John McCain

[RammsteinFan92]

Do we Really need another republican pres. after all we've been thorough the past 8 years? PLEASE REPLY

[ComfortEagle]

Do we Really need another republican pres. after all we've been thorough the past 8 years? PLEASE REPLY

There are worse Republicans that could be running.

[Beef]

Do we Really need another republican pres. after all we've been thorough the past 8 years? PLEASE REPLYDo we really need either of the two Democrat candidates that are out there? Everyone will not be happy with the choice. It is all based on your beliefs of what should be done in the country.

[TidesHoss32]

He'll get my vote. I dont like his politics, but I like him better than the two dems running. If John Edwards won the nomination, I wouldnt lose sleep at night worrying that we could have Obama or Hillary in the White House.

[vundy33]

I'm voting for him...

[Brooks4Prez]

I'm a Mccainiac:) :)

[RammsteinFan92]

I'm a Mccainiac:) :)

well i can't vote but if i could Hillary or Obama would have my Vote:D

[Brooks4Prez]

well i can't vote but if i could Hillary or Obama would have my Vote:D

:rolleyes: :)

[PHS95]

He's got mine too! Both of the others are useless in my opinion... didn't Hillary already have 8 years? LOL (joke)

My motto, though, really, is "ANYBODY but Hillary '08!"

[cards_athlete]

I'm all for Hillary! lol

[sherman14]

well i can't vote but if i could Hillary or Obama would have my Vote:D

Cant u decide which one to pic.
:rolleyes:

[sherman14]

If I could vote I would voe McCain. And hopefully if he wins and runs for a second term then I could vote for him.

[RammsteinFan92]

Cant u decide which one to pic.
:rolleyes:

unlike mccain.....obama and hillary have eachother to run against and no becuase i like both and a party should be united instead of tore apart over a canidate!

[RammsteinFan92]

If I could vote I would voe McCain. And hopefully if he wins and runs for a second term then I could vote for him.

if he wins will be dealing with bush policys :rolleyes: :mad:

[RammsteinFan92]

:rolleyes: :)

Um last time i checked this is america and i'm allowed to have an opionion and i don't like you lauging and rolling your eyes at it...i wouldn't do that to your opionion:(

[vundy33]

Um last time i checked this is america and i'm allowed to have an opionion and i don't like you lauging and rolling your eyes at it...i wouldn't do that to your opionion:(

Are you going to start this crap again...? :wtf1:

[RammsteinFan92]

Are you going to start this crap again...? :wtf1:

start what ?!:confused:

[Brooks4Prez]

Um last time i checked this is america and i'm allowed to have an opionion and i don't like you lauging and rolling your eyes at it...i wouldn't do that to your opionion:(

Dude, just kidding, that's why I put a :) in there.

[TidesHoss32]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: start what ?!:confused:

[RammsteinFan92]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:fedup: with him...lol

[TidesHoss32]

:) just messin with ya man..:fedup: with him...lol

[PLAYBOY5]

Um last time i checked this is america and i'm allowed to have an opionion and i don't like you lauging and rolling your eyes at it...i wouldn't do that to your opionion:(
Well Thank God you can't vote, because guess what..I CAN!!! GO McCAIN!!!!!:PirateSho :Clap:

[More Cowbell]

Do we Really need another republican pres. after all we've been thorough the past 8 years? PLEASE REPLY

Well, for one thing McCain and Bush aren't twins. Not saying I'm going to vote for him, but I wouldn't vote against him just because of his political party affiliation.

Look a little deeper, explore his positions on key issues, and then make a decision. Don't just assume that you don't like him because he is a Republican.

[PHS95]

The problem I see in general is that people are raised to believe that republicans are evil around here. People should vote based on issues, not party lines!

[PLAYBOY5]

The problem I see in general is that people are raised to believe that republicans are evil around here. People should vote based on issues, not party lines!
Well said:Thumbs:

[RammsteinFan92]

Well, for one thing McCain and Bush aren't twins. Not saying I'm going to vote for him, but I wouldn't vote against him just because of his political party affiliation.

Look a little deeper, explore his positions on key issues, and then make a decision. Don't just assume that you don't like him because he is a Republican.

well i don't like him because i know were going to be living under bush policys

[RammsteinFan92]

The problem I see in general is that people are raised to believe that republicans are evil around here. People should vote based on issues, not party lines!

well i guess that is half right....but i look to "heros" like reagan and see that he sold weapons to iran and took the money and gave it to the contras all under the table and also how we were lied to get in Iraq....so i actually have my own opionion because half my family are very big reps.

[Coach_Owens87]

If I could vote I would voe McCain. And hopefully if he wins and runs for a second term then I could vote for him.

I pray every night that scenario will never happen.

Even if McCain does win this election (God help us if he does), I don't know if his old body could hold out for another 8 years.

And before anyone says im biased and dont know his stances on issues, I assure that I do, and I dislike them.

[sherman14]

unlike mccain.....obama and hillary have eachother to run against and no becuase i like both and a party should be united instead of tore apart over a canidate!

Just like a democrat never can decide.

[sherman14]

Well Thank God you can't vote, because guess what..I CAN!!! GO McCAIN!!!!!:PirateSho :Clap:

:) :) :) :) :

[sherman14]

Since yall were talkin about how bad Republicans are. Look at JFK did. He almost ended the world with th Missle crisis.

[More Cowbell]

well i don't like him because i know were going to be living under bush policys

Again, Bush's policies are not necessarily McCain's policies. Do you really think all Republicans think alike? The two have some differing views on certain issues, as do Hillary and Obama.

[thecavemaster]

Since yall were talkin about how bad Republicans are. Look at JFK did. He almost ended the world with th Missle crisis.

The Soviets were ACTUALLY placing weapons of mass destruction in Cuba.

[Coach_Owens87]

The Soviets were ACTUALLY placing weapons of mass destruction in Cuba.

Yeah, that point kinda kills sherman14's argument.

Conservatives like to live in their own little world, where facts , honesty and common sense don't have much value.

[PHS95]

Yeah, that point kinda kills sherman14's argument.

Conservatives like to live in their own little world, where facts , honesty and common sense don't have much value.

And most conservatives could say the same about the liberals!

McCain has gone against republicans in the past (McCain-Finegold, anyone?) I can't see him going strictly by Bush Policies and anyone who says so is showing their lack of commitment to learning about the candidate they are bashing!

