Hold Backs

[THE BUS]

Agree or disagree?
I agree. Only good comes from it

[ACE]

Disagree, if you can't compete with kids your own age then you shouldn't be able to compete. Not fair to the class under you.

[-STAT-]

Disagree.....but the only reason a kid should be held back is for Academic Reasons....not Athletic

[bballmama]

this comes as a complete shock to me but for once i agree with stat..lol

[ACE]

I agree Stat

[THE BUS]

Ok
used to if a kid gets held back he has an advantage
now everyone is getting held back so in order to compete you almost have to be a hold back
Let me ask you a question which one is better for a kid
Being on his own at 17 or being on his own at 19?

[Cartman]

I'd rather be on my own at 17 , lol

[-STAT-]

same here Cartman.....lol

[-STAT-]

this comes as a complete shock to me but for once i agree with stat..lol

what?....u never did agree with me before?

[THE BUS]

I'm just saying that there is no harm from getting held back
some ppl say ir isn't fair but anyone has the chance to get held back

[thebestplayerever]

i disagree, if someone cant play with people there own age then they shouldnt play at all

[ACE]

i disagree, if someone cant play with people there own age then they shouldnt play at all

Thats what i sed too.

[Juice]

Yeah Ace..actually that was your exact words.. but i disagree with kids being held back

[thebestplayerever]

my bad ACE

[ACE]

I forgive you lol

[crazytaxidriver]

Ok
used to if a kid gets held back he has an advantage
now everyone is getting held back so in order to compete you almost have to be a hold back
Let me ask you a question which one is better for a kid
Being on his own at 17 or being on his own at 19?

Doesn't matter cause at 17 you can only do so much legally..

I disagree if you are being held back for athletic purposes.. Academic is a different story though..

[DTA]

Parent choice so it doesn't matter what I think.

[U Know Not!!]

Derrick Case from BL is a holdback

[SuperStar]

i disagree, if someone cant play with people there own age then they shouldnt play at all

Unfortunately not holding back means you aren't playing against people your own age...

[WOW]

Disagree.

This "maturity" issue- needs to be addressed on a different level. If we have such a great number of students not ready to move on for maturity reasons- then the powers that be need to look at changing the starting age for Kindergarten. Instead of being 5 before October 1 maybe they should change it to the childs age on August 1. At least you wouldn't have 4 year olds in Kindergarten.

As far as being on your own at 17 vs. 19- How many kids move out the day after graduation from high school?

[Fanatic of the 15th]

Derek Case....Brandon May

[Tomcat68]

A hold back should never be done on the basis of athletics. Remember, schools are for education. If a child is struggling academically then it's fine, but if they do well in the classroom, let them advance.

[JMac]

I agree with kids being held back, but not necessarily for athletics. I think kids are being put into the world at too early an age. I didn't put my daughter in school until she was 6. Nothing to do with athletics cause how do I know at that age. I didn't want her in college at 17. On the athletic side, I wasn't a good athlete, but stayed back in the 7th grade. I matured and ended up with a college scholarship. I would have matured anyway, but maybe not early enough for that. End of story, I got a free education. If staying back helped, who cares.

[JMac]

I agree with holding kids back for a variety of reasons. Athletics can be one of them, academics is another while age is probably the last. Maturity doesn't fly because you are only as mature as those you spend time with. Also, what is wrong with helping your child succeed in every way possible be it in the classroom, socially, mentally, emotionally or on the field? In any event if it results in them becoming a productive citizen it is worth it.

[m00se]

I agree with hold backs. What I want to know is: What has "John Doe" holding back have to do with your childs skills? If you have a problem with your kid playing with older players, then why let them play up on higher levels? The true question is this, If so-and-so is good, what does it matter if he's 17 of 19? The NBA looks at skill not age.

[WOW]

I agree with hold backs. What I want to know is: What has "John Doe" holding back have to do with your childs skills? If you have a problem with your kid playing with older players, then why let them play up on higher levels? The true question is this, If so-and-so is good, what does it matter if he's 17 of 19? The NBA looks at skill not age.

I might be a little confused here.

"why let them play up on higher levels?" Not real sure what you mean by this.

Are you suggesting that kids who aren't holdbacks not play if they don't want to play with older kids?

Most middle school teams in Floyd County consist of 7th and 8th grade players. On the average they are 12-13 years old. Some of the 8th graders will turn 14 during the school year. Why should a 12 year old have to compete with a child who will soon be 16?

[SuperStar]

What I want to know is: What has "John Doe" holding back have to do with your childs skills?

A kid who is in the same grade, but a year younger, will have a hard time competing with a kid that was held back. That is how it affects children that aren't holdbacks. Even though they may be better "basketball players" thet can't compete against kids who are bigger, faster, stronger, just because they are a year older.


If you have a problem with your kid playing with older players, then why let them play up on higher levels?

It isn't that those kids are playing up.... it's that holdbacks are playing down...

[JMac]

I thought there were age limits now at the 6th grade, 8th grade and 12th grade level which prevented a dispariging age difference. Maybe that is just in contact sports though.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Moose, actually that isnt true. The NBA cant draft 17 or even some 18 or 19 year olds anymore. As far as what I think. I feel like if a kid is in school, and the grades are there, then they should not be held back. Most parents will hold back a child in the 7th grade for sports. The child ends up playing 3 years of middle school sports. Sad but true. I think that if a child gets held back for sports reasons, then the second 7th grade year they should not be allowed to compete. It should be the same as in high school. You should get two years of middle school for sports, and 4 years of high school for sports. If a child got held back for academic reasons, then that child most likely wont be able to play anyways.

[WOW]

Floyd County Policy states:

A student, who turns 15 years of age prior to August 1 of the school year, is ineligible to participate in athletics during that school year.

A student will not be allowed to participate in 2 years of athletics, in the same grade, unless the academic retention and/or social and emotional documentation is in compliance with Floyd County Board Policy 09.3131 and Policy 08.22. All paperwork must be submitted prior to the start of the season to the Floyd County Schools Athletic Director.

The only other policy I know of states that students in grades 1-6 may participate in C team games; grades 1-7 in B team games and 1-8 in A team games. This applies to Elementary/Middle Basketball.

The section on Football does not indicate any grade levels or ages for certain teams.

[WOW]

I have to disagree with Baskebtallonlyfan on the 2 years of middle school sports. Simply because some middle schools are grades 6-8 and other schools are still K-8. 1 year of participation at each grade level is appropriate. SFMS is the only 7-8 middle school in Floyd County. Or at least the only one I can think of right now.

[m00se]

I might be a little confused here.

"why let them play up on higher levels?" Not real sure what you mean by this.

Are you suggesting that kids who aren't holdbacks not play if they don't want to play with older kids?

Most middle school teams in Floyd County consist of 7th and 8th grade players. On the average they are 12-13 years old. Some of the 8th graders will turn 14 during the school year. Why should a 12 year old have to compete with a child who will soon be 16?
What i meant was, I believe parents complain to much about hold backs. But their child may be playing a couple levels higher than the average kid his age so what is the problem?

[ACE]

I have to disagree with Baskebtallonlyfan on the 2 years of middle school sports. Simply because some middle schools are grades 6-8 and other schools are still K-8. 1 year of participation at each grade level is appropriate. SFMS is the only 7-8 middle school in Floyd County. Or at least the only one I can think of right now.

I agree 1 year of participation at each grade level.

[m00se]

Moose, actually that isnt true. The NBA cant draft 17 or even some 18 or 19 year olds anymore. As far as what I think. I feel like if a kid is in school, and the grades are there, then they should not be held back. Most parents will hold back a child in the 7th grade for sports. The child ends up playing 3 years of middle school sports. Sad but true. I think that if a child gets held back for sports reasons, then the second 7th grade year they should not be allowed to compete. It should be the same as in high school. You should get two years of middle school for sports, and 4 years of high school for sports. If a child got held back for academic reasons, then that child most likely wont be able to play anyways.
My point is (I know the NBA wont draft HS kids anymore): College and Pro recruiters look for skill, they don't care how many times he held back as long they fit criteria and are of the legal age (at least 20 years old and must be out of high school for at least a year).

[m00se]

I agree 1 year of participation at each grade level.
that not exactly true. A few years back two kids from the Wesley Christian School held back and nothing happened. The next year a kid from the same school, and had to sit out a year as you said, but at Allen Central two players held back and played every single game.

[crazytaxidriver]

Moose, actually that isnt true. The NBA cant draft 17 or even some 18 or 19 year olds anymore. As far as what I think. I feel like if a kid is in school, and the grades are there, then they should not be held back. Most parents will hold back a child in the 7th grade for sports. The child ends up playing 3 years of middle school sports. Sad but true. I think that if a child gets held back for sports reasons, then the second 7th grade year they should not be allowed to compete. It should be the same as in high school. You should get two years of middle school for sports, and 4 years of high school for sports. If a child got held back for academic reasons, then that child most likely wont be able to play anyways.

I completely agree.

