Do you believe America is ready for a black president, or a woman president.

[sherman14]

I just wanted to kno your opinions on this to:thumpsup: pic.

[Coach_Owens87]

Why didnt you put both as an option? You had neither, I think it would only be fair to have both as a choice too!

[Midee1]

Why didnt you put both as an option? You had neither, I think it would only be fair to have both as a choice too!

Fixed

[Coach_Owens87]

Fixed

Thanks

[RammsteinFan92]

I just wanted to kno your opinions on this to:thumpsup: pic.

i think were ready for both because if were not now we'll never be because with have been a country for over 200 years surely this country can be lead by a Woman or Black President i mean a mentally retarded person has ran our country fo the past 8 years why can't they! :)

[TidesHoss32]

You are wrong. Lyndon B. Johnson ran the country from '63 until '68. Johnson made Bush look like a rocket scientist. i think were ready for both because if were not now we'll never be because with have been a country for over 200 years surely this country can be lead by a Woman or Black President i mean a mentally retarded person has ran our country fo the past 8 years why can't they! :)

[Midee1]

i think were ready for both because if were not now we'll never be because with have been a country for over 200 years surely this country can be lead by a Woman or Black President i mean a mentally retarded person has ran our country fo the past 8 years why can't they! :)

Maybe you should step up to the plate and see if you can do the job any better.

Everyone can sit back and criticize the way almost anyone does a job but in my opinion until you step into their shoes and see what all a particular job consists of you have no right to complain.

Remember hindsight is 20/20

[TidesHoss32]

:thumpsup: Great postMaybe you should step up to the plate and see if you can do the job any better.

Everyone can sit back and criticize the way almost anyone does a job but in my opinion until you step into their shoes and see what all a particular job consists of you have no right to complain.

Remember hindsight is 20/20

[RammsteinFan92]

Maybe you should step up to the plate and see if you can do the job any better.

Everyone can sit back and criticize the way almost anyone does a job but in my opinion until you step into their shoes and see what all a particular job consists of you have no right to complain.

Remember hindsight is 20/20

i know what the job pertains my life basically revovles around politics and all BUSH has done is lie to us...i did think it was right for us to go into afghanastan (or however you spell it...lol) but not iraq cause saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and because of bush we have spent like 500 billion dollars on this pointless war were in....but if you want to support BUSH go right ahead but you shouldn't critcize me over what i think

[RammsteinFan92]

You are wrong. Lyndon B. Johnson ran the country from '63 until '68. Johnson made Bush look like a rocket scientist.

Yea but johnson helped out eastern kentucky with the programs he set up...which i know your not gonna like cause your a hardcore Rep.

[TidesHoss32]

Pointless war? Ever heard of the Vietnam War? The one John F. Kennedy basically put us in, Johnson kept us in, and eventually costing over 58,000 men their lives, while being basically the first president to place rules on warfare? Try telling 58,000 families what a great job Johnson did. And, Johnson did very little, if anything for Eastern Kentucky except telling everybody how poor we are. Give me a list of things he DID, not SAID he'd do. I'll be waiting. i know what the job pertains my life basically revovles around politics and all BUSH has done is lie to us...i did think it was right for us to go into afghanastan (or however you spell it...lol) but not iraq cause saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and because of bush we have spent like 500 billion dollars on this pointless war were in....but if you want to support BUSH go right ahead but you shouldn't critcize me over what i think

[Midee1]

i know what the job pertains my life basically revovles around politics and all BUSH has done is lie to us...i did think it was right for us to go into afghanastan (or however you spell it...lol) but not iraq cause saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and because of bush we have spent like 500 billion dollars on this pointless war were in....but if you want to support BUSH go right ahead but you shouldn't critcize me over what i think

I know what professional football involves because in the fall my life revolves around it. Does that mean that I could step in and play the game?

I never said that I supported Bush and I never once criticized you over what you think. I merely stated that if you knew so much about the position feel free to step in and do it better. I have worked with the public for about 20 years now and it never fails to amaze me the number of people that think they can do someone else's job better.

[RammsteinFan92]

I know what professional football involves because in the fall my life revolves around it. Does that mean that I could step in and play the game?

