Barack Obama

[Old School]

I ran across this site and thought that some may find it interesting, while not much is known about Obama and I don't know how accruate this site is, but I think it's worth taking a look see.

http://obamatruth.org/

[PC_You_Know]

I'm a Republican, but I want to know, if it's all such a big deal, why wasn't all this brought up when he was just a Senator? Because it's made up, a bunch of mumbo jumbo, you can't read any magazine with any presidential thing in it around election time because people in the mags. only write what will sell, and of course people saying Obama is trying to take down our country is what people want to read.

[PikevilleGuy82]

I would be very careful accepting anything on that site at face value. Obviously whomever runs and operates that site has a clear agenda. So you have to consider the bias.

The truth is you can distort almost anything into a negative and there are people with very strong negative views on all of the candidates -on both sides Right and Left.

[15thRegionCrazy]

The new buzz about Obama...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23337141/

[Old School]

I would be very careful accepting anything on that site at face value. Obviously whomever runs and operates that site has a clear agenda. So you have to consider the bias.

The truth is you can distort almost anything into a negative and there are people with very strong negative views on all of the candidates -on both sides Right and Left.

No doubt that the site is clearly against Obama, but how much truth are in the stories....some, none or are they mostly true, or should it even be considered at all?

[Redneck]

I'm not voting for Obama or Hillary, but I will say this. All this crap Hillary is trying to pull to make Obama look bad is getting ridiculous and makes her look worse than him.

[TidesHoss32]

Hillary's a desperate broad, thats why she's doing that. She knows shes getting her *** kicked, and now shes slinging mud as far as she can sling it. ****, I despise Obama, and in no way am I taking up for him (**** hasnt frozen over yet), but hopefully Hillary will learn her lesson and never run again. And hopefully McCain will teach this punk a lesson and whip his *** in November, and he wont run again either.

[Coach_Owens87]

Hillary's a desperate broad, thats why she's doing that. She knows shes getting her *** kicked, and now shes slinging mud as far as she can sling it. ****, I despise Obama, and in no way am I taking up for him (**** hasnt frozen over yet), but hopefully Hillary will learn her lesson and never run again. And hopefully McCain will teach this punk a lesson and whip his *** in November, and he wont run again either.

I hope McCain's *** kicking stops with Huckabee, I don't want another 4 years of the same BS.

[Coach_Owens87]

To reply to the topic on the thread, Im with pikevilleguy82, this site has a clear agenda, and I dont think you can take anything posted on that seriously.

[HOGWOLLOP]

Hillary's a desperate broad, thats why she's doing that. She knows shes getting her *** kicked, and now shes slinging mud as far as she can sling it. ****, I despise Obama, and in no way am I taking up for him (**** hasnt frozen over yet), but hopefully Hillary will learn her lesson and never run again. And hopefully McCain will teach this punk a lesson and whip his *** in November, and he wont run again either.

Do you despise Obama the man, who I seriously doubt you know... or his policy positions? By "punk" I guess you mean young and inexperienced... well, incumbents always win, gain experience, then get us where we are now.

[TidesHoss32]

I despise anybody with the record he has on voting for gun rights alone (or lack thereof)..so no, I dont personally KNOW Barack Obama, but it wouldnt matter. I dont buy his bull**** "vote for change!", which he hasnt given two sentences for what "change!" he's trying to make. But I researched his gun record, and that alone, among the other crap Ive heard, and seen pictures of (turning his back to the flag, not saying the pledge, taking his oath on the Qu'ran when he's supposed to be a Christian, etc), makes me not like Barack Obama. You go ahead and believe his garbage, but I dont, and will gladly cast my vote for John McCain.Do you despise Obama the man, who I seriously doubt you know... or his policy positions? By "punk" I guess you mean young and inexperienced... well, incumbents always win, gain experience, then get us where we are now.

[Coach_Owens87]

I despise anybody with the record he has on voting for gun rights alone (or lack thereof)..so no, I dont personally KNOW Barack Obama, but it wouldnt matter. I dont buy his bull**** "vote for change!", which he hasnt given two sentences for what "change!" he's trying to make. But I researched his gun record, and that alone, among the other crap Ive heard, and seen pictures of (turning his back to the flag, not saying the pledge, taking his oath on the Qu'ran when he's supposed to be a Christian, etc), makes me not like Barack Obama. You go ahead and believe his garbage, but I dont, and will gladly cast my vote for John McCain.

