SV Basketball Coach out???

[SVHSFootball]

I have heard numerous rumors that Jason Booher will be moving up to principal at the Valley and Greg Newsome will be coming over from Virgie to take over as the coach of the Wildcats starting next year or even as early as toward the end of this year...any truth to this???:theman:

[web-foot woe]

Do not know but will this hurt how they play the rest of the year? Sometimes it is hard to play when you know your coach is leaving.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Do not know but will this hurt how they play the rest of the year? Sometimes it is hard to play when you know your coach is leaving.
I predicted this long ago. I said that is why he was holding back to try to get the high school job by having his freshmen play against the 8th graders.... I still think valley messed up by letting Rodney go. That will be something they wish they didnt do already. I think Valley is falling to the pressure that the 8th graders parents have been saying this year that if Booher was still there, Ashley and Tyler was going to go somewhere else to school. There isnt any reason at all why a principal cant be a basketball coach. Henry Webb was the principal at SF and there head basketball coach at SF. Maybe people think that players are bigger than the program at SV... hmmmmmmmmmmm

[Fuzzy5118]

I predicted this long ago. I said that is why he was holding back to try to get the high school job by having his freshmen play against the 8th graders.... I still think valley messed up by letting Rodney go. That will be something they wish they didnt do already. I think Valley is falling to the pressure that the 8th graders parents have been saying this year that if Booher was still there, Ashley and Tyler was going to go somewhere else to school. There isnt any reason at all why a principal cant be a basketball coach. Henry Webb was the principal at SF and there head basketball coach at SF. Maybe people think that players are bigger than the program at SV... hmmmmmmmmmmm

That seems to be going around in the 15th.... but you forgot to include parents, players, and their egos are bigger than the program!

[basketballjones]

I don't think In Pike County you can be both like Henry was, but I am not positive.

[Tut-Tut]

Do not know but will this hurt how they play the rest of the year? Sometimes it is hard to play when you know your coach is leaving.
I predicted this long ago. Â*I said that is why he was holding back to try to get the high school job by having his freshmen play against the 8th graders.... I still think valley messed up by letting Rodney go. Â*That will be something they wish they didnt do already. Â*I think Valley is falling to the pressure that the 8th graders parents have been saying this year that if Booher was still there, Ashley and Tyler was going to go somewhere else to school. Â*There isnt any reason at all why a principal cant be a basketball coach. Â*Henry Webb was the principal at SF and there head basketball coach at SF. Â*Maybe people think that players are bigger than the program at SV... hmmmmmmmmmmm
[/quotePersonally , I disagree with you on all points.
]It's a proven fact that the Hatfield kid will go to another school .
This is just one man's opinion , but , if that's the way they wanna roll , Ashley & Tyler...................ROLL ON.

[Tut-Tut]

Afterall... it's not like Shelby Valley has a shortage of ball-handling guards.

[Tut-Tut]

Oh Yeah ,
I reckon that Rodney (wasn't let go) , he just stepped down to spend more time with his family,,,,,,,,,,,,,,right???

[Tut-Tut]

Do not know but will this hurt how they play the rest of the year? Sometimes it is hard to play when you know your coach is leaving.
I predicted this long ago. Â*I said that is why he was holding back to try to get the high school job by having his freshmen play against the 8th graders.... I still think valley messed up by letting Rodney go. Â*That will be something they wish they didnt do already. Â*I think Valley is falling to the pressure that the 8th graders parents have been saying this year that if Booher was still there, Ashley and Tyler was going to go somewhere else to school. Â*There isnt any reason at all why a principal cant be a basketball coach. Â*Henry Webb was the principal at SF and there head basketball coach at SF. Â*Maybe people think that players are bigger than the program at SV... hmmmmmmmmmmm

Yeah ,
And maybe some people think that the COACHES are bigger than the PROGRAMS at Shelby Valley......?


Program = Coaches + Players + Parents + Fans + Administration

And believe me ,  that is one hard equation...............

Because someone will add an unknown variable from  .......Oh , let's say ...Phelps  ,or Prestonsburg,

[Tut-Tut]

I'm just wandering , (I'm bad for that) , what is Taylor gonna do????

[The Fan]

I don't think In Pike County you can be both like Henry was, but I am not positive.
i believe that is state wide now thats the reason Henry stepped down

[Tut-Tut]

MOVE TO PHELPHS ???? :flame:

[SVHSFootball]

Tut...did you have to post like 5 times to clear up one thing...you could have just edited a post and put what all you wanted in it..no need for post padding..

[bball ham]

C'mon, give Booher a break!!!  From what I have seen he has done a very good job.  Could it be that he is a Shelby Valley coach and not a Virgie coach?  Well deserving players from Dorton getting to play and getting the job done.  Would Greg Newsome give the Dorton boys a fair chance? Personally, I think he would but  I have heard that there are some hard feelings lingering from the County Tourney for a few years.  It's a shame Booher has to be caught between and Virgie and Dorton competition.  I think the kids from both schools would be fine if the parents could "GET OVER IT".

[Don Coleoni]

If booher does leave --- why not give Doe-Doe Rowe a chance ???

[basketballjones]

Or bring Rodney back.

[Don Coleoni]

Rodney would be great, but I thought he was no longer interested in coaching and that Doe-Doe would be a good choice.  Either one would be good for SV.  They are both well liked and respected around the 15th Region.

[roadrunner]

Or bring Rodney back.


Rodney Rowe is the best coach in the mountains. I bet the powers regret forcing him out. I would not coach at valley for $1,000,000 a year. Pike county is bad, but Valley is the worst.

[NoWeakness]

Rodney is the best coach in the 15th and maybe Eastern Kentucky, well him and Spurlock. Give Rowe, Vanhoose and Tackett and see if he doesn't win state. Booher is terrible, he should've lost last year but Paintsville didn't make their free throws. And the only reason he went to the finals is because the Region is so weak this year. This guy is clueless on the court he gets most of his information from his assisstant (Moberly). Has no set offense what so ever. This is a case of the Pike County Board trying to get more money so they let Booher be the coach at SV. Greg Newsome would be even a worse mistake this guy gets players from all over and is always stacked I mean I could win state with them guys too. Valley has went down hill since Booher has been there, the school is flipped upside down and his own players will tell you this. SV adminstrators make me sick.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Lets make sure we get this straight.  Booher has been at SV for two years.  His first year, he won the region.  His second year, after 7 or 8 of his best players quit or refused to play for him, he is runner up in the region only losing by 3 points.  Playing mostly underclassmen and middle school players.  How many schools would complain about being a runner up and a regional tourney winner in two years with a new coach?  Give the man some credit.  He took a team that most quit from and almost went to the state tourney this year.  How many other teams in this region can have 7 or 8 key players quit and still be a contender?