I never said that I supported Bush and I never once criticized you over what you think. I merely stated that if you knew so much about the position feel free to step in and do it better. I have worked with the public for about 20 years now and it never fails to amaze me the number of people that think they can do someone else's job better.

well i haven't had the chance to step up and take office but i would try my best the only reason i don't like him is that he has lied to the american citizens before such as linking saddam hussein to 9/11 among other things if i had the chance to become president i'd step up and do it...and not lie to get into a war...sorry if i offened you in my relpy to your reply to me cause looking back i was acting like a butthole :D

[RammsteinFan92]

Pointless war? Ever heard of the Vietnam War? The one John F. Kennedy basically put us in, Johnson kept us in, and eventually costing over 58,000 men their lives, while being basically the first president to place rules on warfare? Try telling 58,000 families what a great job Johnson did. And, Johnson did very little, if anything for Eastern Kentucky except telling everybody how poor we are. Give me a list of things he DID, not SAID he'd do. I'll be waiting.

i know who started the war and i agree with you Vietnam was pointless and has a lot of simmilarites and i'm not trying to say that the democrats have no faults because they do....but anyway heres the things he did with The Great Society...

1.Civil rights
2.War on Poverty (funds were cut some after future rep. got into office NOT Being Partisan Just saying
3.Education
4.Health
*Medicare*
*Medicaid*
5.National endowments for arts and humanities
6.Public broadcasting
7.Cultural centers
8.Transportation
9.Consumer protection
10.Environment

*Clear Air, Water Quality and Clean Water Restoration Acts and Amendments
Wilderness Act of 1964,*
*Endangered Species Preservation Act of 1966,*
*National Trails System Act of 1968,*
*Wild and Scenic Rivers Act of 1968,*
*Land and Water Conservation Act of 1965,*
*Solid Waste Disposal Act of 1965,*
*Motor Vehicle Air Pollution Control Act of 1965,*
*National Historic Preservation Act of 1966,*
*Aircraft Noise Abatement Act of 1968, and
National Environmental Policy Act of 1969.*

So He didn't do anything Huh?

[vundy33]

Neither...

[TidesHoss32]

Well, while your calling Bush mentally handicapped and praising the worst president in the history of the United States, (he didnt create Civil Rights, education, health, consumer protection, transportation, public broadcasting, etc), grab a bowl (or 8) of popcorn and read Bush's ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
http://boycottliberalism.com/Bush.htmi know who started the war and i agree with you Vietnam was pointless and has a lot of simmilarites and i'm not trying to say that the democrats have no faults because they do....but anyway heres the things he did with The Great Society...

1.Civil rights
2.War on Poverty (funds were cut some after future rep. got into office NOT Being Partisan Just saying
3.Education
4.Health
*Medicare*
*Medicaid*
5.National endowments for arts and humanities
6.Public broadcasting
7.Cultural centers
8.Transportation
9.Consumer protection
10.Environment

*Clear Air, Water Quality and Clean Water Restoration Acts and Amendments
Wilderness Act of 1964,*
*Endangered Species Preservation Act of 1966,*
*National Trails System Act of 1968,*
*Wild and Scenic Rivers Act of 1968,*
*Land and Water Conservation Act of 1965,*
*Solid Waste Disposal Act of 1965,*
*Motor Vehicle Air Pollution Control Act of 1965,*
*National Historic Preservation Act of 1966,*
*Aircraft Noise Abatement Act of 1968, and
National Environmental Policy Act of 1969.*

So He didn't do anything Huh?

[TidesHoss32]

And about Nixon,
In 1942 Nixon joined the navy. He rose from lieutenant junior grade to lieutenant commander, he served in Pacific, primarily in Logistics.

President Nixon's initial major foreign policy focus was on ending the War in Vietnam. He followed a dual track, on one hand decreasing direct American involvement in the fighting by Vietnamization- turning over more and more of the ground fighting directly to the Vietnamese. Simultaneously the fighting was expanded to neighboring Cambodia to destroy North Vietnamese sanctuaries.

While the war was going on Nixon's national security advisor Henry Kissinger was involved in negotiations to end the war. In January 1973 the United States and North Vietnam signed a peace treaty. Under whose terms there was a cease-fire, return of American prisoners of war, continued presence of US civilian advisors, and a process toward reaching a final peace agreement.

