[TheRealThing]

Well this mercifully, will be Mr Obama's last State of the Union. Though he will likely have to put off golf for awhile for having worked so hard at patting himself on the back during his speech tonight, the average household none the less has seen their earnings reduced by 7.4%. That is if one is fortunate enough to be one of the 62% of Americans actually working. For the remaining 38%, which supposedly boils down to a 5% unemployment rate, it's just too bad I guess. We're all still better off just because Obama says so.

Meanwhile, he will no doubt extoll the grandness of his Iranian nuke deal in spite to fact that Iran is firing missiles perilously close to our fleet, has illegally tested ICBM's and, only today has seized two light Naval vessels and 10 US sailors in the Strait of Hormuz. I warned about that kind thing on here a few months ago, see post #16. http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/sho...ait+hormuz


Anyway, belly up to the bar boys, it's buckets of liberal monkey puke all around. irateSho

[Demarcus ware]

I'm trying very hard to watch this but it's almost too much to handle.

[Demarcus ware]

Obama says,"No country shall attack us or our allies". Just six hours or so earlier Iran seized two navy small boats and 10 sailors, but no mention of it from him tonight. I would list all the lies that I caught but it's late, maybe tomorrow.

[Granny Bear]

He didn't even mention it???!!!

See, that's why I chose not to listen. I just can't handle the bullshit anymore, or the fact that so many choose to swallow it.

[WideRight05]

Obama took obvious shots at Trump and Cruz during the SOTU. Tell me this, I haven't watched a whole lot of them, is that a regular thing to do during that? I know there's a lot of political cheap shots being taken but I figured the SOTU was more to unite than divide.

With that being said, Nikki Haley's response disgusted me even more than Obama. I can think of plenty who could have given a better response. Cruz and Trump are combining for well over 50% of the polls in the GOP primary. What does the establishment do?

"Oh no! The Democrats might be offended by their stance on closed borders! We need somebody that won't offend!"

I know I'm repeating the likes of several posters on here, but I'm straight up tired of the establishment.

[Demarcus ware]

Obama took obvious shots at Trump and Cruz during the SOTU. Tell me this, I haven't watched a whole lot of them, is that a regular thing to do during that? I know there's a lot of political cheap shots being taken but I figured the SOTU was more to unite than divide.

With that being said, Nikki Haley's response disgusted me even more than Obama. I can think of plenty who could have given a better response. Cruz and Trump are combining for well over 50% of the polls in the GOP primary. What does the establishment do?

"Oh no! The Democrats might be offended by their stance on closed borders! We need somebody that won't offend!"

I know I'm repeating the likes of several posters on here, but I'm straight up tired of the establishment.

I agree. Her response was even more disgusting than Obama's speech. Like you, i have always avoided these, but i just watched to count the lies nicker: First he takes shots at Cruz and Trump, then turns right around and admits he didn't bring the parties together to work on issues like he should have. Mitch Mcconnell looked like a kid in a toy store smiling standing cheering Obama on. As i've said, i usually don't watch, but in the past when i did watch a few, i've never seen the opposing party stand and cheer the way these Republicans did last night. Nikki Haley said this morning that Ryan and Mcconnell approved her response before giving it, the establishment is worried right now about Trump and Cruz, and it's painfully obvious.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Rush put it best.
All republican goons from the establishment swear if Cruz or Trump get the nomination then Hillary will wipe the floor with them. Rushs response was then where does that put the establishment candidates that these two are beating by 20 and 30 percentage points?

Haley is just like every other establishment candidate. A freaking wannabe democrat. They can have her.

[TheRealThing]

Obama took obvious shots at Trump and Cruz during the SOTU. Tell me this, I haven't watched a whole lot of them, is that a regular thing to do during that? I know there's a lot of political cheap shots being taken but I figured the SOTU was more to unite than divide.

With that being said, Nikki Haley's response disgusted me even more than Obama. I can think of plenty who could have given a better response. Cruz and Trump are combining for well over 50% of the polls in the GOP primary. What does the establishment do?

"Oh no! The Democrats might be offended by their stance on closed borders! We need somebody that won't offend!"

I know I'm repeating the likes of several posters on here, but I'm straight up tired of the establishment.

Was that not the most disgusting display of monkey puke gargling you've ever seen? And what is it with Nikki's teeth? She looked like Joe Biden with his jaws wired together.

