59th and 60th

[BlueSky]

Just heard that the 59th and the 60th will be combined in Basketball next year.. Anyone else heard this news???

[UKRULES]

With only 6 teams in the two districts, many scenarios were tossed around in a meeting on Thursday. It seems the most likely is a combined 59th and 60th district. There are still a lot of details to be worked out--next year or the next?? A guarantee of 4 teams to the 15th Region Tourn was the talk. So the 15th would only have 3 districts, but the combined 59/60th would be guaranteed 4 teams in the 15th Tourn. Stay tuned, there is a lot still to be decided.

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With only 6 teams in the two districts, many scenarios were tossed around in a meeting on Thursday. It seems the most likely is a combined 59th and 60th district. There are still a lot of details to be worked out--next year or the next?? A guarantee of 4 teams to the 15th Region Tourn was the talk. So the 15th would only have 3 districts, but the combined 59/60th would be guaranteed 4 teams in the 15th Tourn. Stay tuned, there is a lot still to be decided.


Nothing was kicked around.

It was dictated to the coaches and when questions were asked, they were met with stern looks and"Pike County" will handle it.

The whining from other districts about "Pike County" getting for teams is one thing that has led to this.

I think someone sold Pike County down the road.........................

[The Zen Master]

that is only one of about four proposals. Alot depends of Piarist has a team, if they do they would be in the 58th and make for five teams just like the 57th. Should this happen the Super Pike County District would have four teams making the regional tournament while the 58th and 57th would send three teams each for a total of 10 teams. I was told that some one in the 57th could be moved, but it won't be Sheldon Clark, perhaps maybe Magoffin or Lawrence County, who in my opionion shoukd be put back in the 16th. Someone at the meeting from Pike County told me that if the region committee could not come up with a proposal then the KHSAA will do it for them. Guess we will have to wait and see what happens. :letsparty

[BlueSky]

Sounds like it could be great fun... What the schedules that are already done?

[More Cowbell]

Should this happen the Super Pike County District would have four teams making the regional tournament while the 58th and 57th would send three teams each for a total of 10 teams.

Have all of these proposals been cleared through the KHSAA? Some of them seem so far-fetched as to hardly be believable.

First off, 10 teams in the regional tournament? No other region in the state has that, they all have eight teams. And 3, or even 4, teams from a district going to regional tournament? Again, this doesn't happen anywhere else in the state. Every other district sends two teams to regionals.

It's all about the math, really. Each region has four districts, of which each send two teams, for a total of eight. It's the same system all across the state, I just can't see the 15th being completely different from everyone else.

[100%SUCCESS]

Betsy Layne to the 59th, Piarist to the 60th, Magoffin to the 58th. Keep the 57 the same. 4-4-4-4, 2 from each district for an 8 team Regional!!!! Just an idea?????

[Coach9]

58th is totally against spiltting the Flyd County teams, and the most other districit agreed with them because of the history of the 58th.

[FOX SPORTS]

Betsy Layne to the 59th, Piarist to the 60th, Magoffin to the 58th. Keep the 57 the same. 4-4-4-4, 2 from each district for an 8 team Regional!!!! Just an idea?????What if Piarist doesn't have a team??? Leaves the same three team district problem.

[jammin' jamey]

I posted about a proposed "all Pike County" district months ago and no one liked it. There's no need for 3 team districts. I like the idea of having Pike County with one district, and either drop the Piarist School in the 58th or 57th when they field a team.

One things for sure, having 10 teams make the regional with "play-in" games kinda waters down the Regional tournament in my opinion. Why have district tournaments? Who's not getting in?

[More Cowbell]

I posted about a proposed "all Pike County" district months ago and no one liked it. There's no need for 3 team districts. I like the idea of having Pike County with one district, and either drop the Piarist School in the 58th or 57th when they field a team.

One things for sure, having 10 teams make the regional with "play-in" games kinda waters down the Regional tournament in my opinion. Why have district tournaments? Who's not getting in?