Obama never took his oath on the Qu'ran, I dont know where you got that from. As for the pledge issue, he didnt put his hand over his heart during the pledge which lead conservatives on a massive smear campaign. As far as gun rights, he got a 100% rating from the gun owners of America in 2006, from 2004 - 2006 he only voted on 3 issues regarding guns. He voted yes to prohibit the government from confiscating legal firearms, no to protecting gun manufacturers from liability of injuries caused by their products, and voted yes to require manufactures the import guns to have a child lock.
So I think that shouldn't be an issue for gun owners.

It seems you just buy into the BS fed to you from the conservative smear machines and don't actually look into issues from the candidates.

[Coach_Owens87]

McCains voting record on Gun issues is almost identical to Obama's so I don't see why your complaining.

Links to candidates voting records

John McCain

http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=53270

Hillary Clinton

http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=55463


Barack Obama

http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=9490

[TidesHoss32]

Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic "assault weapons" and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month.

He also opposed letting people use a self-defense argument if charged with violating local handgun bans by using weapons in their homes. The bill was a reaction to a Chicago-area man who, after shooting an intruder, was charged with a handgun violation.

Supporters framed the issue as a fundamental question of whether homeowners have the right to protect themselves.

Obama joined several Chicago Democrats who argued the measure could open loopholes letting gun owners use their weapons on the street. They said local governments should have the final say, but the self-defense exception passed 41-16 and ultimately became state law.

"It's bad politics to be on the wrong side of the Second Amendment come election time," said Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association. "It will certainly be talked about. You can take that to the bank."

On the other hand, Obama parted company with gun control advocates when he backed a measure to let retired police officers and military police carry concealed weapons.

Obama occasionally supported higher taxes, joining other Democrats in pushing to raise more than 300 taxes and fees on businesses in 2004 to help solve a budget deficit. The increases passed the Senate 30-28.
Here's the link; And no, its not from Fox :D
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/17/politics/main2369157.shtml


Read the whole thing. You can call it "smear tactics", whatever you want, but your a typical new age democrat. And you would eat **** from the hands they put in front of your face. And it is widely RUMORED, that he took his oath on a qu'ran. I never said it to be fact. And another thing, I never said I liked McCain. This is truly an election to where you dont pick the best candidate, you pick the least worst. I was a Fred Thompson man, but he was the only, and I repeat, the ONLY candidate I LIKED. I dont like McCain, but I'd rather have him in there than somebody who stands shoulder to shoulder with such garbage as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. Obama never took his oath on the Qu'ran, I dont know where you got that from. As for the pledge issue, he didnt put his hand over his heart during the pledge which lead conservatives on a massive smear campaign. As far as gun rights, he got a 100% rating from the gun owners of America in 2006, from 2004 - 2006 he only voted on 3 issues regarding guns. He voted yes to prohibit the government from confiscating legal firearms, no to protecting gun manufacturers from liability of injuries caused by their products, and voted yes to require manufactures the import guns to have a child lock.
So I think that shouldn't be an issue for gun owners.

It seems you just buy into the BS fed to you from the conservative smear machines and don't actually look into issues from the candidates.

[TidesHoss32]

As far as Barack and Hillary goes, here's some reading entertainment for you as well..
http://www.nraila.org//Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?ID=274Obama never took his oath on the Qu'ran, I dont know where you got that from. As for the pledge issue, he didnt put his hand over his heart during the pledge which lead conservatives on a massive smear campaign. As far as gun rights, he got a 100% rating from the gun owners of America in 2006, from 2004 - 2006 he only voted on 3 issues regarding guns. He voted yes to prohibit the government from confiscating legal firearms, no to protecting gun manufacturers from liability of injuries caused by their products, and voted yes to require manufactures the import guns to have a child lock.
So I think that shouldn't be an issue for gun owners.

It seems you just buy into the BS fed to you from the conservative smear machines and don't actually look into issues from the candidates.

[PikevilleGuy82]

There are a lot of rumors about Obama that aren't true. All those chain letters/emails about him being Muslim and all that have been debunked over and over again.

Personally I like Obama. I do like Clinton as well, but feel I couldn't vote for her in the primary because of her vote for the war.

Yes she changed her mind but she did go along with Congress to vote to authorize the war.

However if it came down to it I would vote for her over McCain.

