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BleachrPreacher

01-26-2006, 06:44 PM

Is it just me or do we all feel that Coach Butcher needs to bring his younger players off the bench so the other 5-6 players that start and finish the game can have a break? Several threads on here talk about what good young players Butcher has....well, can we see them play in a high school game? Honestly, I saw some major talent out of some of the younger ones during the JV games...but now they are too busy holding the floor down or being "watergirls" now to get any playing time.

Here's a shout out to all y'all that are with me on this! Let's bring the dogs out Butcher! Unleash them girls off the bench...they won't show up your favorites too bad (or are you afraid they will)?

Ballchick

01-26-2006, 10:04 PM

Yeah I would have to agree with BleachrPreacher on that one

WeisGuy

01-27-2006, 08:04 AM

Check Central's JV record before you start posting things like that. They've been beaten by an average of around 25-30 a game.

BleedsBlue

01-27-2006, 10:32 AM

Sorry but don't agree with this - who exactly would you put in BleacherPreacher?

I've been to games where Butcher will try to pull from his bench and the young ones just don't have it yet - they may show talent on jv - but not against varsity players. There are a few that in time once they mature a bit will be really good I think (Brown, Blackburn, Mullins) but right now they aren't seasoned enough to bring it to the court for half a game or a full game in varsity.

tballer

01-27-2006, 02:51 PM

If i ain't mistaken didn't Chirstia Brown and Kayla Robinson play on the Mullins Junior high team i think these two girls can do just as good as the Thompson, Harris and the Coleman girl. So i would have to agree that he needs to use his bench just a bit.
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Sorry but don't agree with this - who exactly would you put in BleacherPreacher?

I've been to games where Butcher will try to pull from his bench and the young ones just don't have it yet - they may show talent on jv - but not against varsity players. There are a few that in time once they mature a bit will be really good I think (Brown, Blackburn, Mullins) but right now they aren't seasoned enough to bring it to the court for half a game or a full game in varsity.

15thRegionSlamaBamma

01-27-2006, 03:44 PM

im going to have to disagree to an extent right now the Hawks are getting into the heart of their 15th region schedule and district these girls are going to be great in the future but as of now aren't up the the caliaber to defend the Shea Deskins Belfry and Howards from Goffin...It would help but depends on what they are showing him in practice i dont get to see them practice so i could't tell you...High school and JV are completley opposite...If he does play them and they come in and turn the ball over consecutivley what do you do...you have to put in your starters again...I talked to Butcher for a school newspaper article and he said "I like only playing 6-7 players, i now know which players can take what and how they need to be coached." So i guess it is his own coaching philosophy...Does this hurt them yes...But i mean he sees what he sees and knows which girls play the best together...Once they prove themselves at the varsity level then put them in...But I agree that he should give them a chance when they are against under calaber teams in the region...

BleachrPreacher

01-27-2006, 04:18 PM

I'm glad so many of y'all agree with me! And, as for the one that disagreed with me completely...you've got some opposing arguements. Also, you asked what players I was talking about....well, I'm right there with tballer...Christa Brown and Kayla Brucie Robinson would do just as well as the Thompson, Harris and the Coleman girl. I'm not saying put them in the entire game or even half a game like you sarcastically suggested BleedsBlue...but, shucks giv'em a test drive for more than just a minute...give them a quarter or so. And, if all else fails once Butcher realizes he's loosin' stick the younger ones in...they couldn't do too much damage!

Also, BleedsBlue you say the younger ones just don't have "it" yet...well, my question to you is what is "it" because obviously the older ones don't have "it" either! Like SlammaBamma said, these girls have some great potential, and sure maybe they won't do as well as we are all thinking...but, ****, prove us wrong. That's all I'm asking! I agree that JV and HS basketball are different. But, so is breast milk and baby food...we all have to transition! Let's give these girls a taste of the meat before we decide they aren't "mature" enough to chew!