I agree with you about the 3-team districts. It is kinda silly that a team gets a bye into the regional without even winning a post-season game.

But I don't think having all 6 Pike County teams in one district fixes the problem. First and foremost, where does your other district come from? You have to have 4 districts in the region, just like every other region in the state. And I don't think the 15th can poach an entire district from either the 14th or 16th regions without requiring a complete statewide realignment.

To me, the best solution involves some minor shuffling and possibly snatching a team or two from another region. I see four reasonable scenarios:

1) Magoffin moves to the 58th, Betsy Layne moves to the 59th along with Pikeville, SV, and PC, and Jenkins goes into the 60th along with ER, Belfry, and Phelps.

2) Same as above, except Sheldon Clark moves to the 58th instead of Magoffin.

3) Sheldon Clark moves to the 60th along with Belfry, Phelps, and either PC or ER, and Jenkins goes into the 59th with Pikeville, SV, and either PC or ER.

4) Leave 57th and 58th as is, and both Jenkins and Letcher Central join with the 6 Pike teams to form the 59th/60th in some combination. This would probably be the best option for the 15th, but I'm not sure the 14th could spare losing 2 teams.

I don't really see any other way but one of these options. Notice that I don't include Piarist in any of these, since it's probably unwise to assume that they will field a team every year.

Anyone else have a solution I haven't mentioned, please post it.

[100%SUCCESS]

I agree with you about the 3-team districts. It is kinda silly that a team gets a bye into the regional without even winning a post-season game.

But I don't think having all 6 Pike County teams in one district fixes the problem. First and foremost, where does your other district come from? You have to have 4 districts in the region, just like every other region in the state. And I don't think the 15th can poach an entire district from either the 14th or 16th regions without requiring a complete statewide realignment.

To me, the best solution involves some minor shuffling and possibly snatching a team or two from another region. I see four reasonable scenarios:

1) Magoffin moves to the 58th, Betsy Layne moves to the 59th along with Pikeville, SV, and PC, and Jenkins goes into the 60th along with ER, Belfry, and Phelps.

2) Same as above, except Sheldon Clark moves to the 58th instead of Magoffin.

3) Sheldon Clark moves to the 60th along with Belfry, Phelps, and either PC or ER, and Jenkins goes into the 59th with Pikeville, SV, and either PC or ER.

4) Leave 57th and 58th as is, and both Jenkins and Letcher Central join with the 6 Pike teams to form the 59th/60th in some combination. This would probably be the best option for the 15th, but I'm not sure the 14th could spare losing 2 teams.

I don't really see any other way but one of these options. Notice that I don't include Piarist in any of these, since it's probably unwise to assume that they will field a team every year.

Anyone else have a solution I haven't mentioned, please post it.

Looks Good. If the 14th could spare 2 teams? Or would that put them in the same boat as the 15th currently is in? with a 3 team district?

[More Cowbell]

Looks Good. If the 14th could spare 2 teams? Or would that put them in the same boat as the 15th currently is in? with a 3 team district?

I just looked at the current district alignment on khsaa.org, and as it stands right now the 14th region has 17 teams, including 5 teams in the 53rd district (which includes Jenkins and LCC). So they could not lose two teams unless they picked up another one somewhere, in order to stay at 16 schools overall.

I don't know, maybe Magoffin goes into the 14th and joins the 53rd district with the Knott County teams? Or Lawrence goes back to the 16th region and maybe Morgan County goes into the 14th?

Sounds like there is no easy answer for the problem.

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Sheldon Clark to the 60th

Jenkins to the 59th


But SC whined like little babies and this is what we got.

[Hoops Lover]

Guys...the 6 team "super district" is going to happen barring any major change of course from the KHSAA...if Piarist doesn't have a team there will be just two teams come out of the 58th with only one "play in" game...with ten teams coming out there will be two "play in" games....meeting has been set to discuss the logistics of this for May 19th...all indications are this is going to happen.