[Old School]

More interesting reading about Obama.


In a January 21st Article in the Jerusalem Post, Caroline Glick claims the following:
- George Soros [billionaire Obama supporter] 'has devoted himself to replacing politicians who support fighting the forces of global terror and supporting Israel with politicians who support appeasing jihadists and dumping Israel.'

- Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr., Obama's church leader and spiritual advisor, 'has called for divestment from Israel and refers to Israel as a "racist" state.'

- Obama supports Kenya's opposition leader Odinga who 'referred to Islam as the "one true religion" and scorned Christians as "worshipers of the cross." '

- 'In forming these views, he is assisted by his foreign policy team which includes Zbigniew Brzezinski, Mark Brzezinski, Anthony Lake, Susan Rice and Robert Malley. All of these people are known either for their anti-Israel views or their pro-Arab views - or both.'


http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/Israel/CGjGQ#extended

[Coach_Owens87]

Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic "assault weapons" and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month.

He also opposed letting people use a self-defense argument if charged with violating local handgun bans by using weapons in their homes. The bill was a reaction to a Chicago-area man who, after shooting an intruder, was charged with a handgun violation.

Supporters framed the issue as a fundamental question of whether homeowners have the right to protect themselves.


Obama joined several Chicago Democrats who argued the measure could open loopholes letting gun owners use their weapons on the street. They said local governments should have the final say, but the self-defense exception passed 41-16 and ultimately became state law.

"It's bad politics to be on the wrong side of the Second Amendment come election time," said Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association. "It will certainly be talked about. You can take that to the bank."

On the other hand, Obama parted company with gun control advocates when he backed a measure to let retired police officers and military police carry concealed weapons.

Obama occasionally supported higher taxes, joining other Democrats in pushing to raise more than 300 taxes and fees on businesses in 2004 to help solve a budget deficit. The increases passed the Senate 30-28.
Here's the link; And no, its not from Fox :D
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/01/17/politics/main2369157.shtml


Read the whole thing. You can call it "smear tactics", whatever you want, but your a typical new age democrat. And you would eat **** from the hands they put in front of your face. And it is widely RUMORED, that he took his oath on a qu'ran. I never said it to be fact. And another thing, I never said I liked McCain. This is truly an election to where you dont pick the best candidate, you pick the least worst. I was a Fred Thompson man, but he was the only, and I repeat, the ONLY candidate I LIKED. I dont like McCain, but I'd rather have him in there than somebody who stands shoulder to shoulder with such garbage as Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Pretty good article, offers positives and negatives on Obama.

OBama is widely known as just being moderate on Gun Control issues, I believe the NRA gave him an F grading, and McCain got a C, so it seems both leading candidates aren't overly friendly to gun owners. Ron Paul got a B grading, but we dont see gun owners running out in droves to vote for him. Obama has got a very limited voting record, and I think that reflects his bad rating from the NRA. But the NRA gives everyone that doesn't vote exactly how the like a bad rating.

IMO The first issue of banning semi-automatic weapons and limiting gun purchases to one a month wouldn't really affect most gun owners. Trying to keep semi-automatic weapons off the streets of Chicago could possibly lead to less crime, so I could see why he would vote that way.

I dont fully understand the self defense issue, and I don't know what bans they would be violating, so I'll have to look that up before I respond to it.

Lets not forget that during his term as a state senator he was under a republican controlled senate, so things passed during that time where do to republicans, and not a crazy, gun hating liberal. And from reading the article it seems people respected him.

Here is a couple quotes from the article:

"He was looked upon by members of both parties as someone whose view we listened carefully to," said Republican state Sen. Kirk Dillard from Hinsdale, Ill.

"He always wants to understand an issue and think it through," said Roberta Lynch, deputy director for Council 31 of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees. "You have to make your case no matter who you are."

Even when he was in the political minority, Obama sometimes played a critical role. He helped write one of the rare ethics laws in a state known for government corruption and worked on welfare reform with Republicans.

I think it would be great to have someone who is known to cross party lines. So far Obama has really done very little that could be used negatively against him, so people are digging deep and resorting to smear tactics to make him look bad.


A lot of things are RUMORED, but all of these rumors on Obama have been debunked time and time again, and you would know that if you looked those issues up.