[THE BUS]

Okay you guys still haven't told me how it hurts the kid to get held back
you said it hurts the childern that don't?
well if the paretns are not smart enough to do whats best for the kids then ...........

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Okay you guys still haven't told me how it hurts the kid to get held back
you said it hurts the childern that don't?
well if the paretns are not smart enough to do whats best for the kids then ...........
Colleges dont care if you are a hold back or not. They mostly look at how you play for your age. They as a college have the chance to red shirt you for a year for maturity. Let the colleges do it instead of the parents who dont have enough confidence in there kids to let them stay where they should be.........

The post that said what Floyd County Middle School policy is. There are players playing their second year as a 7th grader this year. If they are having social or mental problems, they shouldnt be allowed to play. If the reason is because of social problems, let them stay in the stands there second 7th grade year and learn how to socialize.

I can say I think it is bad, because I do. I have a son who anyone in there right mind would say should have been held back in the 7th grade. I know if his mom and I would have, there would not be a player in the eastern part of the state that could have stopped him. The funny part is, we didnt hold him back, he is a year younger than most he playes against even in the freshman games. But as of to date, he still cant be stopped anyways, good players rise up to the challange, not back down from then and use age as an excuse.

[shafter9]

I agree..I was a hold back...I think that if your able to play sports whenever you get held back then its great...Theres not that much of a Diffrence...

[bballcrazee]

Parents that are concerned that their children may not be mature enough to be on their own at 17 or 18 need to consider the option of beginning kindergarten a year later. To hold a kid back in the 7th or 8th grade (unless it is for academic reasons) gives him/her the wrong message. School sports are to teach socialization skills, teamwork, and hopefully improve physical fitness. Parents need to remember, and let their kids know, that school is where you go to learn, not just somewhere you hang out till the next NBA draft.

[ACE]

Colleges dont care if you are a hold back or not. They mostly look at how you play for your age. They as a college have the chance to red shirt you for a year for maturity. Let the colleges do it instead of the parents who dont have enough confidence in there kids to let them stay where they should be.........

The post that said what Floyd County Middle School policy is. There are players playing their second year as a 7th grader this year. If they are having social or mental problems, they shouldnt be allowed to play. If the reason is because of social problems, let them stay in the stands there second 7th grade year and learn how to socialize.

I can say I think it is bad, because I do. I have a son who anyone in there right mind would say should have been held back in the 7th grade. I know if his mom and I would have, there would not be a player in the eastern part of the state that could have stopped him. The funny part is, we didnt hold him back, he is a year younger than most he playes against even in the freshman games. But as of to date, he still cant be stopped anyways, good players rise up to the challange, not back down from then and use age as an excuse.

I totally agree

[thetribe]

I've seen it happen plenty of times and I have to disagree with holding kids back.
It gives them an advantage over the people who are rightfully in that grade.
It allows them to play an extra year and get better but playing with other people their age and grade allows them to gain experience.
This would be the same scenario as Michael Jordan versus me one on one. He would gain the playing time, be able to work on plays, dribbling, shooting, etc. but it would not make him a better player experience wise. If there is no competition then you can only improve on minor things.

[Quincy Jones]

the main reason i think some kids get held back is to try to win a middle county championship

[THE BUS]

I somewhat agree with you tribe
but now a days getting held back is not really playing against kids younger then because so many people are doing
you look at the top players majoirty are hold backs

[BasketBallonlyfan]

It doesnt matter anyways BUS, at Virgie Middle School, getting held back for sports is a school requirement. Just like taking English, PE and Math. The only thing getting held back in middle school does is just make you a better middle school and freshman player. By the time you get to be a junior and senior, the advantage you had of being held back in the 7th grade is gone. Schools used to be a place to get a education. Not to increase ticket sales for the school during ball season.

[THE BUS]

Sounds like Basketballonlyfan is jealous of Virgie

[BelfryJustice]

I do not support holding kids back for sports! That isn't a good reason at all.


:boo:

[WOW]

I have to agree with Basketballonlyfan on holdbacks having the advantage on the middle school and freshmen level but the playing field seems to level itself back out in high school. I've always been told- you have to play against better players and teams if you want to get better. Playing against weaker opponents doesn't improve your skills.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Sounds like Basketballonlyfan is jealous of Virgie
Nope, not jealous about of valley. That is just the facts. Valley will hold kids back to have a better middle school team. The facts are still the same, by the time you hit your junior and senior year, you dont see kids that was held back being better players than ones who wasnt. Holding back just affects the middle school and freshman teams. Also, if a child has to be held back in middle school to be able to play better than there peers, maybe they should consider a different sport to play or just concentrate on the education part of of the school system. After all, that is the reason for schools anyways, to get a education. If you are a player, you will succeed if you are held back or not. I agree with what others are saying on here. You get better by playing against better players. If you get held back, you are generally playing against younger weaker players untill they get a year or two maturity under there belts.

[HappyGilmore]

Nope, not jealous about of valley. That is just the facts. Valley will hold kids back to have a better middle school team. The facts are still the same, by the time you hit your junior and senior year, you dont see kids that was held back being better players than ones who wasnt. Holding back just affects the middle school and freshman teams. Also, if a child has to be held back in middle school to be able to play better than there peers, maybe they should consider a different sport to play or just concentrate on the education part of of the school system. After all, that is the reason for schools anyways, to get a education. If you are a player, you will succeed if you are held back or not. I agree with what others are saying on here. You get better by playing against better players. If you get held back, you are generally playing against younger weaker players untill they get a year or two maturity under there belts.

I disagree 100%.

[THE BUS]

Thank you Happy
finally some agrees with me lol
and relizes its best for your kid

[bballcrazee]

I still think it's idiotic to put sports before education.

[TygerLil]

I think Virgie and Shelby Valley are the perfect arguments against hold backs. You have exceptional middle school teams, above average freshman teams, fair JV teams, and the mediocre varsity teams. By the varsity level there is no longer an age/size advantage because all players have reached a high degree of physical maturity. The reason for Valley's varsity dominance the past few years is no longer a factor. Rodney could have accomplished the same record with or without hold backs.:rock:

[THE BUS]

TygerLil

The reason Valley had a mediocore Varsity team is because the athletes that were on the exceptional middle school teams does not play at Valley the quit for some reason or another hint hint(THE COACH)
but its not because they all of a sudden lose there talent
i mena sure if u get held back in 7th grade and stop workin on your game then yea u will be good your 8th and freshman year
but if you get held back in 7th and work yoyur butt off like always then your going to be a great high school player

[TygerLil]

I never said the boys lose their talent. I'm just saying the players who were not held back gain physical maturity to equal that of those who were. They are still talented they just no longer hold the same advantage as before they other players matured.:Nodding:TygerLil

The reason Valley had a mediocore Varsity team is because the athletes that were on the exceptional middle school teams does not play at Valley the quit for some reason or another hint hint(THE COACH)
but its not because they all of a sudden lose there talent
i mena sure if u get held back in 7th grade and stop workin on your game then yea u will be good your 8th and freshman year
but if you get held back in 7th and work yoyur butt off like always then your going to be a great high school player

[The Retarded Frog]

i personally think if you get held back you do have an advantage over everyone else

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I agree, you have a advantage for a year or two. Only untill the others catch up with you physically. Then the stand out middle school players are just adverage or maybe a little bit more than average. How a player will do depends on how much dedication and heart they have. Of course talent comes into play some too. But the talent isnt because of the hold back. Let the colleges red shirt you a year if you need it. I wonder if the KHSAA passed a rule that if you play more than one year in any grade you sit out a year in high school, middle school included if the parents and coaches in middle school would be so fast to hold someone back??? I bet not...

[rain man]

i agree good post

[~snoopy~]

well i wouldnt hold my child back just for sports. but some kids could use and extra year of maturing!

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Just a point to make, South Floyds freshman team beat Valleys freshman team. SF's team does not have any hold backs, how many on Valleys team are hold backs?

[Sony33]

Disagree.....but the only reason a kid should be held back is for Academic Reasons....not Athletic I agree 100% !!

[JMac]

There should be so many factors considered when holding someone back and it should be a case by case basis. However, I am generally for the idea as most kids could use another year of physical maturity before heading off to college/work after high school. If it helps them in sports, so be it.

[98]

I tink you should lose a year of eligibility if you are held back for purely athletic purposes.

[98]

I tink you should lose a year of eligibility if you are held back for purely athletic purposes.And it should be your "senior" or last year in high school.

[JMac]

I tink you should lose a year of eligibility if you are held back for purely athletic purposes.

Nothing against your post, but I would like to hear some debate on how could you ever prove the motive was purely athletic?

Do you have to be a mental midget or slobbering on yourself to be held back for any other reason than athletics? What should be the qualifications to be held back?