[NoWeakness]

His own players will tell u this bballfan, because how many other schools have basketball talent like SV?????  0
There always going to be there not matter who the coach is.

[alfus21]

Booher should definatly stay...Taking that team to the championship game was really something...A coaching change would only start things over again and theres no need for that...

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Isnt that the good part about living in America?  If you dont like something, you dont have to do it.  If his best upperclassmen dont want to play, so be it, he will take in-experienced underclassmen and almost win a regional title.  I just wonder if he would have won it if people would still be cutting on him over it?

[Geraldo Rivera]

Why do people act like Rodny Rowe was the best coach ever in the mountains? He only won 2 regional titles, and he quit on his team like 5 times in the middle of the seasons. He lost with a team in 2001 that was like 28-2 going into regional tourny at SV and lost in the 1st round. He lost in 2004 with the best talent.  He had losing records at SV a couple of years I believe. He's not that great people.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I wont say anything bad about Rodney at all.  He is a class act on the court and off the court.  But the fact is, the Rodney era is over.  People need to accept that.  Now it is the Booher era.  Yes he had players to quit.  The fact is, they most likely would have quit reguardless who the new coach was.  Players parents were the reason he was released and now that they dont like Booher, parents are trying to get him removed.  What happens if they do get a new coach next year, which I personally dont think they should.  Booher took SV farther than anyone thought they would go this year.  But if they did, what kind of job security would the new coach feel like he has?  If he didnt play the right people, he would be gone also. 

[Geraldo Rivera]

Players quit the team on Rowe just like as much as they did for Booher.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

His own players will tell u this bballfan, because how many other schools have basketball talent like SV?????  0
There always going to be there not matter who the coach is.


Why not keep him then?  1 regional title, 1 regional runner up deserves to stay..........

[NoWeakness]

Players quit the team on Rowe just like as much as they did for Booher.


Not near as many players quit Rowe's team maybe one or two. Because with Rowe coaching they actually have a chance at beating Lexington comepetition and with anyone else coaching at Valley they will be lucky to win Region like they was last year.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Do you actually think that Rodney would take the job back after the way he was treated?

[NoWeakness]

Let's see Rowe 3 Regional titles and a few district titles. Booher 1 Regional title because a free throw was missed and the second worst defeat at state by a 15th Region team which was 21 points. Let's see whos better Oldham County & Ballard or Henry Clays team last year. Umm I think I would go with OC and Ballard.

[-STAT-]

Well why did most of the players quit? Was it b/c it wasnt fun for them anymore? If that is the reason then it would be Booher's fault b/c its mostly the coaches job to try to make the game fun for his players.

[NoWeakness]

Rowe won 3 not 2 Geraldo.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

This isnt last year... this is this year.  But do you think Rodney would take the job back?

[NoWeakness]

Well why did most of the players quit? Was it b/c it wasnt fun for them anymore? If that is the reason then it would be Booher's fault b/c its mostly the coaches job to try to make the game fun for his players.



Exactly.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Maybe it wasnt fun anymore because Valley plays all year long with no breaks maybe?  But you still havnt answered the question if you THINK Rodney would take the job back?

[bball fan]

Rodney is the best coach in the 15th and maybe Eastern Kentucky, well him and Spurlock. Give Rowe, Vanhoose and Tackett and see if he doesn't win state. Booher is terrible, he should've lost last year but Paintsville didn't make their free throws. And the only reason he went to the finals is because the Region is so weak this year. This guy is clueless on the court he gets most of his information from his assisstant (Moberly). Has no set offense what so ever. This is a case of the Pike County Board trying to get more money so they let Booher be the coach at SV. Greg Newsome would be even a worse mistake this guy gets players from all over and is always stacked I mean I could win state with them guys too. Valley has went down hill since Booher has been there, the school is flipped upside down and his own players will tell you this. SV adminstrators make me sick.


Let's see... you say SV has went down since Booher has been there...hmmmm??

2005- 15th Region Champs
2006- 15th Region Runners-up

I bet all schools wish they could "go down" like this.  Hey No Weakness, I have found your weakness....you have no brain!!!!!

[True Blue]

I think the only people that can honestly say if Booher is a good coach or not, are the people that have played for him. Not parents, not onlookers, not anyone but who has played for him. They're the ones who know how good he is. I'm not going to say what I personally think about him, because I honestly don't know. I go to SV buts its not like I attend every practice SV has and I'm sitting on the bench when he gives his intructions during games. I do know what some of the players think about him, and I haven't heard a whole lot of positive comments, but I have heard quite a few negatives. This is not my opinion, I can honestly say I have no idea whether he is a good coach or not. But if you honestly love basketball and you want to play, you're going to play whether you like the coach or not. And if you have a lot of talent, then you're going to do pretty good whether the coach has helped you with this at all.

As for Rodney Rowe, he is a wonderful man. I've known him most of my life, I attend church with him and he is a pretty good friend of the family. The only people I heard complaining about Rodney when he was coaching were the parents. I never heard the players complain about him like they do Booher. It was always parents who were mad that their son didn't get to play as often as they liked. But I have also heard some of the very same parents who complained about him, complain about Booher just as bad, if no worse. And I've also heard them say they wish Rodney would come back. But if he was offered the job and declined, I wouldn't blame him one bit. Would you?

[Captain_44]

I heard this last night from someone's who's family works at Valley and they said that it was true so we will just have to wait and see.

[Geraldo Rivera]

The only people I heard complaining about Rodney when he was coaching were the parents. I never heard the players complain about him like they do Booher.


I liked your post for the most part, but I heard a ton of players complain about Rowe just as much as Booher, and most people who played for Rowe still talk bad about him til this day

[Don Coleoni]

I"ve never heard any of it

[NEXT]

Not every player or parent or community member likes every coach, but let them coach a season with high school aged kids who don't always play hard, who are sometimes unmotivated, who sometimes have other people telling them opposite of what your telling them and see what happens.
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[basketballjones]

Maybe it wasnt fun anymore because Valley plays all year long with no breaks maybe?Â* But you still havnt answered the question if you THINK Rodney would take the job back?


Yes he would and anybody could have won a region with the talent Booher had and the talent this year could have won too if they would have realized they had a 6'5 big man that could score anytime if he ever saw the ball during the regional.

[FOX SPORTS]

Maybe it wasnt fun anymore because Valley plays all year long with no breaks maybe?  But you still havnt answered the question if you THINK Rodney would take the job back?


Yes he would and anybody could have won a region with the talent Booher had and the talent this year could have won too if they would have realized they had a 6'5 big man that could score anytime if he ever saw the ball during the regional.

Yeah, but the coach can't force the guards to pass it to the big man.  And teams packed in the 2-3 zone trying to prevent SV from getting into the paint.

