comes to keeping kids out of scoring position on non-hit balls....you want your most dependable guys there i think...but theres a lot o positions you could make that argument for as well

[Augie Garrido]

oh ok thanks i guess that would make sense why i hadn't heard of him...You haven't heard much of Humphrey but he's started CF for 2 years and this will be his 3rd but yet, you are a Tiger fan.

;)

Humphrey could have a big year.

[OMG]

You haven't heard much of Humphrey but he's started CF for 2 years and this will be his 3rd but yet, you are a Tiger fan.

;)

Humphrey could have a big year.



i dont understand what your getting at...i knew humphrey had been on the team for two years, and the rest of the players on the team i had known growing up through the little league program....humphrey wasnt one of those that i knew from little league thats why i was asking about him...

this is just a rediculus argument i dont even understand what your trying to prove i simply asked about a kid that was new to the tiger program...

ive been involved with the little league for many years and i like to keep up with the kids that come through it and i had not heard of this kid except for the past couple of years..i think if you'll read all the posts you'll see thats what i was getting at....YOUR A BIGGER TIGER FAN THAN ME!!! is that what you needed to hear?

[EKY Sportster]

i dont understand what your getting at...i knew humphrey had been on the team for two years, and the rest of the players on the team i had known growing up through the little league program....humphrey wasnt one of those that i knew from little league thats why i was asking about him...

this is just a rediculus argument i dont even understand what your trying to prove i simply asked about a kid that was new to the tiger program...

ive been involved with the little league for many years and i like to keep up with the kids that come through it and i had not heard of this kid except for the past couple of years..i think if you'll read all the posts you'll see thats what i was getting at....YOUR A BIGGER TIGER FAN THAN ME!!! is that what you needed to hear?

Don't know what the point is either, I follow you. He must not have read all of the posts. Anyway, lets get back on topic.

I think the Tigers are going to be very solid this year. I just hope the coaching staff uses the players in the best positions and batting order. That is crucial to the success of any team.

[The Guru]

Don't know what the point is either, I follow you. He must not have read all of the posts. Anyway, lets get back on topic.

I think the Tigers are going to be very solid this year. I just hope the coaching staff uses the players in the best positions and batting order. That is crucial to the success of any team.
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[OMG]

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haha its nice to see you haven't lost your sense of humor, haha.....

[Lisa Douglas]

Don't know what the point is either, I follow you. He must not have read all of the posts. Anyway, lets get back on topic.

I think the Tigers are going to be very solid this year. I just hope the coaching staff uses the players in the best positions and batting order. That is crucial to the success of any team.


Praying right now.

[Ring'Em Up]

I know prayers can do anything....but come on........................

[OMG]

i think everyone is praying for that..haha..

["INSIGHT"]

I've been reading these posts for a while and finally I signed up just to comment... it seems that some of the posts are directed toward the coaching staff and are based on some parents opinions about their own kids playing time.. true Coach howard has imo made some mistakes in the past but he puts in the work and effort for the program....so let's give him a chance this season and stand behind the program.....
some over looked facts for the line up are players past years performance and how much travel ball and work they put in the high school off season..

Some of the kids that probably expect playing time , more than likely have not worked much toward that goal in the off season...

line-up based on facts

reference the ky high school coaches web site for offense. best offensive performers were pugh, adams, sublett, vanhoose...in that order they were in the top of almost every offensive category.......and adams led the state in runs scored.....vanhoose and adams are back this year thus they should be placed in the position to do the most damage....Grimm also a good hitter..next in line

1. Corey Humphrey (CF probably the fastest in the region)
2. Zach vialpando 2b (great glove,, Hits ball for base hits to R side)
3. Corey Adams C (Hits more for power and looks to be stronger this year)
4.Shane Grimm 1b P (hits for power and contact whatever is needed)
5.J.D. Vanhoose ss (hits much like grimm so , could interchange)

from this point this years performance should dictate the order but this should be a good starting point.

6. Dillon Brown 3b ( has been good contact hitter in the past)
7. Travis ison lf ( needs to proove glove and bat to move up)
8.tyler lemaster / Austin lyons/ Seth alex Rice/ (dh, p 3b,1b)
9. Pat Butcher RF ( has great speed , bat needs work , can bunt

Also there are a few younger kids and a couple of returning palyers who might be able to step into a role but remain yet unproven!!!!

This , keep in mind this is only my opinion..but largely based on past performance and off season effort placed toward the development of skills...not how well I know the kid or their parents!!!

["INSIGHT"]

again I appoligize for the delay in responce but I just signed up..However in responce to Mr. Kimball

I think that if you try to compare JD to Dp...there is no comparison..I agree
However, I don't think that either one of these players is a prototype ss ..Dp is a great player and I'm sure his new coach would agree..but his best position is not ss...and jd's best position is also not ss but for lack of a better one he should be the starter there this year...and he does have surprising depth and range there despite slow feet he seems to gravitate toward the ball better from that side of the field and I would bet that he will put up just as good defensive stats as dp did...Maybe better....I personally hope that he can find what's missing with his arm and have a good year on the mound...he has always had a lot of potiential there as well...

["INSIGHT"]

in re: to corey humphrey....imo he's agreat defensive player very quick and good glove.....also made several throws from cf to the plate to keep runners from scoring.......his offense does not glare out at you because he has hit in the 2 hole where he has sacrificed many at bats to move runners into scoring position which helped account for many of the runs paintsville scored last season.....he seems satisfied in that role and he is good at it..this kid is a team player and is very valuable to the offense in this regard

[OMG]

again I appoligize for the delay in responce but I just signed up..However in responce to Mr. Kimball

I think that if you try to compare JD to Dp...there is no comparison..I agree
However, I don't think that either one of these players is a prototype ss ..Dp is a great player and I'm sure his new coach would agree..but his best position is not ss...and jd's best position is also not ss but for lack of a better one he should be the starter there this year...and he does have surprising depth and range there despite slow feet he seems to gravitate toward the ball better from that side of the field and I would bet that he will put up just as good defensive stats as dp did...Maybe better....I personally hope that he can find what's missing with his arm and have a good year on the mound...he has always had a lot of potiential there as well...



i agree i hope vanhoose can get it together on the mound, it would make paintsville's season much more competitive, but im gonna have to disagree with the DP and JD comments...i just dont think that JD has the ability to be "better" than DP at all...DP was a great players and i may get surprised this year but DP could get a jump on a ball as good as i seen in the region last season, and i think that will be JD's downfall...if he does start to get his reaction down off the swing and can read the angle of the bat better i think he could really improve and become a productive ss, but i still dont think he can ever surpass DP...IMO

[Ring'Em Up]

i agree i hope vanhoose can get it together on the mound, it would make paintsville's season much more competitive, but im gonna have to disagree with the DP and JD comments...i just dont think that JD has the ability to be "better" than DP at all...DP was a great players and i may get surprised this year but DP could get a jump on a ball as good as i seen in the region last season, and i think that will be JD's downfall...if he does start to get his reaction down off the swing and can read the angle of the bat better i think he could really improve and become a productive ss, but i still dont think he can ever surpass DP...IMO
Agree. Completely.

[Mr.Kimball]

again I appoligize for the delay in responce but I just signed up..However in responce to Mr. Kimball

I think that if you try to compare JD to Dp...there is no comparison..I agree
However, I don't think that either one of these players is a prototype ss ..Dp is a great player and I'm sure his new coach would agree..but his best position is not ss...and jd's best position is also not ss but for lack of a better one he should be the starter there this year...and he does have surprising depth and range there despite slow feet he seems to gravitate toward the ball better from that side of the field and I would bet that he will put up just as good defensive stats as dp did...Maybe better....I personally hope that he can find what's missing with his arm and have a good year on the mound...he has always had a lot of potiential there as well...
I respect your opinion. You have made a couple of good points in both of your posts, but some parts I will respectfully disagree with you on.