Here is a scenario, you're kid is an A student, but he is one of the youngest in his class and you feel he shouldn't be starting college at 17. He happens to play sports, but has only mediocre talent at best. Never an all-star. Kinda of a nerd. You keep him back in hopes that he matures physically & socially because it is a debatable fact that at earlier ages physically mature kids are leaders socially. He happens to hit a growth spurt and now is bigger than most in his new class. Combine that with his mediocre talent and he is now better than most and he becomes an athlete in that class. With hard work he goes on to be better than was ever expected and the results turn out well for him. He even gets an athletic/academic scholarship to play at a small college, keeping his parents from paying his tuition.

Was this hold back purely athletic driven or were there other factors involved? Could those factors have been seen by anyone other than the parents?

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Nothing against your post, but I would like to hear some debate on how could you ever prove the motive was purely athletic?

Do you have to be a mental midget or slobbering on yourself to be held back for any other reason than athletics? What should be the qualifications to be held back?


If it was for any other reason but athletics, then the parents and players shouldnt object to them having to sit out sports for there second year in the same grade. It really cant be because of grades, because you have to pass your classes with a 2.0 GPA to be able to play sports anyways. Some schools have even have people on the honor roll being held back.

You keep him back in hopes that he matures physically & socially because it is a debatable fact that at earlier ages physically mature kids are leaders socially.
hold backs wont make you mature any ealier in age, only by keeping you back a grade. You will still get full maturity at the same age you normally would. Yes, a player could grow during the year they are held back. And that is normal for middle school players. But if they was getting held back for any other reason besides sports, then the parents and coaches should not have a problem with them sitting out the second year in the same grade. If they do have a problem with it, then most likely it was because of sports. And if at 17 you are not fully mature, then sit out a year between high school and college. If parents would make there children work a year between HS and college, then they would try harder in college to get a job where it isnt all physical labor or minimum wages.

Was this hold back purely athletic driven or were there other factors involved? Could those factors have been seen by anyone other than the parents?

If a school, or excuse me, a ballteam was to hold back one or two or more year in and year out, then yes, that also shows that it was for athletics. Also, why dont parents wait till the children get older to see if there maturity level catches up with the in high school? Let them try their freshman year and if they are not mature enough, hold them back then. The reason why is simple. If they get held back there freshman year, they do not get to play all 4 years. If they was holding them back for maturity or any other reason, then they should be more worried about their childrean instead of how they preform on the court or field.

[98]

Nothing against your post, but I would like to hear some debate on how could you ever prove the motive was purely athletic?

Do you have to be a mental midget or slobbering on yourself to be held back for any other reason than athletics? What should be the qualifications to be held back?

Here is a scenario, you're kid is an A student, but he is one of the youngest in his class and you feel he shouldn't be starting college at 17. He happens to play sports, but has only mediocre talent at best. Never an all-star. Kinda of a nerd. You keep him back in hopes that he matures physically & socially because it is a debatable fact that at earlier ages physically mature kids are leaders socially. He happens to hit a growth spurt and now is bigger than most in his new class. Combine that with his mediocre talent and he is now better than most and he becomes an athlete in that class. With hard work he goes on to be better than was ever expected and the results turn out well for him. He even gets an athletic/academic scholarship to play at a small college, keeping his parents from paying his tuition.

Was this hold back purely athletic driven or were there other factors involved? Could those factors have been seen by anyone other than the parents?If your kid is an A student and you held him back for those reasons you would be doing such a ridiculous disservice to that kid that if you can't see that then there is no point even having this discussion with you.

[WOW]

Floyd County requires middle/elementary school students to maintain a 2.5 GPA to be eligible to play sports. So you know they student isn't struggling to much if they are eligible all season. There are A students repeating a grade this year.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I just personally think it is funny when people say they are being held back for maturity reasons. I mean, if a 13 or 14 year old isnt mature enough to stay in the grade they are in, why move then down to people younger than them. Do you think that would make them more mature? I think it would be better to have them with other kids there own age group to mature more with them.

[JMac]

I agree with much of what you say Basketballonlyfan. I think it would be good to have a kid either sit out when they stay back the same grade or have to play athletics with the grade they should be in the next year. (i.e. stay back in the 6th have to sit out or play with the 7th/8th. Stay back in the 8th have to play Freshman or sit out.) Eventually they catch up in high school, but it doesn't have quite the same effect at that point.

I also agree that holding a child back won't help with some types of maturity. It can help with physical and social maturity, but not in other types. I'm a believer that pecking orders are established early in school and mostly based on physical behaviors. Social maturity can go along way toward a child's development.

A big reason I agree with hold backs at a younger age is that I feel children are molded and build their base on life in the early grades. Given the cir***stances in many high schools, it can be too late to deal with it at that age and grade levels.

Thanks for the great input.

[JMac]

there is no point even having this discussion with you.

I thought the point was to discuss the issue!?!?

you would be doing such a ridiculous disservice

The next question is who is in a better position to judge whether a child should be held back?

Mom/Dad, a teacher, the principle, the superintendent, the school board, the court system, the Government? For whatever reason, I generally feel that mom/dad have a better idea of what is good for their child than an outsider, although consulting with someone such as a guidance counselor would be a very good idea.

[98]

You're seriously going to argue holding a kid back to repeat a grade when he/she has straight A's?

Step away from the keyboard and think about what you're saying.

[JMac]

I would absolutely argue that there are more factors to be considered than grades or athletics. Neither one of those alone can prepare you for life after highschool.

[Sony33]

BL has a few hold backs.

[thetribe]

If your kid is an A student and you held him back for those reasons you would be doing such a ridiculous disservice to that kid that if you can't see that then there is no point even having this discussion with you.

I agree. I SAW this happen first hand. Two boys that I watched grow up were held back to play basketball another year in middle school. One was my good friend's brother and the other was his little cousin. All three of the boys were athletes. The younger brother and cousin were short growing up but were good atheletes, they played all of their lives, and as they got older they did get taller so it wasn't a size factor. It couldn't have been a maturity factor because their parents let them run around by themselves all the time and trusted them enough to let them loose at events with many, many, many people around and both boys were top of their class, always had straight A's growing up. It was purely to play basketball, no questions asked. My mom even talked to one of the boys' mom about it and was telling her that she thought that it was crazy that she held her son back because he was doing perfect in school and stuff. The mom just laughed and shrugged....Like was said before, if your kid has the grades to be eligible to play sports then they should not be held back for "academic reasons"..that is b.s.

[THE BUS]

I am considered a hold back I am a 14 yr old( turn 15 next month) 8th grader
I am in the top of my class in athletics and academics
I made homecoming which means i am very well liked
I was not held back in middle or elementary school
I started school i yr late because my MOM wanted me to spend a extra at home with her
People complain about my age and how stupid it is for me getting held back
But i see no problem in what my parents did
I was also held back because my dad graduted high school at 17 and felt like a young man shouldn't be on his own at that age
Now let me ask you a question
Is it so wrong what my parents did?

[FrAnKeE]

i disagree, if someone cant play with people there own age then they shouldnt play at all

yes yes, its jus not fair for kids the right age u kno??

[thetribe]

I am considered a hold back I am a 14 yr old( turn 15 next month) 8th grader
I am in the top of my class in athletics and academics
I made homecoming which means i am very well liked
I was not held back in middle or elementary school
I started school i yr late because my MOM wanted me to spend a extra at home with her
People complain about my age and how stupid it is for me getting held back
But i see no problem in what my parents did
I was also held back because my dad graduted high school at 17 and felt like a young man shouldn't be on his own at that age
Now let me ask you a question
Is it so wrong what my parents did?

That makes all of the difference. Holding you back one year before you were even in school doesn't make you a better athelete...you weren't playing sports at the time nor did it give you any sort of advantage besides maybe height over other kids in your grade..see my point?

[rambo]

i disagree with hold backs if you cant play people your own age you should not play at all

[DortonWildcat5]

Just a point to make, South Floyds freshman team beat Valleys freshman team. SF's team does not have any hold backs, how many on Valleys team are hold backs?

Are you positively sure that South Floyd has no holdbacks? I know that Valley has at least 2--Logan Bryant and Matt Adkins. They only have 5 freshman though. Elisha Justice from Dorton is a holdback and he is playing with them along with Cody Varney who is only 13 years old.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Are you positively sure that South Floyd has no holdbacks? I know that Valley has at least 2--Logan Bryant and Matt Adkins. They only have 5 freshman though. Elisha Justice from Dorton is a holdback and he is playing with them along with Cody Varney who is only 13 years old.
Yep, I am sure... no hold backs at South Floyd for the last two years. They have one now though in Shannon Turner, but he doesnt play freshman ball.

[THE BUS]

I mean all I hear is complants about my age and how im cheating and
i should be in high school and all this crap
and this is from parents
I'm talking 30 and 40 yr olds sayin this to a 14 yr old child i think it's sad and ridiclous
i was not held back for athletics it had nothing to do with it
And you know
I think starting school late was the best choice my parents could have made and i recomend for every child

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I mean all I hear is complants about my age and how im cheating and
i should be in high school and all this crap
and this is from parents
I'm talking 30 and 40 yr olds sayin this to a 14 yr old child i think it's sad and ridiclous
i was not held back for athletics it had nothing to do with it
And you know
I think starting school late was the best choice my parents could have made and i recomend for every child
If you dont want to hear what people think, dont ask the question... are we supposed to say something like.... it is ok to be held back to play ball even if your grades are good....