Some folks on here need to realize it's not always the coaches who get wins and losses...sometimes kids play well and execute, sometimes they don't.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Maybe it wasnt fun anymore because Valley plays all year long with no breaks maybe?  But you still havnt answered the question if you THINK Rodney would take the job back?


Yes he would and anybody could have won a region with the talent Booher had and the talent this year could have won too if they would have realized they had a 6'5 big man that could score anytime if he ever saw the ball during the regional.


If he would come back, why did he leave in the first place.  He had a contract and resigned.  He could not have been forced out when he left, he had legal options he could have turned to.  I just dont see him taking the Valley job back.  I might be wrong, but I dont see it.  The middle school players are wanting Booher out so Greg can have the job.  That is what the parents of a few of them are going to the board office and saying.  So what does Rodney have anything to do with this anyways?

[BigBlueFan]

Jason Booher has done an excellent job with a tremendous program, and now some parents are wanting him out. It is a shame that some people want to try to destroy a program with a past that stretches back for several decades. I think that Booher should be left alone to make his own decisions about his career. He has won one regional title and came within 3 points of another with a team that all but abandon him and the Shelby Valley pride. If Booher decides to return he will have another shot at going to the state again because he is a good coach, irregardless of who comes up from the middle schools or who abandons our community again for personal and selfish reasons.

[mojo40]

Well i played 4 years under Rodney Rowe and i would just like to say that while i was there i thought that he was the best coach ever. The only reason he left is because the parents had more power than he did at the time.  If i was him i wouldnt take it back, but for SV bball i hope that he does. I dont know Booher but i have heard nothing but bad about him from players and parent both.

[pedro]

A. Doo Doo isn't Rodney by any means... give me a break ha ha to that!

B. Greg Newsome would be a better fit...for that program. 

C. The only reason Booher ever got the job is because he married the right girl.

[bball fan]

As long as the parents keep running things at Shelby Valley it will continue to be the laughing stock of the 15th region.  Not because they don't have good athletes or good sports teams, but because the parents at SV are never satisfied and they turn every sports season into a circus!  Your coach won the region last year and was runner-up this year and all you want to do is bash him.  Even one of your junior high programs wanted him to lose, what a joke!! 

But I am a Pikeville fan so I say keep it up Valley parents, we love the one or two stud athletes that we get every year!!!  Heck, Virgie is our best feeder school right now! 

[WaterGirl]

But I am a Pikeville fan so I say keep it up Valley parents, we love the one or two stud athletes that we get every year!!! Heck, Virgie is our best feeder school right now!


:lmao:

Funny, but sadly true

[basketballjones]

Maybe it wasnt fun anymore because Valley plays all year long with no breaks maybe?Â* But you still havnt answered the question if you THINK Rodney would take the job back?


Yes he would and anybody could have won a region with the talent Booher had and the talent this year could have won too if they would have realized they had a 6'5 big man that could score anytime if he ever saw the ball during the regional.

Yeah, but the coach can't force the guards to pass it to the big man.Â* And teams packed in the 2-3 zone trying to prevent SV from getting into the paint.

Some folks on here need to realize it's not always the coaches who get wins and losses...sometimes kids play well and execute, sometimes they don't.



So if they don't do what they are told then they should be on the bench, from what I read in the paper everytime Valley lost Booher blamed the players, so the players is what got them to the finals not the coaching..

[fusion]

Maybe it wasnt fun anymore because Valley plays all year long with no breaks maybe?  But you still havnt answered the question if you THINK Rodney would take the job back?


Yes he would and anybody could have won a region with the talent Booher had and the talent this year could have won too if they would have realized they had a 6'5 big man that could score anytime if he ever saw the ball during the regional.


If he would come back, why did he leave in the first place.  He had a contract and resigned.  He could not have been forced out when he left, he had legal options he could have turned to.  I just dont see him taking the Valley job back.  I might be wrong, but I dont see it.  The middle school players are wanting Booher out so Greg can have the job.  That is what the parents of a few of them are going to the board office and saying.  So what does Rodney have anything to do with this anyways?


I dont think he would come back if the job was offered to him again. Parents did force him out. He loved coaching, and only resigned because he felt no one wanted him there. Yes, he had the legal options, but why stay if no one wants you to coach there. Now the same people are complaining about Booher and wishing Rodney was back.

I agree Booher had some games where I was completely unaware of what he trying to do, namely the District championship against Pikeville, and quite a few players quit, but another coaching change so quickly would just keep the cycle going. Valley may or may not need someone new, but if a change happens then it would just give the parents more power.



 

[NoWeakness]

A. Doo Doo isn't Rodney by any means... give me a break ha ha to that!

B. Greg Newsome would be a better fit...for that program.Â*

C. The only reason Booher ever got the job is because he married the right girl.



That's hillarious but so true.

[basketballjones]

Nobody forced him out he wanted to quit after the first regional title but stayed on for whatever reason, I have a strong feeling he would come back if asked.

[hootie]

One, Rodney was pressured out!Â*

Two, he is a great coach and person that would be a great asset to any high school program!Â*

Three, give Booher a break.Â* He took a team that wasn't suppose to do anything and this team got better.Â* You will never find a coach that everyone agrees with.Â* Yes they had some players quit, but it doens't matter what the coach does if you love the game then you are going to play for him.

[FOX SPORTS]

One, Rodney was pressured out! 

Two, he is a great coach and person that would be a great asset to any high school program! 

Three, give Booher a break.  He took a team that wasn't suppose to do anything and this team got better.  You will never find a coach that everyone agrees with.  Yes they had some players quit, but it doens't matter what the coach does if you love the game then you are going to play for him.

Good post!

Just wondering...Can anyone name a coach that never had a player quit the team???

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I just wonder if all the players that quit because they didnt think he would do a good coaching job wish they would have stayed on the team.  Not many teams around here can lose 6 or 7 of their best players and make it as far as Shelby Valley did.  None of the tourney games this year were blowouts.  But if a team lost there best players, then I think that about every one would have been. 

[BigBlueFan]

Good post Hootie!!! I have known Rodney for many years and he is one heck of a coach, maybe the best x and o man in the coaching business.  Booher took a talented bunch of individuals, had several quit and still made it into the finals of the regional and came within 3 points of going to Rupp! Both are good coaches and both are good men. If the community would have supported our sports programs like they did 20+ years ago, Shelby Valley would be going to Rupp this year with either of these coaches. I don't think it is any coaches fault for any loss that Shelby Valley has had in the last few years, I see it as an abandonment of the community and parents of Shelby Valley High School as a whole!