One thing that you will not see on the stat sheet is the ability of a fielder to get to a ball that might get through the hole or up the middle. Sometimes just knocking the ball down can be considered a vital play even if the runner happens to be able to still get on base by way of an infield single. It sometimes keeps an existing runner from maybe scoring on a hit up the middle or one hit in the gap. There is a reason why middle infielders are required at the next level to be able to run in the 6.7 to 6.8 range. A 7.0 flat at the worst. With just a wild guess, I am going to say that VanHoose is in the 7.4 to 7.5 range. You cant even play 1st base at the next level with those numbers unless you are Mark McGuire. You have to have speed and quickness to potentialy make those plays. I guess what I am trying to say is that perhaps even though one player may have statictical numbers better than another may not be a great indicator of whom the better choice to play the position is. To be honest I dont think there was the first player in the 15th region able to play shortstop at the next level to begin with. Considering the fact of the required ability of speed and quickness, the only two with a remote possibility was either Blanton or Pugh. And in my opinion, neither one had the glove , but they did possess the speed and quickness factor. VanHoose may in deed be Paintsville's best option to play the position this year, but the original debate was the statement that VanHoose should have been the starting short stop the last several years over Pugh. No way. I think it is very evident that Pugh is a much better outfielder than infielder, especially at the next level. However, IMO, Paintsville's staff had the right people in the right spot last season at that position.

[The Guru]

I respect your opinion. You have made a couple of good points in both of your posts, but some parts I will respectfully disagree with you on.

One thing that you will not see on the stat sheet is the ability of a fielder to get to a ball that might get through the hole or up the middle. Sometimes just knocking the ball down can be considered a vital play even if the runner happens to be able to still get on base by way of an infield single. It sometimes keeps an existing runner from maybe scoring on a hit up the middle or one hit in the gap. There is a reason why middle infielders are required at the next level to be able to run in the 6.7 to 6.8 range. With just a wild guess, I am going to say that VanHoose is in the 7.4 to 7.5 range. You have to have speed and quickness to potentialy make those plays. I guess what I am trying to say is that perhaps even though one player may have statictical numbers better than another may not be a great indicator of whom the better choice to play the position is. To be honest I dont think there was the first player in the 15th region able to play shortstop at the next level to begin with. Considering the fact of the required ability of speed and quickness, the only two with a remote possibility was either Blanton or Pugh. And in my opinion, neither one had the glove , but they did possess the speed and quickness factor. VanHoose may in deed be Paintsville's best option to play the position this year, but the original debate was the statement that VanHoose should have been the starting short stop the last several years over Pugh. No way. I think it is very evident that Pugh is a much better outfielder than infielder, especially at the next level. However, IMO, Paintsville's staff had the right people in the right spot last season at that position.

Shew......you just like to argue this!!!
Are you sure you are not MRS. Kimble?;) :D

[Mr.Kimball]

Shew......you just like to argue this!!!
Are you sure you are not MRS. Kimble?;) :D
Hey, she says I just like to argue, period. But then, I learned it all from her anyways.:)

[OMG]

I respect your opinion. You have made a couple of good points in both of your posts, but some parts I will respectfully disagree with you on.

One thing that you will not see on the stat sheet is the ability of a fielder to get to a ball that might get through the hole or up the middle. Sometimes just knocking the ball down can be considered a vital play even if the runner happens to be able to still get on base by way of an infield single. It sometimes keeps an existing runner from maybe scoring on a hit up the middle or one hit in the gap. There is a reason why middle infielders are required at the next level to be able to run in the 6.7 to 6.8 range. A 7.0 flat at the worst. With just a wild guess, I am going to say that VanHoose is in the 7.4 to 7.5 range. You cant even play 1st base at the next level with those numbers unless you are Mark McGuire. You have to have speed and quickness to potentialy make those plays. I guess what I am trying to say is that perhaps even though one player may have statictical numbers better than another may not be a great indicator of whom the better choice to play the position is. To be honest I dont think there was the first player in the 15th region able to play shortstop at the next level to begin with. Considering the fact of the required ability of speed and quickness, the only two with a remote possibility was either Blanton or Pugh. And in my opinion, neither one had the glove , but they did possess the speed and quickness factor. VanHoose may in deed be Paintsville's best option to play the position this year, but the original debate was the statement that VanHoose should have been the starting short stop the last several years over Pugh. No way. I think it is very evident that Pugh is a much better outfielder than infielder, especially at the next level. However, IMO, Paintsville's staff had the right people in the right spot last season at that position.


thats pretty much what i said, well put, way to go into a lot more detail and make me look bad...just kidding...

[Mr.Kimball]

thats pretty much what i said, well put, way to go into a lot more detail and make me look bad...just kidding...
I guess I've always taken the long way around every thing I do...... lol

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I guess I've always taken the long way around every thing I do...... lol

oh well i guess i let it slide, jk....atleast its good to see people post who actually know what they are talking about...thats few and far between on here...haha..just kidding everybody please dont report me..lol

[Ring'Em Up]

oh well i guess i let it slide, jk....atleast its good to see people post who actually know what they are talking about...thats few and far between on here...haha..just kidding everybody please dont report me..lol
You can report people on here??? This is gonna be fun.......................:shh:

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You can report people on here??? This is gonna be fun.......................:shh:



haha yeh unfortunately the law is everywhere...

["INSIGHT"]

let me correct my position on this post... I agree that dp has more speed than jd.. gloves about the same..jd probably with the better arm when he decides he should use it..... just like the situtation with paintsville this year ...DP fell in to the situtation that we really did not have a better alternative at the time ..and I think that it was the right choice to play him there initially...but in a perfect world.....after all the errors at that position in the 07 season...a change could have been made..not being a perfect world that would have destroyed the team focus as Dp was the team leader and remains one kid that I would choose to have as my team leader..great kid unbeatable work ethic....Mr. Kimble we both know , However that he is not a short stop.but that he may have been paintsville's only choice last season...

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let me correct my position on this post... I agree that dp has more speed than jd.. gloves about the same..jd probably with the better arm when he decides he should use it..... just like the situtation with paintsville this year ...DP fell in to the situtation that we really did not have a better alternative at the time ..and I think that it was the right choice to play him there initially...but in a perfect world.....after all the errors at that position in the 07 season...a change could have been made..not being a perfect world that would have destroyed the team focus as Dp was the team leader and remains one kid that I would choose to have as my team leader..great kid unbeatable work ethic....Mr. Kimble we both know , However that he is not a short stop.but that he may have been paintsville's only choice last season...

DP was a very good high school SS, what are you suggesting that he is then...obvoiusly you had another option in Jd, but DP was your obvious choice because he was and is great shortstop...

[kyrifle]

Let me see if I can enlighten some of you on the supposedly, all the errors, that Pugh committed. I saw a lot of games that paintsville played last year and I don't recall these errors. Yes he had some errors but I think a lot of these resulted in the range he had getting to ball's that were deep in the hole to either side of him. I saw a few E's given to him because the 1st baseman was out of position, stretches out before the throw was delivered, and couldn't handle the short hop. Had Grim been at 1st I think a lot of those balls would have been handled. His range was excelent. He knocked balls down that no one else on this team could have gotten to. The only other kid to get to as many balls as Pugh would have been the Blanton kid at JC IMO.
As far as arm strength goes you can't compare Van Hoose to Pugh becaus JD has yet to show his. He's had arm trouble since the 8th grade.
What you people need to do is look at Mr. Kimble's posts, from what I've he seems to be one of a very few who can evaluate a player pretty well.