[More Cowbell]

Guys...the 6 team "super district" is going to happen barring any major change of course from the KHSAA...if Piarist doesn't have a team there will be just two teams come out of the 58th with only one "play in" game...with ten teams coming out there will be two "play in" games....meeting has been set to discuss the logistics of this for May 19th...all indications are this is going to happen.

I still say I can't see the KHSAA approving this. Again, the supposed "super-district" would leave the 15th with only 3 districts. Are you all saying that the KHSAA will agree to let them do this, whiuch would make them the only region in the state to not have 3 districts? Not to mention the whole idea of more than 8 teams in the tournament, and/or play-in games, is also nowhere to be found anywhere else in the state.

It's the same system across the state right now. 16 regions, 4 districts per region, each sending 2 teams to regionals for a total of 8 teams in the tourney. I just don't see them letting the 15th be such an oddball.

[jammin' jamey]

I still say I can't see the KHSAA approving this. Again, the supposed "super-district" would leave the 15th with only 3 districts. Are you all saying that the KHSAA will agree to let them do this, whiuch would make them the only region in the state to not have 3 districts? Not to mention the whole idea of more than 8 teams in the tournament, and/or play-in games, is also nowhere to be found anywhere else in the state.

It's the same system across the state right now. 16 regions, 4 districts per region, each sending 2 teams to regionals for a total of 8 teams in the tourney. I just don't see them letting the 15th be such an oddball.

Look at it like this: The 15th may become the guinea pig for future systems. Dwindling populations, consolidation, gas prices making trips from Magoffin County to South Floyd for a "district" game just unconceivable...this is the future of having a "non" class system in basketball. There will be more consolidation projects in the future that will limit teams per region.

Pulling teams from other regions is only a band-aid.

Personally, I hate consolidation of schools, but who am I? I liked the idea of pulling Sheldon Clark to the 60th and moving Jenkins into the 59th, while moving the Piarist School back to the 58th - even though 58th teams hate filling their schedules with Piarist. Having a "super district" in Pike County to me is the next best thing.

[JackRabbitSlim]

Here's an Idea....

You have 16 teams. How about some genius figure out how to divide by 4 and then you get 4. so basically you have 4 districts with equal number of teams. Wow! I know it sounds far fetched but geeze what an idea. Sorry don't mean to be a smart alec but these people on all these hundred committee's crack me up. They try to out think themselves every year and come up with something to make them look like a savior and they end up looking like idiots in the end. The more simple the better. Wake up KHSAA it's not that hard.

[More Cowbell]

Look at it like this: The 15th may become the guinea pig for future systems. Dwindling populations, consolidation, gas prices making trips from Magoffin County to South Floyd for a "district" game just unconceivable...this is the future of having a "non" class system in basketball. There will be more consolidation projects in the future that will limit teams per region.

Pulling teams from other regions is only a band-aid.

Personally, I hate consolidation of schools, but who am I? I liked the idea of pulling Sheldon Clark to the 60th and moving Jenkins into the 59th, while moving the Piarist School back to the 58th - even though 58th teams hate filling their schedules with Piarist. Having a "super district" in Pike County to me is the next best thing.

I will agree that future consolidation may change things, but I don't see much happening on that front in the near future. For now, I think it is ridiculous to have only three districts in the region. I'm not a fan of 3-team districts either, but I can live with that more than only having three districts. It just throws my sense of balance completely off.

I also liked the proposal involving SC moving to the 60th, but apparently the folks in Martin County blew a gasket over the whole idea. It's a shame really, that was the one idea that made the most sense.

[More Cowbell]

Here's an Idea....

You have 16 teams. How about some genius figure out how to divide by 4 and then you get 4. so basically you have 4 districts with equal number of teams. Wow! I know it sounds far fetched but geeze what an idea. Sorry don't mean to be a smart alec but these people on all these hundred committee's crack me up. They try to out think themselves every year and come up with something to make them look like a savior and they end up looking like idiots in the end. The more simple the better. Wake up KHSAA it's not that hard.