[thecavemaster]

And most conservatives could say the same about the liberals!

McCain has gone against republicans in the past (McCain-Finegold, anyone?) I can't see him going strictly by Bush Policies and anyone who says so is showing their lack of commitment to learning about the candidate they are bashing!

McCain is not a Bush clone any more than Obama is of Jeremiah Wright. To temporarily waive the gasoline tax (it seems to me) does not solve any long term problems, and costs the Federal Government several billion dollars when we just borrowed money from China to rebate American taxpayers. Borrowing money from the Communists to pay the Capitalists' tax refund!

[RammsteinFan92]

Yeah, that point kinda kills sherman14's argument.

Conservatives like to live in their own little world, where facts , honesty and common sense don't have much value.

ans that's the world sherman14 lives in he thinks bush has helped our economy so much said that whatever goes wrong is blamed on bush....

[RammsteinFan92]

Since yall were talkin about how bad Republicans are. Look at JFK did. He almost ended the world with th Missle crisis.

:served:....lol

[More Cowbell]

And most conservatives could say the same about the liberals!

McCain has gone against republicans in the past (McCain-Finegold, anyone?) I can't see him going strictly by Bush Policies and anyone who says so is showing their lack of commitment to learning about the candidate they are bashing!

Good post, thank you.

I wish more people would actually do some research and find out for themselves what a candidate's position is on a particular issue, rather than just assuming what it is based on their political party. Again, everyone affiliated with a certain political party (Democrat, Republican, whatever) doesn't have the same position on every issue.

[launchpad4]

if he wins will be dealing with bush policys :rolleyes: :mad:

That's so strange that we would have more Bush policies since Bush and McCain only have common ground on the war in Iraq. You need to educate yourself about candidates not just say "Well he's a republican he must not like working people." Honestly look at their voting records in the senate. Research what they stand for then make an educated statement. My parents always said to think before you speak, maybe you should think before you type.

[Coach_Owens87]

As I said before I did look at McCain's stance on certain issues, and McCain's stances on the ones that are important to me like the environment, war, taxes, and rising energy cost are eerily similar to Bush's policies.

McCain recently scored a zero on his environmental stance from the League of Conservation voters.

McCain who has repeatedly said he wants to provide America with "Clean, renewable energy" doesn't seem to vote that way. In December of 2007 a bill that would have provided billions in incentives for clean energy failed by one vote (59-40), guess who didn't vote? I give you a hint, his last name is McCain.

http://www.alternet.org/blogs/environment/77913/

it's well known that bush hasn't been friendly to the environment.

And McCain would like to be known as the candidate who can lead us through this war on terrorism, but first you would have to have knowledge about the terrorist, and thats something McCain doesn't have much of.

Here are a few ridiculous things McCain has said recently.

At a stop in Jordan he claimed that it was common Knowledge that Al-Queda was being trained in Iran. A few moments later he was corrected by Joe Lieberman and corrected himself to say "extremist are being trained". Which is it McCain?

He also was filmed saying it was safe to walk alone in the streets of Baghdad, all while being followed by body guards, and black hawk helicopters. But does the media report this, nope, there too busy bashing the real people who are harming America, The trinity church and Reverend wright.

A lot of people have claimed, and reported that Bush had little knowledge of the Sunni and Shia relations in Iraq. But's that was a long time ago, McCain should know this stuff right? Apparently not! McCain claimed that there was 'copious' evidence that Iran is supplying, and assisting Al-Qeada and other terrorist groups in Iran, and that the 9/11 commission itself documented this. That isn't quite true, In July, Lt. General Ray Odierno, then the No. 2 commander of U.S. forces in Iraq, said, "We don't see any evidence, significant evidence, that shows that [Iranian-controlled] groups that are funding and providing arms to Shia extremists are directly related to al Qaeda. ( Huffington Post")"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/a-mccain-moment-do-you-w_b_93165.html

And McCain's plan to lower gas prices is riduculous, dropping the federal tax (18.4 cents on gasoline, 24.4 cents on diesel) from memorial day to labor day will not help anything. We need renewable clean energy, but thats something McCain wont vote for.

Many experts are saying that if the war continues on the path it is on gasoline will be $10/gal in the next four years. McCain stance on the war is that we need another surge in troops and that he will stay in Iraq 100 years if neccessary! If gas will be $10 in 4 years, imagine what it will be in 10, 20, or 50 years. We may get to find out if we elect McCain.

McCain also wants to make Bush's tax cuts permanent, (which went almost entirely to the rich, Cheney got an 18% decrease in taxes) which some say are contributing to the recession, trickle down economics don't work.

So it's like I said, we will just get 4 more years of Bush policy if McCain is elected.

[launchpad4]

So what you are saying is that you would like an increase in taxes to help pay for a program that the government can not handle. Imagine how long the lines will be at the emergency room when everyone is there for any reason. Ole Hill and Barack also neglect to tell you that in all countries with universal healthcare taxes are around 50-60 percent. I know a professor from Norway and he explained how taxes in most European countries were much higher than the US. Also, in some European countries elderly people are often neglected because there are much more people that go to the hospital and thus the elderly are left out of being treated in favor of younger citizens. I agree that a freeze on federal gas tax isn't a good idea, but something has to be done and if we were able to drill for oil in areas of our country that had plenty and build new refineries the price would go back to below $1. Imagine that going to fill up your 12 gallon tank for $12. Also, because someone votes against a bill doesn't mean that they are against a position, maybe he thought the bill had too many earmarks or was not extensive enough.

[thecavemaster]

So what you are saying is that you would like an increase in taxes to help pay for a program that the government can not handle. Imagine how long the lines will be at the emergency room when everyone is there for any reason. Ole Hill and Barack also neglect to tell you that in all countries with universal healthcare taxes are around 50-60 percent. I know a professor from Norway and he explained how taxes in most European countries were much higher than the US. Also, in some European countries elderly people are often neglected because there are much more people that go to the hospital and thus the elderly are left out of being treated in favor of younger citizens. I agree that a freeze on federal gas tax isn't a good idea, but something has to be done and if we were able to drill for oil in areas of our country that had plenty and build new refineries the price would go back to below $1. Imagine that going to fill up your 12 gallon tank for $12. Also, because someone votes against a bill doesn't mean that they are against a position, maybe he thought the bill had too many earmarks or was not extensive enough.