BleedsBlue

01-28-2006, 11:26 AM

Ballchick

01-29-2006, 10:46 PM

15thRegionSlamaBamma

01-30-2006, 08:00 AM

I completely agree with you the team consists of more than 6 players but I don't think Butcher is aware of this He needs to take notice of the talent sitting on the bench maybe if he made all of his team feel important like he does his 6 the team would excel instead of fail!!!!

looked like they exceled against p-Burg a team that was on a six 8 game winning streak and in that winning streak they beat Paintsville a team that is in the hunt for a regional title this year...Once he did mix it up and put in the girls that you want to play they only made it past half court once...Im not bashing them just stating the facts Butcher is doing a great job and has finaly geled a team together which has really good chemistry from what i saw...the transition game is great with the 6 that play and that is what wins ball games alot of the times...

tballer

02-01-2006, 01:20 PM

Ya, but how many times has he lost when he might have won if he played some of the other girls on the team there is more than 6 players on that team. Besides those other girls are the future of PCC.
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looked like they exceled against p-Burg a team that was on a six 8 game winning streak and in that winning streak they beat Paintsville a team that is in the hunt for a regional title this year...Once he did mix it up and put in the girls that you want to play they only made it past half court once...Im not bashing them just stating the facts Butcher is doing a great job and has finaly geled a team together which has really good chemistry from what i saw...the transition game is great with the 6 that play and that is what wins ball games alot of the times...

WeisGuy

02-01-2006, 01:25 PM

Ya, but how many times has he lost when he might have won if he played some of the other girls on the team there is more than 6 players on that team. Besides those other girls are the future of PCC.
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Central will graduate ONE player, albeit one of the best is school history, in the next two years. There is only one player on the entire team who is in a grade higher than 10th.

bballfanatic

02-01-2006, 02:15 PM

Ya, but how many times has he lost when he might have won if he played some of the other girls on the team there is more than 6 players on that team. Besides those other girls are the future of PCC.
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:bow: Here's the soapbox because I am sick and tired of reading about this in numoerous threads about the "lack of" subbing and all the other idiotic statements against PC and their coach.
IMO, you must know somebody on that bench that needs the spotlight who isn't getting it because you have voiced this complaint over and over again. Have you actually gone to all of the games??!!!! You'd know that he subs the others when he can. From what I've seen for the most part, they can't handle themselves on the court yet. They do well to play jv. Did you see the game with Piarist? Another example, at the P-burg game he subbed in the rest of the bench - did you see that? Thank goodness he has those 6 or PC wouldn't have won the games they have won. I think those 6 do a **** of a job and the rest of the team needs to take the games more seriously and learn to play ball. Basketball is not just about putting on a jersey and hearing your name called over the loudspeaker when you are subbed in or score. You are correct in saying they are the FUTURE. Except for Haley, they all have multiple years to go in school. I'm sure they will get the playing time when they are well rounded enough to play. Until then, when timeout huddles are called they need to act more mature and pay attention to Coach Butcher and stop standing around staring at the crowd or giggling amongst themselves. I have witnessed this more than I wish to. Perhaps then when he does need to sub them they know what is going on out there on the court and how he wants the players to handle the plays.

To Coach Butcher and the Lady Hawks (if you read this site): keep up the good work and ignore these few who haven't a clue what goes on in the world of basketball or know how the game should be played.

BleachrPreacher

02-02-2006, 11:27 AM

:bow: Here's the soapbox because I am sick and tired of reading about this in numoerous threads about the "lack of" subbing and all the other idiotic statements against PC and their coach.
IMO, you must know somebody on that bench that needs the spotlight who isn't getting it because you have voiced this complaint over and over again. Have you actually gone to all of the games??!!!! You'd know that he subs the others when he can. From what I've seen for the most part, they can't handle themselves on the court yet. They do well to play jv. Did you see the game with Piarist? Another example, at the P-burg game he subbed in the rest of the bench - did you see that? Thank goodness he has those 6 or PC wouldn't have won the games they have won. I think those 6 do a **** of a job and the rest of the team needs to take the games more seriously and learn to play ball. Basketball is not just about putting on a jersey and hearing your name called over the loudspeaker when you are subbed in or score. You are correct in saying they are the FUTURE. Except for Haley, they all have multiple years to go in school. I'm sure they will get the playing time when they are well rounded enough to play. Until then, when timeout huddles are called they need to act more mature and pay attention to Coach Butcher and stop standing around staring at the crowd or giggling amongst themselves. I have witnessed this more than I wish to. Perhaps then when he does need to sub them they know what is going on out there on the court and how he wants the players to handle the plays.

