[Truth]

I just saw Tony Perkins, the erstwhile presdient of the Family Research Council, on FOX and he was "explaining" the meeting in Texas where Evangelical leaders voted to endorse Rick Santorum for the Republican nomination.

It is obvious that these Evangelicals are between a rock and a hard place. Do they endorse a Morman, a Catholic, a Catholic convert, or a Libertarian? And, I'm sure Christie, everyone's true favorite, makes them nervous since he, too, is a Catholic.

I guess their vote suggests that these people grudgingly prefer a Catholic to a Morman. Apparently, they want to stop Romney from receiving the nomination that he has all but locked up. The end result will merely be to further damage Romney which, obviously, benefits Obama.

Just what do these people want? I understand that many, maybe most, Evangelicals think they have all the answers. However, it might be good for them to learn that, for the defense of basic Christian tenets, Romney is far preferable to Obama. Do they prefer one whose religious beliefs are, at best, unknown and, at worst, non-Christian?

There is a lot more that can be said but this post is already too lengthy. I would just suggest that these "purists" better think again and realize that by aiding and abetting the reelection of Obama, they are guaranteeing further destruction of those sacred beliefs that they hold so dear.

Not smart.

[Hoot Gibson]

Evangelical GOP voters will vote for any Republican over Obama and there endorsement of Santorum will have no impact on the nomination of the Republican candidate. I am sure that most would prefer Santorum or Gingrich over Romney but Obama's pandering to Muslims will be enough motivation to turn out the evangelical voters in big numbers and very few of them will be voting for Obama, regardless of who the Republican candidate is.

[Truth]

Santorum can't beat Obama. Gingrich sure can't beat Obama. However, both continue to damage Romney, who may be able to beat Obama. My point is that these "purists" better realize that their true "enemy" is Obama and his anti-Christian philosophy. They need to do all they can to defeat Obama and they need to realize that Mormans are, at least, Christians even though they may not walk in lockstep with the Evangelicals.

Right now, the Evangelicals are, as I said earlier, aiding and abetting Obama by openly endorsing those who cannot win but who can and do damage the ultimate nominee. And that is committing political, moral, and philosophical suicide.

[Bob Seger]

Santorum can't beat Obama. Gingrich sure can't beat Obama. However, both continue to damage Romney, who may be able to beat Obama. My point is that these "purists" better realize that their true "enemy" is Obama and his anti-Christian philosophy. They need to do all they can to defeat Obama and they need to realize that Mormans are, at least, Christians even though they may not walk in lockstep with the Evangelicals.

Right now, the Evangelicals are, as I said earlier, aiding and abetting Obama by openly endorsing those who cannot win but who can and do damage the ultimate nominee. And that is committing political, moral, and philosophical suicide.

I disagree on both points.

[Hoot Gibson]

I disagree on both points.

I agree but I don't think either can deny Romney the nomination. Santorum was too underfunded to set up the kind of national organization that he needed, given his low name recognition. Gingrich has the name recognition but he has made too many tactical blunders since he resigned from the House to win the nomination, IMO. A recent poll shows that even Ron Paul is in a statistical dead heat when paired against Obama. Any halfway competent opponent will have the upper hand this fall against Obama. Obama will be forced to make some desperate moves to stay competitive.

The thing that worries me most about the upcoming election is an October surprise that would give Obama a short term bump in popularity just before the election. For example, replacing our nitwit VP with Hillary or starting a war with Yemen or some other small Al Qaeda infested country.

If I were Romney, I would have one of my high level surrogates publicly predicting that Biden will not be on the ticket in November. Force Obama to defend and embrace Biden early and make sure that if Biden is ultimately replaced, the element of surprise will be gone.

[Hoot Gibson]

Santorum can't beat Obama. Gingrich sure can't beat Obama. However, both continue to damage Romney, who may be able to beat Obama. My point is that these "purists" better realize that their true "enemy" is Obama and his anti-Christian philosophy. They need to do all they can to defeat Obama and they need to realize that Mormans are, at least, Christians even though they may not walk in lockstep with the Evangelicals.

Right now, the Evangelicals are, as I said earlier, aiding and abetting Obama by openly endorsing those who cannot win but who can and do damage the ultimate nominee. And that is committing political, moral, and philosophical suicide.

As long as Romney is winning primaries, and I just don't see Gingrich or Santorum winning one, they are doing no lasting damage to Romney. Political donations for both Gingrich and Santorum will soon slow to a trickle if they are unable to win a primary and Republicans will line up behind Romney, including most evangelical Christians The alternative is unthinkable.

[TheRealVille]

Santorum can't beat Obama. Gingrich sure can't beat Obama. However, both continue to damage Romney, who may be able to beat Obama. My point is that these "purists" better realize that their true "enemy" is Obama and his anti-Christian philosophy. They need to do all they can to defeat Obama and they need to realize that Mormans are, at least, Christians even though they may not walk in lockstep with the Evangelicals.

