Estill County, 56th District Champs [Archive] - Kentucky Sports Forum

go big or go home

05-07-2008, 08:49 AM

Why does it say district champs? Isn't that tournament a couple of weeks off? Or do you mean they just got the #1 seed for the tournament?

i believe that this means that they are the REGULAR SEASON champs...anyway great job Estill!!!

bluegrassballa

05-07-2008, 08:56 AM

Yea I figured that, but I don't see why a mod hasn't changed it yet. It's just a little wrong in the title of the thread. However, it could be a very good preminition. haha:D

Haha, yes it could be!

the dark wizard

05-07-2008, 09:18 AM

Congrats Estill

JackRabbitSlim

05-07-2008, 10:17 AM

i believe that this means that they are the REGULAR SEASON champs...anyway great job Estill!!!

That is my point. They don't even call it a championship for the regular season, it's just for seeding. If it was some kind of championship you would think they would have some sort of reward for it. All the regular season district games are is for seeding purposes only. You don't become a champion until you win the tournament.

basketballwizz

05-07-2008, 10:31 AM

Jackrabbitslim I hope you sleep tonight knowing that there in no championship for regular season. Sorry you took that the wrong way.

JackRabbitSlim

05-07-2008, 12:39 PM

Jackrabbitslim I hope you sleep tonight knowing that there in no championship for regular season. Sorry you took that the wrong way.

Yea, I sleep just fine thanks for thinking about me and my sleeping habits.

thecavemaster

05-07-2008, 01:13 PM

basketballwizz

05-07-2008, 08:42 PM

Thanks Cavemaster there guys are real slow wonder were there from?HAHA

Bosox Fan

05-07-2008, 09:29 PM

If a team wins the regular season district, it is the regular season champion, and is subsequently awarded the #1 seed. Regular season champion: district tournament champion... not difficult concepts really.

I think we all understood that..... What they are saying is that there is not an actual award for the regular season champ because in all honesty it does not mean crap.....when you win the district tournament then you are a champion.

Like last year the best team in the 16th during the season was Boyd.... But Greenup is the 2007 16th region champ.

RedSox_#1

05-07-2008, 09:49 PM

Well anyway.............. Estill takes care of business and comes out with the win. An excellent performance on the mound from sophmore Kyle Clowers, great defence, and last but not least, excellent day at the plate for Estill.

thecavemaster

05-08-2008, 11:45 AM

I think we all understood that..... What they are saying is that there is not an actual award for the regular season champ because in all honesty it does not mean crap.....when you win the district tournament then you are a champion.

Like last year the best team in the 16th during the season was Boyd.... But Greenup is the 2007 16th region champ.

So, when UK or Tennessee win the regular season SEC it doesn't mean "crap"? Win the regular season title...and somehow it doesn't count for anything? In all honesty, and with all due respect, you don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about. Maybe you have an axe to grind?

JackRabbitSlim

05-08-2008, 01:44 PM

So, when UK or Tennessee win the regular season SEC it doesn't mean "crap"? Win the regular season title...and somehow it doesn't count for anything? In all honesty, and with all due respect, you don't have the faintest idea what you're talking about. Maybe you have an axe to grind?

He knows exactly what he is talking about, obviously you don't. The reason it means nothing on the high school level is the play one or two games that count towards district standings all year. On the college level they play a series almost every weekend with a different team. I am not sure if it is 3 games or 4 games but they play a lot more teams than a high school's district. If you win the regular season in the SEC you have done something because that means you have swept most of the teams in the SEC in 3 or 4 games. There is a championship on the college level for winning the regular season there is not in high school. That is the simple point that has been trying to be made, and obviously no one can comprehend. It is a good accomplishment, but it is not a championship, that's all. There is no way you can compare the two because they are two totally different scenarios.

thecavemaster

05-08-2008, 03:15 PM

He knows exactly what he is talking about, obviously you don't. The reason it means nothing on the high school level is the play one or two games that count towards district standings all year. On the college level they play a series almost every weekend with a different team. I am not sure if it is 3 games or 4 games but they play a lot more teams than a high school's district. If you win the regular season in the SEC you have done something because that means you have swept most of the teams in the SEC in 3 or 4 games. There is a championship on the college level for winning the regular season there is not in high school. That is the simple point that has been trying to be made, and obviously no one can comprehend. It is a good accomplishment, but it is not a championship, that's all. There is no way you can compare the two because they are two totally different scenarios.