To Coach Butcher and the Lady Hawks (if you read this site): keep up the good work and ignore these few who haven't a clue what goes on in the world of basketball or know how the game should be played.

Sorry guys, I've been out of town (and obviously out of touch) for the past 5 days. And, it seemed like we all were having a jolly time giving our thoughts on the new talent at PCCHS. My thoughts, of course, is that bballfanatic you are more than likely one of the "playing 6" (or a parent of one of them) on the team for PCCHS. You are overly emotional at the shear thought of any other player being subbed in other than the star players. I mean really, think about it, Haley Ratliff is the only player on that team that truly needs to be in the game the entire time! Haley is brilliant on the court, and she takes the younger players under her wing and tries to help them learn the game. The main problem with the team is players like you...the ones who can't see the potential in the younger girls, and is such a middle of the road player the thought of the younger ones impressing the coach scares the crap out of you.

I'm not saying the younger girls are better or will even "make it past half-court" every game....but they don't need the negativity that everyone thinks they can't do it! That's the root of this issue. I've heard that Butcher has been subbing the girls in more (since I've been away), so obviously he agrees with me!

So, way to go Butcher for subbing in the young talent (diversity is virtue)! And, as for bballfanatic if you're so sick and tired of reading this thread....here's a thought, DON'T! No one is making you click on the thread to read it. We are all on here conversing in fun about a team we have in common....

15thRegionSlamaBamma

02-02-2006, 06:52 PM

Here is the deal everyone you play to win...In close games by what these young girls have shown you cant sub them in point blank they do have potential but potential not playing up to your potential is a bad thing...They are not ready nor have the poise to step out against the top teams in the region...When you are up big you can sub them in and let them get a better feel for the game at the next level...They just have to play and learn...Right now PC and the rest of the region is in the ladder part of the season the gloves are off and playing around with your game plan is over...By now you should know who is ready and who is "not"...I think Butcher is doing the correct thing he does have a few who could be playing more but the majority no...Im not trying to put any kids down they just have to mature as young ladies and players...It is hard for grade school kids to comprehend the importance of the high school game...But all in all keep it up Butcher and the young girls...You will have your time to shine everyone has to start somewhere just not always the top...Work your tails off and who knows over the summer Harris, Coleman or Thompson would be out of the starting line up and you could be in their shoes...

bballfanatic

02-02-2006, 07:24 PM

:AngelPray How was I being negative?

I didn't say the other girls COULDN'T play. I said they needed to pay more attention during the game and IN TIME with maturity would qualify to be subbed. From what I have witnessed in the few games I have attended, their coach has subbed (all along) when he was up against smaller teams or had the winning advantage. Most of PCHS' games have matched them with talented and tall teams and there is not much those little ones can do. Even your so called "six" have had their share of battles on the court.

Furthermore, I am NOT a player or parent, so I guess that is why I am not watching these games with rose colored glasses.

I am not tired of reading this thread or other threads. I think it's good to view various opnions. I am just tired of everyone complaining about this team. I think under the cir***stances they all do the best that they can do.

GOOD LUCK to ALL the LADY HAWKS - tomorrow's game against Piarist will "bring you off the bench" I'm sure.

b-ball_gal2006

02-02-2006, 07:54 PM

im sure it will too

Phoenix

02-03-2006, 08:18 AM

I think that Butcher is doing a great job, and as it has been pointed out already, when he does sub, especially when Haley is off the floor, the team falls apart. Letting everyone play in every game is okay when you are in pee wee league, but this is high school varsity. Teams are out there to win and there is, I'm speculating, a tremendous amount of pressure on this coach to win. They are doing well with the 6 or 7 that do play a consistent amount of time, why mess with that? Work hard in the offseason. The girls that are on the bench aren't even in high school yet, they should be happy with the time they are getting. If they went to another school, Belfry or Magoffin County, for example, there is a good chance they wouldn't even get to sit on the bench during a game. They will get their turn.