[SV Wildcats]

Until the administration at SV gets some balls and keep the parents out of the schools business there will never be a coach good enough for them. Parents are to quick to get mad because their child doesn't get enough playing time or they are not the star of the game and start griping. They do this in front of the kids and then the kids  begin to think they are the best and no one can tell them what to do. This kind of attitude is what caused Rodney to leave and it will also cause others to.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Until the administration at SV gets some balls and keep the parents out of the schools business there will never be a coach good enough for them. Parents are to quick to get mad because their child doesn't get enough playing time or they are not the star of the game and start griping. They do this in front of the kids and then the kids  begin to think they are the best and no one can tell them what to do. This kind of attitude is what caused Rodney to leave and it will also cause others to.


I agree 100%.  I dont see a way that all parents will like the same coach because all kids wont get to start.  Why not let the coaches decide who plays and who dont and then judge the coach on his record.  1 regional title, 1 regional runner up sounds pretty good for a team with a new coach and system that has been in place for 2 years.  I think he has proved himself.  To bad the parents of the players dont see that too.

[basketballjones]

Talent is what won at Valley not coaching, Booher never had a winning record as a head until he got there.

[cheerfan]

Virgie is our best feeder school right now!Â*

I don't have an opinion on this topic, but this is the funniest post I've read in a long time!!
:lol:

[top-of-the-key]

C'mon, give Booher a break!!!Â* From what I have seen he has done a very good job.Â* Could it be that he is a Shelby Valley coach and not a Virgie coach?Â* Well deserving players from Dorton getting to play and getting the job done.Â* Would Greg Newsome give the Dorton boys a fair chance? Personally, I think he would butÂ* I have heard that there are some hard feelings lingering from the County Tourney for a few years.Â* It's a shame Booher has to be caught between and Virgie and Dorton competition.Â* I think the kids from both schools would be fine if the parents could "GET OVER IT".


from what i hear there are a select few of the SV ball players that would never play under Greg Newsome-

[True Blue]

What I want to know, is when did the kids whose parents whine all the time, and the kids who do just as much whining, pouting, and so forth get to become the players who got all the playing time? Whatever happened to the times when the kids who got to play were the kids who worked the hardest and played the hardest all year long. Just thinking about the good ol' days I suppose...

Go Valley!

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I still think the Virgie parents are mad because Booher pulled up a 8th grader from Dorton instead of Virgie. 

[True Blue]

I still think the Virgie parents are mad because Booher pulled up a 8th grader from Dorton instead of Virgie.Â*


I went to Virgie, and it wasn't bad when I was an 8th grader (I'm a Senior now) because the top 5 players were already picked and they weren't going anywhere. (Kelsey, Seth, Paul Terry, etc.)Â* But I can deifnately see some of the parents that are over there now getting upset and pouting about this. Yet, I don't think it would be the parents whose kids could actually get a chance to play (like Hatfield or Newsome). Its probably more apt to be the parents who end up sending their kids to Pikeville so they'll get a chance to play. Or the parents who hold their kids back 3 or 4 extra years just so they might start when they FINALLY make it to high school.

[King James]

Alot of you posters are giving Booher credit for having a regional title and a regional runner up.  Anybody should have been able to win the region last year with the talent that SV had, and Booher barely did that.  And as for this season, I don't think that SV was an overachiever in the regional tournament... I think they were an underachiever during the regular season.  Shelby Valley had more talent than most teams in the 15th, but didn't play like it all season long.  Booher definitely seems to be the type of coach that gets the least out of his players.  SV fans know that with the talent that is coming up that SV has the opportunity to have as good a team, if not better, than the SV teams of the past 4 years.  They just don't have confidence that Jason Booher will know what to do with it.

[True Blue]

Alot of you posters are giving Booher credit for having a regional title and a regional runner up.Â* Anybody should have been able to win the region last year with the talent that SV had, and Booher barely did that.Â* And as for this season, I don't think that SV was an overachiever in the regional tournament... I think they were an underachiever during the regular season.Â* Shelby Valley had more talent than most teams in the 15th, but didn't play like it all season long.Â* Booher definitely seems to be the type of coach that gets the least out of his players.Â* SV fans know that with the talent that is coming up that SV has the opportunity to have as good a team, if not better, than the SV teams of the past 4 years.Â* They just don't have confidence that Jason Booher will know what to do with it.


Haha... I agree 100000%!

[Youngerthandirt]

Just a thought about the 8th grader from Dorton being pulled up from someone who has no interst in Shelby Valley basketball.....If any of the other 8th graders from either of the two feeder schools were held back during their 7th or 8th grade seasons, they can't play varsity sports until they are freshmen. That's a KHSAA rule, if they were held back in say the 4th grade, they can play, but a kid held back in the 7th grade for two season and plays middle school sports both years, can't play varsity until he's a freshman.

Maybe that's why some of the other kids didn't get pulled up.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Alot of you posters are giving Booher credit for having a regional title and a regional runner up.  Anybody should have been able to win the region last year with the talent that SV had, and Booher barely did that.  And as for this season, I don't think that SV was an overachiever in the regional tournament... I think they were an underachiever during the regular season.  Shelby Valley had more talent than most teams in the 15th, but didn't play like it all season long.  Booher definitely seems to be the type of coach that gets the least out of his players.  SV fans know that with the talent that is coming up that SV has the opportunity to have as good a team, if not better, than the SV teams of the past 4 years.  They just don't have confidence that Jason Booher will know what to do with it.


I will give you credit for half of that.  Yes, his first year, he should have won the region hands down.  This year, after all his big guns quit or just refused to play for him.  Was he actually a regional contender?  Did people think he would go as far as he did AFTER his team quit?

[King James]

Who exactly are the "big guns" that you are referring too?

[The Guru]

Just a thought about the 8th grader from Dorton being pulled up from someone who has no interst in Shelby Valley basketball.....If any of the other 8th graders from either of the two feeder schools were held back during their 7th or 8th grade seasons, they can't play varsity sports until they are freshmen. That's a KHSAA rule, if they were held back in say the 4th grade, they can play, but a kid held back in the 7th grade for two season and plays middle school sports both years, can't play varsity until he's a freshman.

Maybe that's why some of the other kids didn't get pulled up.

Actually, I believe that the rule reads that any student repeating any grade before entering the ninth gradeis not eligible to play varsity sports, during the second year of repeating a grade. In other words, if a kid is held back in the 8th grade, then their second year as an eighth grader, they can't play ANY High School sport. this includes freshmen teams, jr. varsity, or varsity. but let's say a kid repeats the 7th grade. Then when he is an 8th grader, he may play in any High School sport.
This is how it was explained to me, in a very indepth conversation with them, as I had contemplated on holding my own son back last year.

[The Guru]

And by the way....I think it is rediculous for Booher to be on the hotseat already!!!
Why not actually let him prove he cannot coach at SVHS first?

