[nky]

^ I think Mustang was referring to companies like Johnson and Johnson(net profit margin 14.87 last year) and Procter and Gamble(16% of revenue in 2011)

What industries are permitted to have profits and which ones can't?

[vector]

^ I think Mustang was referring to companies like Johnson and Johnson(net profit margin 14.87 last year) and Procter and Gamble(16% of revenue in 2011)

What industries are permitted to have profits and which ones can't?

ANYBODY CAN MAKE A PROFIT BUT HOW MUCH IS TO MUCH
you will have to see a doctor or just drop dead in your lifetime
you got a choice if you want to buy somebody's product

15% PROFIT IS A PRETTY GOOD RETURN

[SKINNYPIG]

ANYBODY CAN MAKE A PROFIT BUT HOW MUCH IS TO MUCH
you will have to see a doctor or just drop dead in your lifetime
you got a choice if you want to buy somebody's product

15% PROFIT IS A PRETTY GOOD RETURN

"Free" Markets should determine profits.

We have absolutely no business determining the profits of private business.

A better question for the day would be...How much of our private property being confiscated by government (to be distributed to others) is too much?

[vector]

"Free" Markets should determine profits.

We have absolutely no business determining the profits of private business.

A better question for the day would be...How much of our private property being confiscated by government (to be distributed to others) is too much?

so if the power company want's to raise there rates to whatever they
want to you would be allright with it hint free market

[SKINNYPIG]

so if the power company want's to raise there rates to whatever they
want to you would be allright with it hint free market

Certainly. They would not price themselves out of business.

I think Bud Light is priced too high, I still drink 4 or 5 a week though. Goes down real good while mowing the yard. If it goes too high I'll go with Millwaukee's Best.

[TheRealThing]

so if the power company want's to raise there rates to whatever they
want to you would be allright with it hint free market

Why don't you just post under your own avatar vector? You know better than this crap. Utilities routinely appear before regulatory committees to justify the requirement for and ask permission to raise rates and they are not always granted permission. All rate increases that a utility company plans to make must be approved by the federal government. If the government approves the increase, it avoids sending a steep increase to customers by setting down a schedule describing how quickly the rate can escalate. The Code of Federal Regulations states that the government will not intervene in rate increases if the utility company is raising rates out of necessity. These necessities include costs for opening "new facilities", one of your favorites, converting coal fired units to gas fired and remaining competitive with other utility companies.

This should be enough for all you regulation mongers until you raise enough money to move to Stalingrad.

[SKINNYPIG]

There's something VERY ODD about this vector dude/gal. It's like he/she is intentionally typing and spelling in a certain way, as a way to hide something. Odd verbage indeed.

[nky]

so if the power company wand's to raise there rates to whatever they
want to you would be all right with it hint free market

poor example since they are not public utilities are regulated by both state and federal agencies.

[vector]

Why don't you just post under your own avatar vector? You know better than this crap. Utilities routinely appear before regulatory committees to justify the requirement for and ask permission to raise rates and they are not always granted permission. All rate increases that a utility company plans to make must be approved by the federal government. If the government approves the increase, it avoids sending a steep increase to customers by setting down a schedule describing how quickly the rate can escalate. The Code of Federal Regulations states that the government will not intervene in rate increases if the utility company is raising rates out of necessity. These necessities include costs for opening "new facilities", one of your favorites, converting coal fired units to gas fired and remaining competitive with other utility companies.

This should be enough for all you regulation mongers until you raise enough money to move to Stalingrad.

but they never get what they ask for they have to open there books
to show why they need the price increase is there profit 15%? i bet
they would like it to be 15%

[nky]

So the government should regulate the profits of any industry/corporation that they want? They should but a cap on the % of profits a company can make?

[nky]

Apple has a 5 year average net profit margin of 20.7% should the government go in and take some of that? last quarter they had a 45.7% gross profit margin. Is that to much?