[The Blue Blur]

Let me see if I can enlighten some of you on the supposedly, all the errors, that Pugh committed. I saw a lot of games that paintsville played last year and I don't recall these errors. Yes he had some errors but I think a lot of these resulted in the range he had getting to ball's that were deep in the hole to either side of him. I saw a few E's given to him because the 1st baseman was out of position, stretches out before the throw was delivered, and couldn't handle the short hop. Had Grim been at 1st I think a lot of those balls would have been handled. His range was excelent. He knocked balls down that no one else on this team could have gotten to. The only other kid to get to as many balls as Pugh would have been the Blanton kid at JC IMO.
As far as arm strength goes you can't compare Van Hoose to Pugh becaus JD has yet to show his. He's had arm trouble since the 8th grade.
What you people need to do is look at Mr. Kimble's posts, from what I've he seems to be one of a very few who can evaluate a player pretty well.

You can't be serious blaming some of Pugh's errors on Subby. Sublett had errors at first, everyone who touches the ball on a consistent basis has errors but to blame Pugh's errors on Subby is ridiculous. Sublett was one of the better first basemen this side of the state last year. Have you ever happened to see Subby dig for a short hop at 1st?? I guess his inabilities is why he's starting at the next level. Grimm is a heck of a baseball player no doubt, but I didn't see any reason why he should've been starting first. He'll be lucky to be starting first with the two that's coming up.

[kyrifle]

You can't be serious blaming some of Pugh's errors on Subby. Sublett had errors at first, everyone who touches the ball on a consistent basis has errors but to blame Pugh's errors on Subby is ridiculous. Sublett was one of the better first basemen this side of the state last year. Have you ever happened to see Subby dig for a short hop at 1st?? I guess his inabilities is why he's starting at the next level. Grimm is a heck of a baseball player no doubt, but I didn't see any reason why he should've been starting first. He'll be lucky to be starting first with the two that's coming up.
Not blaming Subby for all the ones he missed, just the one's he was stretched out for that he didn't have to stretch for. As far as being one of the best at that position we'll have to disagree. Not your prototypical 1st baseman, which is about 6'3". I like Subby very much but I liked him better at another position rather than 1st. JMO.....

[BassMaster08]

Then where would you like to see Subby play at? Since that is the position that got him to college and thats what he is playing at college. I looks like your the only one that doesnt like Subby at 1st.

[kyrifle]

This compareson stuff is over for me. We'll see when the spring signing is over where everyone has signed to play. Bottom line Pugh is competing and playing at a D1 school, he's moved on. How about everyone else doing the same.

[kyrifle]

Then where would you like to see Subby play at? Since that is the position that got him to college and thats what he is playing at college. I looks like your the only one that doesnt like Subby at 1st.


I personally think he would have been a pretty good outfielder. Had adquate speed and enough arm to play there.

[The Blue Blur]

I personally think he would have been a pretty good outfielder. Had adquate speed and enough arm to play there.

Very easily could've been an outfielder, but I think Tucker liked his abilities at first. Obviously the coach at Pikeville College feels the same way. You can disagree with me but he was named first basemen for the Big Sandy News' all area team. Selected to play in the East-West All-Star game playing at first base. Prototypical is nothing in the game, that all looks good on paper. I guess many thought that about the 6 foot even Jeff Bagwell. I've not seen Shane Grimm make any great plays at first. Maybe if he put half the effort into playing the field that he does into pitching or on the basketball court, he'd be a fine first baseman. Like I said with the two that are coming up, he'll be lucky to see time at first even though that's where you want to see him at.

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Then where would you like to see Subby play at? Since that is the position that got him to college and thats what he is playing at college. I looks like your the only one that doesnt like Subby at 1st.

i like subby a whole lot but im concerned he's not going to see much time if any in college...his inability to hit a curve has really hindered him over the years and i will agree with some that grimm is a better first baseman...i really like subby he's a good kid but i wish he would have went and tried out alice loyd....

[The Guru]

Very easily could've been an outfielder, but I think Tucker liked his abilities at first. Obviously the coach at Pikeville College feels the same way. You can disagree with me but he was named first basemen for the Big Sandy News' all area team. Selected to play in the East-West All-Star game playing at first base. Prototypical is nothing in the game, that all looks good on paper. I guess many thought that about the 6 foot even Jeff Bagwell. I've not seen Shane Grimm make any great plays at first. Maybe if he put half the effort into playing the field that he does into pitching or on the basketball court, he'd be a fine first baseman. Like I said with the two that are coming up, he'll be lucky to see time at first even though that's where you want to see him at.


Are you saying that Seth and Austin are the best choices for Paintsville's First baseman?

[BassMaster08]

I actually heard that Subby was the starter at 1st base for Pikeville.

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I actually heard that Subby was the starter at 1st base for Pikeville.

no i dont think so, they actually have a new guy from the dominican republic that will be at first base...unfortunately i dont think he will see the field, i hate that for him, but from what some others from paintsville who are closer to him than i am have told me, his hitting just isn't there right now, hard adjusting to college pitching and of course the college changeup...

["INSIGHT"]

Again, I will try to clear up my opinion on dp this kid is a great baseball player and athelete but imo his skills are better suited for another position and paintsville's team did make many errors in the infield last season..but probably the numbers did not exceed that of a routine season..I really don't think these forums should be used to bash any high school athletes..they are all going to make mistakes and some will learn from them and get better and others won't
I hope that jd will have a good season at ss this year....and maybe he can prove his ability.......

[blackwidow]

You know, I'm not sure why all the talk about DP and Sub, look where they're at, playing college ball AND g

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Again, I will try to clear up my opinion on dp this kid is a great baseball player and athelete but imo his skills are better suited for another position and paintsville's team did make many errors in the infield last season..but probably the numbers did not exceed that of a routine season..I really don't think these forums should be used to bash any high school athletes..they are all going to make mistakes and some will learn from them and get better and others won't
I hope that jd will have a good season at ss this year....and maybe he can prove his ability.......

well obviously theres no chance at having a discussion with someone who keeps reposting the same thing, we know your opinion, but we just disagree, thats all, its fine, im not mad, are you mad? i think dp is better at ss and you dont so we agree to disagree and i can live with that..

[blackwidow]

You know, I'm not sure why all the talk about DP and Sub, look where they're at, playing college ball AND g
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I'm not so sure why the talk about DP and Sub on a thread about '08 baseball. They're both getting an education AND playing baseball in college. What more could anyone ask for.

The '08 Tigers are going to be fine, regardless who plays where.

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(if the moderator would delete this I would be grateful....hit the send too soon)


I'm not so sure why the talk about DP and Sub on a thread about '08 baseball. They're both getting an education AND playing baseball in college. What more could anyone ask for.

The '08 Tigers are going to be fine, regardless who plays where.

it did get off track, but we were talking about the ss position and it took a different turn, but go ahead and start i back up...nobody else was talking about anything different so .....

[The Blue Blur]

no i dont think so, they actually have a new guy from the dominican republic that will be at first base...unfortunately i dont think he will see the field, i hate that for him, but from what some others from paintsville who are closer to him than i am have told me, his hitting just isn't there right now, hard adjusting to college pitching and of course the college changeup...

Actually started their opener at 1st and went 2 for 4 at the plate.

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Actually started their opener at 1st and went 2 for 4 at the plate.

huh? well i would hope you didn't make that up off the top of your head, so ill take your word for it..haha just kidding...last time i spoke with subby he told me about some dominican and he was pretty worried he wouldn't get any playing time so i guess things have changed, thats good though im glad he's doing well...it was right after christmas break when i talked to him so i guess things had time too change..thanks for the update...

[IRISH4]

huh? well i would hope you didn't make that up off the top of your head, so ill take your word for it..haha just kidding...last time i spoke with subby he told me about some dominican and he was pretty worried he wouldn't get any playing time so i guess things have changed, thats good though im glad he's doing well...it was right after christmas break when i talked to him so i guess things had time too change..thanks for the update...