A body does grow tired of tired old mantras. Talk to a working pharmacist. Ask them which of the insurerers poses less problems. They will tell you Medicare and Medicaid. Social security... checks like clockwork... government does it. Tax refunds? Very reliable... government does it. Take a hike with your uninformed, kneejerk "government can't do it" nonsense.

[PHS95]

Look at these stats and then tell me that Bush's tax cuts only helped the RICH:

Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250

Are these tax cuts for wealthy??? Someone making 30 grand is RICH??? Where did I miss this memo?!?

Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates

It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.

[Coach_Owens87]

Look at these stats and then tell me that Bush's tax cuts only helped the RICH:

Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250

Are these tax cuts for wealthy??? Someone making 30 grand is RICH??? Where did I miss this memo?!?

Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates

It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.



Please show me where I said it only helped the rich, because I didn't say that. But his tax cuts did heavily favor the rich, while placing most of the tax burden on the middle and lower classes.

Lets really breakdown these tax cuts. In order to enact these cuts America had to BORROW money, which has significantly raised our national debt. Someone has to pay this debt off, and that includes us and our children. Here is some data on how the cuts affected Kentucky.

The lowest 20% of the income level had an additional $7,362 dollars in debt per person, while they only averaged a $132 tax cut over the next six years. That results in a additional $7,230 dollars in debt per person. The middle 20% has an added debt of $6,929 per person. All this is occurring while the top 1% of the state will not have debt added, but will have $20,273 to the good. You must be crazy if you can tell me that doesn't benefit the rich. I guess my $100 in savings is really gonna help with the $7,000 in added debt my parents and I will have. You have to look at the whole picture to really understand the issue. The fact that McCain wants to make these tax cuts permenate really just ticks me off, lets just add more debt to the lower classes. If anyone knows their history they will know that the mal-distribution of wealth was a primary factor in the great depression. When all the money and benefits go to the rich, bad things happen.

http://www.ctj.org/bushtaxcuts.htm

These numbers are very similar across the country. People just think this money to fund these cuts comes from some magic bank that will never run out of money, and will never require us to pay it back. I thought Conservatives wanted to CONSERVE, not waste money to help the rich.


It's amazing how people only look at the numbers that support their opinion, while ignoring the future impact of these "tax cuts".

[Coach_Owens87]

So what you are saying is that you would like an increase in taxes to help pay for a program that the government can not handle. Imagine how long the lines will be at the emergency room when everyone is there for any reason. Ole Hill and Barack also neglect to tell you that in all countries with universal healthcare taxes are around 50-60 percent. I know a professor from Norway and he explained how taxes in most European countries were much higher than the US. Also, in some European countries elderly people are often neglected because there are much more people that go to the hospital and thus the elderly are left out of being treated in favor of younger citizens. I agree that a freeze on federal gas tax isn't a good idea, but something has to be done and if we were able to drill for oil in areas of our country that had plenty and build new refineries the price would go back to below $1. Imagine that going to fill up your 12 gallon tank for $12. Also, because someone votes against a bill doesn't mean that they are against a position, maybe he thought the bill had too many earmarks or was not extensive enough.


First off I didn't mention UHC in my post, so why don't you respond to what I did type, like has tax cuts on gas, or his lack of knowledge on the issues going on in the middle east. The man doesn't have a clue what is going on, but yet he is willing to to spend 100 years in Iraq, I guess he would have time to learn the issues if that where to happen. The only bad thing would be that he wouldn't be around to see many of those years, so I can see why getting to learn the issues doesn't matter, because he wont have to deal with them for long.


So what you are telling me is that you can only use right wing rhetoric and talking points to respond to my opinions.

I dont think privatizing everything is really going to help, I don't trust having the decisions in this country made by huge, private organizations. Universal health care does have it's problems, but I believe those can be worked out and UHC could work. The system we have now is horrible, so a change could be a good thing.

McCain on environment

McCain scored a zero, a big fat 0 on his environmental voting record, so I dont think the earmarks had anything to do with his NOT VOTING on the issue. If he didnt like the bill, he should have shown up and voted no, but he just didnt show up. Which tells me he isn't concerned with the future of renewable energy. He was in DC two days before the voting occurred, so he had time. Both Obama and Hillary had time to vote, so I dont see why McCain had any excuse to not show up. What really ticks me off is that the NEXT day after the clean energy incentives where cut from the stimulus package McCain shows up to vote, and the bill passes.

http://sierraclub.typepad.com/carlpope/2008/02/the-not-so-stra.html

[launchpad4]

First off I didn't mention UHC in my post, so why don't you respond to what I did type, like has tax cuts on gas, or his lack of knowledge on the issues going on in the middle east. The man doesn't have a clue what is going on, but yet he is willing to to spend 100 years in Iraq, I guess he would have time to learn the issues if that where to happen. The only bad thing would be that he wouldn't be around to see many of those years, so I can see why getting to learn the issues doesn't matter, because he wont have to deal with them for long.


So what you are telling me is that you can only use right wing rhetoric and talking points to respond to my opinions.

I dont think privatizing everything is really going to help, I don't trust having the decisions in this country made by huge, private organizations. Universal health care does have it's problems, but I believe those can be worked out and UHC could work. The system we have now is horrible, so a change could be a good thing.

McCain on environment

McCain scored a zero, a big fat 0 on his environmental voting record, so I dont think the earmarks had anything to do with his NOT VOTING on the issue. If he didnt like the bill, he should have shown up and voted no, but he just didnt show up. Which tells me he isn't concerned with the future of renewable energy. He was in DC two days before the voting occurred, so he had time. Both Obama and Hillary had time to vote, so I dont see why McCain had any excuse to not show up. What really ticks me off is that the NEXT day after the clean energy incentives where cut from the stimulus package McCain shows up to vote, and the bill passes.

http://sierraclub.typepad.com/carlpope/2008/02/the-not-so-stra.html

Clinton also supports the gas tax holiday. Now, what if we leave Iraq? What does that say to anyone who is willing to go to war against us. To me that shows that if you can inflict some causualties on the US then we will go home without finishing the job. Keep in mind that if we had finished the job in Somalia a few years ago terrorists may not have the belief that they could defeat what truly is the greatest army in the world. Plus there is a difference in McCain controlling a war than Bush. McCain has been there he knows what it's like to fight and to be captive. Also what does that say about all those that we lost. If we leave the job unfinished basically we kill them again by saying their lives were not meaningful enough to finish the job we started. It won't take 100 years all we need to do is help stabilize their government so that they can control these extremists groups. And about him not voting maybe he had a 24hr virus??