The clarified rationale of the Republican establishment is now being put out there. It's the 'positive' message. What a nightmare, there is absolutely no difference between Obama's theo-political theatre and the newly adopted version that Republicans are starting to shovel. In other words, the Karl Roves, Jeb Bushes, and apparently Nikki Haleys are trying their best to morph the two parties together in a new kind of theocracy, for lack of a better term. The Secular Church of Man, I suppose. At any rate, it is a backdoor attempt by the Karl Rove wing of the Republicans to rehabilitate Jeb, who was supposed to be the "Happy Warrior" remember that one? Rove will get nastier and nastier as his boy Jeb fails to impress.

They're obviously not smart enough to realize that what people are seeing in Donald Trump's speeches IS A POSITIVE MESSAGE!!! Granny, you said it, and your reaction demonstrated it best in your post "I just can't handle the bullshit anymore." Well, neither can nobody who uses their head for anything other than a hat rack, and I for one, don't need some glorified secular cheerleader directing my path. I hope Trump takes all 50 states. And I hope the Bushes and Karl Rove retire down in Argentina somewhere.

[Granny Bear]

You know..."monkey puke gargling" really IS disgusting!

nicker:

[TheRealThing]

You know..."monkey puke gargling" really IS disgusting!

nicker:

Self delusion is the liberal's favorite tool, and the reason they seem shameless when they lie. The reason? Because as the term self delusion implies, they are equal opportunity deceivers in that they are as fond of lying to themselves as they are to others. I got a shiver last night when I heard our President say, "Let me tell you something, the United States of America is the most powerful nation on earth. Period."

It scares me when he uses the word period, remember this one?--- "If you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan. Period."
After he made that now infamously untrue statement, I was forced out of my plan, period.

One is not powerful if deterrents he possesses are mere props. The argument is not whether the US has yet finished the task of completely decimating our own Armed Services through cuts and unsupported conclusions about the moral evolvement of mankind. The argument is whether we have the will to use our Armed Services, and that is what the Republicans have been saying. I saw and heard the events of October 1962, and IMHO, this President would never had the courage or the military savvy to do what John F Kennedy did. If Obama had been President then, Russia would likely have a vast naval station in Cuba as we speak.

To support that conclusion I would call attention to the way Iran treated 10 US sailors and though they have been released, the best I can determine the property of "the people" of the United States in the form of 2 patrol boats, remain in the hands of Iran. I mean, all of this happened in the shadow of a US Naval Carrier group. In back alley parlance, we got our head handed to us. Trump is exactly right when he says we don't win anymore. US heads of state are all issued turbo packs to crawfish more effectively.

Getting back to this Nikki Haley thing. It's obvious that the Republican establishment handed her the text of her speech. She's another rising star ala the vision of the Bush wing of the party and I'm done with her.

[TheRealThing]

^^ Okay, now I'm hearing definitive reporting that the sailors were escorted on their two boats to a prearranged rendezvous with US forces, and that at a certain point the Iranian escort turned away. We still got our head handed to us and I just heard John Kerry thanking Iran for illegal seizure of US property and holding the 10 sailors at gunpoint. Which was photographed and sent out presumably for the entertainment of America's foes.

[TheRealThing]

I agree. Her response was even more disgusting than Obama's speech. Like you, i have always avoided these, but i just watched to count the lies nicker: First he takes shots at Cruz and Trump, then turns right around and admits he didn't bring the parties together to work on issues like he should have. Mitch Mcconnell looked like a kid in a toy store smiling standing cheering Obama on. As i've said, i usually don't watch, but in the past when i did watch a few, i've never seen the opposing party stand and cheer the way these Republicans did last night. Nikki Haley said this morning that Ryan and Mcconnell approved her response before giving it, the establishment is worried right now about Trump and Cruz, and it's painfully obvious.

There are several GOP establishment types that I have had enough of, my hope is that given the right leadership, Ryan and McConnell will find their souls again and act like conservatives. The media are in it up to their eyeballs too, as is FOX News digital politics editor Chris Stirewalt. The guy has been relentless in his attacks against Trump since the first debate because Trump slammed Megyn Kelly. In doing so, FOX News is actively engaging in campaigning, and whether for or against any particular candidate, that behavior (creating news outside of the facts) is wrong in my view. There are many more like Stirewalt on all the TV channels campaigning against Trump. Suffice it to say, what a relief it will be when the actual voting gets started. One thing is certain, the voter is more engaged this election cycle than any would have imagined. Self governance may not be completely dead after all.

According to Lou Dobbs this evening, Trump has ignited the Republican base in a manner not seen since the days of Ronald Reagan. And the similarities are eerily similar. Just as in Reagan's case, the establishment hates Trump and have tried their best to turn the voter against him. The media are no better with their constant make believe scenarios which feature all kinds of make believe pit falls in a prospective Trump Presidency. Further, he has succeeded in uniting support and the Republican base in a manner that has exceeded the RNC's wildest hopes, and the bozos are still blasting away at him just as predicted.