15thRegionSlamaBamma

02-03-2006, 08:27 AM

good post what i've been trying to point out all along

BleedsBlue

02-03-2006, 09:01 AM

Good post Phoenix

b-ball_gal2006

02-03-2006, 11:09 PM

The game aginst piraist did "Bring us off the bench"

BleachrPreacher

02-08-2006, 02:26 PM

Phoenix,

Honey, you're a day late and a dollar short. Others have said the same thing your posting does weeks ago! But, thanks for joining us.

Now, I hear you all loud and clear. Not that I'm agreeing completely with you though. My words will come to pass; I guarantee in 2 years when those girls now holding down the bench hit the floor (and are mature) PCCHS will be unstoppable! Then we'll see who is wrong....

Phoenix

02-08-2006, 03:16 PM

You're welcome, but at least two posters found my post helpful...

kawasaki_babe

02-10-2006, 11:19 PM

I have never seen none of them girls play before this year but i must say they could run with the other centrals like pennington,thomphson&harris. krista brown can handle the ball very well for her grade and size she sure isn't scared to drive in and drawl fouls.Brucie is a great asset to that team with her size,she is the only one who will clear the lanes for her fellow central's (keep going brucie & krista). I think you all have failed to bring up an other good player for central her name is Jamie mullins we she is having a good night she is awesome and super fast.I also want to know about that #22 & #50 on jv &varsity i think there nmes are murphy and howell why dont they get to play. all i have to say if you are reading this keep going you are going no matter what happens.
:wieghts: Brucie :redboxer: -krista :champ: -Jame :rock: -howell :#1: -murphy
:worthy: let them play more.....

BIG DADDY

02-11-2006, 12:30 PM

[B]I just hope the people who are debating this is not on the same team. I hope this isn't parents of players on the same team.

There is one standout on the team and she is a junior. I watched a few games this year, varsity and middle school. All of the freshman and 8th graders need to get some playing time. Some of the players just has more playing time and if you have ever played the game or watch much high sports THAT MEANS A LOT. Coach needs to give his players a chance. Play them more often. DONT TAKE THEM OUT if they make 1 mistake. The players that dont get to play much are nervous, THE LAST THING they need is to be afraid of the coach pulling them out......That goes for every sport, girls or boys.

CaptianAmericia

02-11-2006, 12:55 PM

I agree bb they need a little more time.

15thRegionSlamaBamma

02-11-2006, 04:50 PM

ppl they only have like 4 games left so drop it they are just now finding who can play together...Chemistry is apart of the game and this team is finding one and the other 5 or 6 grade school girls don't fit in right now and thats the facts...They just half to work hard this summer bust their butts and prove themselves not saying they didnt this year...But it is almost March Madness it is time to start bringing it and stop trying to make players and parents happy...

15th Fan

02-11-2006, 04:56 PM

I agree with you SlammaBamma

kawasaki_babe

02-12-2006, 05:03 PM

i must agree to that im talking about like on jv and beginning of thew year

Kitty

02-12-2006, 05:38 PM

I remember the Mullins vs JC grade school scores. Butcher is smart to wait on those subs. Only on big leads. Those Mullins girls already have played their season and need much, much more experience before you play with the big girls. Hang in there Butcher you are doing the right think.

kawasaki_babe

02-12-2006, 05:53 PM

yes but some mullins players are just as good as jc player but they are deffintly no holly or hannah i know that

kawasaki_babe

02-12-2006, 05:54 PM

mess with the best die like the rest

basketball_20

02-12-2006, 06:08 PM

i would have to agree with you kakawasaki you are very right the only reson jc was as good as they were was because them too

basketball_20

02-12-2006, 06:57 PM

jc has 2 relly good players harris and thomphson the held the weight of that team all year

big_gurls_rock

02-19-2006, 11:16 PM

i agree

SCOUt

02-22-2006, 03:10 PM

If i ain't mistaken didn't Chirstia Brown and Kayla Robinson play on the Mullins Junior high team i think these two girls can do just as good as the Thompson, Harris and the Coleman girl. So i would have to agree that he needs to use his bench just a bit.
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are you crazy? Yes the young girls are good for jv but when butcher puts them in they are like chickens with there heads cutt off
and there jv is not that great either. just b/c they played good at paintsville every body worships them but they have been beaten on a average to 20 to 30 points. im sorry that the johns creek girls have it and the mullins girls dont
they will but not right now