[Coach_Owens87]

Clinton also supports the gas tax holiday. Now, what if we leave Iraq? What does that say to anyone who is willing to go to war against us. To me that shows that if you can inflict some causualties on the US then we will go home without finishing the job. Keep in mind that if we had finished the job in Somalia a few years ago terrorists may not have the belief that they could defeat what truly is the greatest army in the world. Plus there is a difference in McCain controlling a war than Bush. McCain has been there he knows what it's like to fight and to be captive. Also what does that say about all those that we lost. If we leave the job unfinished basically we kill them again by saying their lives were not meaningful enough to finish the job we started. It won't take 100 years all we need to do is help stabilize their government so that they can control these extremists groups. And about him not voting maybe he had a 24hr virus??

Yes Clinton does support the gas tax holiday, and economists agree that it's a bad idea.

You keep resorting to old right wing rhetoric, lets just blame everything on the democrats, especially clinton. Why dont you stop using the "cut and run" BS and actually add something to the debate. I never said to leave Iraq unfinished, we are commited now, but the problem is the war has been mishandled from the beginning, because we never should have been there. What ever happened to those WMD's?

Terrorism didn't start with Somalia, and it wont end with Iraq.

Did you forget about the Iran-Contra scandal? the US arming saddam hussien? Why didnt you mention the mujaheddin, where the us sent thousands of young afghans, egyptians, and "black muslims" to Camp Peary in Virginia to get trained in sabotage skills? The US knew of Osama ties to radical islamic and terrorist groups in the early 80's, but we don't nothing about it because he had ties through his rich family to the US. This situation isnt as simple as blaming it on one president.


Yes McCain is a war veteran, and I appreciate his service, but the man doesnt have a clue about whats going on in the middle east, which is what I was trying to say. Do we really want someone running a war, when he doesnt know who is fighting who?

a 24 hour virus? lol, hilarious, you just keep making excuses for the people you support.

[jetpilot]

Please show me where I said it only helped the rich, because I didn't say that. But his tax cuts did heavily favor the rich, while placing most of the tax burden on the middle and lower classes.

Lets really breakdown these tax cuts. In order to enact these cuts America had to BORROW money, which has significantly raised our national debt. Someone has to pay this debt off, and that includes us and our children. Here is some data on how the cuts affected Kentucky.

The lowest 20% of the income level had an additional $7,362 dollars in debt per person, while they only averaged a $132 tax cut over the next six years. That results in a additional $7,230 dollars in debt per person. The middle 20% has an added debt of $6,929 per person. All this is occurring while the top 1% of the state will not have debt added, but will have $20,273 to the good. You must be crazy if you can tell me that doesn't benefit the rich. I guess my $100 in savings is really gonna help with the $7,000 in added debt my parents and I will have. You have to look at the whole picture to really understand the issue. The fact that McCain wants to make these tax cuts permenate really just ticks me off, lets just add more debt to the lower classes. If anyone knows their history they will know that the mal-distribution of wealth was a primary factor in the great depression. When all the money and benefits go to the rich, bad things happen.

http://www.ctj.org/bushtaxcuts.htm

These numbers are very similar across the country. People just think this money to fund these cuts comes from some magic bank that will never run out of money, and will never require us to pay it back. I thought Conservatives wanted to CONSERVE, not waste money to help the rich.


It's amazing how people only look at the numbers that support their opinion, while ignoring the future impact of these "tax cuts".

I don't have time to respond right now...but I will over the weekend. LOL, haven't seen anything this far out in left field in ages.:)

[PHS95]

Please show me where I said it only helped the rich, because I didn't say that. But his tax cuts did heavily favor the rich, while placing most of the tax burden on the middle and lower classes.

Lets really breakdown these tax cuts. In order to enact these cuts America had to BORROW money, which has significantly raised our national debt. Someone has to pay this debt off, and that includes us and our children. Here is some data on how the cuts affected Kentucky.

The lowest 20% of the income level had an additional $7,362 dollars in debt per person, while they only averaged a $132 tax cut over the next six years. That results in a additional $7,230 dollars in debt per person. The middle 20% has an added debt of $6,929 per person. All this is occurring while the top 1% of the state will not have debt added, but will have $20,273 to the good. You must be crazy if you can tell me that doesn't benefit the rich. I guess my $100 in savings is really gonna help with the $7,000 in added debt my parents and I will have. You have to look at the whole picture to really understand the issue. The fact that McCain wants to make these tax cuts permenate really just ticks me off, lets just add more debt to the lower classes. If anyone knows their history they will know that the mal-distribution of wealth was a primary factor in the great depression. When all the money and benefits go to the rich, bad things happen.

http://www.ctj.org/bushtaxcuts.htm

These numbers are very similar across the country. People just think this money to fund these cuts comes from some magic bank that will never run out of money, and will never require us to pay it back. I thought Conservatives wanted to CONSERVE, not waste money to help the rich.


It's amazing how people only look at the numbers that support their opinion, while ignoring the future impact of these "tax cuts".


Pardon, but I threw numbers out there that would shock some people who have been saying that Bush only cut taxes for the wealthy. The reasoning behind cutting taxes, of course, being that more dollars in our pockets would help to boost the economy. I don't know about you, but I personally CANNOT afford to do without the 3,000 dollars that Bush tax cuts put back in my pocket, so, YES I will support those numbers ANY day!

[Coach_Owens87]

I don't have time to respond right now...but I will over the weekend. LOL, haven't seen anything this far out in left field in ages.:)

Prove me wrong. Prove those numbers wrong! Show me how the tax cuts where fair to everyone, becuase they weren't. The BS average savings of over 1,000 per person are so skewed because the rich got such a huge break that it makes the average numbers look good for everyone, but in reality thats not true. It's well known, and documented that the bush tax cuts helped the rich!