Regarding your comments to me, I really don't care what you think of my personal views, as we disagree on everything. Ive stated before and I will state it again, I don't listen to any political pundit, or take things face value from any candidate or party, I do my own research and have formed my views from that, if you don't like those views, then fine, thats your opinion.

Ive always been told to believe half of what you see, and none of what you hear.


Here is a pretty good article, with quotes from Obama, It gives you a looks at the issues of banning semi-automatic weapons, keeping guns out of the inner city, and other gun related issues.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm


To be fair, here is the same site with quotes from McCain.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/John_McCain_Gun_Control.htm

[TidesHoss32]

Obama a moderate for gun rights? lol...that would be like me saying you are a moderate on strip mining...

[HOGWOLLOP]

I despise anybody with the record he has on voting for gun rights alone (or lack thereof)..so no, I dont personally KNOW Barack Obama, but it wouldnt matter. I dont buy his bull**** "vote for change!", which he hasnt given two sentences for what "change!" he's trying to make. But I researched his gun record, and that alone, among the other crap Ive heard, and seen pictures of (turning his back to the flag, not saying the pledge, taking his oath on the Qu'ran when he's supposed to be a Christian, etc), makes me not like Barack Obama. You go ahead and believe his garbage, but I dont, and will gladly cast my vote for John McCain.

Your use of the word "garbage" shows you a reasoned and fair minded man.

[thecavemaster]

Bill Cunningham: "Barack Hussein Obama"... "Barrack Hussein Obama"
then wonders why McCain "regretted" the rhetoric and "threw me under the bus." Whatever happened to civil discourse in political debate? Why can we not differentiate between the politiician the person and the policies of the politician? Because "I despise him/her" sells papers, makes radio shows popular, cranks up ratings for CNN and Fox News... because the American public is easily manipulated, prone to falling in the well of propoganda.

[Coach_Owens87]

Obama a moderate for gun rights? lol...that would be like me saying you are a moderate on strip mining...

I'm just repeating what I've read. He hasn't voted on a lot of issues, so I think moderate would be a good term. But again, thats just my opinion.

[Coach_Owens87]

No doubt that the site is clearly against Obama, but how much truth are in the stories....some, none or are they mostly true, or should it even be considered at all?

The site seems to be very quickly and poorly put together. It just offers small parts of much bigger stories to shine a negative light on Obama. All it offers are links to articles and reports about Obama, without really giving an opinion from the operator of the site. Although there may be truth in some of these stories, I wouldn't really take anything seriously from this site.

[#1ukfan]

This is only one of the MANY despriate attempts by Camp Clinton to lie to the voters of America.

[Redneck]

This is only one of the MANY despriate attempts by Camp Clinton to lie to the voters of America.

She's just makin herself look dumb and pathetic..

[Old School]

The site seems to be very quickly and poorly put together. It just offers small parts of much bigger stories to shine a negative light on Obama. All it offers are links to articles and reports about Obama, without really giving an opinion from the operator of the site. Although there may be truth in some of these stories, I wouldn't really take anything seriously from this site.

There is an limited amout of information about Obama out there, Like I said, I don't know how true these stories are, but it's better than nothing.

[Coach_Owens87]

There is an limited amout of information about Obama out there, Like I said, I don't know how true these stories are, but it's better than nothing.

I don't know, I really don't like site's like this no matter what candidate their about. There nothing more than one sided, cheap political jabs.

[rosebud]

There are a lot of rumors about Obama that aren't true. All those chain letters/emails about him being Muslim and all that have been debunked over and over again.

Personally I like Obama. I do like Clinton as well, but feel I couldn't vote for her in the primary because of her vote for the war.

Yes she changed her mind but she did go along with Congress to vote to authorize the war.

However if it came down to it I would vote for her over McCain.

If Obama isn't muslim, then why did his parents give him a muslim name??????

[PikevilleGuy82]

If Obama isn't muslim, then why did his parents give him a muslim name??????

Are you serious???

He is named after his father based on what i've read.

[rosebud]

Are you serious???

He is named after his father based on what i've read.Isn't his father muslim??

[15thRegionCrazy]

Republican Congressman King: Terrorists Will "Dance In the Streets" With Obama Victory...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/republican-cong.html

[launchpad4]

Sites like this are what is wrong with mass media in America. I am a huge repub, but I really wouldn't read too much into sites like this. As far as him being a Muslim goes I can only believe him and his pastor for the past 20 years that he is not a Muslim.

