Most underated players in the 16th

[ukfootballrocks]

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[OMG]

Logan Helms

[Mr.Kimball]

Logan Helms

I agree.

[OMG]

I agree.

He just seemed to take a back seat to some people who really didn't contribute as much last year. I think he will have a huge year this season and is by far Greenup's best hitter this year. Is he a senior?

[Mr.Kimball]

He just seemed to take a back seat to some people who really didn't contribute as much last year. I think he will have a huge year this season and is by far Greenup's best hitter this year. Is he a senior?

Your thinking of Billy Logan, he is Greenup's catcher. Helms plays at Boyd County.

[OMG]

Your thinking of Billy Logan, he is Greenup's catcher. Helms plays at Boyd County.

Good call Kimball that's exactly who I was talking about. Helms' is already an unbelievable player and in the top 50 All-State prospects.

[rgdad]

He just seemed to take a back seat to some people who really didn't contribute as much last year. I think he will have a huge year this season and is by far Greenup's best hitter this year. Is he a senior?

Billy Logan is just a junior, and he will have a big year at the plate for Greenup. But I believe he is the best catcher in the 16th region this year. Look for big things out of him in the next couple of years. Also I believe that Carver from Raceland is an excellent hitter and is one of the most overlooked players in the 16th.

[OMG]

Billy Logan is just a junior, and he will have a big year at the plate for Greenup. But I believe he is the best catcher in the 16th region this year. Look for big things out of him in the next couple of years. Also I believe that Carver from Raceland is an excellent hitter and is one of the most overlooked players in the 16th.


Where does Carver play(position)? What did he hit last season?

[sumj45]

Justin Underwood from Fleming County.....he is a great defensive player

[Triple Crown]

Carver- Raceland

[rgdad]

Where does Carver play(position)? What did he hit last season?

Sorry I have been on vacation, so I could not reply. Carver I believe played second base. He hit 5th or 3rd, if I remember right. He is a very good hitter and just a good all around player.

[rgdad]

Just read the paper, Carver played 3rd base last night and went 2 for 3 against Boyd co.

[Bosox Fan]

Zach Reed at Greenup, Bolander at Lewis, Helms at Boyd, I know more but can not think of the names.

[lewisfan21]

Shaw (sr.) from Lewis is the most underrated player in the region. He is an excellent pitcher. He throws more than 10 different pitches with great control and he has increased his velocity tremendously from last year. He is also great with the stick. He hit .428 in varsity as a freshman with over 80 at bats. He has hit over .300 every year. He is great with the glove as well. He plays every position on the infield and can also play outfield. Downing (jr.) from Lewis is also underrated as catcher. IMO he is the best defensive catcher in the region.

[643DP]

Shaw (sr.) from Lewis is the most underrated player in the region. He is an excellent pitcher. He throws more than 10 different pitches with great control and he has increased his velocity tremendously from last year. He is also great with the stick. He hit .428 in varsity as a freshman with over 80 at bats. He has hit over .300 every year. He is great with the glove as well. He plays every position on the infield and can also play outfield. Downing (jr.) from Lewis is also underrated as catcher. IMO he is the best defensive catcher in the region.

I didn't known there were 10 different pitches to throw. Wow!!!

[Bosox Fan]

Shaw (sr.) from Lewis is the most underrated player in the region. He is an excellent pitcher. He throws more than 10 different pitches with great control and he has increased his velocity tremendously from last year. He is also great with the stick. He hit .428 in varsity as a freshman with over 80 at bats. He has hit over .300 every year. He is great with the glove as well. He plays every position on the infield and can also play outfield. Downing (jr.) from Lewis is also underrated as catcher. IMO he is the best defensive catcher in the region.

10 pitches?
I can not even think of 10 and there is no way all 10 are a solid pitch that he can control, I am not bashing the kid because I have never seen him play, but 10 pitches?
fastball
curveball
change
2 seam
slider
sinker
knuckleball
gyro(if you are a believer)

[rgdad]

10 pitches?
I can not even think of 10 and there is no way all 10 are a solid pitch that he can control, I am not bashing the kid because I have never seen him play, but 10 pitches?
fastball
curveball
change
2 seam
slider
sinker
knuckleball
gyro(if you are a believer)

How about a knucklecurve. I once knew someone who threw it.