The SEC has a regular season champion; the SEC has a tournament champion. Your explanation of why that is not relevant to high school boils down to that two head to head games (one home, one away) don't really matter. Above all else that might be said, that is certainly an interesting take, and you're right, of course, to take it. No matter the ridiculous nature of the opinion.

thecavemaster

05-08-2008, 03:21 PM

Per American Heritage: "Champion"... someone or something acknowledged as the best of all, having defeated others in competition. Can anyone explain to me how that does NOT apply to the regular season? A 6-0 record in the regular season qualifies one as the best of all in the competition of the regular season, which is rewarded with a #1 seed. Why is that hard to understand?

JackRabbitSlim

05-08-2008, 03:22 PM

The SEC has a regular season champion; the SEC has a tournament champion. Your explanation of why that is not relevant to high school boils down to that two head to head games (one home, one away) don't really matter. Above all else that might be said, that is certainly an interesting take, and you're right, of course, to take it. No matter the ridiculous nature of the opinion.

Rediculus? The rediculus part is you trying to compare what they do in college to high school. Two games against medioce competition and 4 games against the SEC are too different things. I think that is why they give them a championship for that in college. This is hilarious you have no idea what your talking about.

thecavemaster

05-08-2008, 03:24 PM

Rediculus? The rediculus part is you trying to compare what they do in college to high school. Two games against medioce competition and 4 games against the SEC are too different things. I think that is why they give them a championship for that in college. This is hilarious you have no idea what your talking about.

Please read the definition of champion, realize the comparison is not between the SEC and high school, but rather about the meaning of "champion" and its relevance to the situation. Your axe is out of hiding.

basketballwizz

05-08-2008, 03:30 PM

Estill Co is the 56th Reg season Champs no one could take it from them on the field so why do you try to take it from them of the field.This is a great group of kids and they will always be champs in my mine.Thank you caveman you do know what your talking about. And for you Rabbit your a jerk.

go big or go home

05-08-2008, 04:39 PM

idk wat was wrong with powells hitting the other night against estill...but they couldnt compare....estill knocked the cover off the ball powell....... not so much...

bluegrassballa

05-08-2008, 04:50 PM

Rediculus? The rediculus part is you trying to compare what they do in college to high school. Two games against medioce competition and 4 games against the SEC are too different things. I think that is why they give them a championship for that in college. This is hilarious you have no idea what your talking about.

JackRabbit, you might not wanna argue with the cavemaster. He is always right, always.

Estill is the regular season champs. Lets just leave it at that.

thecavemaster

05-08-2008, 05:45 PM

JackRabbit, you might not wanna argue with the cavemaster. He is always right, always.

Estill is the regular season champs. Lets just leave it at that.

Bluegrassballa: Do you hold any opinions which you know are wrong? If so, why would you hold them? When we argue/debate these things, are we supposed to feign some sort of false humility so that people will like us? The whole point of debate (I always thought) was to make your case and poke holes in the other person's.

JackRabbitSlim

05-08-2008, 06:57 PM

Please read the definition of champion, realize the comparison is not between the SEC and high school, but rather about the meaning of "champion" and its relevance to the situation. Your axe is out of hiding.

Well I am just going to have to disagree with you. What about all the districts in the state that don't seed? They could care less who the regular season champs are. Every game they play against their district opponents are not with their best pitchers on the mound. You would think if it meant something they would pitch their best against them. The reason they don't is because it doesn't matter and they would rather them not see their ace. However, the teams that do seed have to throw their ace, but the regular season in their situation is only to verify seeding, and they throw their ace to get the seed, not a championship. You have your opinions and I will have mine, but regardless Estill got the #1 seed in the district and that's all that matters.

thecavemaster

05-08-2008, 07:31 PM

Well I am just going to have to disagree with you. What about all the districts in the state that don't seed? They could care less who the regular season champs are. Every game they play against their district opponents are not with their best pitchers on the mound. You would think if it meant something they would pitch their best against them. The reason they don't is because it doesn't matter and they would rather them not see their ace. However, the teams that do seed have to throw their ace, but the regular season in their situation is only to verify seeding, and they throw their ace to get the seed, not a championship. You have your opinions and I will have mine, but regardless Estill got the #1 seed in the district and that's all that matters.