As for your post, there are only 15 teams in region unless you count Piarist... which I think we should not. I really don't think you can count on them to field a team every year, which would leave some district short a team if they don't.

I still think the 15th needs to pull a team from another region, most likely Jenkins (who is currently in a 5-team district).

[HORNET POWER]

piarist is going to the same district as betsy layne,and if it is approved it wont take effect till the 2009-2010 season due to contracts being signed already

[Hoops Lover]

From what I understand it will happen for the upcoming season...

[JackRabbitSlim]

As for your post, there are only 15 teams in region unless you count Piarist... which I think we should not. I really don't think you can count on them to field a team every year, which would leave some district short a team if they don't.

I still think the 15th needs to pull a team from another region, most likely Jenkins (who is currently in a 5-team district).

Jenkins would be a logical choice, but really if they are going to do that you might as well throw LCC in there as well. I would actually rather have LCC in the 15th so it can be even more competitive. Both are a long haul for most 14th region teams. Somebody was drunk when they drew those lines for the regions.

[Old Timer]

Anyone else heard the rumor that there is another meeting planned to discuss this after the assigning secretary vote? I heard there may be changes in this plan due to broken promises.

[More Cowbell]

Jenkins would be a logical choice, but really if they are going to do that you might as well throw LCC in there as well. I would actually rather have LCC in the 15th so it can be even more competitive. Both are a long haul for most 14th region teams. Somebody was drunk when they drew those lines for the regions.

I think it would be a good idea to get both Letcher County schools as well, but that would leave the 14th with only fifteen teams, so they would have to get one team back from the 15th in order to get back to sixteen teams. I'm thinking perhaps maybe Magoffin County? They're pretty close to Breathitt if I'm not mistaken.

Otherwise, if you don't want to send Magoffin out, then the 15th can only take one team, and it would have to be Jenkins instead of LCC due to the relative proximity of the two schools.

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The board of control passed the "Super-District" with the condition it is a one year trial period in basketball only. Volleyball, softball, and baseball were not passed under this new policy.

[JackRabbitSlim]

The board of control passed the "Super-District" with the condition it is a one year trial period in basketball only. Volleyball, softball, and baseball were not passed under this new policy.

I heard this as well. It looks like we'll all see how it works after all. I wonder why they only picked this one sport to do it in? Think about it?

[GOT GAME]

SCHS didn't whine. Even the KHSAA said it would be harder for them to move
than the other schools. They are 30 minutes from all the teams in their District . Why would they want to drive 1 hour and 45 minutes on a bus to Phelps, or 1 and 25 minutes to Shelby Valley or Pike Central. Magoffin wants to go to the 58th. The Pike Co schools don't want anyone else in their District. That is why they came up with a 6 team District. Keeps all the other schools out.

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SCHS didn't whine. Even the KHSAA said it would be harder for them to move
than the other schools. They are 30 minutes from all the teams in their District . Why would they want to drive 1 hour and 45 minutes on a bus to Phelps, or 1 and 25 minutes to Shelby Valley or Pike Central. Magoffin wants to go to the 58th. The Pike Co schools don't want anyone else in their District. That is why they came up with a 6 team District. Keeps all the other schools out.

Pike County will take anyone and even though its a long ride to Phelps SC is still the closest.

Floyd Co. is also a hang up because if MC goes to the 58th someone from Floyd would have to go to the 59th.

[BlueSky]

When I started this thread I knew I had good info. I guess we can all express our opinion which really is great fun, but it is what it is. Teams will now change their schedules and I guess we will get on with it. Good Luck to all!!

[rojas]

With consolidation and the reduction in the numbers of high schools maybe its time to do away with basketball districts all together. Maybe its time to just start tournament play with a seeded 16 or 17 team regional tournament.