Actually IMO Subby is a better all-around player than the "dominican." Kyle started the first game and performed well from the plate. He will split time at first for now with two others until after the spring break trip. Depending on how he performs will determine what two players are going to rotate during the conference schedule.

[OffTheHook]

huh? well i would hope you didn't make that up off the top of your head, so ill take your word for it..haha just kidding...last time i spoke with subby he told me about some dominican and he was pretty worried he wouldn't get any playing time so i guess things have changed, thats good though im glad he's doing well...it was right after christmas break when i talked to him so i guess things had time too change..thanks for the update...


No he didn't make it up. And if you can believe anyone on what Subby did yesturday you can sure as heck believe me. Started and went 2-4! Best 1st basemen in the 15th last year. He will be missed there this year.

[OMG]

No he didn't make it up. And if you can believe anyone on what Subby did yesturday you can sure as heck believe me. Started and went 2-4! Best 1st basemen in the 15th last year. He will be missed there this year.

buddy read my post i said i believed him, it had been awhile since i spoke with subby and he was concerned about playing time last time i talked to him...read it im not writing it again...subby is a great guy and player and i still keep in touch with him and im glad he's playing, idk what your talking about...

[The Guru]

I've been reading these posts for a while and finally I signed up just to comment... it seems that some of the posts are directed toward the coaching staff and are based on some parents opinions about their own kids playing time.. true Coach howard has imo made some mistakes in the past but he puts in the work and effort for the program....so let's give him a chance this season and stand behind the program.....
some over looked facts for the line up are players past years performance and how much travel ball and work they put in the high school off season..

Some of the kids that probably expect playing time , more than likely have not worked much toward that goal in the off season...

line-up based on facts

reference the ky high school coaches web site for offense. best offensive performers were pugh, adams, sublett, vanhoose...in that order they were in the top of almost every offensive category.......and adams led the state in runs scored.....vanhoose and adams are back this year thus they should be placed in the position to do the most damage....Grimm also a good hitter..next in line

1. Corey Humphrey (CF probably the fastest in the region)
2. Zach vialpando 2b (great glove,, Hits ball for base hits to R side)
3. Corey Adams C (Hits more for power and looks to be stronger this year)
4.Shane Grimm 1b P (hits for power and contact whatever is needed)
5.J.D. Vanhoose ss (hits much like grimm so , could interchange)

from this point this years performance should dictate the order but this should be a good starting point.

6. Dillon Brown 3b ( has been good contact hitter in the past)
7. Travis ison lf ( needs to proove glove and bat to move up)
8.tyler lemaster / Austin lyons/ Seth alex Rice/ (dh, p 3b,1b)
9. Pat Butcher RF ( has great speed , bat needs work , can bunt

Also there are a few younger kids and a couple of returning palyers who might be able to step into a role but remain yet unproven!!!!

This , keep in mind this is only my opinion..but largely based on past performance and off season effort placed toward the development of skills...not how well I know the kid or their parents!!!
I have a few ?? about your views....
First...You say there are younger kids and returning players that are not yet proven that could step in, but then contradict yourself by inserting 5 kids into starting roles that are unproven as well. Heck...Lemaster isn't even playing. But you consider them as proven? I am not saying that they couldn't perform, because I feel they can. I love Ison to death but can't for the life of me figure out why, if you think he needs to prove himself with his glove and bat, but you stick him in the outfield when he has played infield 95% of his career.
I agree that returning starters such as Hump, Adams, Butcher, Vanhoose, Grimm and Ison should probably get the nod, but I think the rest of the spots are up for grabs.

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I have a few ?? about your views....
First...You say there are younger kids and returning players that are not yet proven that could step in, but then contradict yourself by inserting 5 kids into starting roles that are unproven as well. Heck...Lemaster isn't even playing. But you consider them as proven? I am not saying that they couldn't perform, because I feel they can. I love Ison to death but can't for the life of me figure out why, if you think he needs to prove himself with his glove and bat, but you stick him in the outfield when he has played infield 95% of his career.
I agree that returning starters such as Hump, Adams, Butcher, Vanhoose, Grimm and Ison should probably get the nod, but I think the rest of the spots are up for grabs.

yeh i agree with you those 6 should have their positions locked up, they have too much experience not to know their gonna start..they do have a few spots that are completely up for grabs..

[OffTheHook]

buddy read my post i said i believed him, it had been awhile since i spoke with subby and he was concerned about playing time last time i talked to him...read it im not writing it again...subby is a great guy and player and i still keep in touch with him and im glad he's playing, idk what your talking about...


Buddy....chill. All I was doing was letting you know it was the truth. No need to be so defensive. Nobody said anything wrong. :rolleyes:

["INSIGHT"]

GURU, sounds like you were offended personally,, first of all I did not contradict myself at all...lemaster has a good glove and bat and has pitched varsity ball
that is proven...dillon brown hit well in varsity and jv last year..travis ison is not an infielder and if you can't see that then you did not see very many games the last couple of years..but he is a senior and we need his bat if it is more consistant this year...he played outfield for charlie adkins his freshman year as well......if paintsville has a better second baseman than vialpando , I would like to know who you think it is...may i remind you that he also had some key hits at the varsity level last year. don't get me wrong...i did not rule out anyone from a starting pos..but austin or seth alex will be in line up right or wrong....so to me that does not leave a lot of room maybe 1 pos and that will depend on who's pithing..and for the record i stated where I think the kids should play ...ie: ison, I don't think that will happen but I do think paintsville would be stronger if it worked out that way......who did I leave out that you think should be in the line up, and why?

[The Guru]

GURU, sounds like you were offended personally,, first of all I did not contradict myself at all...lemaster has a good glove and bat and has pitched varsity ball
that is proven...dillon brown hit well in varsity and jv last year..travis ison is not an infielder and if you can't see that then you did not see very many games the last couple of years..but he is a senior and we need his bat if it is more consistant this year...he played outfield for charlie adkins his freshman year as well......if paintsville has a better second baseman than vialpando , I would like to know who you think it is...may i remind you that he also had some key hits at the varsity level last year. don't get me wrong...i did not rule out anyone from a starting pos..but austin or seth alex will be in line up right or wrong....so to me that does not leave a lot of room maybe 1 pos and that will depend on who's pithing..and for the record i stated where I think the kids should play ...ie: ison, I don't think that will happen but I do think paintsville would be stronger if it worked out that way......who did I leave out that you think should be in the line up, and why?

I am not offended and don't see how I came off that way after re reading my post. I just pointed out that you seemed to be putting a line up together with half the line up with very little exp. And say the rest need to prove themselves.

V is a great second baseman and I do look for him to be our regular at that position.
I am not sure he is as strong at the plate as you feel, but is very capable and smart.

Dyllon has proven to be a good back up for Adams and is a good hitter. He has not had much work defensively anywhere but catching at varsity so, befor I would automatically put him into the starting line up, I think he needs to show that there is a position out there that he is ready to claim.

Austin and Seth may get auto bids as everyday players, but I hope it would be because of earned. I would like to think that anyway. But....in all honesty, 1st base is about the only place and I think Grimm is very far ahead of them at that spot. Not saying they can't beat him out.

Travis played how much outfield for Adkins? a few innings?
You say he is not an infielder, then why for the last 2 years has he been the utility infielder?

As far as the outfield goes, Hump, Butcher, Grimm and Cyrus are our best four and there is not a lot of difference between them if you consider all aspects.

Cyrus and Grimm manned LF last year and had about the same speed and glove, Grimm had a stronger arm(but he had the strongest of any)but Cyrus' arm is more accurate. makes them about dead even.