Republicans think just using tax cuts will fix everything, but when their party is in office the deficit increases by an average of 2% per year, post ww2 democrats have decreased the deficit by an average of 1%. McCain's proposed tax cuts will cost us around 300 billion per year, is this really going to offset the deficit. McCain who once hated the bush tax cuts, now backs them, I guess pressure from the GOP forced him to do so. You always have to help your rich buddies. Here is a report from an ECONOMIST who says if McCain is elected expect tax cuts for the rich, and a huge deficit. It would be another 4 years of bush, and another four years with america heading straight down the toilet.
http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/budget_deficit/

Albert Einstein said that insanity is trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results. using this definition we could say that bush qualifies as being insane. Reagen tried "supply side economics" and lowered taxes on the wealthy. What happened you might ask? The national deficit quadrupled 12 years after it was in-acted, and the economy shrank by 2.2% (The worst performance since the great depression). Then Clinton came in and reversed the cuts that Regan had imposed, he raised taxes on the wealthy and cut them for the lowest wage earners. What happened then? Well lets see, interest rates fell by over 40% resulting in the greatest housing boom ever. Economic growth 4.0% per year, it was only 2.8% under the Bush 1/Reagen years. Instead of yearly deficits we had surpluses, which where used to help pay down the national debt.

So now Dubya comes in and re enacts the same BS supply side, trickle down economics. Over half of Bush's 1.6 trillion dollar tax cuts went to the wealthiest 1%. He promised this would create 800,000 new jobs. What really happened? America has lost 2.7 million jobs, the worst performance since the GREAT DEPRESSION.

This years budget deficit is already running at a pace that will double the record high of $413 billion in 2004. The tax cuts didn't work, Trickle down economics wont work, but Insane McCain thinks we can just try it again and good things will happen. Mr. Einstein thought different, and so do economist.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/12/national/main3822385.shtml

[Coach_Owens87]

Pardon, but I threw numbers out there that would shock some people who have been saying that Bush only cut taxes for the wealthy. The reasoning behind cutting taxes, of course, being that more dollars in our pockets would help to boost the economy. I don't know about you, but I personally CANNOT afford to do without the 3,000 dollars that Bush tax cuts put back in my pocket, so, YES I will support those numbers ANY day!

lol, have you been asleep for 8 years, the economy is collapasing, TRICKLE DOWN economics don't work. They didn't work for Reagan they wont work now.

And I don't know about you but my life sure the **** hasn't gotten easier under bush. Rising prices on energy, food,school tuition and the total collapse of the dollar has made that tiny tax cut you speak of meaningless, well unless you earn over 1 million a year. (P.S I dont make that much money, and I doubt you do either)

[PHS95]

Actually, NO, I obviously have NOT been asleep for 8 years and I can say nothing for the state of your life... I said that I, personally, cannot make due without the money I have been given back because of tax cuts. If you can, more power to you! Honestly, I don't know what the point of debating with someone who knows everything is.... I wish I were as omniscient as you seem to be, then I could hit the lottery next week and be one of those millionaires that get all the perks! :)

[DevilsWin]

Actually, NO, I obviously have NOT been asleep for 8 years and I can say nothing for the state of your life... I said that I, personally, cannot make due without the money I have been given back because of tax cuts. If you can, more power to you! Honestly, I don't know what the point of debating with someone who knows everything is.... I wish I were as omniscient as you seem to be, then I could hit the lottery next week and be one of those millionaires that get all the perks! :)
Here is the illusion. This isn't your money. It's China's money. And it's a loan. Bush actually suggested that using it for gas is a good idea. LOL Yeah, Give the hard working people 600 bucks of Chinese money so we can spend it in a couple weeks on Gas for Big Oil.

Come on now, who is Bush really looking out for? You, China or his Oil buddies?:rolleyes:

Please rank your choices in order.....

[DevilsWin]

To get back to John McCain.

Can any of you McCain supporters answer me why McCain hasn't endorsed the "New GI Bill"?

I thought he was "For The Troops"!

Guess I was wrong.................

[Coach_Owens87]

Here is the illusion. This isn't your money. It's China's money. And it's a loan. Bush actually suggested that using it for gas is a good idea. LOL Yeah, Give the hard working people 600 bucks of Chinese money so we can spend it in a couple weeks on Gas for Big Oil.

Come on now, who is Bush really looking out for? You, China or his Oil buddies?:rolleyes:

Please rank your choices in order.....


This is exactly what I was trying to tell everyone earlier. But they just looked over that part, I guess we can just magically get this money in order to enact these "tax cuts". It's kinda hard to get a country like china to listen to us when they practically own us.

[launchpad4]

I thought this thread was about McCain not Bush's tax rebates or big oil.

[Coach_Owens87]

I thought this thread was about McCain not Bush's tax rebates or big oil.

McCain wants to make the bush tax cuts permanent, thats how the thread got to this point.

[sherman14]

McCain wants to make the bush tax cuts permanent, thats how the thread got to this point.

If McCain makes the tax cuts permanent then America is screwed.

[vundy33]

....I can't stand democrats. So close-minded and set in their ways. You guys don't even want to stay on topic. This thread is about John McCain, not Bush. Get over yourselves, I'm sorry you guys have two horrible candidates running that don't have a chance against McCain, but it's your own faults.

[launchpad4]

....I can't stand democrats. So close-minded and set in their ways. You guys don't even want to stay on topic. This thread is about John McCain, not Bush. Get over yourselves, I'm sorry you guys have two horrible candidates running that don't have a chance against McCain, but it's your own faults.

I'll amen that!!

:Clap:

[Coach_Owens87]

....I can't stand democrats. So close-minded and set in their ways. You guys don't even want to stay on topic. This thread is about John McCain, not Bush. Get over yourselves, I'm sorry you guys have two horrible candidates running that don't have a chance against McCain, but it's your own faults.

You seem to be a very rude person, I can stand republicans, I get along with most people, but I just dont agree with 95% of what modern day republicans stand for.

lol, close minded. Close minded to me is when someone keeps trying the same thing over and over, without excepting help or input from other people, which is exactly what has happened over the last 8 years. Go look up "liberal" in the dictionary, the very definition of the word is "open minded".

Now I don't mind staying on topic, and I have tried to, the point about tax cuts is that McCain supports the bush tax cuts, which are horribly flawed, and have had disastrous results.

And I do think Obama has a chance against insane McCain, if you would stop watching Fox News you would see that there is more to Obama than reverend wright, and that a lot of people support him.