[warriorpride]

What is the point if this really? the whole thing seems stupid to me. And from what Iv heard the 59th is going to be a 6-team district next season. I think it will be the orginals ER, Pville, and SV with the addation of PC, Belfry, and Phelps.

[JackRabbitSlim]

What is the point if this really? the whole thing seems stupid to me. And from what Iv heard the 59th is going to be a 6-team district next season. I think it will be the orginals ER, Pville, and SV with the addation of PC, Belfry, and Phelps.

Yea that is actually official. It will be a trial year next year just for basketball and then they will reevaluate it at the end of the year to see if it worked. However, there will only be one district in Pike County next season in basketball.

[Blackwater]

Let me add to this thread some understanding. The Board of Control at the KHSAA make all final decisions. When the schools met at Magoffin County High School on May 2 there were THREE KHSAA BOC members there. The 13-14th region BOC member, the 15-16 BOC member, and an at large BOC member. There were pricipals, and AD's, and some coaches from all 15th region schools. Julian Tackett and the KHSAA Commisioner, Bridget DeVries, were there. There were Superintendents from Pike, Floyd, Magoffin, and Johnson county. They all made a decisions based on what they though was best financialy for all schools as far as travel wtihin the region. They also took into acount the tradition of schools and disticts. There was not a perfect choice to be made. They did try however, to make the best choice for our STUDENT ATHLETES and our children. No one person had the opportunity to make a decision for everyone. Each school and district had the opportunity to voice their concern(s). No school was coming over fron the 14th, they will have this problem (less than 16 teams) soon enough. There was great dialoge at this meeting and great leadership to make these hard decisions. Sometimes when we don't understand something we call it stupid or unfair. This will work because the aformentioned people will make it work for our schools and athletes.

[BballFan63]

I posted about a proposed "all Pike County" district months ago and no one liked it. There's no need for 3 team districts. I like the idea of having Pike County with one district, and either drop the Piarist School in the 58th or 57th when they field a team.

One things for sure, having 10 teams make the regional with "play-in" games kinda waters down the Regional tournament in my opinion. Why have district tournaments? Who's not getting in?


Excuse me, but don't ya think the 57th is just a bit crowded already. Give me a break!

[BballFan63]

Let me add to this thread some understanding. The Board of Control at the KHSAA make all final decisions. When the schools met at Magoffin County High School on May 2 there were THREE KHSAA BOC members there. The 13-14th region BOC member, the 15-16 BOC member, and an at large BOC member. There were pricipals, and AD's, and some coaches from all 15th region schools. Julian Tackett and the KHSAA Commisioner, Bridget DeVries, were there. There were Superintendents from Pike, Floyd, Magoffin, and Johnson county. They all made a decisions based on what they though was best financialy for all schools as far as travel wtihin the region. They also took into acount the tradition of schools and disticts. There was not a perfect choice to be made. They did try however, to make the best choice for our STUDENT ATHLETES and our children. No one person had the opportunity to make a decision for everyone. Each school and district had the opportunity to voice their concern(s). No school was coming over fron the 14th, they will have this problem (less than 16 teams) soon enough. There was great dialoge at this meeting and great leadership to make these hard decisions. Sometimes when we don't understand something we call it stupid or unfair. This will work because the aformentioned people will make it work for our schools and athletes.

Thanks for this post; it is the most informative, well-thought out post about this topic. If, as you said, the primary purpose - what is best for the student-athletes- is kept in mind at all times, then anyone involved should want to make it work.

[BlueSky]

I also say thanks for the post......... Big Help...

[BlueSky]

Super District meeting over and I believe it looks like a dud... It was all about getting these 6 teams playing each season for econ reasons. All they did was mess over East Ridge and Pikeville. Two divisions east and west. SV, East R, and Pike in one and other 3 in the other. Each division gets a #1 seed and auto into regional. Belfry, Phelps, and Pike Ct. Great deal for Belfry, Pike C., Phelps......... How do they come up with this as being the fair thing for all 6 schools.... Same old story.. Maybe East Ridge could go to Va. and play. I hope there is more to this that I do not understand, I will be waiting to see..