I know Jake will get a chance to become an every day player and with his added size strength and speed from last year, I think he might just. His bat was not strong last year, but he never knew if he was gonna hit or not. But I would put his K's to plate appearances up there with anyone on the team.

I guess what I am saying is that with Grimm at first, Cyrus, Hump and Butcher in the outfield. It looks like a strong defense can be fielded by the Tigers.

One thing though....I would give a few games befor I started using DH. Nothing like destroying a kids confidence by not showing that you even had any in him.

Adams behind the plate, with JD and V gives a very solid middle D, Ison at third.


Yeah....I could live with that D.

[Ring'Em Up]

From anything I have seen from the outside, I, personally don't know why the lineup would be ANY other way than what Guru has configured. IF you are wanting to win and that is your main goal. What spots ya really got to fill from last year's great team...LF if Grimm goes to 1B for Sub, and 2B if Jd goes to SS? I dont know of anyone but Cyrus in LF and V at 2B for those spots. Austin would be my choice for 1B when Grimm throwing, then he will also get his starts on the hill, so ya could almost pencil him in as an everyday also. Work the couple other young guys in, a game a week or sumthin of the sort, and that looks like the team to beat in the 15th this year. Will it happen that way? I am not real sure. We all know who makes the final calls, so hopefully they go in with an open mind and put the best out there for the teams best interest. With all that talent, it would be hard to mess up what should be another great season for the Tigers, but also very easily derailed if alot of shakeups go on. Good luck anyways. Im sure we will see a long run this year in the postseason.

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I cannot presumeably answer why a paticular coach makes decesions, maybe he views talent differently maybe he does not want to interupt a team dynamic..but imo ison should be in the outfield it might take off some pressure he puts on himself in the infield and give him more confidence which could carry over to the plate...

to say that Humphrey, grimm, butcher and cyrus are the same level of talent imo is simply absurd....so I won't even argue this point any longer.

I do agree with you that a DH might not be needed initally depending on how the line up is set. and who is hitting the ball well this season..

you highlighted my comment about the younger players and the returning players.....I don't see any of either that have proven anything as of yet...but this a new season...in the scenario which I think you are suggesting, if it is used I think you will see a Dh in the 8 hole...paintsville scored a lot of runs last season and they are missing big rbi production from pugh and sublett which must be picked up by adams humphrey vanhoose and grimm and the next 5 hitters must be able to get on base and score this is why I picked brown ,vialpando and lemaster good contact hitters.....i think lyons and rice hit well last season .

also grimm is an excellent outfielder when not pitching and will probably rotate
of and 1b to give a stronger def line up depending who is on the mound.

[Ring'Em Up]

Shew, you're really wanting those corner infield spots opened up, aren't ya, with the constant talk of Ison and now Grimm going back to the outfield? If Ison is taken off 3rd base for Brown, as you are saying, Coach Howard needs his head checked. Nuthin personal, Coach, but gee-oh.
And what's the deal? Is LeMaster playing this year or what? Anyone know?

[Ring'Em Up]

By the way, anyone got any ideas of what the rotation is gonna look like this year? Ive got my ideas, but wonder what you Tiger folks know about the situation. Who they are? How many deep they prob use?

["INSIGHT"]

Hey...I'm not the one making absurd player comparisons and any way the corners will probably be filled with lyons , rice and grimm will rotate from 1b to lf to p if things go the way I predict. but I absolutely am not trying to adjust the line-up for a single player nor am I overrating one players ability to justify a position, but simply rotations that look based on past performances and coaching tendencies to be realistic possibilities...I have no favorites in this race.

I am not saying that grimm should not play 1b but if rice and lyons are in the game and not pitching and they will be, they can only play the corners and grimm being a strong outfielder with a strong arm should be in lf under these circumstances....and appearently lemasters status is in question so I'll take him out of the equation for now but that leaves a kid like brown who can be a valuable player in the field . back up for adams now but should be able to transition to 3rd without much difficulity (same basic skills set as catching)
as to cyrus ,will get playing time...Maybe he has grown and gotten a lot stronger...don't know but they need bats as I mentioned earlier so I would not initially adjust out field line up based on this . did he play any off season ball to improve skills...

[slingblade93]

Hey...I'm not the one making absurd player comparisons and any way the corners will probably be filled with lyons , rice and grimm will rotate from 1b to lf to p if things go the way I predict. but I absolutely am not trying to adjust the line-up for a single player nor am I overrating one players ability to justify a position, but simply rotations that look based on past performances and coaching tendencies to be realistic possibilities...I have no favorites in this race.

I am not saying that grimm should not play 1b but if rice and lyons are in the game and not pitching and they will be, they can only play the corners and grimm being a strong outfielder with a strong arm should be in lf under these circumstances....and appearently lemasters status is in question so I'll take him out of the equation for now but that leaves a kid like brown who can be a valuable player in the field . back up for adams now but should be able to transition to 3rd without much difficulity (same basic skills set as catching)
as to cyrus ,will get playing time...Maybe he has grown and gotten a lot stronger...don't know but they need bats as I mentioned earlier so I would not initially adjust out field line up based on this . did he play any off season ball to improve skills...

I'm sure cyrus did something over the summer and I didn't think he needed to improve a whole lot ,IMO.

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I'm sure cyrus did something over the summer and I didn't think he needed to improve a whole lot ,IMO.

everybody has one !!!!!:D

["INSIGHT"]

an opinion that is.

[slingblade93]

an opinion that is.


And in your opinion 3rd base is basicly the same as catching.:thatsfunn

["INSIGHT"]

if you mean to imply that any player does not need to work hard and improve, then this is as absurd as a few other statements in this thread or did you mean that this kid did not need to improve??? matters not....same responce

["INSIGHT"]

No I stated that the two positions have the same skill set requirements....quick hands and feet ,they don't call it the hot corner for nothing. also good glove. and I think that I was implying that dillon brown could probably transition into this position or don't you think that a player should have more than 1 position either?????

[slingblade93]

if you mean to imply that any player does not need to work hard and improve, then this is as absurd as a few other statements in this thread or did you mean that this kid did not need to improve??? matters not....same responce


You could say every player on every team needs to improve. I was simply saying IMO that he did not need to improve to get in the starting line-up. But, since you know all, we will let you decide the starting line-ups for all local teams.

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not clear on what that means...but I will reserve my 15th region line ups for another post.....

clearly I am not stating that every team member should not have a chance to earn a starting position if you read my origional post..I said that there were some younger players and returning players that I felt should have a shot at the line up....but some of us want to turn this into a post to justify one player and not consider alternatives which may work "team Sport"

[slingblade93]

not clear on what that means...but I will reserve my 15th region line ups for another post.....

clearly I am not stating that every team member should not have a chance to earn a starting position if you read my origional post..I said that there were some younger players and returning players that I felt should have a shot at the line up....but some of us want to turn this into a post to justify one player and not consider alternatives which may work "team Sport"


I didn't say the region, I really don't think you are qualified to put together a little league lineup IMO.

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I didn't say the region, I really don't think you are qualified to put together a little league lineup IMO.

obviously this is personal rather than objective to you but you are entitled to your opinion.:Clap:

[blackwidow]

Hey...I'm not the one making absurd player comparisons and any way the corners will probably be filled with lyons , rice and grimm will rotate from 1b to lf to p if things go the way I predict. but I absolutely am not trying to adjust the line-up for a single player nor am I overrating one players ability to justify a position, but simply rotations that look based on past performances and coaching tendencies to be realistic possibilities...I have no favorites in this race.

I am not saying that grimm should not play 1b but if rice and lyons are in the game and not pitching and they will be, they can only play the corners and grimm being a strong outfielder with a strong arm should be in lf under these circumstances....and appearently lemasters status is in question so I'll take him out of the equation for now but that leaves a kid like brown who can be a valuable player in the field . back up for adams now but should be able to transition to 3rd without much difficulity (same basic skills set as catching)
as to cyrus ,will get playing time...Maybe he has grown and gotten a lot stronger...don't know but they need bats as I mentioned earlier so I would not initially adjust out field line up based on this . did he play any off season ball to improve skills...