SCOUt

02-22-2006, 03:19 PM

you really cant be serious
in grade school thompson and harris took it to thoses mullin girls. they didnt know what do do. and they prp still do it in practice
yes they are good for jv but no they cannot play varsity right now they are not good enough yet. Do you see the little brown girl garding shae deskins? i really doubt that
on the other hand thompson and harris can
and it is people like you that keep the mullins and johnscreek thing goin on. It people like you that could ruin team chemistrey.
Haley ratliff is a mullins girl ok and she starts every game so be happy about that

pcchs_gal_33

02-22-2006, 06:14 PM

Coach Butcher understands that the younger girls have gitters when they enter the Varsity game and he trys to sub. them in sometimes. But in most instances like against Belfry, Paintsville, or any other strong team for that matter, the younger girls are gonna fall apart if you sub. them in. Like Scout said, chickens with their heads cut off. So yeah, they're great as a JV team, but in a tough Varsity game, maybe its best for them to root they're team on and be prepared at all times. They should also keep practiceing and make the Varsity team better by making themselves better. They'll learn, give em time!

b-ball_gal2006

02-22-2006, 11:11 PM

tballer

03-02-2006, 01:08 PM

I hate to inform you but those Johns Creek girls have played their season as well and need just as much experience as the Mullins girls do and as for the big dogs there is none. And as for Butcher he needs to stick to teaching and stop trying to coach.
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I remember the Mullins vs JC grade school scores. Butcher is smart to wait on those subs. Only on big leads. Those Mullins girls already have played their season and need much, much more experience before you play with the big girls. Hang in there Butcher you are doing the right think.

15thRegionSlamaBamma

03-03-2006, 08:20 AM

isnt teaching the game part of coaching???

FOX SPORTS

03-03-2006, 08:26 AM

Once they leave grade school, they are no longer Mullins or Johns Creek girls. They are Pike Central girls...let it go.

pcchs_gal_33

03-03-2006, 09:06 PM

All of the girls from Mullins and Johns Creek that play for Pike Central are in the 8th grade. This meaning that next year they will be freshmen at PIKE CENTRAL! They won't be playing for Johns Creek or Mullins anymore. That needs to be stopped. It's District time people! And some people are still bickering about that!

Okay, point two... Butcher is a great coach (and for you, tballer, a great teacher as well!) He's doing everything he possibly can for these girls. It's all about wether the GIRLS will do everything they possibly can for themselves as well!

And some people on here commented on the other girls to be "watergirls". That, my friends, is totally unnessisary but very true. Since when have you seen freshmen/8th graders get BOO-KOO's of playing time in a VARSITY game? Not a lot! Holly, Hannah, and Abby do because they have skills that the other younger girls do not have. It's like this in every sport, not just girls basketball. I don't think the younger girls that sit the bench MIND sitting the bench. I say this because in a varsity game, its much much MUCH more intemidating than a JV game. I would rather sit the bench, rooting for my team, and keeping them hydrated the whole game, than be lost, confused, and "gittery" on the court. If they really love being on the team like I KNOW they do, they don't care if they ever get to play just as long as PIKE CENTRAL wins the game!

basketball_20

03-03-2006, 11:55 PM

ok well pcchs_gal_33 i must agree i just would like to point out to all the other people on here who think the know it all well you don't these grade school girls look at thereselves as pike central lady hawks, get over it because thats what there all going to be i was at the pcchs and phelps district tournament and i seen at the end of the bench 4 so called watergurls 1 a pcchs freshmen 1 a jc gurl and 2 mullins gurl sitting there hydrateing there team going crazzy when they won the game.... leave these gurls a lone please your starting arguments