If you was not held back for athletic reasons, then how was you able to play because your grades have to be up to be able to play anyways.

Maturity? yea, but a 14 yr old in a room full of 12 and 13 year olds to gain maturity. That is a good idea, dont leave them in a room full of older more mature children.

[JMac]

In general, holding a child back for purely athletic reasons is inherently wrong. Not becasue of the hold back, but for not taking all factors into account.

Holding a child back that is a good students is not wrong per se. So long as all factors are taken into account and it was the best decision for that child.

It is not a black and white issue. In the end it is what is best for that particular child. I have never seen instances where a child that was academically successful and then held back did not flourish. That is no indicator that they wouldn't have flourished anyway, but it is all what is best for the children and that can't be determined in the vacuum of a message board.

[bballcrazee]

If your parents entered you in school a year late then technically you are not a hold back. So what did you want to know when you started the thread? Holding a child at home a year before entering first grade has nothing to do with sports of any kind and therefore really doesn't belong in the basketball forum. General discussion maybe? As far as you thinking people are being mean to a 14 yr old child, well, you didn't start the post with "I'm a 14 yr old child." People do tend to get a rough on here sometimes. If you and your parents all agree that holding you out a year before beginning school was best for you, why do you care what people think? I wouldn't if I were you.

[TERMINATOR X]

its not fair at all to athletes who are both academically and athletically talented,
it gives an advantage to those not gifted in school

[TERMINATOR X]

certain athletes get longer to develope, and more time to grow and mature as well as learn how to play a sport correctly

[TygerLil]

I mean all I hear is complants about my age and how im cheating and
i should be in high school and all this crap
and this is from parents
I'm talking 30 and 40 yr olds sayin this to a 14 yr old child i think it's sad and ridiclous
i was not held back for athletics it had nothing to do with it
And you know
I think starting school late was the best choice my parents could have made and i recomend for every child
STOP WHINING!!!! Wasn't it you that had a thread on here about making excuses? I have noticed you have no problem putting down kids younger than you in a lot of your posts. (I know that now since you have given your age) Now you get on here, ask for people's opinions and then cry when they say things you don't want to here. Why don't you show some of that maturity you claim to have gained by being held back and suck it up. If your old enough to dish it out, your old enough to take it.:lame:

[THE BUS]

Dude im not talking about ppl complain on here
i think everyone has thier opinions
when im talking about
Adults coming up to my face and telling my this
We won a EKY touranment and a elder women came on the floor and started yelling at us because we beat their team
I police officer had to excourt a guy off the court because he came after us
No im not whining
I am just telling you my opinion just like you told me yours
I mean i just think it sad that an adult around 30 yrs older then me would come after a ball team

[~snoopy~]

i know getting held back is the thing to do these days but look at the number of hold backs at virgie compared to other schools...
virgie has at least 4 if not all of their starting five has been held back..if im not mistaking!!!

[bballcrazee]

Maybe we are all not looking at the bigger picture here. I mean, if Virgie Middle School wins almost all there games like they have ever sense they started the holding back, won't that help the middle school coaches get the Valley High School job if the coach they have now leaves? I just think the parents and children need to decide if it is the best interest of the kids to have 4 or 5 a year held back. For whatever reasons they can justify holding them back, I just wonder if they would still do it if they had to sit out a year like others have said on here. What about you "BUS" would you be held back if you had to sit out a year?

[THE BUS]

Hey i told you my mother held me back because she wanted to spend an extra year at home with me
It had nothing to do with athletici play AAU ball with me age gourp not my grade
So bballcrazee thats prove that it wasn't for athletics
It doesn't matter anyways
I was made the all state team last yr at the middle school state tourament as a 7th grader
i would have still made it if i was a 8th grader

[bballcrazee]

I am considered a hold back I am a 14 yr old( turn 15 next month) 8th grader
I am in the top of my class in athletics and academics
I made homecoming which means i am very well liked
I was not held back in middle or elementary school
I started school i yr late because my MOM wanted me to spend a extra at home with her
People complain about my age and how stupid it is for me getting held back
But i see no problem in what my parents did
I was also held back because my dad graduted high school at 17 and felt like a young man shouldn't be on his own at that age
Now let me ask you a question
Is it so wrong what my parents did?


I was just asking if you would let them hold you back if you knew you couldnt play the second year. I never said you was a hold back, I was just asking your opinion.

The second line down in this post. "I am in the top of my class in athletics and academics", are you sure you are in the top of the class in both? Your spelling and grammer is very bad for a top in your class.

[THE BUS]

I have a 4.0
wow i can't spell good
but did you know that on the cats test that is taking at the end of the yr you get to use a dictionary
I am currently taking Algebra 1( a freshmen class) and have made A+ both 9 weeks
anyways i was a 5 yr old
I didn't let them hold me back i had no cjoise
but i do think it was the best thing for me

[bballcrazee]

So why do you get mad when people don't agree with holding back if you are not a holdback? You said in a earlier post that what people are saying to a 14 year old is sad. If you are not a hold back, then why worry about what people say? You asked if it was good or bad to be held back. 99% said it was bad and you got offended over it.

Do YOU think it is good to hold children back that have good grades just to play a ball game? Also, do you think all the children that Virgie has held back in the last two or three years would allow themselfs to be held back if they had to sit out the second year? Just your opinion, I know you don't know for a fact if they would or not. Remember we are talking about holdbacks in this thread, not starting school a year late. So those two questions are not directed to you being a 15 year old 8th grader. But more as you a person.

[THE BUS]

I know that
and like i said eairler when i sad i thought it was sad i wasn't talk about what ppl where saying on here
I was talking about in person
when we won a touranment
IMO it took away from the win
your talking about setting bad examples
waht do you think parents that embrass themselves and have to be excourted off
My coach went to tell his son good game and the man came after him
so i have not been offend be anything said on here i like hearing every1 opinion
but if i disagree with thier poinion im going to tell them mine
and that is what this site is for

[m00se]

i disagree with hold backs if you cant play people your own age you should not play at all
Wow, i have condescended almost every post you have made, but not intentionally.
I disagree with what you said again, hold backs take so much crap from peoople its not even remotely funny. Consider this, a seventh grader holds back a year, the next year everyone gives him trouble over holding back because he's 14 and the rest of the seventh graders in his county or area are 13. This same kid is penalized because he holds back. Now, let's fast forward a few years, the same kid is in his freshman year. the other players on the freshman team are a year younger, but one of them is on the varsity and getting considerable playing time. Kid 1 (the holdback) is not on varsity. Now kid 2 (the "super-star") complained years back about playing kid 1 who was older than him, but now he is playing against 17, 18, and 19 year olds. Why did kid2 have a right to complain about playing against hold backs, when he will eventually be playing against kids older than him anyway if he has any skill at all? Parents and kids have their own reasons for holding back, so what are you going to do about it anyway? Why is it fair to penalize kids who have held back with good reason? Can you answer my questions? The floor is open to all. (By the way, read my quote it makes a strong statement)

[THE BUS]

All im going to say is
If me being a year older then the kids in my grade gives me a better advantage to get a D-1 Scholarship then I am glad of getting held back not ashamed
PPL may say well if he was playing against kids his own age he wouldn't have got it
but I don't care cause it would be best for me
And i am living my life to do what is best for me not what is best for the other childern

[BasketBallonlyfan]

All im going to say is
If me being a year older then the kids in my grade gives me a better advantage to get a D-1 Scholarship then I am glad of getting held back not ashamed
PPL may say well if he was playing against kids his own age he wouldn't have got it
but I don't care cause it would be best for me
And i am living my life to do what is best for me not what is best for the other childern
Did you start school a year later than most, or are you a holdback? they are two totally different things...

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Most people responding to this thread are against hold backs in the sixth, seventh, and eighth grades strictly for athletics. It is not a fair practice if it is done to gain a size/experience advantage over the younger kids. If your parents kept you out a year before entering school because they wanted you to be older at graduation, you are NOT a holdback. So what are you arguing for: 1. keep children at home an extra year.
OR
2. hold back in 7th or 8th grade??

[thetribe]

Most people responding to this thread are against hold backs in the sixth, seventh, and eighth grades strictly for athletics. It is not a fair practice if it is done to gain a size/experience advantage over the younger kids. If your parents kept you out a year before entering school because they wanted you to be older at graduation, you are NOT a holdback. So what are you arguing for: 1. keep children at home an extra year.
OR
2. hold back in 7th or 8th grade??

Good post. That's the message that I've been trying to get across as well.