Why dont you stop making silly attacks and mention the reasons why you support McCain.

[sherman14]

I'll amen that!!

:Clap:

I'll Amen it to. Hillary or Obama have no chance against John McCain.

[More Cowbell]

Look at these stats and then tell me that Bush's tax cuts only helped the RICH:

Taxes under Clinton 1999 Taxes under Bush 2008
Single making 30K - tax $8,400 Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $14,000 Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $23,250 Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K - tax $16,800 Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $21,000 Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $38,750 Married making 125K - tax $31,250

Are these tax cuts for wealthy??? Someone making 30 grand is RICH??? Where did I miss this memo?!?

Both democratic candidates will return to the higher tax rates

It is amazing how many people that fall into the categories above think Bush is screwing them and Bill Clinton was the greatest President ever. If Obama or Hillary are elected, they both say they will repeal the Bush tax cuts and a good portion of the people that fall into the categories above can't wait for it to happen. This is like the movie The Sting with Paul Newman; you scam somebody out of some money and they don't even know what happened.


Excellent post, and a great illustration of how the tax cuts have helped the middle class.

I still don't see how someone can see these statistics and say that the tax cuts have placed more of a tax burden on the lower and middle classes. Are they even looking at the numbers? Probably not, just too busy thinking about some other wasteful government program that they can use to justify taking away more of my money. If they want to pay higher taxes, let them go ahead, but they need to get their hands out of my pocket.

And yes, of course the tax cuts helped the rich, an across-the-board cut helps everybody. No one is saying it didn't help them. But to say it didn't help the middle class is being biased and partisan.

[Coach_Owens87]

Excellent post, and a great illustration of how the tax cuts have helped the middle class.

I still don't see how someone can see these statistics and say that the tax cuts have placed more of a tax burden on the lower and middle classes. Are they even looking at the numbers? Probably not, just too busy thinking about some other wasteful government program that they can use to justify taking away more of my money. If they want to pay higher taxes, let them go ahead, but they need to get their hands out of my pocket.

And yes, of course the tax cuts helped the rich, an across-the-board cut helps everybody. No one is saying it didn't help them. But to say it didn't help the middle class is being biased and partisan.


They see it because we had to BORROW money to initiate these cuts, which has made the national deficit increase dramatically, and eventually we will have to pay it back, and the biggest burden of that will be on the lower and middle income levels in this country.

A congressional study discovered that the bush tax cuts did in fact favor the wealthy.

Here is a small excerpt from a report on that study.

President Bush's tax cuts since 2001 have shifted more of the tax burden from the nation's rich to middle-class families, according to a study released Friday by the Congressional Budget Office.

The tax rate declined across all income levels — but more so in the top brackets, the report said.

The study found that the effective tax rate for the top 1 percent of taxpayers dropped from 33 percent in 2001 to 26.7 percent this year, a decline of 19 percent. The middle 20 percent of taxpayers saw a decline of 4 percent.

The study, requested by congressional Democrats in May, quickly provided fodder for the presidential campaign over the fairness of more than $1 trillion in tax cuts Mr. Bush has pushed through Congress since taking office.

People in the top 20 percent of incomes, averaging $182,700 a year, saw their share of federal taxes decline from 65.3 percent of total payments in 2001 to 63.5 percent this year, according to the study by congressional budget analysts.

In contrast, middle-class taxpayers — with incomes ranging from $51,500 to $75,600 — bear a greater tax burden. Those making an average of $75,600 had the biggest jump in their share of taxes, from 18.5 percent of all payments in 2001 to 19.5 percent this year.

The tax cuts don't work, they haven't helped the economy, but yet McCain wants to make them permanent. IS that really what we need during a recession? Economists warned us when the cuts where passed, and they're telling us now that they don't work, yet McCain is too stubborn, or dumb to see it. And democrats are closed minded?


Its like I said that lower income classes are now bearing more of the burden, I NEVER said the tax cuts only decreased taxes on the rich, I just stated that they placed a greater, and unfair burden on the lower incomes.


Thats why I keep saying McCain will just be more of the same, just spit out crap about cutting taxes, while your destroy the environment, our economy, and the respect for our nation around the world.

[Coach_Owens87]

Table of Tax cuts




Lowest 20% $16,600 - $230 2.8%

Middle 20% $57,400 - $980 11.5%

Top 20% $ 203,700 -$4,890 59.9%

Top 1% $1,171,000 -$40,990 24.6%


http://www.cbpp.org/8-25-04tax.htm

The top 1% of the country got 25% of the tax cuts, and the top 20% got 60% of the tax cuts, but yet people say this didn't mainly benefit the rich.

The middle 20% only saved on average $980, not $4,000 as PHS95 post would lead you to believe (and would you please provide a link to those stats, or did you just make them up?). The tax cuts where so great for the wealthy that the average amount of tax cuts for the country where skewed to make it seem they where fair to everyone. Your a fool to think this fairly helped everyone, or let me rephrase that, you would be a blind partisan fool to think this really helped everyone!


But I guess some people think helping out those who dont need help is really the best thing for this country. McCain would not be a choice for change, he is just another man selling his presidency to the highest bidder.

[PHS95]

Here is the problem, you are looking at things in a short-sided manner! The people who make less money account for a smaller percentage of the total income in the country, thus skewing the numbers you are talking about.... ONCE AGAIN, SIMPLE MATH! 10% to someone making one million is much more than 10 percent to someone making 10 thousand!

And, this "loan" from the Chinese.... I thought you said that was for the stimulus payments, NOT tax cuts.... The Chinese didn't pay for me to keep money in MY pocket that I earned.... It does NOT work both ways....

McCain might keep these tax cuts, BRAVO! I applaud the effort to keep American money in AMERICAN pockets! If you want to tackle the national deficit issue, get tough on the benefits that illegal immigrants are partaking of (welfare, etc.) while not contributing to the taxes in our country.... don't blame hard-working Americans for wanting lower taxes instead of higher taxes for bigger government!

Additionally, I do not make things up.... there is no need, look for yourself, I think you and everyone else will find it enlightening!

www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html (https://ketsmail.us/exchange/AHicks-pike.staff.Pike/Inbox/FW:%20SOMETHING%20TO%20THINK%20ABOUT.EML/)

[PHS95]

Table of Tax cuts




Lowest 20% $16,600 - $230 2.8%

Middle 20% $57,400 - $980 11.5%

Top 20% $ 203,700 -$4,890 59.9%

Top 1% $1,171,000 -$40,990 24.6%


http://www.cbpp.org/8-25-04tax.htm

The top 1% of the country got 25% of the tax cuts, and the top 20% got 60% of the tax cuts, but yet people say this didn't mainly benefit the rich.