Nixon pursued two major and related foreign policy objectives while President. He pioneered the opening of American relations with China. This effort culminated in a visit that he undertook to China in February 1972. Simultaneously Nixon pursued a policy that called detente with the Soviet Union. This was a policy that was designed to find ways despite the difference between the United States and the Soviets to work together to reduce tension and coexist. The high point in the detente process was the signing of the SALT I (Strategic Arms Limitation Talks) treaty during Nixon's visit to Moscow in May 1972.

Nixon's most notable domestic action were economic. In 1971 Nixon imposed a wage price freeze to combat inflation. Simultaneously he removed the United States from the gold standard. The freeze was removed after 90 days to be replaced by complex system of wage price controls. Almost all controls were removed by the end of 1973.

The National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) was signed into law on January 1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_1), 1970 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970) by Nixon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Nixon). The focus of the law was the establishment of a U.S. national policy promoting the enhancement of the environment, but its most significant effect was to establish the requirement for environmental impact statements (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_statement) (EISs) for major U.S. federal government actions.

As president, Nixon imposed wage and price controls, indexed Social Security for inflation, and created Supplemental Security Income (SSI). The number of pages added to the Federal Register each year doubled under Nixon. He advocated gun control and eradicated the last remnants of the gold standard. Nixon created the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) and implemented the Philadelphia Plan, the first significant federal affirmative action program. As a party leader, Nixon helped build the GOP.

Oh by the way, his presidency also included the end of the military draft and included over 40 ant-crime laws with tougher punishment to the offenders.

[RammsteinFan92]

Well, while your calling Bush mentally handicapped and praising the worst president in the history of the United States, (he didnt create Civil Rights, education, health, consumer protection, transportation, public broadcasting, etc), grab a bowl (or 8) of popcorn and read Bush's ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
http://boycottliberalism.com/Bush.htm

lol....so you try to prove my wrong with a website called Boycott Liberalism...who are you?? ann coulter?..lol....that wsebnsite is obviously so bi-partsan it's not funny find me a non-partisan website and show me things he did not some stupid Democrat Liberal hateing site:Angry07:

[TidesHoss32]

it may indeed be a non-liberal sight, but those are all FACTS. I was pointing that out because those were the type of accomplishments you named for Johnson. :rolleyes: lol....so you try to prove my wrong with a website called Boycott Liberalism...who are you?? ann coulter?..lol....that wsebnsite is obviously so bi-partsan it's not funny find me a non-partisan website and show me things he did not some stupid Democrat Liberal hateing site:Angry07:

[vundy33]

i know what the job pertains my life basically revovles around politics and all BUSH has done is lie to us...i did think it was right for us to go into afghanastan (or however you spell it...lol) but not iraq cause saddam had nothing to do with 9/11 and because of bush we have spent like 500 billion dollars on this pointless war were in....but if you want to support BUSH go right ahead but you shouldn't critcize me over what i think

Man, You have no idea what you're talking about. Study up.

[thecavemaster]

Man, You have no idea what you're talking about. Study up.

Johnson and Nixon were flawed men, just like the rest of the human race. Paying lip service to the Constitution, not practicing the undergirdings of freedom and justice and democracy for fear of losing the Presidency, an inability to be self critical, these are the things that made Nixon's actions in "the cover up" a little more troubling than some.

[Coach_Owens87]

Well, while your calling Bush mentally handicapped and praising the worst president in the history of the United States, (he didnt create Civil Rights, education, health, consumer protection, transportation, public broadcasting, etc), grab a bowl (or 8) of popcorn and read Bush's ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
http://boycottliberalism.com/Bush.htm


lol, you use that site for facts. Hilarious. You jump all over me for using environmental sites that you claim are "far left" but it's ok for you to use sites that are obviously far right wing? Sounds to me like youre being very hipocritical.

Anyways,I was taking a look at thier conservative hall of fame and and list of conservatives to support, the list is laughable. Bill O'rielly was in the hall of fame, which kills the list. They also had Fred BArnes among people to support, and since you where talking about pointless wars, I think you should see this Fred Barnes quote
"That's true too. And that backwater of geo-strategical importance, really, is more important than Iraq? This country right in the middle of the Middle East, a strategically important country with all this oil? If we lose, it we lose everything. Afghanistan won't even matter then at all."
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/04/27/blood_for_oil_fred_barnes_says_so.php#more

So A guy who your site strongly supports says the war was for Oil? Doesnt sound good for Bush, who said it wasnt for Oil. This list of Accomplishments for bush are so laughable, as most historians agree he is the worst president in history. I think I will take historians word over some nut-cases from some right wing site.