Right now, the Evangelicals are, as I said earlier, aiding and abetting Obama by openly endorsing those who cannot win but who can and do damage the ultimate nominee. And that is committing political, moral, and philosophical suicide.

According to most evangelical Christians, Mormons are not even a little bit Christian. It would be hard to put a number to it, but I would guess that at least 90% of learned evangelical Christians consider Mormons a cult, with not even a little bit of true Christianity involved in their religion.

[LWC]

Two reasons why:

1. They are not big fans of Romney.

2. It could be a way for the "Evangelicals" to try and influence Romney to be more like them, for lack of a better phrase.

[LWC]

According to most evangelical Christians, Mormons are not even a little bit Christian. It would be hard to put a number to it, but I would guess that at least 90% of learned evangelical Christians consider Mormons a cult, with not even a little bit of true Christianity involved in their religion.

Most will say that they add too much to the Christian faith. (i.e. in practice, it seems as if they give equal weight to the Book of Mormon as they do the Bible, etc...)

[Truth]

I think you boys are doing exactly what Gov. Christie warned against- you are underestimating Obama. Obama will have the full support of the media with its ability to manipulate the truth. That is a certainty. Obama will have plenty of money. Obama will have the support and votes of nearly all who pay no income taxes and, instead, live off the system. Bank on it. Obama will have the great majority of the minority vote which will include 95+% of the black vote. Obama will have the full support of union leaders with all the money and organization that goes with that. Obama will have the support of Hollywood which, sadly, tends to impress some of our airhead voters. Obama will have his usual support in the "halls of learning" from elementary teachers through college professors (again some tend to listen to them). Obama's people and the media will play the "race card" at every opportunity (never doubt it). All in all, Obama will be very hard to beat. To believe otherwise is folly and dangerous.

I see no way Santorum or Gingrich can beat Obama. Santorum would be painted by the media and others as some sort of right wing nut with outdated beliefs. Gingrich, whether right or wrong, is already disliked by a large majority of voters- even Republicans. No. Neither can win. That is reality.

The media will make every effort to insure that Obama's dismal record is not the focus of the campaign.

However, I do agree with Hoot in his last paragraph of post #5. Romney needs to take off his pink panties and get tough. Coach Rupp always said the best defense is a good offense. Romney needs to learn that fact. The Biden attack would be a good start- but just a start. the Democrats will do whatever it takes to win. The Republicans need to fight fire with fire. This country cannot survive four more years of Obama's socialistic agenda.

[Truth]

According to most evangelical Christians, Mormons are not even a little bit Christian. It would be hard to put a number to it, but I would guess that at least 90% of learned evangelical Christians consider Mormons a cult, with not even a little bit of true Christianity involved in their religion.

I don't know about that but I do know that Muslims aren't Christians.

[TheRealVille]

I don't know about that but I do know that Muslims aren't Christians.

I do. And according to evangelical Christians, Mormons aren't any closer to God than Muslims. According to Mormon history, a 14 year old having a dream about some golden tablets, is what brought about Mormonism. Mormonism, is the Christian sense of the word, is nowhere near Christian. According to Christians, Mormonism is no more Christian, than Islam is. According to Christians, Mormons are no more Christian than I am.