[Old School]

Obama said this during an ABC News interview

"I understand MSNBC has suspended Mr. Imus," Obama told ABC News, "but I would also say that there's nobody on my staff who would still be working for me if they made a comment like that about anybody of any ethnic group. And I would hope that NBC ends up having that same attitude."


http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/18/before-wright-firestorm-obama-called-for-imus-firing/

[15thRegionCrazy]

It's hard to believe that Wright was Obama's pastor for 20 years and he never heard him say anything out of line.

[PLAYBOY5]

Everyone in Obama'a party are nothing but a bunch of Al Sharpton's! I can't stand Obama, Clinton or actually anyone running but McCain will get my vote as I stay true to the Republican Party!

[thecavemaster]

Everyone in Obama'a party are nothing but a bunch of Al Sharpton's! I can't stand Obama, Clinton or actually anyone running but McCain will get my vote as I stay true to the Republican Party!

Falwell and Robertson blamed liberals and gays for the 9/11 attacks as "god's punishment." ...double standard... You paint with a broad brush... but your artistry bleeds like a watercolor in the rain...

[PLAYBOY5]

Falwell and Robertson blamed liberals and gays for the 9/11 attacks as "god's punishment." ...double standard... You paint with a broad brush... but your artistry bleeds like a watercolor in the rain...
And after reading that quote, LMAO...YOU HAVE DEF. MADE IT EASIER FOR ANY MAN WITH A SET OF MARBLES TO VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN:lmao: . And I return a bit of poetry for you..Man who fishes in deep water, catch large trout.:Thumbs:

[TidesHoss32]

:Clap: :) And after reading that quote, LMAO...YOU HAVE DEF. MADE IT EASIER FOR ANY MAN WITH A SET OF MARBLES TO VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN:lmao: . And I return a bit of poetry for you..Man who fishes in deep water, catch large trout.:Thumbs:

[RavenBoy]

I just wonder what would happen if that was a White Preacher saying that stuff?

[thecavemaster]

And after reading that quote, LMAO...YOU HAVE DEF. MADE IT EASIER FOR ANY MAN WITH A SET OF MARBLES TO VOTE FOR A REPUBLICAN:lmao: . And I return a bit of poetry for you..Man who fishes in deep water, catch large trout.:Thumbs:

Are you imitating American television's portrayal of the speech of native Americans... or do you simply struggle with your native tongue? White preachers did and still do say incendiary things... ever read "Letter from Birmingham Jail?" Probably not. Ever read anything?

[PLAYBOY5]

Are you imitating American television's portrayal of the speech of native Americans... or do you simply struggle with your native tongue? White preachers did and still do say incendiary things... ever read "Letter from Birmingham Jail?" Probably not. Ever read anything?
Well for one braniac, you quoted me and I wasn't even the one who said anything about a white preacher;) . No I usually read things about how murderers and people who rape and kill innocent victims SHOULD get the death penalty probably from the same person who wrote that " Letter from Birmingham Jail".

[thecavemaster]

Well for one braniac, you quoted me and I wasn't even the one who said anything about a white preacher;) . No I usually read things about how murderers and people who rape and kill innocent victims SHOULD get the death penalty probably from the same person who wrote that " Letter from Birmingham Jail".

Martin Luther King Jr. wrote "Letter From Birmingham Jail." "Brainiac" for braniac, which is a name for someone, I guess, who eats a high fiber diet? Preachers, whether white or black, often say controversial things, often patently ridiculous things. Bottom line: most everyone who attends one church or the other occasionally hears a minister say something or other they don't agree with. Barack Obama is an American, a believer in democracy; now, one may not agree with his policies, but to question his commitment to freedom and democratic ideals based on another man's statements? Come on...

[PLAYBOY5]

Martin Luther King Jr. wrote "Letter From Birmingham Jail." "Brainiac" for braniac, which is a name for someone, I guess, who eats a high fiber diet? Preachers, whether white or black, often say controversial things, often patently ridiculous things. Bottom line: most everyone who attends one church or the other occasionally hears a minister say something or other they don't agree with. Barack Obama is an American, a believer in democracy; now, one may not agree with his policies, but to question his commitment to freedom and democratic ideals based on another man's statements? Come on...
All I needed to read once again about your letter from a Jail in Birmingham thingy trying to prove some point that I could care less about...But hey..GOOD LUCK on that! Vote for him, campaign for him..but guess what..My vote is going to cancel your vote no matter what you say about the circus for candidates that the Democratic Party has running this year. BTW, way to point out Brainiac..you got me on that one:Clap: :rolleyes:

[RavenBoy]

Are you imitating American television's portrayal of the speech of native Americans... or do you simply struggle with your native tongue? White preachers did and still do say incendiary things... ever read "Letter from Birmingham Jail?" Probably not. Ever read anything?Yea ok :rolleyes:

[RavenBoy]

Martin Luther King Jr.
When did MLK Jr. Die?