[pedro]

Booher is probably a better coach than Rowe ...especially Doo Doe...lol..

However, if players won't play for him then he must be doing something wrong.  Not a Booher fan or a Rowe fan... Shelby Valley needs to give Greg newsonme a chance.  Look what he has done with the middle school program.  State CHamps last year and he knows these kids coming up.  He could not just go to state with this bunch but win it.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Booher is probably a better coach than Rowe ...especially Doo Doe...lol..

However, if players won't play for him then he must be doing something wrong.  Not a Booher fan or a Rowe fan... Shelby Valley needs to give Greg newsonme a chance.  Look what he has done with the middle school program.  State CHamps last year and he knows these kids coming up.  He could not just go to state with this bunch but win it.


Why doent Greg do what every other high school coach has done.  Why dont he be a high school assistant coach for a few years before he becomes a head coach.  Yes, he won the middle school tourney two years ago, but he did it with all hold backs.  He wont be able to hold back his best players in the high school level.  He should become the assistant coach like every other ones do then work his way up to the head coaching job.

[eldorado]

Anyone can be a good X's and O's coach if you study the game enough. The fact is that Jason Booher is still in a rebuilding stage at SV as far as integrating his coaching style and philosophy into what SV had done previously. He didn't have a good W-L record before coming to SV mainly because he was at Belfry which at the time didn't have the players they do now, since they have the new school. I like what Booher does. He plays more that 6 players every game and has probably got the ball down low more times this season than SV has seen in a long time. He takes the money given to the basetball program and uses it wisely. From my standpoint, there is no "I" in Jason Booher. It's not all about him and his record, its about the players and trying to help them be successful.

[mojo40]

I think that Valley needs a new face or A ROWE back if its not goin to be a ROWE then if tour going to get some one make it someone no one knows about!!!!IMO

[eldorado]

I think Booher or the next coach (if there is one) needs to make a statement to the community and let them know that the only people that need to be involved with SV's program are the coaches, players, and the administration. Parents, "big wigs," and others who contribute financially should not be directly involved with the coaches decisions based on the game. For too many years now SV has had many struggles with politics in that area placing a negative on the program and negative attitudes in the players.

[basketballjones]

Belfry had a better team when Booher was there than Casey had last year and Casey took his to the regional championship and Booher had a loosing season. Riddle touched the ball 7 times against Johnson Central, he should have scored at will on them but they didn't get him the ball, touched the ball twice in the second half against Belfry but they still won luckily. Valley got to the championship on hot shooting not coaching. If wasn't for Boohers big wig he wouldn't have gotten the job to start with.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I think Booher or the next coach (if there is one) needs to make a statement to the community and let them know that the only people that need to be involved with SV's program are the coaches, players, and the administration. Parents, "big wigs," and others who contribute financially should not be directly involved with the coaches decisions based on the game. For too many years now SV has had many struggles with politics in that area placing a negative on the program and negative attitudes in the players.


The only problem with that statement is, the 8th graders parents and "big wigs" are the ones trying to hand pick the next coach.  If they get their wish and do, do you not think that they will have their fingers in the pie like they have tried to this year?  And if the parents gets their way and they do hand pick the next coach, dont you think he will do what the parents want so he will be able to keep his job?

[RANDALL FLAG]

Be Careful With Your Posts, This Thread Is Being Watched CloselyÂ* :thumpsup:

[SV Wildcats]

OMG Everyone keeps saying Virgie has holdbacks is the reason that they were so good the last 2 yrs. The Newsome boys are not holdbacks. Just good ball players. Also Cody Varney is not a holdback another good ballplayer. Not everyone thinks they have to hold their child back in school so he/she will be the next big STAR. Some parents have faith in their childrens abilitiy to play ball. Give the kids credit where credit is due.

[True Blue]

OMG Everyone keeps saying Virgie has holdbacks is the reason that they were so good the last 2 yrs. The Newsome boys are not holdbacks. Just good ball players. Also Cody Varney is not a holdback another good ballplayer. Not everyone thinks they have to hold their child back in school so he/she will be the next big STAR. Some parents have faith in their childrens abilitiy to play ball. Give the kids credit where credit is due.


Cody Varney goes to Dorton... he doesn't play for Virgie

[Diamond Lady]

If Booher decides to return he will have another shot at going to the state again because he is a good coach, irregardless of who comes up from the middle schools or who abandons our community again for personal and selfish reasons.

Terrific Post...abandoning the community for "personal and selfish reasons" seems to be the theme here! 

[top-of-the-key]

I still think the Virgie parents are mad because Booher pulled up a 8th grader from Dorton instead of Virgie.Â*


well u are incorrect- nicely stated. The Virgie boys chose to stay with their team and not come to Valley to play.

[SVHSFootball]

I still think the Virgie parents are mad because Booher pulled up a 8th grader from Dorton instead of Virgie. 


well u are incorrect- nicely stated. The Virgie boys chose to stay with their team and not come to Valley to play.


In all honesty..I don't think the Virgie boys would have gotten to play..Elijah has to be one of, if not the best, ball handler in the 15th region, that is why he was playing for our varsity team, not just because this boy and that boy decided not to play, its because he could control and be the floor general under tons of pressure. I jsut wanna say that some of the coaching by Booher in region made me question his thoughts, we have a few people on the team who shoot really well from behind the arch, one for instance goes 2/3 in the first quarter, but he didn't play at all in the 2nd quarter.

[NoWeakness]

Anyone can be a good X's and O's coach if you study the game enough. The fact is that Jason Booher is still in a rebuilding stage at SV as far as integrating his coaching style and philosophy into what SV had done previously. He didn't have a good W-L record before coming to SV mainly because he was at Belfry which at the time didn't have the players they do now, since they have the new school. I like what Booher does. He plays more that 6 players every game and has probably got the ball down low more times this season than SV has seen in a long time. He takes the money given to the basetball program and uses it wisely. From my standpoint, there is no "I" in Jason Booher. It's not all about him and his record, its about the players and trying to help them be successful.


I've seen some stupid posts but this tops all. Obviously you have no basketball IQ. Any coach could have a winning season at Valley and a half way decent can get lucky and win a Regional title but barely. And that's just because the 15th Region is terrible right now. HAHA and as far as Belfry goes, Booher had Maynard,Case,Jones,Doug Howard and could have had his best player Paul Howard but Booher kicked him off the team . So your saying he didn't have any talent at Belfry I beg to differ. How is Booher still in the rebuilding stage at Valley theres nothing to rebuild besides adminstrators. His own players will tell you his ruined more at the school than anyone coud have imagined. People at Belfry was jumping for joy when he left.