98% of the historians in this poll viewed him as a failure, and the majority of them ranked him as the worst president ever!
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/04/hbc-90002804

[TidesHoss32]

You TOTALLY missed the entire point of it. I KNOW that it was a right wing site, and I know it was laughable. It was a bunch of biased and useless facts on an anti-democratic sight. Yes Coach, 2 points for you. Do you honestly think I would use that as a valid reference? I was just pointing out to another poster (as I plainly mentioned) on here that a list of accomplishments can be distorted (as I blatently pointed out earlier). I was letting him know that just because his name on something or an act, or that he was in attendance for an important meeting doesnt mean he gets all credit for it. Try reading the earlier posts before you jump to conclusions. Read the Nixon post to see if you want to see how I debate. Read the post you replied to, to see my point on how great Bush is in the eyes of some. lol, you use that site for facts. Hilarious. You jump all over me for using environmental sites that you claim are "far left" but it's ok for you to use sites that are obviously far right wing? Sounds to me like youre being very hipocritical.

Anyways,I was taking a look at thier conservative hall of fame and and list of conservatives to support, the list is laughable. Bill O'rielly was in the hall of fame, which kills the list. They also had Fred BArnes among people to support, and since you where talking about pointless wars, I think you should see this Fred Barnes quote
"That's true too. And that backwater of geo-strategical importance, really, is more important than Iraq? This country right in the middle of the Middle East, a strategically important country with all this oil? If we lose, it we lose everything. Afghanistan won't even matter then at all."
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/04/27/blood_for_oil_fred_barnes_says_so.php#more

So A guy who your site strongly supports says the war was for Oil? Doesnt sound good for Bush, who said it wasnt for Oil. This list of Accomplishments for bush are so laughable, as most historians agree he is the worst president in history. I think I will take historians word over some nut-cases from some right wing site.

98% of the historians in this poll viewed him as a failure, and the majority of them ranked him as the worst president ever!
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/04/hbc-90002804

[TidesHoss32]

And by the way, George W. Bush is nowhere close to being the worst president ever. That honor will always belong to Lyndon Baines Johnson. Rank Bush anywhere you want, but reserve #1 for LBJ.

[DevilsWin]

Well, while your calling Bush mentally handicapped and praising the worst president in the history of the United States, (he didnt create Civil Rights, education, health, consumer protection, transportation, public broadcasting, etc), grab a bowl (or 8) of popcorn and read Bush's ACCOMPLISHMENTS.
http://boycottliberalism.com/Bush.htm

From the website I was able to gather that before September 11, 2001 all he did was proclaim, speek, declare, meet and recognize. Not many Acts! Kinda looks like he was on vacation the whole time except for 1 meeting with Vicente Fox.
That's pretty much all he did before 9/11.

[thecavemaster]

And by the way, George W. Bush is nowhere close to being the worst president ever. That honor will always belong to Lyndon Baines Johnson. Rank Bush anywhere you want, but reserve #1 for LBJ.

The consensus of historical viewpoint renders your opinion a highly personal one.

[Coach_Owens87]

it may indeed be a non-liberal sight, but those are all FACTS. I was pointing that out because those were the type of accomplishments you named for Johnson. :rolleyes:

If I used a site for reference and then said everything on that site where facts, I would probably being using it as a valid reference! Not once in that post did you say it was from a far right, anti-democratic site. Non-Liberal and Pro right bs are two different things.

In your previous post I could gather that you where trying to defend President Nixon over Lyndon B. Johnson (Both where bad presidents), and then you used a site with FACTS about President Bush, to make a point that all presidents have done some good things, no matter how horrible an overall job they done.


I seen how you debate tidehoss, you copy and paste from wikipedia or some far right wing site, thats not debating, thats just rhetoric.

[Coach_Owens87]

And yes I think America is ready for both a Black president and a woman president. I dont think either of them will fair to well in Ky during the general election (Too much racism and sexist opinions still float around here), but I believe America is ready for a change, we've suffered through 8 years of the horrible policies of bush, and we sure don't need 4 more of them with Mccain.