[JackRabbitSlim]

10 pitches?
I can not even think of 10 and there is no way all 10 are a solid pitch that he can control, I am not bashing the kid because I have never seen him play, but 10 pitches?
fastball
curveball
change
2 seam
slider
sinker
knuckleball
gyro(if you are a believer)

There are different variations of a pitch, but no way is there 10 "different" pitches. For example, sidearm, underneath, over the top, etc. This may be what he is talking about, but I am not sure. If he throws that many pitches consistently he should be in the show.

[lewisfan21]

There are different variations of a pitch, but no way is there 10 "different" pitches. For example, sidearm, underneath, over the top, etc. This may be what he is talking about, but I am not sure. If he throws that many pitches consistently he should be in the show.

Here are the pitches he thows. Fastball, change, knuckleball, knucklecurve, splitter, slider, sinker, screwball, gyro, fork, cutter, slurve, and palmball. He also has many different variations of the fastball and change. He can also drop down to sidearm at times.

[Bosox Fan]

Here are the pitches he thows. Fastball, change, knuckleball, knucklecurve, splitter, slider, sinker, screwball, gyro, fork, cutter, slurve, and palmball. He also has many different variations of the fastball and change. He can also drop down to sidearm at times.


ok well the gyro has been tested and it is impossible according to scientists, the fork ball and splitter are the same thing, a palm ball is a change-up, and this kid is able to throw all these but not a curve ball?

I do not mean to bash on you, I do not know the kid he may be a stud, but theres no way that all "10" of these pitches are effective or he would be a first round draft pick.

[JackRabbitSlim]

Here are the pitches he thows. Fastball, change, knuckleball, knucklecurve, splitter, slider, sinker, screwball, gyro, fork, cutter, slurve, and palmball. He also has many different variations of the fastball and change. He can also drop down to sidearm at times.

"BoSox Fan a knucklecurve is a curve ball. However, that is one of the only pitches I believe he can throw. Splitter, Fork are the same. Slurve is a term used for somebody who thinks they throw a slider, but their coach thinks it's a curve. It is the same as a slider, or a curve. It is impossible for a high school age kid to throw a successful splitter or a screwball because their hands are simply not developed enough or their mobility to have this pitch be effective. Slider is possible yet unlikely. Even a changeup, which a palm ball is the exact same thing. It is hard to develop a good changeup unless you have been to countless workouts and been taught by someon who has thrown all these pitches, and the only place you will find that is the major leagues. Nobody throw the Gyro, you just heard that up top in a post and decided to say it. Cutter, let's leave this one to Rivera, we all know there is not a high school kid throwing this pitch. So basically after you sift through all the stuff that is physical not going to happen, and other stuff that he would have to be in the major leagues to learn how to throw effectively, you basically come down with a fastball, slider/curveball, possibly a changeup. So 10 went to 3 real quick. If you still insist on this I would love to know where he learned how to throw all these pitches, and why doesn't he have 100 scouts at every game. There is nobody in the pros that can throw this many pitches, do you even realize this? This is the type of statement that gets made when you have two kids in the backyard and one is down catching for the other one, and the decide they know how to throw all these pitches, so by the end of the day the rumor start that theres this kid that can throw 10 different pitches and he is going to play for the high school next year, Were gonna be awesome! Well let's just step back and have a little bit of a reality check here, and decide that this is simply not true, and there is nothing that will be able to convince me of that.

[lewisfan21]