Not sure but to me it sounds like you think that Rice and Lyons will be playing not for talent but for being related to the coaching staff?

As for talent comparisons between 3B and catching, I'm not so sure it's that easy or you could just let Ison catch then if that's what you're saying.

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Not sure but to me it sounds like you think that Rice and Lyons will be playing not for talent but for being related to the coaching staff?

As for talent comparisons between 3B and catching, I'm not so sure it's that easy or you could just let Ison catch then if that's what you're saying.

true, I think that ison has caught before and i am not saying anything about relationships simply offering my opinion of lyons and rice and where they might play this year....I hear that lyons has been working hard this year...

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I am not offended and don't see how I came off that way after re reading my post. I just pointed out that you seemed to be putting a line up together with half the line up with very little exp. And say the rest need to prove themselves.

V is a great second baseman and I do look for him to be our regular at that position.
I am not sure he is as strong at the plate as you feel, but is very capable and smart.

Dyllon has proven to be a good back up for Adams and is a good hitter. He has not had much work defensively anywhere but catching at varsity so, befor I would automatically put him into the starting line up, I think he needs to show that there is a position out there that he is ready to claim.

Austin and Seth may get auto bids as everyday players, but I hope it would be because of earned. I would like to think that anyway. But....in all honesty, 1st base is about the only place and I think Grimm is very far ahead of them at that spot. Not saying they can't beat him out.

Travis played how much outfield for Adkins? a few innings?
You say he is not an infielder, then why for the last 2 years has he been the utility infielder?

As far as the outfield goes, Hump, Butcher, Grimm and Cyrus are our best four and there is not a lot of difference between them if you consider all aspects.

Cyrus and Grimm manned LF last year and had about the same speed and glove, Grimm had a stronger arm(but he had the strongest of any)but Cyrus' arm is more accurate. makes them about dead even.

I know Jake will get a chance to become an every day player and with his added size strength and speed from last year, I think he might just. His bat was not strong last year, but he never knew if he was gonna hit or not. But I would put his K's to plate appearances up there with anyone on the team.

I guess what I am saying is that with Grimm at first, Cyrus, Hump and Butcher in the outfield. It looks like a strong defense can be fielded by the Tigers.

One thing though....I would give a few games befor I started using DH. Nothing like destroying a kids confidence by not showing that you even had any in him.

Adams behind the plate, with JD and V gives a very solid middle D, Ison at third.


Yeah....I could live with that D.


very good post i agree with you 100% that should without a doubt be dead with the lineup i dont see how it could be anything else..

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very good post i agree with you 100% that should without a doubt be dead with the lineup i dont see how it could be anything else..

ok what he is saying is not enitrely incorrect imo and as I said players need to prove themelves. LF seems to be the main spot of contention and on this point I disagree stongly....the four outfielders he mentioned are clearly not comparable nor are they as close in skills as indicated and if this is both of your opinions then so be it and we will just have to agree to disagree and I think Ison may be a better utility player if brown or lyons can play 3rd

but I think that coach Howards toughest job this season will be trying to figure out how best to plate runs and replacing the rbi's from last season

[The Guru]

ok what he is saying is not enitrely incorrect imo and as I said players need to prove themelves. LF seems to be the main spot of contention and on this point I disagree stongly....the four outfielders he mentioned are clearly not comparable nor are they as close in skills as indicated and if this is both of your opinions then so be it and we will just have to agree to disagree and I think Ison may be a better utility player if brown or lyons can play 3rd

but I think that coach Howards toughest job this season will be trying to figure out how best to plate runs and replacing the rbi's from last season

OK......I guess you are some kind of self appointed expert on baseball and the kids that play at Paintsville.
So being the expert that you are, you should know that Paintsville is blessed with several kids that are or could be very good outfielders.
But you should also know that none are great outfielders and none are terrible. I can tell you that I do know these kids very well. I will put my thoughts out there. OF only for now.
Shane - decent speed, good glove, strong arm. Would be an asset to anyone's outfield, but who really wants to risk injury(like the one that almost happened last year stepping into a hole) when there could be other options.
Cory- Great speed, great range, good arm. again, an asset to any team.
Patrick- Great speed, decent arm, Have seen this kid make catches that seem impossible, but have also seen some plays that make you scratch your head. Pat is a keeper in my book and would start for just about any team.
Jake-decent speed, decent arm, good glove. Has not and never would hurt any team that he is on. Very consistent.

Like I have said befor, I don't think we have any superstars out there, but none that are bad either. Which one(s) are so far ahead of the rest? Just a question.
And trust me....I am not upset or anything, I just think that there are a lot of positions out there that should be locked down, and I think if we put anything but our very best "Team" out there it could only hurt our chances.
Trust me....I can live with whatever lineup we use, as long as we all know our roles.

[TRUEBALLAHOLLA]

OK......I guess you are some kind of self appointed expert on baseball and the kids that play at Paintsville.
So being the expert that you are, you should know that Paintsville is blessed with several kids that are or could be very good outfielders.
But you should also know that none are great outfielders and none are terrible. I can tell you that I do know these kids very well. I will put my thoughts out there. OF only for now.
Shane - decent speed, good glove, strong arm. Would be an asset to anyone's outfield, but who really wants to risk injury(like the one that almost happened last year stepping into a hole) when there could be other options.
Cory- Great speed, great range, good arm. again, an asset to any team.
Patrick- Great speed, decent arm, Have seen this kid make catches that seem impossible, but have also seen some plays that make you scratch your head. Pat is a keeper in my book and would start for just about any team.
Jake-decent speed, decent arm, good glove. Has not and never would hurt any team that he is on. Very consistent.

Like I have said befor, I don't think we have any superstars out there, but none that are bad either. Which one(s) are so far ahead of the rest? Just a question.
And trust me....I am not upset or anything, I just think that there are a lot of positions out there that should be locked down, and I think if we put anything but our very best "Team" out there it could only hurt our chances.
Trust me....I can live with whatever lineup we use, as long as we all know our roles.
It is gonna be tricky to see what they do with Grimm. You say he was injured last year in the outfield by a hole but also putting him at 1B could be dangerous. For example if a runner steps on him or if he collides with the runner. Also he could take short hops to the face. Truthfully LF might be the safer position of the two because 1B you are involved almost every play. With Humphrey in CF that could reduce the amount of range Grimm will need so he won't have to make diving plays very often. If played right baseball is often a dangerous sport at any position. You can't play worried about getting hurt because that's when you turn up injured. I think PHS will sort out the position battles as the season goes. It is a good thing they have depth because everyone knows how at least someone goes down every year.

[The Guru]

It is gonna be tricky to see what they do with Grimm. You say he was injured last year in the outfield by a hole but also putting him at 1B could be dangerous. For example if a runner steps on him or if he collides with the runner. Also he could take short hops to the face. Truthfully LF might be the safer position of the two because 1B you are involved almost every play. With Humphrey in CF that could reduce the amount of range Grimm will need so he won't have to make diving plays very often. If played right baseball is often a dangerous sport at any position. You can't play worried about getting hurt because that's when you turn up injured. I think PHS will sort out the position battles as the season goes. It is a good thing they have depth because everyone knows how at least someone goes down every year.
LOL, you must not have played in Paintsville's outfield befor.
Truth is, there is danger anywhere. It is just mu opinion that he is our best first baseman. No matter who you play anywhere else. I think Adams is our best catcher but there is not much controversy on here about that.