[RammsteinFan92]

Thanks For The People Who Are Actually On My Side Instead Of Attacking Me Like People Usally Do!.

[RammsteinFan92]

And yes I think America is ready for both a Black president and a woman president. I dont think either of them will fair to well in Ky during the general election (Too much racism and sexist opinions still float around here), but I believe America is ready for a change, we've suffered through 8 years of the horrible policies of bush, and we sure don't need 4 more of them with Mccain.

Coach That Is a Wonderful Post! :Clap: :thumpsup:

[RammsteinFan92]

And by the way, George W. Bush is nowhere close to being the worst president ever. That honor will always belong to Lyndon Baines Johnson. Rank Bush anywhere you want, but reserve #1 for LBJ.

Of Course your not going to like him becuase he started welfare and i know how much Conservatives hate Welfare...lol:)

[Beef]

Thanks For The People Who Are Actually On My Side Instead Of Attacking Me Like People Usally Do!.I am surprised that you feel people are usually against you. As others have said, most people in EKY (the majority of those who currently post on this board) are taught to hate Republicans. And if you look, there are many strong Democrats on here that battle it out with Republicans on a daily basis.

This is why I love politics. If you are ever bored, you can always find something to argue about. :) But never change anyone's mind.

[Beef]

Of Course your not going to like him becuase he started welfare and i know how much Conservatives hate Welfare...lol:)
Do all conservatives hate welfare? I for one (who considers myself a conservative) support welfare just not the way that it is currently ran. I think there needs to be MUCH stricter governance to keep those off of it that abuse it or use money to buy drugs and other nonessentials (tobacco, alcohol, basically anything other than food, clothing, and shelter)

[TidesHoss32]

I copy and paste everything I research. JUST LIKE YOU and your anti-coal arguments. And since it all flew over your head, I should have known it would have been too hard to understand what I was talking about beforehand, so read slowly: I KNOW IT WAS FROM A NON-LIBERAL SITE. I put it on here so Rammstein could see that "accomplishments" could be distorted from various different sites on the web. Anything I copy and paste FOR DEBATE will be straight forward facts, and FYI, my research for whatever spills much further than wilkipedia. Everything you post on here is rhetoric. And you blast me because the point I made was true? I dont say MUCH when you post something from saynotocoal.com and claim its all valid, when its your pot smoking hippie idiot buddies making stuff up. Just like I dont (or didnt rather) expect you to believe I tried to use that boycot liberal site as a reference piece. Jeez man, I know we dont agree with well, anything, and we probably wouldnt like each other if we met in person, but even I wouldnt throw this in your face. But then again, I would have understood what you were trying to do in the first place. Especially after I friggin explained it to you already. And then you call Nixon a bad president. Unbelievable. I could have let everything else slide, but you had to throw that **** in there. If I used a site for reference and then said everything on that site where facts, I would probably being using it as a valid reference! Not once in that post did you say it was from a far right, anti-democratic site. Non-Liberal and Pro right bs are two different things.

In your previous post I could gather that you where trying to defend President Nixon over Lyndon B. Johnson (Both where bad presidents), and then you used a site with FACTS about President Bush, to make a point that all presidents have done some good things, no matter how horrible an overall job they done.


I seen how you debate tidehoss, you copy and paste from wikipedia or some far right wing site, thats not debating, thats just rhetoric.

[TidesHoss32]

Good post. A lot of people on welfare HAVE to live on welfare just to make ends meet for their families. With the increasing cost of living, rising fuel costs, etc. it makes it very difficult for a family of three or four to barely get by or make it on 9 or 10 dollar/hour jobs, not to mention those that work for close to the minimum wage. Ridding society of welfare is not the answer, however I agree with you that there should be somekind of way that the government sees how that money is being spent. Do all conservatives hate welfare? I for one (who considers myself a conservative) support welfare just not the way that it is currently ran. I think there needs to be MUCH stricter governance to keep those off of it that abuse it or use money to buy drugs and other nonessentials (tobacco, alcohol, basically anything other than food, clothing, and shelter)

[TidesHoss32]