[thecavemaster]

All I needed to read once again about your letter from a Jail in Birmingham thingy trying to prove some point that I could care less about...But hey..GOOD LUCK on that! Vote for him, campaign for him..but guess what..My vote is going to cancel your vote no matter what you say about the circus for candidates that the Democratic Party has running this year. BTW, way to point out Brainiac..you got me on that one:Clap: :rolleyes:

You could care less about civil rights, justice? ... maybe you're the one who doesn't have a clue what it means to love America. I'm not talking about, of course, who to vote for; I'm simply saying that basing a vote on what someone's pastor said, or what Bill Cunningham said at McCain's rally in Ohio... if one votes based on this stuff, one's vote should count 1/10, while other more reasoned voters should count 1...

[thecavemaster]

When did MLK Jr. Die?

Lorraine Motel...Memphis, Tennessee... 1968 I believe.

[belfry forever]

My daughter and I went to Charleston WV last Thursday to see/listen to Barack Obama. I am very impressed with his thoughts/plans for America. I have never been interested in politics until this Presidential campaign.

Did anyone listen to the speech he gave last week on his Pastor and racism?

[#1ukfan]

Hillary is very desprate and is risking her own party's taking the White House for her own political gain.

[JackRabbitSlim]

In my own personal opinion I think if Ralph Nader gets on most of the ballots that it is going to swing the vote. He can easily take 13% of the vote, and that will be votes that the Democrats could have got. Most Democrats are more likely to vote Independent than republicans. Therefore, whether everyone likes it or not we may end up with another Republican, and to be honest he's not a true Republican so it shouldn't be too bad. I think I would vote for him before I would the two Democrats.

[JackRabbitSlim]

What are the latest polls?

[thecavemaster]

In my own personal opinion I think if Ralph Nader gets on most of the ballots that it is going to swing the vote. He can easily take 13% of the vote, and that will be votes that the Democrats could have got. Most Democrats are more likely to vote Independent than republicans. Therefore, whether everyone likes it or not we may end up with another Republican, and to be honest he's not a true Republican so it shouldn't be too bad. I think I would vote for him before I would the two Democrats.

Nader first time: 7%
Nader second time: 3%.... I think these numbers are fairly accurate
Nader this time: <1%

Nader's effect cost Gore dearly; Kerry marginally; Nader will not be a determining factor in '08.

[DevilsWin]

In my own personal opinion I think if Ralph Nader gets on most of the ballots that it is going to swing the vote. He can easily take 13% of the vote, and that will be votes that the Democrats could have got. Most Democrats are more likely to vote Independent than republicans. Therefore, whether everyone likes it or not we may end up with another Republican, and to be honest he's not a true Republican so it shouldn't be too bad. I think I would vote for him before I would the two Democrats.
Just to let you know, the only candidate running on a truely Republican platform this election period was Ron Paul.
Bush isn't a REAL Republican! Neither was his father or Reagan. Barry Goldwater was a REAL Republican. The rest are just posers.

[rosebud]

Hillary is very desprate and is risking her own party's taking the White House for her own political gain.Isn't that what politics is about? If you were running for President and wasn't far behind, within striking distance, would you quit?

[thecavemaster]

Isn't that what politics is about? If you were running for President and wasn't far behind, within striking distance, would you quit?

If you alienate a chunk of the base of the Party in order to be the nominee, then your desire to be the nominee has consumed you to the point of being blind to electability in November.

[RavenBoy]

Gotta go with the Republican.

[BelfryPride]

Go Hillary !!!

[More Cowbell]

Just to let you know, the only candidate running on a truely Republican platform this election period was Ron Paul.
Bush isn't a REAL Republican! Neither was his father or Reagan. Barry Goldwater was a REAL Republican. The rest are just posers.