[THE BUS]

I think the kids need to have an extra year before the gradute
Now weather it is staying a year later or getting held back in later grades
I think it is better for the child to stay home year but sometimes the parents doesn't realize that they want to hold thier kid back utill it's almost to late
I know some ppl don't agree but i think it is still ok to get held back in 7th or 8th grade

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I think the kids need to have an extra year before the gradute
Now weather it is staying a year later or getting held back in later grades
I think it is better for the child to stay home year but sometimes the parents doesn't realize that they want to hold thier kid back utill it's almost to late
I know some ppl don't agree but i think it is still ok to get held back in 7th or 8th grade
If you started school on time, then it was decited that you was going to be held back in lets say the 7th grade. You find out you have to sit out your second year in the 7th grade, would you still go ahead and be held back even if you knew you couldnt play or practice with the team? Would you still be willing to be held back then?

[BC75]

i also agree with stat

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Answer those two quesitons up there BUS ^^ One other point to make on the hold backs. The two best players in this area, Landon Slone, and Clark Stepp, neither are hold backs. They are standing out in high school, not just the middle school level. Another name you will be hearing about in a couple years in the high school level will be Clint Stepp. And before you ask, no he isnt a hold back either.

[flashback_7]

Answer those two quesitons up there BUS ^^ One other point to make on the hold backs. The two best players in this area, Landon Slone, and Clark Stepp, neither are hold backs. They are standing out in high school, not just the middle school level. Another name you will be hearing about in a couple years in the high school level will be Clint Stepp. And before you ask, no he isnt a hold back either.
Clint Stepp...dont you mean Clark Stepp

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Clint Stepp...dont you mean Clark Stepp
Clint is Clark's younger brother.

[THE BUS]

Hey basketballonlyfan
You know the real star at JBS Tate Cox
He is a double hold back
also clint stepp isn't going to do nothing in high school
sure he can shoot we his hott but thats all
He can't handle the ball real well doesn't play defense
And another football and baseball star that you will be hearing about is Daniel Harmon and he is also a double hold back
And another guy thats a double hold back is John Johnson
He is a decent basketball player but a great football player he has gotten letters form Norte Dame and other big D-1 programs
Every heard of Matt Clevenger he is a hold back
I think i'm not postive put i think Brandon May might be a hold back(not for sure though)
Seth Kiser and Kesley Freind were both double hold backs
But it sounds like what you are saying is that getting held back makes you a worse player whcih there is no way it does
So let's see thats 7or 8 that are good players that have been held back for a year or some time two years and also THE GREAT O>J mayo is not the right age
O.j is a jounior and he really shou;d be a collage freshman
dosn't anyone say anything about that
He got his birth certificate when he was two years old which rly makes him a 19 year old joinor which means that he shouldn't be avle to play his senoir year
THE KING JAMES was a hold back he graduated at 19 not 18 like kids the right age

[reporterforbs]

Policies differ for different counties systems on hold back but actual adhesion to those policies depends upon the school system. For instance Floyd County supposed to have a stringent rule discouraging the hold back of kids. The policy says if you repeat you do not get to play that year. This policy is enforced only in the most severe cir***stances. They have tried to punish the private schools in the past for allowing kids to repeat but when kids from Allen Central, South Floyd and Betsy Layne repeated they were on the rosters during the season and during the tourneys. But that is besides the point.
Parents repeat their kids for several reasons, Kids also decide to repeat for several reasons. It all comes down to the future of the child. I know at least 6 kids who have repeated (all now sophomes at 16 turning 17). Each child repeated or was encouraged to repeat in order to gain emotional and physical maturity. (Not all gain the emotional BTW.) Every parent encouraged it in order to improve their child's chances of gaining a scholarship whether academically or athletically. Two of the kids have express regrets for the repeat because they miss their friends. The other four have used the extra year to grow bodily strong in mental and bodily muscle. Is it right? Your's and mine are just opinions. I give it an okay. But I know there are situations where it has been a mistake.

[HappyGilmore]

Hey basketballonlyfan
You know the real star at JBS Tate Cox
He is a double hold back
also clint stepp isn't going to do nothing in high school
sure he can shoot we his hott but thats all
He can't handle the ball real well doesn't play defense
And another football and baseball star that you will be hearing about is Daniel Harmon and he is also a double hold back
And another guy thats a double hold back is John Johnson
He is a decent basketball player but a great football player he has gotten letters form Norte Dame and other big D-1 programs
Every heard of Matt Clevenger he is a hold back
I think i'm not postive put i think Brandon May might be a hold back(not for sure though)
Seth Kiser and Kesley Freind were both double hold backs
But it sounds like what you are saying is that getting held back makes you a worse player whcih there is no way it does
So let's see thats 7or 8 that are good players that have been held back for a year or some time two years and also THE GREAT O>J mayo is not the right age
O.j is a jounior and he really shou;d be a collage freshman
dosn't anyone say anything about that
He got his birth certificate when he was two years old which rly makes him a 19 year old joinor which means that he shouldn't be avle to play his senoir year
THE KING JAMES was a hold back he graduated at 19 not 18 like kids the right age

Let me add a couple more to your list:

Doug Howard of Belfry - Holdback
David Jones of Belfry - Holdback
Paul Howard of Belfry - Holdback
Tyler Bostic of Belfry - Holdback
J.J. Hylton of Belfry - Holdback

I know for a fact there are many I left out, but I am trying to throw out recognizable names.

Also, just to show you how much of a maturity advantage it can be for young men listen to this. Doug Howard was exactly 5'10" tall when he graduated at the age of 19. Now, half a year out of high school he has grown to 5'11 1/4". Now, if you think that isn't a big difference ask Doug the #1 reason he didn't go D-I.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

You still never answered the question, if a player had to sit out the second year in the same grade, in your opinion do you think they would be so quick to be held back? For every name you can menton that was held back, another name can be mentioned that was not held back. When exactly did it become popular to be held? When I was in school, parents and the kids were embarassed if they had to repeat a grade.

Your favorite thing of saying is you are a 14 year old. Sorry to break the news to you, but at 14 you dont know what is best or what isnt best. Your parents dont know what is best for you, they are pretty much like every other parent in the world. They have to do what they THINK is best for you. Sometimes parents are right, other times they are wrong.

As far as the real star at JBS, sorry dood, it is Clark at the moment, read threads in here, you here more about Clark than any other player on JBS. With Clint, how do you know with him being a 8th grader what he will play like in 2 or 3 years? How do you know for a fact that you will be a star in two or three years as a matter of fact? Players change, peoples opinion changes on things, for now, it is my opinion that he will be a above average player. Time will tell, I am sorry, I will take my opinion over that of a 14 year old anyday. Oh wait, I forgot, 14 year olds know everything that is best in life.

The hold backs you mentioned, I hope you dont mean Seth Kiser for maturity. Isnt he the one who wants to run up in the stands and fight people who put heckle him? The same one who quit in mid season because things didnt go his way? John Johnson, if he got those letters for football, good luck to him. It didnt help him much in basketball. And getting letters from colleges isnt the same as getting a scholarship offer.

[DTA]

Holding kids back has been going on in Floyd for at least 20-25 years. I did not hold back and it did effect my game at all. I could have been 20 years old as a soph and I still would have scored my mediocre 8 points a game. You have some good views bballonly. Looks like someone missed the Bus:lmao:

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I just dont know when it went from kids and parents both where ashamed to have there kids held back a grade to it being expected for them to be at certian schools.

But, players will play. I think if a kid plays against people his own age group or even older than they are, they will be better off in the long run. Playing against kids younger than you are so you can push them around in middle school is one way to step up as a player. But facts are the same, after all players go threw there changes in life which happens around the middle school level, the top players rise to the top and the others just show up. Being held back really doesnt help when you get to the junior and senior level. Let the colleges red shirt players for a year if they need to mature more. Let the high schools just worry more about the education the kids are supposed to be getting.

[WOW]

So you think getting a birth certificate at the age of 2 makes your age incorrect. Sorry, but the birth certificate is registered within days of birth. Some people don't get a copy of their childs birth certificate until they are ready to start school. Date of birth will still be the same, regardless of when you contact Vital Statistics and request your copy.

[warrior45]

disagree,it is not fair....1 school did this and they r 1st place every year, it is not right to the other schools who work there butts off and then get beat by a bunch of 16 year olds on a junior high team.

[DTA]

Do the math warrior 45. It is impossible to be 16 in the eighth gade because this would make you 20 years old and ineligible your senior year. :rules: I will accept 15 years old but not 16.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

But sometimes players get held back to much and they cant play there senior year. Didnt that happen at BL or AC? I remember people talking about it but I cant remember where it happened at.

[WOW]

But sometimes players get held back to much and they cant play there senior year. Didnt that happen at BL or AC? I remember people talking about it but I cant remember where it happened at.


Seems like I recall a situation like that.

One I recall was a kid started school late- then got held back in 2nd or 3rd grade. In middle school he was held back again because of major surgery or illness and the amount of school he missed. Not sure what school this happened at, just remember all the talk.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

That is something that players and parents need to look at before jumping the gun on the hold backs. If they hold there kids back in the 7th grade, then sometime in high school they get a bad injury or sickness, then they lose a year of high school ball. If they wasnt held back in middle school, then they could still have 4 years of high school to play. What is more importiant into getting into college, your second year of 7th grade, or how you do in 4 years in high school?