It has nothing to do with welfare. He kept us in a country we had no business being in fighting a war that eventually cost 58,000+ men their lives. Not to mention his cutting law enforcement funds. Starting welfare was one actually one of the good things he done. It was started for all the right reasons, and over time, its been severly abused. Of Course your not going to like him becuase he started welfare and i know how much Conservatives hate Welfare...lol:)

[Coach_Owens87]

I copy and paste everything I research. JUST LIKE YOU and your anti-coal arguments. And since it all flew over your head, I should have known it would have been too hard to understand what I was talking about beforehand, so read slowly: I KNOW IT WAS FROM A NON-LIBERAL SITE. I put it on here so Rammstein could see that "accomplishments" could be distorted from various different sites on the web. Anything I copy and paste FOR DEBATE will be straight forward facts, and FYI, my research for whatever spills much further than wilkipedia. Everything you post on here is rhetoric. And you blast me because the point I made was true? I dont say MUCH when you post something from saynotocoal.com and claim its all valid, when its your pot smoking hippie idiot buddies making stuff up. Just like I dont (or didnt rather) expect you to believe I tried to use that boycot liberal site as a reference piece. Jeez man, I know we dont agree with well, anything, and we probably wouldnt like each other if we met in person, but even I wouldnt throw this in your face. But then again, I would have understood what you were trying to do in the first place. Especially after I friggin explained it to you already. And then you call Nixon a bad president. Unbelievable. I could have let everything else slide, but you had to throw that **** in there.


Well god forbid I call Nixon a bad president. Shame on me.

And now you go back to calling the site non-liberal, I thought it was biased, and useless. Why go back to calling it non-liberal? There are a lot of non-liberal sites that have good info, but that site would not be defined as "non-liberal", I think right wing propaganda would be more approaite.

I dont copy and paste everything, most of the stuff I type is just from my knowledge, I may pull some indirect quotes from sites, but I rarely copy and paste. It's easy to tell when you do though, your sentence structure is horrible, so when I see a nice, neat, correctly written paragraph, I know it's copied.

It's kinda cute when you get mad and start calling people names. My hippie pot smoking buddies, lol, classic. The stuff I post comes from scientist, but you probably wouldn't know anything about that since you have no knowledge in the subject. Im very confident that what I believe in is the truth, and I have the science and knowledge to back up what I say, but we arent talking about mining here.


In your last post you blast LBJ for fighting a pointless war, directly after defending Bush???? That just dont make sense, if you don't like pointless wars, you should blast both guys. Wait, I forgot, this war is for Oil, so I guess it's not pointless to the heartless neo-cons who sent us into Iraq. And I didnt say that war was for oil, the conservative Hero Fred Barnes gets that honor.

You also say that Bush isnt the worst president ever, and I know that conservatives hold on to the hope that History will view Bush favorably, well that isnt going to happen. Ive stated this before, but 61% of historians in a recent poll viewed Bush as the worst president ever, 96% put him in the bottom 10. Just 4 years ago, a poll done by the same group showed that only 11% viewed bush as the worst ever. I guess you should be happy that his numbers are climbing in a poll.

http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html



Another recent poll had Dubya as the worst president, followed by ...... you guessed it Richard Nixon. So you have been defending the two worst presidents in history, nice.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/06/01/the_worst.html


So we are coming off of the worst presidency in history, and the issue people bring up is "are we ready for a black man, or a woman to run this country". All I have to say is that we have already seen the worst, so things have to get better. Which is why America is ready for change, and McCain is not it.

[TidesHoss32]