[NoWeakness]

OMG Everyone keeps saying Virgie has holdbacks is the reason that they were so good the last 2 yrs. The Newsome boys are not holdbacks. Just good ball players. Also Cody Varney is not a holdback another good ballplayer. Not everyone thinks they have to hold their child back in school so he/she will be the next big STAR. Some parents have faith in their childrens abilitiy to play ball. Give the kids credit where credit is due.


Sheww please dont post anymore, all the boys you mention are HOLDBACKS and Varney doesn't play for Virgie. Sounds like you definatley know what your talking about. And if you want to talk about Virgie lets talk about who started the streak of 4 or 5 County titles in a row it was the Senior boys at Valley and guess what? NONE of them players were HOLDBACKS, a few played this year at Valley but most didnt. Seth Kiser never won a County Tournament but they still spoiled him to death and always tryed to place him high above everyone else in gradeschool and highschool and then they see how Seth treats them in return, Good decision. I'm not dissing Seth because he was great but this is why kids lose interest in basketball, because the parents fill their kid full of ****.

[Football24_7]

irregardless of who comes up from the middle schools or who abandons our community again for personal and selfish reasons.

Terrific Post...abandoning the community for "personal and selfish reasons" seems to be the theme here!Â*


What other reasons are there besides "personal" reasons?Â* Selfish implies you're doing something with your OWN best-interests in mind.Â* What's wrong with that when it comes to your FUTURE?

I guess John Pelfrey choosing to go to UK rather than Eastern Kentucky or Pikeville College was him "abandoning" his Eastern Ky. "community?

...so, if a kid chooses to go to a school other than the one closest to where they live because it has a better academic reputation (% of student body to college, average ACT scores, etc.) and a better chance for overall TEAM success, he's somehow "abandoning" his community?

Same thing happens in Johnson County where many out-in-the-county kids choose to go to Paintsville...not necessarily seen as "traitors" though as it seems in Pike.

[Sports Freak]

I personally think that you give Booher to much credit for the success of Valley bb program. I think that you need to go back and look at your feeder schools and their coaches. Greg Newsome and Randy Davis are two excellent coaches that put their heart and soul into coaching. These two guys have made Valley bb program be a success over the years along with past coaches at each school. As for where athletes attended middle school should never surface when they reach high school. Feeder schools are the key to any successful hgih school program ,just ask Haywood at Belfry. :thumpsup: :thumpsup:

[SV Wildcats]

OMG Everyone keeps saying Virgie has holdbacks is the reason that they were so good the last 2 yrs. The Newsome boys are not holdbacks. Just good ball players. Also Cody Varney is not a holdback another good ballplayer. Not everyone thinks they have to hold their child back in school so he/she will be the next big STAR. Some parents have faith in their childrens abilitiy to play ball. Give the kids credit where credit is due.


Sheww please dont post anymore, all the boys you mention are HOLDBACKS and Varney doesn't play for Virgie. Sounds like you definatley know what your talking about. And if you want to talk about Virgie lets talk about who started the streak of 4 or 5 County titles in a row it was the Senior boys at Valley and guess what? NONE of them players were HOLDBACKS, a few played this year at Valley but most didnt. Seth Kiser never won a County Tournament but they still spoiled him to death and always tryed to place him high above everyone else in gradeschool and highschool and then they see how Seth treats them in return, Good decision. I'm not dissing Seth because he was great but this is why kids lose interest in basketball, because the parents fill their kid full of ****.



I no that Cody plays for Dorton and yes I do no what i'm talking about. I work at the school where these boys started kindergarten and was with them each yr. in their class rooms until they went to the middle school. This will make their 3rd. yr at the middle school so yes I no what i'm talking about and no they have not been held back.

[jchsrulz]

It seems to me that whoever SV has as coach, half the county hates him. I guess SV is the UK of the 15th region. Rodney Rowe was an excellent coach! Should not have forced to retire. Booher seems to be a pretty good coach also. Reg Campionship and runner-up?
You SV fans don't know how great you got it. You have a great group of young kids ready and willing to play for you, if everyone could get onj the same page, You could dominate for years to come. Good luck to your team, and I hope you all join them someday.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

OMG Everyone keeps saying Virgie has holdbacks is the reason that they were so good the last 2 yrs. The Newsome boys are not holdbacks. Just good ball players. Also Cody Varney is not a holdback another good ballplayer. Not everyone thinks they have to hold their child back in school so he/she will be the next big STAR. Some parents have faith in their childrens abilitiy to play ball. Give the kids credit where credit is due.


Sheww please dont post anymore, all the boys you mention are HOLDBACKS and Varney doesn't play for Virgie. Sounds like you definatley know what your talking about. And if you want to talk about Virgie lets talk about who started the streak of 4 or 5 County titles in a row it was the Senior boys at Valley and guess what? NONE of them players were HOLDBACKS, a few played this year at Valley but most didnt. Seth Kiser never won a County Tournament but they still spoiled him to death and always tryed to place him high above everyone else in gradeschool and highschool and then they see how Seth treats them in return, Good decision. I'm not dissing Seth because he was great but this is why kids lose interest in basketball, because the parents fill their kid full of ****.



I no that Cody plays for Dorton and yes I do no what i'm talking about. I work at the school where these boys started kindergarten and was with them each yr. in their class rooms until they went to the middle school. This will make their 3rd. yr at the middle school so yes I no what i'm talking about and no they have not been held back.


Yep, and they been driving to school for two of them

[SV Wildcats]

No Virgie Middle School starts off in the 6th grade .
Has been for awhile
Never once did I say that Seth and others were not hold backs because I knew that they were. I was talking about Taylor, Tyler Newsome and Cody Varney. I have the year books to prove it. Like I said I worked at their grade school until they finished the 5th grade and they have been at the Middle School school for the last 3yrs . They began in the middle school in the 2003/2004 school year You due the math

[BasketBallonlyfan]

No Virgie Middle School starts off in the 6th grade .
Has been for awhile
Never once did I say that Seth and others were not hold backs because I knew that they were. I was talking about Taylor, Tyler Newsome and Cody Varney. I have the year books to prove it. Like I said I worked at their grade school until they finished the 5th grade and they have been at the Middle School school for the last 3yrs . They began in the middle school in the 2003/2004 school year You due the math


I never was really that good at math.  I do know that two of those 8th graders are 11 months and 13 months older than my freshman son... So that math problem doesnt add up to me.

[eldorado]

I've seen some stupid posts but this tops all. Obviously you have no basketball IQ. Any coach could have a winning season at Valley and a half way decent can get lucky and win a Regional title but barely. And that's just because the 15th Region is terrible right now. HAHA and as far as Belfry goes, Booher had Maynard,Case,Jones,Doug Howard and could have had his best player Paul Howard but Booher kicked him off the team . So your saying he didn't have any talent at Belfry I beg to differ. How is Booher still in the rebuilding stage at Valley theres nothing to rebuild besides adminstrators. His own players will tell you his ruined more at the school than anyone coud have imagined. People at Belfry was jumping for joy when he left.