[friendofbelfry]

I am just wondering Why BELFRY gets the Shaft again...(as in the PCB) it was our turn to Host the District..and the POWERS THAT BE decided it would be best to hold it at PIKE CENTRAL... hmmm whats up with that???

[Hoops Lover]

The division deal was proposed by a coach from the 59th. This proposal passed with all but ONE coach voting yes. East Ridge may go to Va. and play...but they voted YES on this proposal.

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I am just wondering Why BELFRY gets the Shaft again...(as in the PCB) it was our turn to Host the District..and the POWERS THAT BE decided it would be best to hold it at PIKE CENTRAL... hmmm whats up with that???

Because the "powers that be" absolutely hate Belfry and only support people with the same agenda and when a lot more figure that out some things will change............

[FOX SPORTS]

Super District meeting over and I believe it looks like a dud... It was all about getting these 6 teams playing each season for econ reasons. All they did was mess over East Ridge and Pikeville. Two divisions east and west. SV, East R, and Pike in one and other 3 in the other. Each division gets a #1 seed and auto into regional. Belfry, Phelps, and Pike Ct. Great deal for Belfry, Pike C., Phelps......... How do they come up with this as being the fair thing for all 6 schools.... Same old story.. Maybe East Ridge could go to Va. and play. I hope there is more to this that I do not understand, I will be waiting to see..IMO, this is a horrible plan!!!

With divisions each getting a #1 seed, the "super district" could conceivably send a #1 seed to the regional tournament that is not one of the top 2 teams.

Why not take the top two from the district tourney Winner and Runner up as the 2 number ones with the other two semi finalists also advancing?? At least, the # 1's are decided on the court rather than in a meeting where politics dictate the divisions.

[BlueSky]

That is a very good question....

[BlueSky]

Thanks, that is some of the questions I was hoping to get answered. If East Ridge is happy playing Shelby 2 times each year to determine the #1 seed and we certainly should not be against it. Go East Ridge..

[friendofbelfry]

Because the "powers that be" absolutely hate Belfry and only support people with the same agenda and when a lot more figure that out some things will change............

Everyone always HATES the WINNER... no matter what it may be. Like as said Before TRUE BELFRY FANS follow the PIRATES.. so why not make as much money off of the TRUE BELFRY fans as POSSIBLE!:mad:

[BlueSky]

I have nothing but RESPECT for Belfry. They have great programs and first class in all they do... And I am not from that side of the mountain as they say...

[bball fan]

IMO, this is a horrible plan!!!

With divisions each getting a #1 seed, the "super district" could conceivably send a #1 seed to the regional tournament that is not one of the top 2 teams.

Why not take the top two from the district tourney Winner and Runner up as the 2 number ones with the other two semi finalists also advancing?? At least, the # 1's are decided on the court rather than in a meeting where politics dictate the divisions.
According to an eyewitness, Pikeville's coach made this proposal but it was shot down very quickly. I guess that could be expected with Pike Co.'s AD and Superintendent running the meeting!

[Hoops Lover]

Not ALL of Pike County is happy with this deal...even some that HAD to vote for it..

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According to an eyewitness, Pikeville's coach made this proposal but it was shot down very quickly. I guess that could be expected with Pike Co.'s AD and Superintendent running the meeting!

They are doing what is in the best interest of those 2 gentlemen and the BOE members that are up for re-election.....not the kids.


I know several Pike County coaches that are not happy, and some that were even told vote this way or look for another job.................

[BlueSky]

If so, WHAT a DISGRACE!

[NYY10]

Then they will call it the 59th and 1 half disrtict

[BillSelf]

This is a big mess!