"BoSox Fan a knucklecurve is a curve ball. However, that is one of the only pitches I believe he can throw. Splitter, Fork are the same. Slurve is a term used for somebody who thinks they throw a slider, but their coach thinks it's a curve. It is the same as a slider, or a curve. It is impossible for a high school age kid to throw a successful splitter or a screwball because their hands are simply not developed enough or their mobility to have this pitch be effective. Slider is possible yet unlikely. Even a changeup, which a palm ball is the exact same thing. It is hard to develop a good changeup unless you have been to countless workouts and been taught by someon who has thrown all these pitches, and the only place you will find that is the major leagues. Nobody throw the Gyro, you just heard that up top in a post and decided to say it. Cutter, let's leave this one to Rivera, we all know there is not a high school kid throwing this pitch. So basically after you sift through all the stuff that is physical not going to happen, and other stuff that he would have to be in the major leagues to learn how to throw effectively, you basically come down with a fastball, slider/curveball, possibly a changeup. So 10 went to 3 real quick. If you still insist on this I would love to know where he learned how to throw all these pitches, and why doesn't he have 100 scouts at every game. There is nobody in the pros that can throw this many pitches, do you even realize this? This is the type of statement that gets made when you have two kids in the backyard and one is down catching for the other one, and the decide they know how to throw all these pitches, so by the end of the day the rumor start that theres this kid that can throw 10 different pitches and he is going to play for the high school next year, Were gonna be awesome! Well let's just step back and have a little bit of a reality check here, and decide that this is simply not true, and there is nothing that will be able to convince me of that.

A fork and a splitter are 2 different pitches. So are a change and a palmball. I've seen Shaw pitch and I know he throws a knuckle, slider, knucklecurve, screwball, fastball, change, splitter, and fork. A slurve is a mix between a slider and a curve. A cutter is thrown by putting more pressure on of the fingers used to throw the fastball. I've heard he can throw the gyro but i haven't seen it. He uses all of these pitches in a game.

[JackRabbitSlim]

A fork and a splitter are 2 different pitches. So are a change and a palmball. I've seen Shaw pitch and I know he throws a knuckle, slider, knucklecurve, screwball, fastball, change, splitter, and fork. A slurve is a mix between a slider and a curve. A cutter is thrown by putting more pressure on of the fingers used to throw the fastball. I've heard he can throw the gyro but i haven't seen it. He uses all of these pitches in a game.

I will agree a fork and a splitter are the same things. Not a palm ball and a changeup, same thing there. Regardless he can't throw them effectively, theres no way. Get in touch with reality, this is not even close to being true. I can't wait to see this kid pitch so I can see what a crazy accusation this is.

[sumj45]

I will agree a fork and a splitter are the same things. Not a palm ball and a changeup, same thing there. Regardless he can't throw them effectively, theres no way. Get in touch with reality, this is not even close to being true. I can't wait to see this kid pitch so I can see what a crazy accusation this is.

haha

[lewisfan21]

I will agree a fork and a splitter are the same things. Not a palm ball and a changeup, same thing there. Regardless he can't throw them effectively, theres no way. Get in touch with reality, this is not even close to being true. I can't wait to see this kid pitch so I can see what a crazy accusation this is.

I don't know why you think high schoolers can't throw a splitter or a screwball. I've known other high school pitchers who could throw both. Shaw can definitely pitch more than three pitches. He probably has been working on some of these pitches since little league. I know that he started throwing the knuckle and knucklecurve in little league. As for the control, I have rarely seen him walk anybody in the games I've seen him play. Of course he isn't going to be able to throw these pitches as well as major leaguers but he can still use them well enough to get high school batters out.

[lewisfan21]

haha

You can laugh now but don't you remember when Shaw shut out Fleming last year.

[JackRabbitSlim]

I don't know why you think high schoolers can't throw a splitter or a screwball. I've known other high school pitchers who could throw both. Shaw can definitely pitch more than three pitches. He probably has been working on some of these pitches since little league. I know that he started throwing the knuckle and knucklecurve in little league. As for the control, I have rarely seen him walk anybody in the games I've seen him play. Of course he isn't going to be able to throw these pitches as well as major leaguers but he can still use them well enough to get high school batters out.

No he can't! I would love to spend a day in this fantasy world that you live in. Do you even know what a screwball does? The main reason I don't believe this is because I honestly don't believe that the pitching coach at Lewis county knows how to throw these pitches. I know him well, and as a matter of fact I know he doesn't know how to throw some of these pitches. I don't guess I would call him a pitching coach, he's a coach, but he works a lot with the pitchers. How did he develop these pitches then? Your trying to tell me that this kid started throwing these pitches in little league? That's not true. Nobody does that. I remember little league and I don't remember anybody striking me out on a screwball. You barely even know how to throw a curveball at that age. After little league you develop a curve, and then move onto a changeup. It takes the majority of high school pitchers 2 to 3 years to even get a changeup to do what they want, and you are trying to tell me that this kid has 10 pitches like that. I will never believe that. For that matter, let's say for hypothetical reasons that he could throw that many pitches, don't you think that just maybe somebody besides you would have heard of him? I would think somebody with ten pitches would be known state, and nationwide.