The middle 20% only saved on average $980, not $4,000 as PHS95 post would lead you to believe (and would you please provide a link to those stats, or did you just make them up?). The tax cuts where so great for the wealthy that the average amount of tax cuts for the country where skewed to make it seem they where fair to everyone. Your a fool to think this fairly helped everyone, or let me rephrase that, you would be a blind partisan fool to think this really helped everyone!


But I guess some people think helping out those who dont need help is really the best thing for this country. McCain would not be a choice for change, he is just another man selling his presidency to the highest bidder.

As anyone would be foolish to believe that either of the two democrats is not doing the same thing.... POLITICS, in general, is a viscious animal and it is ALWAYS about the money.

And, please, refrain from calling people foolish when folks disagree with you. It makes you look pretty short-sided, closed-minded, and childish!

[More Cowbell]

They see it because we had to BORROW money to initiate these cuts, which has made the national deficit increase dramatically, and eventually we will have to pay it back, and the biggest burden of that will be on the lower and middle income levels in this country.

Its like I said that lower income classes are now bearing more of the burden, I NEVER said the tax cuts only decreased taxes on the rich, I just stated that they placed a greater, and unfair burden on the lower incomes.


First off, from what do you base your assertion that the lower and middle income levels will face the greater burden in paying off national debt? I'd like to see some unbiased facts to support that.

Also, how can tax cuts place a greater burden on the lower incomes? Many lower income households don't have to pay any tax now, while many others are seeing more take-home pay from their income. Sounds to me like that's a lesser burden. And so what if the lower and middle income families are paying a higher percentage of the total tax? That's still based on a smaller tax base, which means that EVERYBODY gets more money in their pocket. And this is a bad thing?

It's just a difference of opinion, some people would say the government knows how best to spend MY money. I disagree, I think that I know best.

[More Cowbell]

Here is the problem, you are looking at things in a short-sided manner! The people who make less money account for a smaller percentage of the total income in the country, thus skewing the numbers you are talking about.... ONCE AGAIN, SIMPLE MATH! 10% to someone making one million is much more than 10 percent to someone making 10 thousand!

And, this "loan" from the Chinese.... I thought you said that was for the stimulus payments, NOT tax cuts.... The Chinese didn't pay for me to keep money in MY pocket that I earned.... It does NOT work both ways....

McCain might keep these tax cuts, BRAVO! I applaud the effort to keep American money in AMERICAN pockets! If you want to tackle the national deficit issue, get tough on the benefits that illegal immigrants are partaking of (welfare, etc.) while not contributing to the taxes in our country.... don't blame hard-working Americans for wanting lower taxes instead of higher taxes for bigger government!


Another excellent post, PHS95. You took the words right out of my mouth.

[PHS95]

Thank you, MoreCowbell.... It never ceases to amaze me that some people do not understand the basic principles of math!

[22lb Bass]

Where is CAVEMASTER... I always look forward to reading his/her post.

[DevilsWin]

Say what you want and site whatever you want, but I have been Married with no Children since 1991 and I haven't seen a tax refund since 1999!

I'm sick and tired of paying your bills!

[Coach_Owens87]

Here is the problem, you are looking at things in a short-sided manner! The people who make less money account for a smaller percentage of the total income in the country, thus skewing the numbers you are talking about.... ONCE AGAIN, SIMPLE MATH! 10% to someone making one million is much more than 10 percent to someone making 10 thousand!

And, this "loan" from the Chinese.... I thought you said that was for the stimulus payments, NOT tax cuts.... The Chinese didn't pay for me to keep money in MY pocket that I earned.... It does NOT work both ways....

McCain might keep these tax cuts, BRAVO! I applaud the effort to keep American money in AMERICAN pockets! If you want to tackle the national deficit issue, get tough on the benefits that illegal immigrants are partaking of (welfare, etc.) while not contributing to the taxes in our country.... don't blame hard-working Americans for wanting lower taxes instead of higher taxes for bigger government!


Additionally, I do not make things up.... there is no need, look for yourself, I think you and everyone else will find it enlightening!

www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html (https://ketsmail.us/exchange/AHicks-pike.staff.Pike/Inbox/FW:%20SOMETHING%20TO%20THINK%20ABOUT.EML/)


Obviously you cant do simple math, an average saving of $980 (Which is what the middle class received, is not 10% of 57,400 (Thier average income!) (It's 1.7% compared to 3.5% for the top 1 percent. Is that fair to everyone? I think not)

Tax cuts are great, but they should be fair for everyone, and their effect on the economy should be taken into account.

I thinks it fair that the hard working middle class should get just as much tax break, if not more, than the top 1%, but thats just my opinion, McCain and Bush dont see things this way.

Tax Foundation

Ive already checked out the site you mentioned, thier a right wing site who has been criticized for "misleading" information. These criticism have been around for over a decade. But the same can be said for the site I used, which some say is a left wing site.

And no one in thier right mind should applaud keeping the current tax cuts, they arent in full effect yet, but they have really hurt the economy.

Here are some links to prove this:

http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_snapshots_20051026

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2002006779_williams17.html

A couple links showing TAX CUTS WHERE MOSTLY FOR THE RICH!!!

http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/04/04/business/tax.php

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A61178-2004Aug12.html

http://money.cnn.com/2006/04/05/news/tax_cuts/index.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/08/washington/08tax.html

http://www.allbusiness.com/legal/tax-law-tax-incentives/5683071-1.html

[Coach_Owens87]

First off, from what do you base your assertion that the lower and middle income levels will face the greater burden in paying off national debt? I'd like to see some unbiased facts to support that.

Also, how can tax cuts place a greater burden on the lower incomes? Many lower income households don't have to pay any tax now, while many others are seeing more take-home pay from their income. Sounds to me like that's a lesser burden. And so what if the lower and middle income families are paying a higher percentage of the total tax? That's still based on a smaller tax base, which means that EVERYBODY gets more money in their pocket. And this is a bad thing?