[The Guru]

ok what he is saying is not enitrely incorrect imo and as I said players need to prove themelves. LF seems to be the main spot of contention and on this point I disagree stongly....the four outfielders he mentioned are clearly not comparable nor are they as close in skills as indicated and if this is both of your opinions then so be it and we will just have to agree to disagree and I think Ison may be a better utility player if brown or lyons can play 3rd

but I think that coach Howards toughest job this season will be trying to figure out how best to plate runs and replacing the rbi's from last season

LMAO, I am so glad to find out that you don't think everything I say is incorrect.:rolleyes:

You have got on here and downed just about everyone's opinion about position players and have even suggested that certain players are gonna play even if there might be a better option, but you have yet to actually clarify if your picks are actually your opinions for best team or if you just think that it is where the staff will put players.

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LMAO, I am so glad to find out that you don't think everything I say is incorrect.:rolleyes:

You have got on here and downed just about everyone's opinion about position players and have even suggested that certain players are gonna play even if there might be a better option, but you have yet to actually clarify if your picks are actually your opinions for best team or if you just think that it is where the staff will put players.

you know i agree, and i also agree about the infield situation...ison and vanhoose are crucial to that side of the infield, especially in the 15th region there are so many time a ball hit to the left side gets beat out because of inexperienced players at those positions and i think grimm has to be at first base, you loose so many outs during the course of a game based on your first baseman that he just simply has the most experience and skill to play there regardless of how good he is in the outfield, first base is a key position....humphrey is going to cover alot of ground in centerfield(maybe the fastest centerfielder in the region)to where your right and left fielders will have plenty of help tracking balls in the gaps...i just think like you do that some positions have to be locked going into the season...

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LMAO, I am so glad to find out that you don't think everything I say is incorrect.:rolleyes:

You have got on here and downed just about everyone's opinion about position players and have even suggested that certain players are gonna play even if there might be a better option, but you have yet to actually clarify if your picks are actually your opinions for best team or if you just think that it is where the staff will put players.

first off I'm stating my opinion, not downing everyone elses I just don't agree completely with yours and some of your player comparisons and I still don't see how you get that Ison is strong at 3rd but I think I know why you don't like him in the outfield!!!!

also I don't know what any coach might do, simply offering as I stated in previous posts my opinions! But since you are pushing for clarification I do think that the corner spots will be rotated by the coaching staff, also as I stated depending on who is pitching and I was actually suggesting that certian players would probably play even if there were other options not necessarily better ones.

[The Guru]

first off I'm stating my opinion, not downing everyone elses I just don't agree completely with yours and some of your player comparisons and I still don't see how you get that Ison is strong at 3rd but I think I know why you don't like him in the outfield!!!!

also I don't know what any coach might do, simply offering as I stated in previous posts my opinions! But since you are pushing for clarification I do think that the corner spots will be rotated by the coaching staff, also as I stated depending on who is pitching and I was actually suggesting that certian players would probably play even if there were other options not necessarily better ones.

Where did I say he was strong at third? I said he played utility infield for us the last 2 years.

Why are you suggesting that I don't like Ison in the outfield?

I am not upset, can't understand why I can't have my own opinions without being called absurd.

Kinda obvious that positions would be rotated depending on who is pitching isn't it?

Do you think they will be getting Adams out from behind the plate more this year so he could rest his legs more?
You and I have both agreed befor that we think he is a very good outfielder as well.
That's always another option.

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Where did I say he was strong at third? I said he played utility infield for us the last 2 years.

Why are you suggesting that I don't like Ison in the outfield?

I am not upset, can't understand why I can't have my own opinions without being called absurd.

Kinda obvious that positions would be rotated depending on who is pitching isn't it?

Do you think they will be getting Adams out from behind the plate more this year so he could rest his legs more?
You and I have both agreed befor that we think he is a very good outfielder as well.
That's always another option.

because you only listed four players for those pos..imo grimm with a much stronger arm than any other and humphrey has much better glove/speed combo than any other butcher seems to have speed...cyrus seems to have good glove...but I can't compare 1st two to the last two..maybe I don't know all the facts......

more than 1 postion imo will rotate based on pitching....and therein lies the conflict.

don't know about adams , might come out from behind the plate...

I don't recall indicating to you on any other thread the possibility of adams in the of....but Imo could play there with brown or ison behind the plate...

what I think will happen imo will be based largely on who primarily fills the corners and I think that it will be rice and lyons

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because you only listed four players for those pos..imo grimm with a much stronger arm than any other and humphrey has much better glove/speed combo than any other butcher seems to have speed...cyrus seems to have good glove...but I can't compare 1st two to the last two..maybe I don't know all the facts......

more than 1 postion imo will rotate based on pitching....and therein lies the conflict.

don't know about adams , might come out from behind the plate...

I don't recall indicating to you on any other thread the possibility of adams in the of....but Imo could play there with brown or ison behind the plate...

what I think will happen imo will be based largely on who primarily fills the corners and I think that it will be rice and lyons



i still strongly believe that when grimm isn't pitching he will be at first base...that is such a vital position that his experience will be drastically needed over there, and ison i still think needs to be on third, but like guru said he has been a utility infielder and can really play 2nd or 3rd....grimm does have an arm but you have to give up one or the other...a good arm in the outfield with less experience at 1st or more experience at 1st with a weaker arm in the outfield, and i think i would rather have him on first base...there are some really good outfielders that will be anchored by humphrey in center who can cover alot of ground...i think the outfield will be just fine with grimm on first base

not too mention you will be saving grimm's arm a little by keeping him at first, and we need his arm to make it deep in the post season...wearing it out will be a bad mistake...

[The Guru]

because you only listed four players for those pos..imo grimm with a much stronger arm than any other and humphrey has much better glove/speed combo than any other butcher seems to have speed...cyrus seems to have good glove...but I can't compare 1st two to the last two..maybe I don't know all the facts......

more than 1 postion imo will rotate based on pitching....and therein lies the conflict.

don't know about adams , might come out from behind the plate...

I don't recall indicating to you on any other thread the possibility of adams in the of....but Imo could play there with brown or ison behind the plate...

what I think will happen imo will be based largely on who primarily fills the corners and I think that it will be rice and lyons
I didn't say we had talked about it on any thread.;)

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i still strongly believe that when grimm isn't pitching he will be at first base...that is such a vital position that his experience will be drastically needed over there, and ison i still think needs to be on third, but like guru said he has been a utility infielder and can really play 2nd or 3rd....grimm does have an arm but you have to give up one or the other...a good arm in the outfield with less experience at 1st or more experience at 1st with a weaker arm in the outfield, and i think i would rather have him on first base...there are some really good outfielders that will be anchored by humphrey in center who can cover alot of ground...i think the outfield will be just fine with grimm on first base

not too mention you will be saving grimm's arm a little by keeping him at first, and we need his arm to make it deep in the post season...wearing it out will be a bad mistake...

yeah, what you are saying makes sense to me ,,,, I think Grimm should play first... that puts cyrus in left or maybe Ison or brown but I don't think that it will happen that way very often I did not say that I would play Rice or Lyons at 1b over grimm i simply said that I think they will be in the line up and that is where they will play....my line up is a combo of my opinion and what I think will happen...Lyons and Rice will get a lot of starts this year.....Where would you play them when not pitching????

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I didn't say we had talked about it on any thread.;)

Then to my knowledge I havn't discussed this or any line up opinions with anyone.....

[The Guru]

Then to my knowledge I havn't discussed this or any line up opinions with anyone.....
Maybe not, but we have talked about Corey Adams.
It's no biggie.

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Maybe not, but we have talked about Corey Adams.
It's no biggie.

Don't think so...but imo probably could play outfield....