I agree about this year's Republican candidates. Ron Paul was the only one who truly espoused a platform based on personal freedoms and minimal government intrusion. It's unfortunate that he couldn't garner more support in the primaries.

[SVLadiesFan]

why would you vote for someone that says he won't be sworn in on the Holy Bible? He says that if he gets President he will be sworn in on the Koran.

[DevilsWin]

why would you vote for someone that says he won't be sworn in on the Holy Bible? He says that if he gets President he will be sworn in on the Koran.
You are just plain wrong. Educate yourself! :ChairHit:

Where did you get your information?

[EKY Sportster]

It's hard to believe that Wright was Obama's pastor for 20 years and he never heard him say anything out of line.
:thumpsup: It does make you wonder doesn't it!! Either he doesn't go to this church as much as he says or he has heard it. Either way it would appear that he is being less than truthful about one or the other!!

I don't love any of the candidates this time! But I'd have to take Clinton or McCain over Obama. He just has too many unresolved issues hanging with him that make me uncomfortable.

[DevilsWin]

:thumpsup: It does make you wonder doesn't it!! Either he doesn't go to this church as much as he says or he has heard it. Either way it would appear that he is being less than truthful about one or the other!!

I don't love any of the candidates this time! But I'd have to take Clinton or McCain over Obama. He just has too many unresolved issues hanging with him that make me uncomfortable.
What exactly are these "Unresolved Issues" of which you speak?

[DevilsWin]

Gotta go with the Republican.
The Republican doesn't know the difference between Shia and Sunni!

He is a patriot and a real American Icon but too old and senile to be President in times like these.

[EKY Sportster]

I don't like the fact that Obama won't wear an american flag pin; didn't know about his preacher's radical position; not convinced about his support for Israel; not convinced about his experience level; and some other matters. I don't think people should vote for Obama just because of his race or because of his great speaking ability. You should only vote for him if you think he is the best person for the job and the country and I'm not convinced of this at this time. JMO but shared by many others. Not saying the other two candidates are that much better, but I have a better comfort level with them. Lets just say the lesser of 3 bad choices.

[DevilsWin]

I don't like the fact that Obama won't wear an american flag pin; didn't know about his preacher's radical position; not convinced about his support for Israel; not convinced about his experience level; and some other matters. I don't think people should vote for Obama just because of his race or because of his great speaking ability. You should only vote for him if you think he is the best person for the job and the country and I'm not convinced of this at this time. JMO but shared by many others. Not saying the other two candidates are that much better, but I have a better comfort level with them. Lets just say the lesser of 3 bad choices.

The thought that every politician has to wear a flag pin is absolutely ridiculous. Before 9-11 not many did on days other than Memorial Day and July 4th. The suggestion that wearing one is a sign of character is also ridiculous. Anyone can slap a pin on him or herself but it doesn't make them any more patriotic than the next person. The suggestion that it should be required is nothing less than Nationalism. Which is not to be confused with Patriotism. He plainly said that he disagrees with some of those things Rev Wright said. Have you never disagreed with your preacher before? Besides that, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson said the same things about America after 9-11.
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THAT??????

We must support Israel but blind support of Israel is not acceptable.

[ballcrazy]

The thought that every politician has to wear a flag pin is absolutely ridiculous. Before 9-11 not many did on days other than Memorial Day and July 4th. The suggestion that wearing one is a sign of character is also ridiculous. Anyone can slap a pin on him or herself but it doesn't make them any more patriotic than the next person. The suggestion that it should be required is nothing less than Nationalism. Which is not to be confused with Patriotism. He plainly said that he disagrees with some of those things Rev Wright said. Have you never disagreed with your preacher before? Besides that, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson said the same things about America after 9-11.
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THAT??????

We must support Israel but blind support of Israel is not acceptable.

Great post.

[DevilsWin]

Great post.
Thanks Ballcrazy!:D

[Coach_Owens87]

The thought that every politician has to wear a flag pin is absolutely ridiculous. Before 9-11 not many did on days other than Memorial Day and July 4th. The suggestion that wearing one is a sign of character is also ridiculous. Anyone can slap a pin on him or herself but it doesn't make them any more patriotic than the next person. The suggestion that it should be required is nothing less than Nationalism. Which is not to be confused with Patriotism. He plainly said that he disagrees with some of those things Rev Wright said. Have you never disagreed with your preacher before? Besides that, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson said the same things about America after 9-11.
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THAT??????