According to The Latter Day Saint movement, including Mormonism, originated in the 1820s in western New York. Restored by Joseph Smith, Jr., the faith drew its first converts while Smith was dictating the text of the Book of Mormon. This book described itself as a chronicle of early indigenous peoples of the Americas, portraying them as believing Israelites, who had a belief in Christ many hundred years before his birth. Smith claimed he translated over 500 pages in about 60 days,[2] and that it was an ancient record translated "by the gift and power of God".[3] During production of this work in mid-1829, Smith, his close associate Oliver Cowdery, and other early followers began baptizing new converts into a Christian primitivist church, formally organized in 1830 as the Church of Christ. Smith was seen by his followers as a modern-day prophet.
Smith told his followers that he had seen a vision of God the Father and Jesus Christ in spring 1820 in answer to his question of which sect (see denomination) he should join. Sometimes called the "First Vision", Smith's vision of God the Father and Jesus Christ as two separate beings was reportedly the basis for the difference in doctrine between Mormonism's view of the nature of God and that of orthodox Christianity. Smith's 1838 written account of this vision is considered by some Mormon denominations to be scripture and is contained in a book called "The Pearl of Great Price." Smith further claimed that in answer to his prayer: "I was answered [by Jesus] that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: "they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof."[4] By 1830, Smith reported that he had been instructed that God would use him to re-establish the true Christian church and that the Book of Mormon would be the means of establishing correct doctrine for the restored church.
Smith's church grew steadily, but from the beginning in 1830, its members were persecuted. To avoid persecution from New York residents, the members moved to Kirtland, Ohio and hoped to establish a permanent New Jerusalem in Jackson County, Missouri. However, they were expelled from Jackson County in 1833 and forced to flee Kirtland in early 1838. In Missouri, the Mormon War of 1838 resulted in the "Mormon Extermination Order," resulting in the expulsion of Latter Day Saints from Missouri, and they settled in Nauvoo, Illinois. In 1844, Smith was killed by members of the Illinois militia, precipitating a succession crisis. The largest group of Mormons accepted Brigham Young as the new prophet/leader and emigrated to what became the Utah Territory, where they incorporated The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The church began to openly practice plural marriage, a form of polygamy that Smith had instituted in Nauvoo. Plural marriage became the faith's most sensational characteristic during the 19th century, but vigorous opposition by the United States Congress threatened the church's existence as a legal institution. In his 1890 Manifesto, church president Wilford Woodruff announced the official end of plural marriage, though the practice continued unofficially until the early 20th century.
Several smaller groups of Mormons broke with the LDS Church over the issue of plural marriage, forming several denominations of Mormon fundamentalism. Meanwhile, the LDS Church has become a proponent of monogamy and patriotism, has extended its reach internationally by a vigorous missionary program, and has grown in size to 14 million members. The church is becoming a part of the American and international mainstream. However, it consciously and intentionally retains its identity as a "peculiar people"[5] set apart from the world by what it believes is its unique relationship with God.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism

[Hoot Gibson]

Mormons have never slaughtered thousands of Americans before. Given the choice between Obama, who is not a credible Christian, and a Mormon, very few conservative Christians are going to vote for Obama.

[TheRealVille]

True Muslims have never slaughtered thousands of Americans either.

[Hoot Gibson]

There is no denying that the members of Al Qaeda who planned and executed the 9/11 attacks were Muslims - radical extremists to be sure - but Muslims to their core. I don't see Obama as a religious man but I do view him as a man who has pandered to Muslims. He is also closely associated with black liberation theology, which is seen by many, including me, as a cult. Romney's Mormanism will not hurt him in a race against Obama because the election will not be viewed as a race between a Mormon and a Christian.

[Truth]

Romney's Mormonism will hurt him. Obama will be portrayed as a Christian by the media and by his surrogates. He may even begin attending some Christian church on occasion. the truth is that many, many voters are ignorant. To be honest, many Christians are ignorant. In the end, many will believe in Obama's contrived Christianity but will recoil at the thought of the Mormon. I would like to be wrong. However, I'm afraid I will be right.

Personally, I think Gingrich would make the best president. He is the only one who tells the truth about what is wrong with the country. He is not afraid to say that our citizens need to quit whining about their perceived "rights" and to realize that they have responsibilities. On social and moral issues, I believe he has come a long way in the right direction since he converted to Catholicism.

Unfortunately, I don't think he can win and we must win. God help us, and I doubt He will do so, if Obama wins again.

[TheRealVille]

True Muslims have never slaughtered thousands of Americans.

[Truth]

True Muslims have never slaughtered thousands of Americans either.

Really? Those who hjacked the airplanes and killed our citizens weren't Presbyterians, were they? The depth of their Muslim stripes is meaningless. They were Muslims carrying out what they believed to be their Muslim duty. They had to get the idea somewhere. If it wasn't from their Muslim beliefs, where did it come from? It sure didn't come from the Book of Mormon. I don't know if Obama is a Muslim or not. However, he is certainly sympathic to and schooled in its beliefs.

[vundy33]

It isn't their beliefs, it's a jacked up interpretation of Islam and hate for everything America and our allies stand for. That's it. And also, I could care less if Pres Obama is a Muslim..that's his business. I can't believe so many people care about it. Land of the free my ass...

[Hoot Gibson]

It isn't their beliefs, it's a jacked up interpretation of Islam and hate for everything America and our allies stand for. That's it. And also, I could care less if Pres Obama is a Muslim..that's his business. I can't believe so many people care about it. Land of the free my ass...

The question is whether Romney being a Mormon will keep him from the White House. If Obama were widely perceived as a devout Christian, then Romney's religion would be a bigger handicap for him to overcome. I don't see many conservative evangelicals voting for Obama because they see him as one of their own. I don't think that the religion of the candidates will be an issue. The state of the economy will overshadow everything else. If it doesn't, then Republicans will be running another stupid presidential campaign.

[vundy33]

Agreed...

[RunItUpTheGut]

Ron Paul is an admitted born again christian....

[nky]

Ron Paul is an admitted born again christian....

now his "followers" need to realise they're "born Again Idiots"

[vundy33]

^^hahaha