[The Guru]

Don't think so...but imo probably could play outfield....
OK.........:popcorn:

[jchs10]

i think grimm will have a lil something coming at him after the trick he pulled

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yeah, what you are saying makes sense to me ,,,, I think Grimm should play first... that puts cyrus in left or maybe Ison or brown but I don't think that it will happen that way very often I did not say that I would play Rice or Lyons at 1b over grimm i simply said that I think they will be in the line up and that is where they will play....my line up is a combo of my opinion and what I think will happen...Lyons and Rice will get a lot of starts this year.....Where would you play them when not pitching????

i would say they would get somewhat alternating starts when grimm is pitching...but really im not that familiar with rice....i know lyons and what he can do, but how is he compared to rice? hitting wise...

[blackwidow]

yeah, what you are saying makes sense to me ,,,, I think Grimm should play first... that puts cyrus in left or maybe Ison or brown but I don't think that it will happen that way very often I did not say that I would play Rice or Lyons at 1b over grimm i simply said that I think they will be in the line up and that is where they will play....my line up is a combo of my opinion and what I think will happen...Lyons and Rice will get a lot of starts this year.....Where would you play them when not pitching????

Man you are really hung up on the Rice and Lyons kids aren't you? You really just need to come out and say what you're thinking...that they're gonna play because of their last names right?

in my humble, know little or nothing, opinion I think you rotate Rice and Lyons on 1st when Shane's on the mound, you can also rotate Rice, Lyons, or Brown at 3rd if need be, but I expect Lyons and Rice to be in the pitching rotation. So in essence they're in the playing rotation just not a designated spot game in and game out.

I think everyone on the Tiger team knows their roles in what they need to do to get this team to the regional and beyond this spring. I just think the adults need to realize that too and stop trying to create something before the season even starts.

These guys just want to win, plain and simple, and I think whatever is needed to get those wins is what you'll see the guys and the coaches doing.

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Man you are really hung up on the Rice and Lyons kids aren't you? You really just need to come out and say what you're thinking...that they're gonna play because of their last names right?

in my humble, know little or nothing, opinion I think you rotate Rice and Lyons on 1st when Shane's on the mound, you can also rotate Rice, Lyons, or Brown at 3rd if need be, but I expect Lyons and Rice to be in the pitching rotation. So in essence they're in the playing rotation just not a designated spot game in and game out.

I think everyone on the Tiger team knows their roles in what they need to do to get this team to the regional and beyond this spring. I just think the adults need to realize that too and stop trying to create something before the season even starts.

These guys just want to win, plain and simple, and I think whatever is needed to get those wins is what you'll see the guys and the coaches doing.



totally agree

[The Guru]

i think grimm will have a lil something coming at him after the trick he pulled
This was about a waste of a first post. LOL

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This was about a waste of a first post. LOL

yea thats pretty pathetic, what exactly is he referring too, i have an idea, but not sure..

[BlueStripes]

because you only listed four players for those pos..imo grimm with a much stronger arm than any other and humphrey has much better glove/speed combo than any other butcher seems to have speed...cyrus seems to have good glove...but I can't compare 1st two to the last two..maybe I don't know all the facts......

more than 1 postion imo will rotate based on pitching....and therein lies the conflict.

don't know about adams , might come out from behind the plate...

I don't recall indicating to you on any other thread the possibility of adams in the of....but Imo could play there with brown or ison behind the plate...

what I think will happen imo will be based largely on who primarily fills the corners and I think that it will be rice and lyons

So your saying butcher is fast but has a sucky glove? And your also saying that cyrus has a good glove but sucky speed? if that the case you can put any one in there, cause there is alot of slow fat guys with good gloves, and alot of fast guys that cant catch.

[BlueStripes]

So your saying butcher is fast but has a sucky glove? And your also saying that cyrus has a good glove but sucky speed? if that the case you can put any one in there, cause there is alot of slow fat guys with good gloves, and alot of fast guys that cant catch.

Sorry if that looked bad, i ment any one in general. i didnt mean there is alot of them just on Paintsville team, i ment like in all of baseball lol im sorry.

[Redneck]

i think grimm will have a lil something coming at him after the trick he pulled

What are you talkin bout.

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What are you talkin bout.

i really do wish somebody would clarify what he's talking about because im really not sure....

[Redneck]

As for Grimm's position in the field when he's not pitchin, 1st base is where he SHOULD play, no question about it. Last year his season almost came to an end when he stepped into a hole in the outfield and dang near blew his knee out. Grimm is the ace and has many colleges lookin at him. Why risk him gettin injured divin, slidin, runnin into a wall, climbin a wall or steppin in a hole. I think Jake Cyrus in LF, Humphrey in CF and Pat Butcher in RF is a **** of an outfield and that's who it should be out there every game. NOW, who plays 1st when Grimm is pitchin, LYONS...

I'm just gonna make a line-up of what I think it should be. THIS IS NOT THE BATTIN ORDER...

C - Corey Adams
1st - Austin Lyons (when Grimm is pitchin) Grimm when he's not pitchin
2nd - Viapondo
3rd - Travis Ison
SS - JD VanHoose (gonna have to get a lil quicker though, he's lost a few steps)
LF - Jake Cyrus
CF - Corey Humphrey
RF - Pat Butcher

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As for Grimm's position in the field when he's not pitchin, 1st base is where he SHOULD play, no question about it. Last year his season almost came to an end when he stepped into a hole in the outfield and dang near blew his knee out. Grimm is the ace and has many colleges lookin at him. Why risk him gettin injured divin, slidin, runnin into a wall, climbin a wall or steppin in a hole. I think Jake Cyrus in LF, Humphrey in CF and Pat Butcher in RF is a **** of an outfield and that's who it should be out there every game. NOW, who plays 1st when Grimm is pitchin, LYONS...

I'm just gonna make a line-up of what I think it should be. THIS IS NOT THE BATTIN ORDER...

C - Corey Adams
1st - Austin Lyons (when Grimm is pitchin) Grimm when he's not pitchin
2nd - Viapondo
3rd - Travis Ison
SS - JD VanHoose (gonna have to get a lil quicker though, he's lost a few steps)
LF - Jake Cyrus
CF - Corey Humphrey
RF - Pat Butcher


i agree completely with this, but lets make a lineup too...

1. humphrey-cf
2. adams-c
3. vanhoose-ss
4. grimm-p
5. ison-3rd base
6. butcher-rf
7. lyons-first base
8. cyrus-LF
9. viapondo

could possibly through in a dh somewhere but out of those 9 thats what i think..

[Redneck]

i agree completely with this, but lets make a lineup too...

1. humphrey-cf
2. adams-c
3. vanhoose-ss
4. grimm-p
5. ison-3rd base
6. butcher-rf
7. lyons-first base
8. cyrus-LF
9. viapondo

could possibly through in a dh somewhere but out of those 9 thats what i think..

I just wasn't sure about a battin order. Corey Adams was a great leadoff man last year so I think you gotta leave him there. Humphrey with his speed can bunt him over to second and beat out a throw to first. Grimmy as solid as a hitter he is probably would be third and J.D. fourth. That's just my opinion.

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I just wasn't sure about a battin order. Corey Adams was a great leadoff man last year so I think you gotta leave him there. Humphrey with his speed can bunt him over to second and beat out a throw to first. Grimmy as solid as a hitter he is probably would be third and J.D. fourth. That's just my opinion.

yea i agree the 1 &2 and the 3&4 for this team could be flipped flopped, i think adams and humphrey both would be great lead off hitters and it just depends on which one is going to be more consistent..vanhoose, or grimm..but regardless they have to hit back to back at the 3 and 4 spots...

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So your saying butcher is fast but has a sucky glove? And your also saying that cyrus has a good glove but sucky speed? if that the case you can put any one in there, cause there is alot of slow fat guys with good gloves, and alot of fast guys that cant catch.

that is not exactly being implied, but read into it what you may!!!!!!