[~snoopy~]

i dont think parents should start kids late..for the fact of the matter is that what if they actually need to be retained for academics..and if they do play sports this could make them loose their senior year...

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I still think it is funny that the BUS was asked three or four times if he even thought if you got held back if so many kids would be doing it. I never got an answer on any of them. It seems to me that getting held back is becoming more and more popular, but it also seems to be a bigger problem at some schools than others.

So what about it BUS? Do you think that kids would be so willing to be held back if they had to sit out the second year in the same grade?

[thetribe]

There are more kids that do not get heldback than there is that do but the list that BUS posted did illustrate a point. LOTS of those boys have been great athletes. I don't think that the hold back gave them a size advantage (John Johnson it did) but it just gave them more experience under their belt and more practice. It proved to be good moves though. It was strictly for athletics IMO but it does happen and always will until there are rules against it. I say the thing should be passed about if a player gets held back then they sit out that year and stuff like that. It can be proved that it was for athletics if you just look at their grades. If they have the grades to stay on the team then they have the grades to pass in school..simple.

[callmeclutch]

I don't think it should be allowed. But then again there some of these schools who have middle school super stars that are 15 and 16 years old. in that case i dont think the schools with kids that have been held back should be allowed to compete in tournaments. I dont have nothing against provate schools but if you notice most of these private schools have the kids taht have been held back!

[callmeclutch]

Answer those two quesitons up there BUS ^^ One other point to make on the hold backs. The two best players in this area, Landon Slone, and Clark Stepp, neither are hold backs. They are standing out in high school, not just the middle school level. Another name you will be hearing about in a couple years in the high school level will be Clint Stepp. And before you ask, no he isnt a hold back either.


Clark is a hold back along with his other team mate Tate. Both of these boys were held back in middle school. Clark is suppose to be a junior while tate is suppose to be a sophmore. and tate is only in the 8th grade!

[Bo Duke]

nothing wrong with with holdbacks

[m00se]

nothing wrong with with holdbacks
Amen brother, amen!!!:wenumber1 :theman: Bo Duke

[Grizzly]

I agree with it, from personal experience (lets not get too harsh on me for holding back) it helped me in numerous ways. MAINLY it makes school easier, helps greatly with you GPA and how well you understand your schoolwork, you graduate at a much more mature age and are more prepared to take on college or the workforce. I look at it that it doesn't cost anything and ANYONE can do it. And when you first do it, it is a sacrafice a lot of your friend move on but gives you the opportunity to make new ones. An unfair advantage is having or doing something that others don't have the privelege or opportunity to do, that is why holding back is not unfair. Anyone that wants to can do so.

[Bo Duke]

i like hold backs

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I agree with it, from personal experience (lets not get too harsh on me for holding back) it helped me in numerous ways. MAINLY it makes school easier, helps greatly with you GPA and how well you understand your schoolwork, you graduate at a much more mature age and are more prepared to take on college or the workforce. I look at it that it doesn't cost anything and ANYONE can do it. And when you first do it, it is a sacrafice a lot of your friend move on but gives you the opportunity to make new ones. An unfair advantage is having or doing something that others don't have the privelege or opportunity to do, that is why holding back is not unfair. Anyone that wants to can do so.
So, you think it is ok to hold back someone just for sports? You have to have at least a 2.0 to be able to play sports at all in school. So it doesnt matter that some kids that are honor roll students gets held back for a game?

[WOW]

Floyd County requires a 2.5 gpa for middle school players.

[Grizzly]

Well i was held back in elementary school for other reasons, but if it does help the child out in the end, meaning more mature for college, better grades through school then i agree with it. If a kid does have a 3.0 gpa and it helps him to get a 3.5 gpa then progress was made. If sports are taken out of the picture it is still better for a child to graduate at 18 or 19 opposed to 16 or 17. Everyone has their own opinion but I am speaking from experience and I know that it did greatly help me on the court but more importantly off the court. Whether a child is help back for the wrong reasons or the right ones in will still benefit them.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Would you have been held back if it ment losing a year of playing in the high school level? And how can it be justified holding back a kid that has a 3.0 GPA in hopes of getting a 3.5? Would that make any difference at all when you start high school?

Alot of people say they get held back for maturity reasons. How does that help someone in the long run? Do the parents say, "thats ok son, you are not ready for high school stay back a year and play another year of sports then you will be."? What if they STILL are not mature enough, and yes, alot of sophmore, juniors and seniors are not mature enough for there age. If maturity is the reason, I guess it helps to put a older kid in a room full of younger ones for a role model on imaturity. Why not hold them back when they are freshman? Just to see if the summer will help them any? Because you lose a year of playing, so it all goes down to the same thing. It isnt a hold back for maturity, it is a hold back for another year of playing sports. School is for education, not for playing a game.

[WOW]

I've never known of any college requesting a copy of a students elementary/middle school transcripts.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I've never known of any college requesting a copy of a students elementary/middle school transcripts.
LOL, that is what I was getting at WOW... I can see a college not letting a high school senior in because that D they got there 7th grade year in English.

[WOW]

I know a family in the 15th region who held both their sons back for sports. They made no bones about- they were straight up about it. As a Freshmen the oldest son started Varsity. He went on to receive a D1 scholarship for basketball- he didn't return to school after the 1st semester. He came back and went on to ALC to play a few semesters before going on to MSU and completing his degree. He did not play basketball at MSU. The younger son also started Varsity as a Freshmen- he went on to quit during his senior year just prior to the disctrict tournament starting. I don't see what good "holding back" did either of these boys. Both were A students in elementary/middle school also.

[M.V.P.]

Disagree, it is unfair to toher students if a kid stays back

[Ice man]

Kids who are strugling in the classrooms should be held back.Weather they play sports or not. Boy or girl. After all education is what rely matters.

[basketballjones]

Disagree, it is unfair to toher students if a kid stays back

Couldn't the other students stay back also?

[WOW]

Couldn't the other students stay back also?

Most parents wouldn't want to hold their child back unless they were struggling in school. There are players staying back who have 3.5 gpa's and higher.

[basketballjones]

To me this is a personal decision with the parties involved and if they choose to hold back then it is their business and their business only. Everyone has the same choice to make and that is fair.

[m00se]

Most parents wouldn't want to hold their child back unless they were struggling in school. There are players staying back who have 3.5 gpa's and higher.
Everyone is entitled to one year to hold back. It is their job to determine whether or not they'll hold back.

[ACE]

I disagree with holding kids back, but if they are they should do it before they start school for maturity reasons, not when they are up in grades and are just wanting to be a little more dominate in their class.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Dont ya love it though when they say kids are held back for maturity reasons, then they play high school ball anyways? If they are not mature enough for them to be in high school, why play them?

[Imnottelling]

Everyone is entitled to one year to hold back. It is their job to determine whether or not they'll hold back.

I agree with m00se. Parents and students alike are free to choose that route if they so desire. That is one of the things that makes this country free. Don't knock kids who have chosen to hold back just because you don't agree with it. You haven't lived their lives so you don't know their reasons for it.

[WOW]

Dont ya love it though when they say kids are held back for maturity reasons, then they play high school ball anyways? If they are not mature enough for them to be in high school, why play them?

Good point.

[basketballjones]

I think the maturity part would be when they graduate high school. I know some kids that graduate when they are 17 and that is too young.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

So... parents can tell how mature there kids will be 4 years into the future? Most insurance will cover children untill their 18th birthday unless they are in school. Why not let them graduate high school at 17, then 4 years of college will have them graduating college at 21 when they are off there parents insurance and got a job of their own so they keep coverage.

[basketballjones]

What if they don't want to go to college? Then at 17 they can't get a full time job.

[WOW]

Most kids who graduate at 17 will turn 18 within just a few months. Most likely before October 1 of that same year. How many kids go to work full time within 4-5 months of graduation (regardless of being 17 or 18)?

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Most kids who graduate at 17 will turn 18 within just a few months. Most likely before October 1 of that same year. How many kids go to work full time within 4-5 months of graduation (regardless of being 17 or 18)?
Shoot, I am 40, I STILL dont want to work full time!!!

[DUECE67]

As far as a child graduating at 17, I think people should not start their child in school as early.Although holding them back does help their maturity level,it doesn't work on all kids.The simplest answer here is to start them in school later.As far as holding back,it should be for academics only and not for sports.Those that hold back for academics should lose that year of elegibility to study.That would level the playing field for everyone.It would also allow alot more children to concentrate on their playing a game and honing their skills instead of playing scared because they are playing against what should be high schoolers.Just my thoughts here.

[basketballjones]

The playing field is level because everyone has the choice to hold back, but if I had a kid I would start them late.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

if you start them late, or hold back, then either way, one injury and they will lose there senior year. If you dont, start them when they are supposed to start, keep them in the right grade. Then if they have a bad injury, they can be red shirted one year and still play for 4 years.