I just really think your mistaken on this, and he really just throws a couple of pitches from different angles, and that's it. I bet he only has a fastball and a curveball and he throws both of them from different release points. Possibly ten different release points.haha:cool:

[JackRabbitSlim]

You can laugh now but don't you remember when Shaw shut out Fleming last year.

Yea and don't you remember when fleming beat Lewis in 2008? You also beat East Carter one game last year and they beat you this year. So what's your point? Of course you also got mercied by EC late in the year last year.

[sumj45]

You can laugh now but don't you remember when Shaw shut out Fleming last year.

don't live in the past..Fleming won in 2008. Fleming plays Lewis again this year, not sure when, but they will win that one too. If Shaw brings his so called screwball and his other 37 pitches he throws they will knock him off the mound

[lewisfan21]

No he can't! I would love to spend a day in this fantasy world that you live in. Do you even know what a screwball does? The main reason I don't believe this is because I honestly don't believe that the pitching coach at Lewis county knows how to throw these pitches. I know him well, and as a matter of fact I know he doesn't know how to throw some of these pitches. I don't guess I would call him a pitching coach, he's a coach, but he works a lot with the pitchers. How did he develop these pitches then? Your trying to tell me that this kid started throwing these pitches in little league? That's not true. Nobody does that. I remember little league and I don't remember anybody striking me out on a screwball. You barely even know how to throw a curveball at that age. After little league you develop a curve, and then move onto a changeup. It takes the majority of high school pitchers 2 to 3 years to even get a changeup to do what they want, and you are trying to tell me that this kid has 10 pitches like that. I will never believe that. For that matter, let's say for hypothetical reasons that he could throw that many pitches, don't you think that just maybe somebody besides you would have heard of him? I would think somebody with ten pitches would be known state, and nationwide.

I just really think your mistaken on this, and he really just throws a couple of pitches from different angles, and that's it. I bet he only has a fastball and a curveball and he throws both of them from different release points. Possibly ten different release points.haha:cool:

So you have never seen a high school pitcher throw a knuckleball, a slider, or even a screwball. A screwball is thrown the same as the curve except you snap your wrist the opposite way. I don't know why you think the fork and split are the same. A fork is thrown different than a split. And tell Matsuzaka that the gyro isn't really a pitch.

[WannaBeaBalla]

Shaw has about 6 to 7 pitches that he uses in a game. He can throw more pitches than this but they do not work effectively. Only 5 or 6 of these pitches are very effective. Fastball (2 seam and 4seam), knuckle curve, knuckle, splitter, circle change, and slider.

[Bosox Fan]

Why is there so much talk about Lewis? Greenup has a lot of young talent that is on the bench, that frankly would be starting at most other schools in the region..... Boyd also is a growing program, any names from those programs?

[JackRabbitSlim]

So you have never seen a high school pitcher throw a knuckleball, a slider, or even a screwball. A screwball is thrown the same as the curve except you snap your wrist the opposite way. I don't know why you think the fork and split are the same. A fork is thrown different than a split. And tell Matsuzaka that the gyro isn't really a pitch.

Are you really trying to compare this kid from Lewis to a Japanese pitcher in the major leagues? I know how to throw a screw ball, but it's obvious you people in Lewis are out of touch with reality. This is a stupid argument

[lewisfan21]

Are you really trying to compare this kid from Lewis to a Japanese pitcher in the major leagues? I know how to throw a screw ball, but it's obvious you people in Lewis are out of touch with reality. This is a stupid argument

I'm not comparing him to anybody. I'm just saying that the gyro is a pitch. I don't know exactly how many pitches he throws in a game but I know he throws at least 7.

[JackRabbitSlim]

I'm not comparing him to anybody. I'm just saying that the gyro is a pitch. I don't know exactly how many pitches he throws in a game but I know he throws at least 7.

Haha. Now it's 7. It's went down 3, by this time next week it will be down to 2, which is a lot more accurate.