The 56th does seed, does reward the best record. By definition, then, "champion." Good enough, let 'er ride.

90FeetFromHome

05-08-2008, 10:00 PM

go big or go home

05-08-2008, 10:43 PM

i think everyone needs to calm down....ESTILL BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF POWELL...AND THATS THAT!!!

JackRabbitSlim

05-09-2008, 08:11 AM

bluegrassballa

05-09-2008, 08:16 AM

Bluegrassballa: Do you hold any opinions which you know are wrong? If so, why would you hold them? When we argue/debate these things, are we supposed to feign some sort of false humility so that people will like us? The whole point of debate (I always thought) was to make your case and poke holes in the other person's.

Well, no. I don't hold any opinions except that Estill is the 56th district regular season champions. And no, you don't poke tholes through people.

thecavemaster

05-09-2008, 09:20 AM

Well, no. I don't hold any opinions except that Estill is the 56th district regular season champions. And no, you don't poke tholes through people.

The holes, of course, are to be poked through the case the other person is making...which, I'm sure, is something of which you were quite aware.

thecavemaster

05-09-2008, 09:32 AM

I'm just throwing this out there but who gives a _____? The only thing with districts that really matter is whoever is in the championship game so they can advance to regions and get a shot at winning the Regional Title, thats the number 1 goal to win region.

I'm just throwing this back to you: in surgery, a doctor might have as goal #1 to remove, say, a gall bladder; however, as goal #2, he or she might have as a goal to suture the surgery site in such a way as to leave minimal scarring. If the #1 goal is winning the district/regional tournament, does that somehow so diminish other goals that one could say, "Who gives a crap"?

Godspeed

05-09-2008, 02:12 PM

I'm just throwing this back to you: in surgery, a doctor might have as goal #1 to remove, say, a gall bladder; however, as goal #2, he or she might have as a goal to suture the surgery site in such a way as to leave minimal scarring. If the #1 goal is winning the district/regional tournament, does that somehow so diminish other goals that one could say, "Who gives a crap"?
Can't we just refer to other things that are on topic rather than Grey's Anatomy or the ER, or other hypothetical things that aren't needed. This is a baseball forum/thread. I can see why you like to use your educational speeches to people because half the time they don't know what their talking about. But sophisticated/educated talk on here means nothing to them, it just keeps the thread going on about b.s. and no one really understands what your talking about. Except some of us. Try to keep it to a limit for the sake of others, and yourself.

thecavemaster

05-09-2008, 03:38 PM

Can't we just refer to other things that are on topic rather than Grey's Anatomy or the ER, or other hypothetical things that aren't needed. This is a baseball forum/thread. I can see why you like to use your educational speeches to people because half the time they don't know what their talking about. But sophisticated/educated talk on here means nothing to them, it just keeps the thread going on about b.s. and no one really understands what your talking about. Except some of us. Try to keep it to a limit for the sake of others, and yourself.

"Educated talk"? Now that's funny. The debate on this thread began when a few questioned the use of the word "champion" in reference to Estill County's baseball team. I have more faith in the BGR crowd than you... I think they know what an analogy is, and I think they know what I'm talking about, even if they strongly disagree with me. P.S. "B.S." is a personal opinion, not a revelation on your part.

JackRabbitSlim

05-09-2008, 06:35 PM

"Educated talk"? Now that's funny. The debate on this thread began when a few questioned the use of the word "champion" in reference to Estill County's baseball team. I have more faith in the BGR crowd than you... I think they know what an analogy is, and I think they know what I'm talking about, even if they strongly disagree with me. P.S. "B.S." is a personal opinion, not a revelation on your part.