[WOW]

You can't redshirt in highschool. Once you are promted from 8th to 9th grade your clock starts ticking. An injury/illness which prevents you from participating in sports does not give you another year.

[Imnottelling]

if you start them late, or hold back, then either way, one injury and they will lose there senior year. If you dont, start them when they are supposed to start, keep them in the right grade. Then if they have a bad injury, they can be red shirted one year and still play for 4 years.

I didn't know you could red shirt in high school. Since when? I think you might be wrong on that one.

[HappyGilmore]

I didn't know you could red shirt in high school. Since when? I think you might be wrong on that one.

I think the poster is talking about a medical redshirt.

Very hard to come by, as a matter of fact, I don't know anyone who has been granted a medical redshirt.

[Imnottelling]

I think the poster is talking about a medical redshirt.

Very hard to come by, as a matter of fact, I don't know anyone who has been granted a medical redshirt.

In high school? Well, go figure! You learn something new everyday.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I dont know if you still can or not, but a few years ago you could if you had a serious injury or illness. In years past in order to do it, you had to miss a certian amout of days in school due to your medical condition.

[HappyGilmore]

In high school? Well, go figure! You learn something new everyday.

I know one guy who had a realistic chance of getting a medical redshirt during my senior year of high school. His name is Hobie Dotson. Flat-out tough football player, leading returning rusher going into our senior year at Belfry, and as physical as they come.

We were scrimmaging Tates Creek on an old turf practice field near the Nutter Fieldhouse in LEX. A guy makes a routine tackle on Hobie and what I saw next was one of the most awful things you can see on the football field. Somehow, Hobie's foot had stayed planted on the turf while the rest of his body rolled in the direction the tackler took him. Hobie went to get up but the only thing keeping his foot attached to the rest of his body was the skin. Both bones in his lower leg completely snapped and he spent the entire school year in & out of surgery and on crutches.

I asked him if he wanted to get a medical redshirt and he said he didn't feel like he would ever be the same so he wanted to just move on with his life. Can't say I blame him either.

[WOW]

The injury or illness would have to interfere with the educational process. KHSAA doesn't specify on their website/bylaws the exact number of days that you need to miss - but it can't simply be because you missed a sport season. I think you still have to follow the age guidline of turning 19 prior to August 1 of the current school year. Just guessing- but I'd say KHSAA could make the process near to impossible if they chose to.

Does anyone know of any cases where a student was approved for another year of eligibility?

[i-dono]

IMO there are only good things to come for "hold backs" in every aspect. Last B-Ball season Shelby Valley's 3 best players were "hold backs". Pat Tackett, Seth Kiser, and Kelsey Friend were outstanding Ball players 3.8-4.0 students, and fine young men who are all 3 now in college. This is my argument. For a current reference, Pikevilles Daniel Harmion is also a 2 year "hold back", and he's all the above!

[Eagle Eye]

You can't redshirt in highschool. Once you are promted from 8th to 9th grade your clock starts ticking. An injury/illness which prevents you from participating in sports does not give you another year.


Yes it does!! I know a couple of instances where it has happened. I think you have to be out of school for a certain time frame to count, but I know it has happened before in the 15th region.:thumb: I think there is nothing to lose in holding a kid back. I was a hold back and it did nothing but help me in my maturity, my confidence, and of course my athletics. I fought my parents because it was their suggestion and I had to let all of my friends go on but to this day I thank them for doing it. It also helped me get a college scholarship in a sport which if I hadn't been held back then I probably would not have even got to play. A lot of things to consider when this is done but only positives come out of it. By the way I was top 10 in my class of over 300 so academics was not a question.

[free throw]

I agree with hold backs. Seventeen is to young to be on your own.

[Imnottelling]

Yes it does!! I know a couple of instances where it has happened. I think you have to be out of school for a certain time frame to count, but I know it has happened before in the 15th region.:thumb: I think there is nothing to lose in holding a kid back. I was a hold back and it did nothing but help me in my maturity, my confidence, and of course my athletics. I fought my parents because it was their suggestion and I had to let all of my friends go on but to this day I thank them for doing it. It also helped me get a college scholarship in a sport which if I hadn't been held back then I probably would not have even got to play. A lot of things to consider when this is done but only positives come out of it. By the way I was top 10 in my class of over 300 so academics was not a question.

Good post Eagle Eye

[free throw]

I am all for holding them back. They are going to get their education anyway and 17 is just too young to go to college. If you want to compete in sports, everybody that is any good is a hold back. So I think it should be left to the parents and the child.

[WOW]

Yes it does!! I know a couple of instances where it has happened. I think you have to be out of school for a certain time frame to count, but I know it has happened before in the 15th region.:thumb: I think there is nothing to lose in holding a kid back. I was a hold back and it did nothing but help me in my maturity, my confidence, and of course my athletics. I fought my parents because it was their suggestion and I had to let all of my friends go on but to this day I thank them for doing it. It also helped me get a college scholarship in a sport which if I hadn't been held back then I probably would not have even got to play. A lot of things to consider when this is done but only positives come out of it. By the way I was top 10 in my class of over 300 so academics was not a question.

If you notice- I stated an injury/illness that causes you to miss a sports season. Sports alone cannot be the reason you get the extra year. However it can be done - the educational process had to be interrupted. The injury/illness would have to have been severe enough to cause you to miss a substantial amount of school. Of course- the KHSAA website does not specify how much school has to be missed. I'm assuming they approve/disapprove on a case by case basis.

[m00se]

I didn't know you could red shirt in high school. Since when? I think you might be wrong on that one.You can't red shirt until college.

[free throw]

Clark Stepp is a hold back. He was held back in the early grade, like the 5th .

[free throw]

all the 8 th graders at Carr Creek [going into Knott Central] were held back so they could win the county championship last year. I don't think it is legal to hold an 8th grader back. Richardson, Amburgey, and Christian were held back. They demoted .them to the 7th grade at the the end of the year , then passed them back to the 8th.

[free throw]

Clinton Stepp is also a holdback. Held back in earlier grade.

[free throw]

Any body that is any good is a hold back. As long as they are eligible to play all 4 years of high school. They are going to get their education. They will be more ready for college at 18 or 19.

[free throw]

Cox is an 8th grader playing high school varsity ball. They held him back because they didn't want him to graduate at 17. He was the youngest kid in his class. Now I think that is his families business. They didn't hold him back because he couldn't play with kids his age. He could always play better. He is elgible to play all 4 yrs. of high school.

[sf_football]

i disagree

[Homer Simpson]

i dont like the idea

[free throw]

:yesno: :watch: So

[Space Jam]

Disagree, if you can't compete with kids your own age then you shouldn't be able to compete. Not fair to the class under you.
i agree

[basketballjones]

That class can hold back too if they want too. It's a choice of the person who's doing it and theirs alone.

[Bo Duke]

nothin wronga with them makes bad players stars just ask josh prater

[WOW]

Cox is an 8th grader playing high school varsity ball. They held him back because they didn't want him to graduate at 17. He was the youngest kid in his class. Now I think that is his families business. They didn't hold him back because he couldn't play with kids his age. He could always play better. He is elgible to play all 4 yrs. of high school.

Cox is an eighth grader who should be a sophomore. He will be 16 before his freshmen year begins.

[Bo Duke]

Cox is a **********.

[free throw]

:thumb: That class can hold back too if they want too. It's a choice of the person who's doing it and theirs alone.:thanks: Every body has a right to their opinion and to act on it.

[free throw]

Cox is an eighth grader who should be a sophomore. He will be 16 before his freshmen year begins. He is Eligible to play all 4 yrs. in high school!

[WOW]

He is Eligible to play all 4 yrs. in high school!

I never implied he wasn't eligible all 4 years. I simply stated - he will be 16 when his freshmen year begins.

[RANDALL FLAG]

I AGREE THAT KIDS SHOULDN'T BE HELD BACK FOR ATHLETIC REASONS, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT IT HAPPENS. MAYBE A BETTER SOLUTION WOULD BE TO REQUIRE THAT KIDS BE 6 YRS OLD BEFORE THEY STARTED FIRST GRADE. THEN THERE SHOULD BE NO QUESTION ABOUT MATURITY LEVELS. JUST MY OPINION. :salute:

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Ok, let me ask this question. How many players in the area that are hold backs are playing at a higher level in college than if they stayed in there own grade and practiced harder? Sure some will say they got into Pikeville, Alice Lloyd or such that they wouldnt have if they wasnt held back. How do they know that for sure? Is that just a way to justify getting held back? If anyone in this area should have been held back for sports, or to go to a D-1 school. My boy would have been the number one choice. But he wasnt held back. Instead, he practices three times a day, sometimes spending as much as 6 hours a day in the gym to make himself better. That isnt counting the hours he spends in gyms such as the YMCA's or anything just to shoot and handle the ball. Why not try to get your kids to excell by working hard.