[vector]

Apple has a 5 year average net profit margin of 20.7% should the government go in and take some of that? last quarter they had a 45.7% gross profit margin. Is that to much?

you don't have to buy a apple product but DA you will have to see
a doctor

[TheRealThing]

but they never get what they ask for they have to open there books
to show why they need the price increase is there profit 15%? i bet
they would like it to be 15%

That utilities crowd are a bunch of dirty profiteers alright. Still, the AC feels pretty good during these 100 degree days. Then there are those good cold drinks in the fridge, and my favorite all time TV shows, on FOX of course. :biggrin:

[nky]

you don't have to buy a apple product but DA you will have to see
a doctor

who's DA?
and if I don't have healthcare insurance I can't see a doctor?

[vector]

QUOTE=nky;1460523]who's DA?
and if I don't have healthcare insurance I can't see a doctor?[/QUOTE]

yes you can go to emergency room and they will stablize you ronald reagan signed that bill then the hospital and doctor pass's the cost to
people who have insurance hint premiums go up obamacare is trying to
get more people in buying insurance so the preimums will not raise so
fast what are the republicans ideal?

[nky]

QUOTE=nky;1460523]who's DA?
and if I don't have health care insurance I can't see a doctor?

I don't have to go to the ER. I can go to any doctor and pay cash for services rendered. Many adults without health insurance choose to pay out of pocket/self insured. Some doctors are beginning to create their own "insurance" or membership into their practice

As long as America continues to lead in medical research/medical tools and devices/medical technologies the cost of health insurance will continue to go up no matter the political party. Ask your doctor if he upgrades his medical devices across his office on a regular basis

[TheRealVille]

I don't have to go to the ER. I can go to any doctor and pay cash for services rendered. Many adults without health insurance choose to pay out of pocket/self insured. Some doctors are beginning to create their own "insurance" or membership into their practice

As long as America continues to lead in medical research/medical tools and devices/medical technologies the cost of health insurance will continue to go up no matter the political party. Ask your doctor if he upgrades his medical devices across his office on a regular basis

Can you pay for the 250K treatment for a snakebite that a hospital charged a guy I saw on WSAZ in Huntington? Can you pay the 269.00 the pikeville hospital charged my insurance for a bottle of water I asked for, before going in for a procedure? This is why we need reform, the medical providers are raping America.

[nky]

Can you pay for the 250K treatment for a snakebite that a hospital charged a guy I saw on WSAZ in Huntington? Can you pay the 269.00 the pickerel hospital charged my insurance for a bottle of water I asked for, before going in for a procedure? This is why we need reform, the medical providers are raping America.

It's a risk if you a a major illness most of those providers have a "cash" price and an insurance price.

[TheRealVille]

It's a risk if you a a major illness most of those providers have a "cash" price and an insurance price.

So they are the ones raping the insurance providers, and cutting their profits down?

[TheRealThing]

QUOTE=nky;1460523]who's DA?
and if I don't have healthcare insurance I can't see a doctor?

yes you can go to emergency room and they will stablize you ronald reagan signed that bill then the hospital and doctor pass's the cost to
people who have insurance hint premiums go up obamacare is trying to
get more people in buying insurance so the preimums will not raise so
fast what are the republicans ideal?[/QUOTE]



How is this in any way different from what is coming to us via ObamaCare? Those who pay now will continue to pay then. And those who do not pay now won't pay under ObamaCare either. More people will NOT be buying insurance. Once a slug, always a slug. In fact, we're talking about adding nearly 40 million people to the insurance rolls who don't pay health insurance premiums. Health care will go up because the government will force John Q Public to pay for everybody's health care using all the various tax schemes associated with the Affordable Care Act.

[vector]

yes you can go to emergency room and they will stablize you ronald reagan signed that bill then the hospital and doctor pass's the cost to
people who have insurance hint premiums go up obamacare is trying to
get more people in buying insurance so the preimums will not raise so
fast what are the republicans ideal?