Our opinions combined mean about as much as a hill of beans when it comes down to it because neither of us have enough credibility to assess the situation from any other standpoint than as a fan of the game. I respect your opinion, but are you saying that Rowe/Booher are mediocre coaches and that SV could have thrown me or you in there and that we could have produced the same results or better with that system. Sure SV has had a lot of talent over the years but they have also had a lot of egocentric players that have to be taken care of. Past SV coaches have let kids like that run the program because they care too much about themselves and their record. Booher did the right thing when he cut Howard because Howard was only concerned with himself. He also had the balls to let Kiser go when he felt there was nothing more he could do and for that I respect his decisions for the team and not the player or his W-L record.

[eldorado]

Also, I did not say that Belfry didn't have any talent at the time Booher was coaching. I'm saying that they have the nicest facilties in Pike Co. now and I'm sure that along with playing time this attracted a lot of players from West Virginia.

[SV Wildcats]

No Virgie Middle School starts off in the 6th grade .
Has been for awhile
Never once did I say that Seth and others were not hold backs because I knew that they were. I was talking about Taylor, Tyler Newsome and Cody Varney. I have the year books to prove it. Like I said I worked at their grade school until they finished the 5th grade and they have been at the Middle School school for the last 3yrs . They began in the middle school in the 2003/2004 school year You due the math


I never was really that good at math. I do know that two of those 8th graders are 11 months and 13 months older than my freshman son... So that math problem doesnt add up to me.


That's because the parents didn't send them to school right off. They kept them home for a yr. But they have not been held back in school.

[Geraldo Rivera]

Rowe, Booher who gives a flying turd...It doesnt matter who the coach is because the parents and the community are always going to be idiots about the situation..Look at whats happened at Shelby Valley in the last few years

3 Football Coaches in like 3 years
2 Basketabll coaches in the last 3 years
2 Baseball coaches in the last 2 years
2 Girls Basketball coaches in the last 2 years
Probly soccer and volleyball to for all I know...But the parents are always going to whine about it all...Sv parents are a joke and make the school look bad while doin so.

[NEXT]

Also, I did not say that Belfry didn't have any talent at the time Booher was coaching. I'm saying that they have the nicest facilties in Pike Co. now and I'm sure that along with playing time this attracted a lot of players from West Virginia.



Really? 4 kids out of about 35 from WVa. on the basketball team, 1 of which has went to school in Ky since he was in 6th grade, and one since 8th grade and the other 2 came at the beginning of this year.

And was Kelsey and Bentley originally from Valley?

[FOX SPORTS]

Also, I did not say that Belfry didn't have any talent at the time Booher was coaching. I'm saying that they have the nicest facilties in Pike Co. now and I'm sure that along with playing time this attracted a lot of players from West Virginia.

I'm not sure about Bentley but I do know for a fact Kelsey was indeed from the SV area.

Really? 4 kids out of about 35 from WVa. on the basketball team, 1 of which has went to school in Ky since he was in 6th grade, and one since 8th grade and the other 2 came at the beginning of this year.

And was Kelsey and Bentley originally from Valley?

[King James]

Also, I did not say that Belfry didn't have any talent at the time Booher was coaching. I'm saying that they have the nicest facilties in Pike Co. now and I'm sure that along with playing time this attracted a lot of players from West Virginia.

And was Kelsey and Bentley originally from Valley?


Kelsey Friend was.Â* He went to Virgie through the 7th grade.Â* He went to Pikeville for his 8th grade year only.Â* Then he came back to Shelby Valley for high school.Â* You might want to do some research before you go posting things...

[pedro]

I don't care where you work... I know their fathers and they have been held back one year for sure and maybe two.Â* .Â* Booher should be fired because he lets his players do whatever they want and draws no boundries and shows no professionalism.Â* ROdney Rowe is done.Â* DOO DDOOOO no go...horrible.Â* Now Greg Newsome maybe...give the guy a shot he has talent coming up he already knows so it makes sense.Â* Shelby Valley will be go if they had no coach at all...but they need a leader and a person to guide them to state.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

I dont think he lets them do what they want.  Isnt that why all the players quit this year?  I just dont see why there is a question about him being fired anyways.  One regional title and one regional runner up in two years is a good thing it would seem. 

As far as your names for coaches if he was replaced.  Rodney, I dont think he would go back to coaching at Valley.  Doe Doe... never seen him coach before, but he is a heck of a man.  I am sure he would do good.  But has he coached before?  Greg, why dont he assistant coach at the high school level before he takes over a head coaching job like almost all the other coaches has to do. 

[pedro]

:party:  He doesn't need tobe an assistant... just look at his past and his record stands for himself.  I think all or most parents would be behind him since the players will play for him.  Are you mad because the current assistant would be passed up?  Greg has much experiance on him.  Let him assist Greg.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

:party:  He doesn't need tobe an assistant... just look at his past and his record stands for himself.  I think all or most parents would be behind him since the players will play for him.  Are you mad because the current assistant would be passed up?  Greg has much experiance on him.  Let him assist Greg.
I am still trying to figure out why they want to get rid of Booher... ALOT of schools would love to have had the sucess they had the last two years.

[basketballjones]

Maybe Belfry would take him back since he had such good success there. The talent has made him look good at Valley and thats it. There was alot of breaking rules at Valley but Booher overlooked it for certain players.

[NEXT]

Kelsey Friend was. He went to Virgie through the 7th grade. He went to Pikeville for his 8th grade year only. Then he came back to Shelby Valley for high school. You might want to do some research before you go posting things...


Oh I do my research, I was asst. coach At Turkey Creek those few years, I know where Kelsey lives, and I know where he played ball at.......YOU might not want to throw rocks when living in a glass house.

[The King]

Oh I do my research, I was asst. coach At Turkey Creek those few years, I know where Kelsey lives, and I know where he played ball at...

Then you know that Kelsey lived at Lizzie Fork, which is on the other side of Shelby Valley High School. So for Kelsey to attend Pikeville he would have to pass Shelby Valley to get there. And you think he should actually have been a Pikeville student..

[SV Wildcat]

I don't care where you work... I know their fathers and they have been held back one year for sure and maybe two.Â* .Â*a.

Well if we are talking about the same Taylor, Tyler and Cody then no they haven't been held back in school, before they started but not after and if you knew their fathers so well you would no this.

[Basketballer]

They should of left the Rowe's in there

[Geraldo Rivera]

They should of left the Rowe's in there

Seems like old Booher is doing a fine job taking there place...