I fully understood you, but I still disagree with you. I have no personal vindetta against you, it was just a discussion/disagreement.

bluegrassballa

05-09-2008, 09:48 PM

The holes, of course, are to be poked through the case the other person is making...which, I'm sure, is something of which you were quite aware.

Everytime you post about something, there is always an arguement. I mean everybody gets it. Estill is the regular season 56th district champs. Which means that they get the #1 seed in the tourney. Just leave it at that.

thecavemaster

05-10-2008, 11:12 AM

I fully understood you, but I still disagree with you. I have no personal vindetta against you, it was just a discussion/disagreement.

I was suggesting that your "axe to grind" might have been with Estill County, not with me. We agree to disagree.

thecavemaster

05-10-2008, 11:14 AM

Everytime you post about something, there is always an arguement. I mean everybody gets it. Estill is the regular season 56th district champs. Which means that they get the #1 seed in the tourney. Just leave it at that.

I was simply responding to your post about poking holes in people and expressed the thought that I figured everybody did get it.

bluegrassballa

05-10-2008, 04:19 PM

I was simply responding to your post about poking holes in people and expressed the thought that I figured everybody did get it.

Everybody gets it that Estill are the regular season champs. Thats all that has to be said.

JackRabbitSlim

05-10-2008, 10:51 PM

I was suggesting that your "axe to grind" might have been with Estill County, not with me. We agree to disagree.

Haha! No I don't have any problems with Estill County. I think they run a great program there, and their coach is a real class act. He is a great guy and a great baseball guy. I was really impressed with him when I met him.

bluegrassballa

05-10-2008, 11:15 PM

Haha! No I don't have any problems with Estill County. I think they run a great program there, and their coach is a real class act. He is a great guy and a great baseball guy. I was really impressed with him when I met him.

Yes they do. It seems like all of Estill County's sports are becoming very good.

joo

05-16-2008, 12:20 AM

That is my point. They don't even call it a championship for the regular season, it's just for seeding. If it was some kind of championship you would think they would have some sort of reward for it. All the regular season district games are is for seeding purposes only. You don't become a champion until you win the tournament.

There is actually a reward for it...the 1 seed going into the tournament receives a trophy or plaque at the championship game of the district tournament, if u recall when estill defeated lee county last year int he district championship game?...lee gets a trophy for 1 seed....but the point of that thread was that estill is 1 seed..and they will win district...so the thread was right..they are champions of the 56th

JackRabbitSlim

05-16-2008, 08:53 AM

There is actually a reward for it...the 1 seed going into the tournament receives a trophy or plaque at the championship game of the district tournament, if u recall when estill defeated lee county last year int he district championship game?...lee gets a trophy for 1 seed....but the point of that thread was that estill is 1 seed..and they will win district...so the thread was right..they are champions of the 56th

If they got a trophy for regular season then it was something done by the 56th district alone because no one else in the state does that. No other district in the state gives out trophys for having the best district record in the regular season. If they do that, does that mean that the 14th region gives out a regular season trophy to the team with the best record against regional opponents? By that logic that would seem to me the only right thing to do. You may be right, but no other district does that, and I have never heard of it. Anyway congrats Estill on a great season.

thecavemaster

05-16-2008, 10:23 AM

If they got a trophy for regular season then it was something done by the 56th district alone because no one else in the state does that. No other district in the state gives out trophys for having the best district record in the regular season. If they do that, does that mean that the 14th region gives out a regular season trophy to the team with the best record against regional opponents? By that logic that would seem to me the only right thing to do. You may be right, but no other district does that, and I have never heard of it. Anyway congrats Estill on a great season.

So, if nobody in the Jim Crow South would allow "Negroes" to stay in a hotel, then, by logic, nobody in the North should have either? Not to equate the two, which would be silly, but your "...that would seem to be the right thing to do" doesn't wash, now does it?

JackRabbitSlim

05-16-2008, 10:53 AM

So, if nobody in the Jim Crow South would allow "Negroes" to stay in a hotel, then, by logic, nobody in the North should have either? Not to equate the two, which would be silly, but your "...that would seem to be the right thing to do" doesn't wash, now does it?

No it doesn't....