Dobbs and precious few others such as Hannity and Stewart Varney have been trying to point out the obvious truth here, and they have done so as pointedly as possible where it applies to folks such as Nikki Haley. She might want to consider that Trump is leading among voters in her own state by a wide margin the next time she feels the urge to slam Mr Trump. Those are Republican voters we're talking about, a fact that has seemingly escaped her. When she slams Trump, she's slamming a very large segment of her own constituency.

[Demarcus ware]

There are several GOP establishment types that I have had enough of, my hope is that given the right leadership, Ryan and McConnell will find their souls again and act like conservatives. The media are in it up to their eyeballs too, as is FOX News digital politics editor Chris Stirewalt. The guy has been relentless in his attacks against Trump since the first debate because Trump slammed Megyn Kelly. In doing so, FOX News is actively engaging in campaigning, and whether for or against any particular candidate, that behavior (creating news outside of the facts) is wrong in my view. There are many more like Stirewalt on all the TV channels campaigning against Trump. Suffice it to say, what a relief it will be when the actual voting gets started. One thing is certain, the voter is more engaged this election cycle than any would have imagined. Self governance may not be completely dead after all.

According to Lou Dobbs this evening, Trump has ignited the Republican base in a manner not seen since the days of Ronald Reagan. And the similarities are eerily similar. Just as in Reagan's case, the establishment hates Trump and have tried their best to turn the voter against him. The media are no better with their constant make believe scenarios which feature all kinds of make believe pit falls in a prospective Trump Presidency. Further, he has succeeded in uniting support and the Republican base in a manner that has exceeded the RNC's wildest hopes, and the bozos are still blasting away at him just as predicted.

Dobbs and precious few others such as Hannity and Stewart Varney have been trying to point out the obvious truth here, and they have done so as pointedly as possible where it applies to folks such as Nikki Haley. She might want to consider that Trump is leading among voters in her own state by a wide margin the next time she feels the urge to slam Mr Trump. Those are Republican voters we're talking about, a fact that has seemingly escaped her. When she slams Trump, she's slamming a very large segment of her own constituency.

Listening to Rush yesterday, he said the same thing. The Republicans know they can't win the white house without some Dems crossing over. A poll showed 20% of Dems was willing to do that to vote for Trump. Yet, the "Establishment" is trying their best to run those away. The GOP doesn't even stand for what they say they do. I'm truly amazed at how dysfunctional this group of politicians really are right now. They have no idea what they stand for anymore or what they want. As for Ryan and Mcconnell i believe that ship has sailed. They both honestly believe what they have done and are doing is the correct thing. Now, my question is this. If Trump or Cruz win this, will Mcconnell work with them as POTUS or will they fight against them?

As for Haley, she has done nothing but hurt herself IMO. I'm not sure which one is considering her for VP but i can honestly say i won't vote for that person as long as she is on the ticket.

[WideRight05]

^ I'm with you man. Haley really hurt herself yesterday. Actually, I have some more additional information on it to get our blood boiling more...

First off, the Spanish version of Nikki Haley's response had some changed words to imply even moreso that the GOP supported amnesty for illegals. The party (at least, the establishment) has given into this whole thing about political correctness and doesn't want to offend people.

Second, something I overlooked at the end, is that Nikki Haley implied that the GOP would "respect the differences in modern families." AKA, the party gives up fighting for traditional marriage. It's not a lost cause. It certainly hasn't been a lost cause in Spain where support for traditional marriage is lower, where not too long ago hundreds of thousands of people marched for traditional marriage and legislation was brought up to fight it (Spain redefined marriage in 2005) in the so-called most LGBT friendly country in the world.

As Demarcus Ware mentioned, right now 20% of Democrats are willing to vote for Trump. I was shocked yesterday when a close friend of mine (more like a Jim Webb type Democrat) expressed interest in voting for Trump should he win this nomination. He's tired of this country going the direction it is with political correctness and the like and agrees that our society is going down the tubes fast. He is watching Trump to see how he tears into some of the establishment GOP candidates like Haley, of whom (like us) he cannot stand.