We must support Israel but blind support of Israel is not acceptable.

Great post DW.

It's just convenient for the right wingers to forget about the absurd comments made by Robertson and Falwell. Blaming gays and the ALCU for 9/11 is ridiculous, but no one made a huge issue about it. McCain also said that those two where "agents of intolerance", but now he has seemed to forget about all that is fully behind them now. where is the outrage about that?

[DevilsWin]

Great post DW.

It's just convenient for the right wingers to forget about the absurd comments made by Robertson and Falwell. Blaming gays and the ALCU for 9/11 is ridiculous, but no one made a huge issue about it. McCain also said that those two where "agents of intolerance", but now he has seemed to forget about all that is fully behind them now. where is the outrage about that?
To support McCain; and to proclaim that your non-support of Obama is because of that issue is nothing less than hypocrisy!

[RammsteinFan92]

The thought that every politician has to wear a flag pin is absolutely ridiculous. Before 9-11 not many did on days other than Memorial Day and July 4th. The suggestion that wearing one is a sign of character is also ridiculous. Anyone can slap a pin on him or herself but it doesn't make them any more patriotic than the next person. The suggestion that it should be required is nothing less than Nationalism. Which is not to be confused with Patriotism. He plainly said that he disagrees with some of those things Rev Wright said. Have you never disagreed with your preacher before? Besides that, Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson said the same things about America after 9-11.
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THAT??????

We must support Israel but blind support of Israel is not acceptable.

i also think this is a great post because you can't say the thing about the American Flag pin because doYOU wear a american flag pin whenever you go out to public places?:rolleyes:

[RammsteinFan92]

Great post DW.

It's just convenient for the right wingers to forget about the absurd comments made by Robertson and Falwell. Blaming gays and the ALCU for 9/11 is ridiculous, but no one made a huge issue about it. McCain also said that those two where "agents of intolerance", but now he has seemed to forget about all that is fully behind them now. where is the outrage about that?

oh don't forget Fred "gay basher" Phelps he thinks the gays are to blame for literly EVERYTHING

[TOMCAT06]

It Has Been Rumored That Obama will be making a visit to Ashland on his campaign trail. Should be interesting to see if this is true! I should know shortly if it is or not!

[DevilsWin]

It Has Been Rumored That Obama will be making a visit to Ashland on his campaign trail. Should be interesting to see if this is true! I should know shortly if it is or not!
He needs to come to Ashland!

[Central Ram]

I hope he does come to Ashland! I personally believe in his change for America. I know Obama is not popular in this part of our state,but I'll be voting for him on May 20!

[ballcrazy]

I hope he does come to Ashland! I personally believe in his change for America. I know Obama is not popular in this part of our state,but I'll be voting for him on May 20!

So will I.

[RammsteinFan92]

So will I.

believe me if i were eightenn i would too...:D

[Old School]

I ran across this article, some of you may find it a interesting read.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/trailhead/archive/2008/04/24/drop-out-obama.aspx?GT1=38001

[Old School]

Alright everyone let's get serious about the 08 Presidential Election, here's how we can all show support for our chosen candidate.

There are less than seven months until the election, an election that will decide the next President of the United States. The person elected will be the president of all Americans, not just the Democrats or the Republicans. To show our solidarity as Americans, lets all get together and show each other our support for the candidate of our choice. It's time that we all come together Democrats and Republicans alike.

If you support the policies and charcter of John McCain, please drive with you headlights on during the day. If you support Obama or Hillary, please drive with your headlights off at night.

[RammsteinFan92]

Alright everyone let's get serious about the 08 Presidential Election, here's how we can all show support for our chosen candidate.

There are less than seven months until the election, an election that will decide the next President of the United States. The person elected will be the president of all Americans, not just the Democrats or the Republicans. To show our solidarity as Americans, lets all get together and show each other our support for the candidate of our choice. It's time that we all come together Democrats and Republicans alike.

If you support the policies and charcter of John McCain, please drive with you headlights on during the day. If you support Obama or Hillary, please drive with your headlights off at night.







WTF????...lol

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[RammsteinFan92]

YOU KNOW TRULY SENATOR CLINTON HAS NO MORE EXPERIENCE THEN A PASTERY CHEF AT THE WHITE HOUSE:lmao:


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