[Wonderboy]

Not near as many players quit Rowe's team maybe one or two. Because with Rowe coaching they actually have a chance at beating Lexington comepetition and with anyone else coaching at Valley they will be lucky to win Region like they was last year.

Who better to coach against Lexington teams than Booher? He was an assistant coach for North Laurel HS and helped them get to the Sweet 16 twice against Lexington competition. As for "not near as many players quitting Rowe's team." They didn't have to quit because he made sure he did everything he could do to weed them out, even after they made the team.

[basketballjones]

Rowe's teams that went to state played Louisville Ballard well and played Oldham Co well and Boohers team got blew out by a Henry Clay thay wasn't half as good as the other teams.

[Wonderboy]

Don't forget that Seth Kiser would have made a huge difference that year. Also, it seems like almost every team that beats a team from the 15th region goes on to win the championship.

[mojo40]

I think that booher coached North Hardin not North Laurel. And i believe that was when North Hardin had Quinton Smith Mr Basketball canidate and i believe he went on to be a for year starter at Morehead U. So that North Hardin team was pretty good that year. And they still didnt make it to the finals i think that only one like one game that year.

[Ted Dibiasi]

You are right mojo. North Hardin usually has a pretty talented squad. I would still like to see a team represent well from the 15th like Paintsville did back in the '90s. Those were the good ole days.

[basketballjones]

He wasn't the head coach for North Hardin just one of many assistants.

[Ted Dibiasi]

We know, but thanks.

[Homer Simpson]

I thought he was a good coach

[YeGymnasium]

I think that Booher has done a good job at Shelby Valley. He seems to have them on track. They are young, but they will be a force in the 15Th next year.

[HazzBeen]

I think he has done a great job also. Two years, a regional championship and a runner-up. Come on guys lets get real here, any school would love to have that. I happen to know the guy and I would love to have my son play for him. He doesn't cuss his players, he doesn't drink, or even smoke. Which is the type of role model I want for my kids. It doesn't hurt either that he knows how to win!

[The King]

The fact that Booher has won a regional tournament and been runner-up in another has much more to do with the talent that has been there than his coaching ability. I think most SV fans will agree that Booher has underachieved with both teams, and has failed to show that he understands the game. The SV faithful are fearful that Booher won't know how to use the talents of the young players that will be there next year. SV has a golden opportunity with it's sophmore, freshman, and 8th grade classes, and the fans don't want to see Booher let it slip away... Maybe not what some of you want to hear, but it's the truth. :thumpsup:

[Ted Dibiasi]

I wouldn't say he underachieved, especially this year. No one thought that SV would do anything this year because Paintsville was supposed to dominate. I would call the boys' performance down here in Paintsville an underachievement. We would love to have even had the opportunity to play for the regional championship like SV did with a group of players which hardly anyone had high expectations for.

[The King]

I wouldn't say he underachieved, especially this year. No one thought that SV would do anything this year because Paintsville was supposed to dominate. I would call the boys' performance down here in Paintsville an underachievement. We would love to have even had the opportunity to play for the regional championship like SV did with a group of players which hardly anyone had high expectations for.

The reason nobody had high expectations for SV during the regional tourney was because they underachieved so much during the regular season. People outside of SV didn't realize that SV had the ability to compete for the regional title, but SV fans knew it from day 1. The talent was there, but Booher just didn't get it out of them until the regional.

[Ted Dibiasi]

That is probably true. I try my best to keep up with everyone in the 15th especially the front runners. I guess Booher was fortunate enough to get it out of them at the right time.

[FOX SPORTS]

When a team underachieves,Is it the coaches fault or is it the fault of spoiled, lazy, burnt out players who have already played too many BIG games during their AAU and other youth league games???

Not pointing fingers, so don't get offended.
It's a legitimate question.

[The King]

When a team underachieves,Is it the coaches fault or is it the fault of spoiled, lazy, burnt out players who have already played too many BIG games during their AAU and other youth league games???

Not pointing fingers, so don't get offended.
It's a legitimate question.

I agree with you for the most part. But in this case I think that most would agree that Booher doesn't take advantage of what he has. He had a fairly dominant inside game this past year, but didn't use it to his advantage at all. His teams run no offense, and he frustrates his players with completely random substitution patterns.

[FOX SPORTS]

I agree with you for the most part. But in this case I think that most would agree that Booher doesn't take advantage of what he has. He had a fairly dominant inside game this past year, but didn't use it to his advantage at all. His teams run no offense, and he frustrates his players with completely random substitution patterns.
Really???
By the end of the season after seeing SV play 3 or 4 times, i knew exactly who was going to sub and when usually..

[2000PHS]

Sad. He seemed to be able to get things done. What did they expect a regional championship after losing players in the same fashion that UNC did last year?

[crazytaxidriver]

My question is, why do parents and players get to choose what they want in this sense.. if a coach was harrassing a player, or committing a crime then i could see the problem. but geez.. everyone wants their kids to excel.. I've heard so many parents say their kid is goin to be great, but when i see them play they flat out suck.. but then they cry because they don't get playing time, then guess what happens..... the parent *****es to someone, and next thing ya know the kid is a starter, getting his way, and if he don't he quits.. This case is becoming ridiculous.. as is most of the other schools around here.. with all the hold backs and bylaws of the khsaa and all that.. but money makes the world go around.. and until someone actually wants their team to win enough to shut their mouth and quit causing trouble it will stay this way, and coaches will come and go as the parents please.. and nothing will get built, dynasties won't get started, and players will continue to stay away from good colleges from this area..

[OldAndDecrepit]

Does anyone know if Booher is acutually thinking about resigning. Or will it be another "my son doesn't get to play, so lets get another coach" situation.

[BasketBallonlyfan]

Lets just say that parents are going to the BOE and stating that if Booher is still there, their middle school "star players" will go to a different school.... you can take it the way you want.

[HazzBeen]

The BOE will tell them to go on and move their kids.....He will win with or without the Virgie kids....I think it is safe to say that he continues to win with or without the superstars. Ok if you are the BOE would you get rid of a coach that has won a regional championship and has a runner-up because of two middle school players? You have to be kidding me!

[FOX SPORTS]

Lets just say that parents are going to the BOE and stating that if Booher is still there, their middle school "star players" will go to a different school.... you can take it the way you want.
Let em go...It's time for the coaches and administration to run the programs not the parents and players.

[Battle Tested]

Let em go...It's time for the coaches and administration to run the programs not the parents and players.
here here

[crazytaxidriver]

Why the heck should the BOE even care??? I mean isn't the BOE over the county.. err.. what i mean is don't each county have their own board????

[crazytaxidriver]

i mean they are the board of EDUCATION, not the board of athletics...

[FOX SPORTS]

I believe this is a good place for this thread to end.
Everything has been said.