[CleanupMan]

Kyle Martin on GCHS Pitcher/Infielder(SS);)

[lewisfan21]

Haha. Now it's 7. It's went down 3, by this time next week it will be down to 2, which is a lot more accurate.

I'm saying that he only throws about 7 different pitches in one game. I know that he can throw more than 10 different pitches. I think he throws different pitches against different teams.

[JackRabbitSlim]

I'm saying that he only throws about 7 different pitches in one game. I know that he can throw more than 10 different pitches. I think he throws different pitches against different teams.



No he doesn't! Stop trying to get people to believe that because it is not true. He throws the same pitches every game and it's no where close to 7. Maybe 7 variations of 3 pitches combined, but thats it. This is starting to get rediculus.

[ukfootballrocks]

what is ridiculous is the kid may throw 7 pitches in a game its not unbelievable some pitches may work for him and some may not it doesn't mean he does not throw them but what is really ridiculous is everyone has Greenup Co fever or something cause its ok for them to talk about Greenup 24/7 but when someone mentioned another team in the 16th region you have 100 people jumping down their throat saying how much better Greenup is!!.I beleive this is called BLUEGRASS rivals not Greenup rivals.No he doesn't! Stop trying to get people to believe that because it is not true. He throws the same pitches every game and it's no where close to 7. Maybe 7 variations of 3 pitches combined, but thats it. This is starting to get rediculus.

[WannaBeaBalla]

what is ridiculous is the kid may throw 7 pitches in a game its not unbelievable some pitches may work for him and some may not it doesn't mean he does not throw them but what is really ridiculous is everyone has Greenup Co fever or something cause its ok for them to talk about Greenup 24/7 but when someone mentioned another team in the 16th region you have 100 people jumping down their throat saying how much better Greenup is!!.I beleive this is called BLUEGRASS rivals not Greenup rivals.

I agree. I know that Greenup won last year but there are other teams in the region that have a chance to win it, Lewis county being one of them. Maybe if people would go watch a few other teams besides Greenup and Lawrence then they would know this.

[Bosox Fan]

what is ridiculous is the kid may throw 7 pitches in a game its not unbelievable some pitches may work for him and some may not it doesn't mean he does not throw them but what is really ridiculous is everyone has Greenup Co fever or something cause its ok for them to talk about Greenup 24/7 but when someone mentioned another team in the 16th region you have 100 people jumping down their throat saying how much better Greenup is!!.I beleive this is called BLUEGRASS rivals not Greenup rivals.

Well the Greenup fans have been in the shadow of Boyd since 1996, and from what I read Lewis is getting a lot more love than Greenup here on BLUEGRASS Rivals, If Lewis beats Greenup on Tuesday then I will not say another word against them, but until someone in the 16th beats the Musketeers I will stand true by them. Also, I have never "jumped down their throat saying how much better Greenup is" because baseball is a scary game, the best team does not always win, the only thing I have said is that there is no way that a kid has 10 pitches, and also the Lewis fans know it cause it is lowering as we speak.

[JackRabbitSlim]

what is ridiculous is the kid may throw 7 pitches in a game its not unbelievable some pitches may work for him and some may not it doesn't mean he does not throw them but what is really ridiculous is everyone has Greenup Co fever or something cause its ok for them to talk about Greenup 24/7 but when someone mentioned another team in the 16th region you have 100 people jumping down their throat saying how much better Greenup is!!.I beleive this is called BLUEGRASS rivals not Greenup rivals.

Well regardless they were talking about Lewis winning the 16th and that won't happen. I hope after tonights whooping all that talk will stop.

[lewisfan21]

Well regardless they were talking about Lewis winning the 16th and that won't happen. I hope after tonights whooping all that talk will stop.

Was you at the game? Lewis didn't pitch their best pitchers and they still made a game out of it. If Lewis gets a couple of timely hits with runners on base then things would have got interesting.

[lewisfan21]

Well the Greenup fans have been in the shadow of Boyd since 1996, and from what I read Lewis is getting a lot more love than Greenup here on BLUEGRASS Rivals, If Lewis beats Greenup on Tuesday then I will not say another word against them, but until someone in the 16th beats the Musketeers I will stand true by them. Also, I have never "jumped down their throat saying how much better Greenup is" because baseball is a scary game, the best team does not always win, the only thing I have said is that there is no way that a kid has 10 pitches, and also the Lewis fans know it cause it is lowering as we speak.