It's just a difference of opinion, some people would say the government knows how best to spend MY money. I disagree, I think that I know best.


About 15 studies, some of which I mentioned in my last post.

PHS95 used a known right wing site to support his/her opinion, dont you think it's hypocritical to ask me to use an "unbaised" site when you are supporting someone who used a known biased site?

[The Fan]

The problem I see in general is that people are raised to believe that republicans are evil around here. People should vote based on issues, not party lines!
They are evil for trying to repeal prevailing wages and making this a right to work state. i.e.[ your last Gov. ] which basically takes away your right to collective bargaining . If had the chance dont think for one minute McCain wont do the same if elected . This is one of the issuesI have with the republican party which is very anti - union.

[PHS95]

About 15 studies, some of which I mentioned in my last post.

PHS95 used a known right wing site to support his/her opinion, dont you think it's hypocritical to ask me to use an "unbaised" site when you are supporting someone who used a known biased site?

As you used a KNOWN LIBERAL policy site to prove yours.... drop it.... this argument is tiresome. And for you to say that I can't do simple math is absurd.... I have proven myself to be logical and intelligent. Let's agree to disagree and move on!

[Coach_Owens87]

As you used a KNOWN LIBERAL policy site to prove yours.... drop it.... this argument is tiresome. And for you to say that I can't do simple math is absurd.... I have proven myself to be logical and intelligent. Let's agree to disagree and move on!

Umm yeah, I think I admitted to that.

As far as your math, it didnt hold up with your numbers. (The taxes weren't cut equally)

Anyone with a working brain knows that if tax's where cut equally for everyone, the people making more money would see a larger tax cut, that isnt what happened though. According to my source there was no 10% cut, except for the top 1 % percent ( Cheney got an 18% tax cut, while the bottom 20% got around a 2% cut).

According to your site a single making 35K got a 46% tax cut, while a married couple got a 19% tax cut. these numbers dont hold up with other study ive read. (and those numbers are not 10%, as you stated.

and yes we should drop the subject, and start talking about the other things McCain would do wrong/right if elected.

[PHS95]

I was using 10 percent as an example, not a rote number.... so, no, those numbers would not hold up as I was simply stating an example, not reality!

"Other studies" are patently liberal or conservative. The information I provided is the average numbers, nationally, for the past several decades, not a study that seeks to skew the results. If you don't like McCain, there is not a thing I can do to change that, but, just as you tell others to stop watching Fox News for info, maybe you should open up to other sources that are more balanced than the liberal media and policy outlets that you tend to frequent! I, personally, feel that, given the current three options, McCain is BY FAR the lesser of the evils, and I am entitled to my opinion as you are to yours!

[Coach_Owens87]

I was using 10 percent as an example, not a rote number.... so, no, those numbers would not hold up as I was simply stating an example, not reality!

"Other studies" are patently liberal or conservative. The information I provided is the average numbers, nationally, for the past several decades, not a study that seeks to skew the results. If you don't like McCain, there is not a thing I can do to change that, but, just as you tell others to stop watching Fox News for info, maybe you should open up to other sources that are more balanced than the liberal media and policy outlets that you tend to frequent! I, personally, feel that, given the current three options, McCain is BY FAR the lesser of the evils, and I am entitled to my opinion as you are to yours!

Are you sure about that? do some research and look at how tax foundation gets their numbers! Their results are often skewed.


My sources

Last time I checked I was the one who posted several sites, you just posted ONE site for your info, which is a conservative think tank. So I believe you are the one who needs to "open up" to other sources.

I am open to all sources, I looked at the tax foundations numbers when I was researching, but their numbers didnt hold up to all the other studies and stats released from other organizations. (Most of which claimed to be by-partisan, just like the tax foundations does) So I decided to go with numbers from the CBPP, CNN, CBS, several independent studies, and a study by congress, all of which said the tax cuts heavily favored the wealthy, while placing a heavier tax burden on the lowest incomes. Which is one of the reasons why we are heading toward another depression, mal-distribution of wealth was the major cause of the great depression, and it's leading us into another one.


Fox news is a totally different story, they use every chance possible to smear anyone who disagrees with the conservatives. And they do it by lying on a daily basis to make themselves, and McCain look better.




But lets move on to McCain.

Why do you like/dislike the man?

[Old School]

Here is the problem, you are looking at things in a short-sided manner! The people who make less money account for a smaller percentage of the total income in the country, thus skewing the numbers you are talking about.... ONCE AGAIN, SIMPLE MATH! 10% to someone making one million is much more than 10 percent to someone making 10 thousand!

And, this "loan" from the Chinese.... I thought you said that was for the stimulus payments, NOT tax cuts.... The Chinese didn't pay for me to keep money in MY pocket that I earned.... It does NOT work both ways....

McCain might keep these tax cuts, BRAVO! I applaud the effort to keep American money in AMERICAN pockets! If you want to tackle the national deficit issue, get tough on the benefits that illegal immigrants are partaking of (welfare, etc.) while not contributing to the taxes in our country.... don't blame hard-working Americans for wanting lower taxes instead of higher taxes for bigger government!

Additionally, I do not make things up.... there is no need, look for yourself, I think you and everyone else will find it enlightening!

www.taxfoundation.org/publications/show/151.html (https://ketsmail.us/exchange/AHicks-pike.staff.Pike/Inbox/FW:%20SOMETHING%20TO%20THINK%20ABOUT.EML/)




Good point about the cost of benefits being paid to illegal immigrants. I read an article about this the other day and it said that between medicaid, food assistance prograns such as food stamps ,WIC, school lunches, welfare, money spent to incarcerate illegal aliens and other monies being spent on illegal aliens cost the US taxpayers over 300 Billion Dollars per year.

[PHS95]

You see it as lying, some of us see it as balancing out the overabundance of liberal media sources.... to each his own. I was raised to look at issues and decide on the best candidate for the job. In this case, I will take McCain as I have no respect for either of the other two candidates. The reasons are too varied and in depth to go into in this instance, so I will refrain. When faced with the choice this November, I will choose McCain.

OldSchool, I also have found it staggering that people who are screeching over the cost of war have yet to note that we spend more money per anum on illegal immigrants who send more than half of their money to their home country and often do not continue to the country's tax base! It truly is appalling to think of the amount of benefits we afford people who are not willing to learn our language or positively contribute a portion of their earnings the way that we have to!