[free throw]

What makes you think they don't work hard? A lot of these boys play all year round. They play AAU and summer ball and open gym. They play on their own goals and never a day goes by with out playing 2 or 3 hours. It all works together. They don't stay back to get a year off.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

What makes you think they don't work hard? A lot of these boys play all year round. They play AAU and summer ball and open gym. They play on their own goals and never a day goes by with out playing 2 or 3 hours. It all works together. They don't stay back to get a year off.

But how many of them has it actually made a difference for? Or is it just a year from their lives with nothing to show for it?

[free throw]

I can't tell you that, I just agree with letting them be at least 18 before they graduate. 17 is just too young. And how many has it hurt? Bet you can't tell me that.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I didnt say they didnt work as hard, or that they didnt put in the hours. I am just saying, if they are willing to put in the time and effort then they could go to college anyway without being held back. When did parents stop pushing their children to try harder to excel instead of telling them to take a extra year off to get what they want out of life. It could be that maybe parents dont really have enough confidence in their children anymore or something????

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I can't tell you that, I just agree with letting them be at least 18 before they graduate. 17 is just too young. And how many has it hurt? Bet you can't tell me that.
17 is too young? Sorry to tell ya this, but we actually have 17 year olds in our military. So if at 17 they are old enough to protect this country, surely a 17 year old can pass freshman English.

[free throw]

Do you want your kid in the military at 17? Lots of them have been killed . I think a kid should not have to deal with war at this point in their life. I would rather keep them at home and I think some of them will go on to bigger and better things and not have to have their lives put in danger.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I was in the military at 17.... and at my last physical, my doc told me I am still alive. If parents want their children to start college at 18 instead of 17, why not just let them take a year out of studies between their high school and college years. Maybe make them get a part time job to show them just how importiant an education really is. Let them do high school level work for a year and they will want to get a better job from having a college education.

So let me ask again. How many people has being held back to play a extra year of sports in high school has either gotten a degree from a better school than if they would have worked harder in practice and stayed in their own grade. The fact is, no one can answer that question because they cant go back in time. When did it become the "in" thing to do to be held back? When did parents stop pushing their kids to excel?

[free throw]

This is not going to be decided here. You have your opinion and I have mine. No hard feelings on this side. Good bye

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Do you want your kid in the military at 17? Lots of them have been killed . I think a kid should not have to deal with war at this point in their life. I would rather keep them at home and I think some of them will go on to bigger and better things and not have to have their lives put in danger.
To keep kids safe... dont let them drive, drunk drivers. Dont let them play sports period, how many have died over the years. Dont let them breath air, to much polution. Dont let them ever have a girlfriend/boyfriend, STD's. Dont let them watch TV, gamma radiation. Dont let them on the puter, cyber stalkers. Shoot, just wrap them up in bubble wrap and inject pure oxygen into them. That will keep them safe.

One quick reply about something. There are a few milestones in a persons life. Your first bike. Your first day of school. Your first kiss. Getting your drivers license. Senior prom. Graduation. getting engaged. Getting married. First born child. Who is to say as a hold back you will even be alive for graduation? Those parents that can look into the future to say there kids needs more maturity in 4 years when they graduate. How do they even know if there kids will be alive then. As a parent, I hope and pray everyday that mine will be. But also, as a realist, I know that might not always be the case. Look here in our local area as to how many children are not here anymore that didnt graduate. Why take the chance on missing a milestone in your childrens life when it isnt necessary.

[sumthin05]

To keep kids safe... dont let them drive, drunk drivers. Dont let them play sports period, how many have died over the years. Dont let them breath air, to much polution. Dont let them ever have a girlfriend/boyfriend, STD's. Dont let them watch TV, gamma radiation. Dont let them on the puter, cyber stalkers. Shoot, just wrap them up in bubble wrap and inject pure oxygen into them. That will keep them safe.

One quick reply about something. There are a few milestones in a persons life. Your first bike. Your first day of school. Your first kiss. Getting your drivers license. Senior prom. Graduation. getting engaged. Getting married. First born child. Who is to say as a hold back you will even be alive for graduation? Those parents that can look into the future to say there kids needs more maturity in 4 years when they graduate. How do they even know if there kids will be alive then. As a parent, I hope and pray everyday that mine will be. But also, as a realist, I know that might not always be the case. Look here in our local area as to how many children are not here anymore that didnt graduate. Why take the chance on missing a milestone in your childrens life when it isnt necessary. Talk about paranoia, who says they won't make it that far? Even if they don't, it a risk they took, and most are proud they did it. Some weren't meant to make it that far. How is that missing a milestone? Paranoid Much?

[DTA]

This thread is like my underwear........old,worn out and beginning to stink!!!

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Talk about paranoia, who says they won't make it that far? Even if they don't, it a risk they took, and most are proud they did it. Some weren't meant to make it that far. How is that missing a milestone? Paranoid Much?
Who says they will. I was just trying to make a point that some parents are making a child repeat a year that isnt really needed to be repeated. In doing that, they are taking a year away from them.

[basketballjones]

Who said the parents are making these kids stay back? What if your boy doesn't get a scholarship, maybe an extra year of hard work in the gym would have gotten him one. You made a choice of not holding your boy back and that choice was yours, others have chosen to hold their kids back and that was there choice and again that was there right I don't see why you are making a big deal about it, unless a hold back is playing in front of your son.

[WOW]

I heard today that one of the Floyd County schools has their starting five and their 6th man staying back for next year. Of course my friend can't remember which team. Any idea which school it might be? I was told that a parent of a couple of players was the source.

[ACE]

I heard today that one of the Floyd County schools has their starting five and their 6th man staying back for next year. Of course my friend can't remember which team. Any idea which school it might be? I was told that a parent of a couple of players was the source.

Wouldnt they have to set out a year in this case? I find this hard to believe either way.

[ACE]

This thread is like my underwear........old,worn out and beginning to stink!!!

LMAO poor old guy

[HawkNation]

i totally disagree... im mean pikevilles daniel harmon is a straight a student...yet he will b 20 when he is a senior... thats completly unfair to other players

[TERMINATOR X]

its bad

[TERMINATOR X]

its not good

[TERMINATOR X]

its really horribly ungood

[TERMINATOR X]

its badly terribley6 awful

[TERMINATOR X]

im serious blah blah blah

[free throw]

You can't turn 19 before August 1st and be elgibile to play your senior year. I am sure some one has made sure that Daniel knows the rules. As long as his 19 birthday is Aug 1st or later he is ok. Most hold backs are A students. They are kids that excel in everything.

[free throw]

I think all of Virgies kids that were held back are A students and always have been. I don't see why it is unfair, when anybody can do it.

[catsfan072]

I heard today that one of the Floyd County schools has their starting five and their 6th man staying back for next year. Of course my friend can't remember which team. Any idea which school it might be? I was told that a parent of a couple of players was the source.

Is that an elementary school or high school?

[HawkNation]

well i think it is unfair totally free throw... i mean its like them bein a college player if u think about it... i mean that is why virgie is so good at sports... hold backs... i mean i can understand sum1 that has been held back once/... but twice is just to much

[WOW]

Is that an elementary school or high school?

It was elementary or middle school - 7th and 8th grade team.

[free throw]

I think the last year you can be held back is the 7th. I think it should be left to the parents and the child. A lot of parents don't want their kids to graduate so young. 17 is to young for some kids to go out on their own. And some people like to have their kids at home with them. If they are good at academics and are good athtetes so much the better. As long as you are eligible to play 4 years in high school what is wrong with it. Any body can do it. If you think it is not fair then hold your kid back. If you don't want to then don't but its their business and not yours. :yesno:

[free throw]

I don't think any of Virgies were held back twice. Any way I am so tired of this thread, I am leaving it. Do what you want with your kids and let other people do the same. It is legal.:insane:

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I just dont understand the graduating at 17 part at all. My wife graduated at the ripe old age of 17 years and 3 months old. I graduated at 17. I will bet the farm that while earning a living, she makes more than any hold back to graduate at the age of 19 will. \

No one has answered the question yet. When kids get held back, do they go to a better college than if they didnt? How many D-1 players have we had? Most of the athletes here goes to colleges that they could have went to reguardless of the hold back situation.

The fact is, mommy and daddy want Jr. to be held back because of there coaches telling them how much better they would be. Also so they can go to the games to brag and show off there kids. It is sort of like a way for the parents to live off there kids popularity. Why not be as proud of them if they were in the grade they are supposed to be and just try to get them to over achieve because they actually had to work harder to get it?
:yesno:

[basketballjones]

Why worry about other peoples lives? Live your own life and give it a rest. If a person decides to hold their child back so be it, it is none of your business. Sounds like you got a wife that makes good money a boy that works real hard so be happy and quit worrying so much about others.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Ah, I never lose sleep over it. Actually, I like it when my young freshman plays against the holdbacks. It is fun watching them not even look at the goal when they touch the ball because they KNOW they cant score. Also, watching the way they do everything they can to keep him from scoring when he gets the ball.... but they cant. Who knows, maybe they hold kids back because they know they wont get their name out against people their own grade and think a extra year would help them. You know, get it out in 5 years instead of 4 years and more will hear about them.