I hope that you get to see Shaw pitch just so you will believe that it is not impossible to throw that many pitches. He threw against East Carter earlier this year and he used at least 7 of his pitches. And i'm mot talking about the same pitch from different release points. I'm talking about 7 completely different pitches. I've seen him throw more than 10 different pitches over the course of a season, not all of them in the same game.

[JackRabbitSlim]

Was you at the game? Lewis didn't pitch their best pitchers and they still made a game out of it. If Lewis gets a couple of timely hits with runners on base then things would have got interesting.

timely hitting doesn't matter, they still would have lost big! They are no where close to being the best, they are at best a number 7 or 8 team in the region. Lewis is not that good compared to everyone else in the 16th. Maybe if you go to the 14th you can compete, but not in the 16th.

[lewisfan21]

timely hitting doesn't matter, they still would have lost big! They are no where close to being the best, they are at best a number 7 or 8 team in the region. Lewis is not that good compared to everyone else in the 16th. Maybe if you go to the 14th you can compete, but not in the 16th.

They competed last year so I don't see why they can't compete this year. They beat Fairview, East, Russell, Morgan, and Rowan and can do the same this year. Greenup and Boyd and possibly Ashland are the only teams that they might not have a chance of beating.

[JackRabbitSlim]

They competed last year so I don't see why they can't compete this year. They beat Fairview, East, Russell, Morgan, and Rowan and can do the same this year. Greenup and Boyd and possibly Ashland are the only teams that they might not have a chance of beating.

Well if they don't have a chance of beating those teams then they don't have a chance at winning region. Good I am glad we finally agree that Lewis has no shot at winning the 16th region tournament. Now we can finally end this agrument.

[Bosox Fan]

They competed last year so I don't see why they can't compete this year. They beat Fairview, East, Russell, Morgan, and Rowan and can do the same this year. Greenup and Boyd and possibly Ashland are the only teams that they might not have a chance of beating.

A chance? The way I look at it is in order to get respect you have to earn it, Who has Lewis beat that is a quality ball club THIS YEAR? I have not went to any of there games so I have no idea please fill me in.

[Bosox Fan]

I hope that you get to see Shaw pitch just so you will believe that it is not impossible to throw that many pitches. He threw against East Carter earlier this year and he used at least 7 of his pitches. And i'm mot talking about the same pitch from different release points. I'm talking about 7 completely different pitches. I've seen him throw more than 10 different pitches over the course of a season, not all of them in the same game.

I do not care if he can throw 100 pitches, if he spots a fastball with velocity at 80 or more hes a good pitcher at the high school level. I have never heard of this kid before this year, and I have been a part of a 16th region program for the past 5 years.

[lewisfan21]

A chance? The way I look at it is in order to get respect you have to earn it, Who has Lewis beat that is a quality ball club THIS YEAR? I have not went to any of there games so I have no idea please fill me in.

They beat Ashland. Have they earned any respect yet?

[JackRabbitSlim]

Ashland was not a good ball team last year and based on so far they are not going to be good this year as well. They barley beat Fairview 2-1.

[lewisfan21]

Ashland was not a good ball team last year and based on so far they are not going to be good this year as well. They barley beat Fairview 2-1.

Ashland made the region finals last year and are ranked in most peoples top 6 this year.

[Bosox Fan]

Ashland made the region finals last year and are ranked in most peoples top 6 this year.

Give me a break, if you beat Greenup or Boyd then you have beat a baseball team. When you beat a below average team in extra innings you have not done anything.

[WannaBeaBalla]

I do not care if he can throw 100 pitches, if he spots a fastball with velocity at 80 or more hes a good pitcher at the high school level. I have never heard of this kid before this year, and I have been a part of a 16th region program for the past 5 years.

He beat East last year and shut out Fleming last year. He is 0-2 so far this year but has pitched decent. He had 1 rough inning against East and Minford hit well against him but only had 1 earned run.

[WannaBeaBalla]

Give me a break, if you beat Greenup or Boyd then you have beat a baseball team. When you beat a below average team in extra innings you have not done anything.

We'll see how good Lewis is when they play Lawrence.