I'm still a little questionable on Trump. I do like the fact that he has taken such a strong stance on immigration, he has been tough on the media and the establishment's worst nightmare. The reason Cruz is my top choice right now, I am just hesitant on Trump's position on social issues such as abortion or gay "rights." Cruz has been consistent on those issues, Trump usually has tried to shove them to the back of the line when interviewed about them. I do believe he is pro-life as he says. I watched the interview with him back in 1999 when he was pro-choice and he heavily condemned abortion even then. I just don't think it's a big priority for him. If he does win the nomination though, he will have no trouble getting my vote. Anything is better than what we have now and anything is better than Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders.

At the end of the day, I just can't figure it out with the establishment. The Republicans win by being Republicans. By being conservatives. Not by trying to cater to Democrats. So many Republican candidates have tried that since Reagan and have lost elections because they try to be moderates instead of conservatives. If they grew a backbone then

[WideRight05]

^ I accidentally clicked post and my comp froze.

To continue from the end:

If they grew a backbone then they would win over many of the voters that stayed home in the 2008 & 2012 elections (an estimated 54 million Christians stayed home because of distrust in Romney) and probably win the whole thing pretty handily. That's how Reagan won it, that's how the Republican party has succeeded. Not when they try to be Democrat-lite. To quote Bobby Jindal, "We already have one Democratic party. We don't need two."

[Demarcus ware]

^ I agree. They have to get people to the polls and stop with trying to run people away that's willing to vote for Cruz or Trump. Do they honestly think that we the people can't see what they are doing? or is it more of they just don't care and are doing what they want? At what point of someone's political career does their pride go away? What i mean is if i'm Ryan and Mcconnell and i hear the things that are being said about me, by as many people that are saying it, i would have enough pride in myself, and in the job i'm doing to fix it. But then again, people keep voting for them so why should they care. Someone needs to grow a spine up there and say hey, we are doing this all wrong.

[TheRealThing]

^ I'm with you man. Haley really hurt herself yesterday. Actually, I have some more additional information on it to get our blood boiling more...

First off, the Spanish version of Nikki Haley's response had some changed words to imply even moreso that the GOP supported amnesty for illegals. The party (at least, the establishment) has given into this whole thing about political correctness and doesn't want to offend people.

Second, something I overlooked at the end, is that Nikki Haley implied that the GOP would "respect the differences in modern families." AKA, the party gives up fighting for traditional marriage. It's not a lost cause. It certainly hasn't been a lost cause in Spain where support for traditional marriage is lower, where not too long ago hundreds of thousands of people marched for traditional marriage and legislation was brought up to fight it (Spain redefined marriage in 2005) in the so-called most LGBT friendly country in the world.

As Demarcus Ware mentioned, right now 20% of Democrats are willing to vote for Trump. I was shocked yesterday when a close friend of mine (more like a Jim Webb type Democrat) expressed interest in voting for Trump should he win this nomination. He's tired of this country going the direction it is with political correctness and the like and agrees that our society is going down the tubes fast. He is watching Trump to see how he tears into some of the establishment GOP candidates like Haley, of whom (like us) he cannot stand. SNIP:

Seriously? I completely missed that because by that point I had had more than I could stand. Nikki looked like a rabid ventriloquist, I've never seen somebody who talks without moving their mouth like that before. And those neon-white teeth just made her look all the more weird.

If the GOP has decided to embrace homosexuality I'm out. And they can put their 'positive' message, (I just heard the talking point used again this morning as one time Ben Carson supporters were applying it to their new candidate of choice, Ted Cruz) and the rest of their liberal ideology into the nearest trash receptacle. The establishment have been saying that the GOP would have to evolve or die and it would seem that has become agenda item number one, as recent covert activities evidently belie their commitment to, evolve or die trying. :igiveup:

[Demarcus ware]

I just seen that CBS brought Bob Schieffer out of retirement to discuss politics in this election. He said it's unbelievable how the GOP doesn't get why voters are angry and instead of capitalizing on it, they are imploding. He also says, he can't believe the Dems can't get someone better to run for president. He says he has taken Trump seriously from day one because of the way everyone is so angry toward this government right now, and that everyone better be taking him serious from here on out. That he is just saying what everyone in the country is thinking. Pretty interesting.

[TheRealThing]

I just seen that CBS brought Bob Schieffer out of retirement to discuss politics in this election. He said it's unbelievable how the GOP doesn't get why voters are angry and instead of capitalizing on it, they are imploding. He also says, he can't believe the Dems can't get someone better to run for president. He says he has taken Trump seriously from day one because of the way everyone is so angry toward this government right now, and that everyone better be taking him serious from here on out. That he is just saying what everyone in the country is thinking. Pretty interesting.

Still though, it makes you wonder what the heck is the problem with Republican leadership. If we don't get this mess straightened out this goround, the US maybe toast.