My sentence structure is horrible? WTF is this? Seventh grade? And your 21 years old, you calling that "knowledge" is garbage. What, you never researched anything, you already knew it? May not believe this, but I'd put my knowledge about any subject other than MTR up against you, and wouldnt hesitate to debate about anything. Strike using the internet. And yeah, I called your buddies a bunch of pot smoking hippies. They are. Youve been to those MTR meetings..anyways, back to the subject. People like you would never understand that this war ISNT about oil, so trying to explain it to someone as yourself is in itself, pointless. You continually point out that "historians" say that Bush is the worst president of all time. Why dont YOU make your own assumption on why he's so bad. Not what everybody else tells you. This war is all for oil? Does the people of Iraq not deserve the same freedoms we in America have? In my opinion, if people like you got everything you wanted, this country would flat out shut down in no time flat. OK, pull us out of Iraq, and let us forget about 9/11, because we'll be living it everyday. Know what I LIKE about Bush? When one of the trade towers got bombed in '93 and killed 6 people, I believe, what was done about it? Under your democrats' hero, Bill Clinton? How many times did we have the oppurtunity to kill Bin Laden under Clinton? A military sharpshooter had him in the crosshairs 7 or 8 times, if Im not mistaken (Ill have to look it up in wilkipedia), and thats a lot of times 9/11 would have been prevented. But wait, I'll bet you think Bush was the cause of 9/11. Just like he started WWI, WWII, and the holocaust, right? You may not like Bush, but if he tells you he's gonna do something, you can set your clock by it. How many terrorist attacks (and I'll say this as simple as I can make it for you: The terrorists, not Bush, attacked America because they dont like us) have we had since? I, like a lot of Americans believed we should have went over there. Do I agree with everything we've done or handled the war? Absolutely not. Have I sat here and applauded Bush for everything? Absolutely not. Do I like Bush? Absolutely not. But I dont regret my votes for him. I'd take him over your hero Al Gore, and I'd definitely take him over John Kerry any day of the week. And comparing Vietnam to Iraq is even by your standards, flat out ridiculous. At least we had a reason to be in Iraq. Any reason at all you can come up with is better than the ones that had when we sent 58,000 men to the slaughter and told them not to shoot under Johnson. And, since your 21 and know everything, Im curious, why do you call Nixon a bad president. And dont listen to your democrat buddies who dont want to talk about anything other than Watergate. From your own words and research. Well god forbid I call Nixon a bad president. Shame on me.

And now you go back to calling the site non-liberal, I thought it was biased, and useless. Why go back to calling it non-liberal? There are a lot of non-liberal sites that have good info, but that site would not be defined as "non-liberal", I think right wing propaganda would be more approaite.

I dont copy and paste everything, most of the stuff I type is just from my knowledge, I may pull some indirect quotes from sites, but I rarely copy and paste. It's easy to tell when you do though, your sentence structure is horrible, so when I see a nice, neat, correctly written paragraph, I know it's copied.

It's kinda cute when you get mad and start calling people names. My hippie pot smoking buddies, lol, classic. The stuff I post comes from scientist, but you probably wouldn't know anything about that since you have no knowledge in the subject. Im very confident that what I believe in is the truth, and I have the science and knowledge to back up what I say, but we arent talking about mining here.


In your last post you blast LBJ for fighting a pointless war, directly after defending Bush???? That just dont make sense, if you don't like pointless wars, you should blast both guys. Wait, I forgot, this war is for Oil, so I guess it's not pointless to the heartless neo-cons who sent us into Iraq. And I didnt say that war was for oil, the conservative Hero Fred Barnes gets that honor.

You also say that Bush isnt the worst president ever, and I know that conservatives hold on to the hope that History will view Bush favorably, well that isnt going to happen. Ive stated this before, but 61% of historians in a recent poll viewed Bush as the worst president ever, 96% put him in the bottom 10. Just 4 years ago, a poll done by the same group showed that only 11% viewed bush as the worst ever. I guess you should be happy that his numbers are climbing in a poll.

http://hnn.us/articles/48916.html



Another recent poll had Dubya as the worst president, followed by ...... you guessed it Richard Nixon. So you have been defending the two worst presidents in history, nice.

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2006/06/01/the_worst.html


So we are coming off of the worst presidency in history, and the issue people bring up is "are we ready for a black man, or a woman to run this country". All I have to say is that we have already seen the worst, so things have to get better. Which is why America is ready for change, and McCain is not it.

[TidesHoss32]

lol..I love how you use polls without using your own words or research in an argument. Thats nothing but a copout. Ive been defending them yes. But only thankfully because Gore and Kerry didnt have the oppurtunity to show us how awful this country COULD have been. I guess in a poll, if 58% of American people thought that the '82 Dolphins were the best team ever, then its etched in stone. **** with the '85 Bears or the '78 Steelers. Thats the value in polls. And you think youve seen the worst? Thats hilarious. You and your family sleep pretty good at night, dont you? It wouldnt matter who was president, you'd complain over every tough decision you didnt have to make.

[Midee1]

I do believe that this one is off topic and has ran its course.

Therefore it is closed.