How is this in any way different from what is coming to us via ObamaCare? Those who pay now will continue to pay then. And those who do not pay now won't pay under ObamaCare either. More people will NOT be buying insurance. Once a slug, always a slug. In fact, we're talking about adding nearly 40 million people to the insurance rolls who don't pay health insurance premiums. Health care will go up because the government will force John Q Public to pay for everybody's health care using all the various tax schemes associated with the Affordable Care Act.[/QUOTE]

this law is for people who work minum wage jobs or cannot afford
to pay the full premium and catch the illness before it turns into
something alot costly just like social security the young pay for the
old right

[TheRealThing]

this law is for people who work minum wage jobs or cannot afford
to pay the full premium and catch the illness before it turns into
something alot costly just like social security the young pay for the
old right

Hockey pucks, you know better. It's a way to give more dignity to the welfare crowd. They don't pay taxes, and under ObamaCare they won't pay a health insurance premium.

[vector]

Hockey pucks, you know better. It's a way to give more dignity to the welfare crowd. They don't pay taxes, and under ObamaCare they won't pay a health insurance premium.

where i work i bet there is somewhere 50 to 75 that have no health insurance contractors it's in every industry the poor already have medicare
i don't know wich world you live in but you need to get out a little more

[TheRealVille]

Hockey pucks, you know better. It's a way to give more dignity to the welfare crowd. They don't pay taxes, and under ObamaCare they won't pay a health insurance premium.

This is BS, and you know it.

[Beetle01]

I see you and tvtimeout are vying for the 'most indoctrinated of the year' award. So unless and until, you actually get out in the real world and factually learn how things really work, you probably should post less and read more. That's not to say you can't repeat your favorite libertarian talking points. :biggrin:

I work in an ER that sees about 200-300 patients a day. I keep seeing you refer to many of these patients who come in with no Health Insurance as "slugs" or "sluggards". Many, of those are children. 25% of the uninsured in this country are Children. Some have conditions they will have all their lives, you know what happens when they get older and get a job and get on their own insurance, they get nailed with pre-existing conditions and then have to pay out of pocket for the rest of their lives. I know a girl that pays over 800 bucks a month for a genetic disorder, for her Meds alone.


The sluggards and non workers you keep referring to as justification to hate on this bill, make of a very small % of the 38million number you referenced.

I see children come in all the time who end up getting admitted, stay for days and weeks, and are back time and time again because they have no insurance. Their parents work full time, but have no insurance through their jobs and make barely enough money, or even not enough to scrape by.

I've seen cases where if the child was just able to follow up for a pediatrician regularly, and get treatment on a regular basis there would be no need for hospitalization.

Instead, they stay at the hospital, the hospital eats the costs of all the bills, as well as the MD's, Radiologists, and w/e other specialist sees them.

You know where this cost is transferred to? You and me. We are insured, so the hospital will charge us tons more for our care, thus causing an increase in premiums.

Like I've stated, WE ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR IT. This will decrease our overall cost. Will it eat into the profits of the handful of Insurance companies? Sure, who cares.

Who here with insurance has Anthem Blue Cross/Blue Shield?

You know why you have Anthem? Because they have rights to this area, there is no competition market for insurance. Like I said, it is a monopoly by the handful of companies that control the market. They split up market share to keep prices high. We as consumers are getting hit from 2 sides. The increased cost from the hospitals for the uninsured, and the money hungry, greedy, Insurance companies.

If you do have something other than Anthem in this area, it's because of 1 of 2 reasons.

1. It is a more local smaller insurance company. 2. Your parent company is from a different region and that deal was struck with another Insurance company. UPS would be a good example.

However, 95% of your Hospitals, Factories, Refineries, Rail Road, all are Anthem. Which are your biggest employers.

[Hoot Gibson]

ObamaCare is just another way for liberals to legally buy votes of those unwilling to work and pay their own way in life.

[TheRealThing]

This is BS, and you know it.

I will trust my own judgement on the matter, if it's all the same to you. People who can afford health insurance, have it right now. People who cannot afford it, don't have health insurance right now. Since ObamaCare has been upheld by the court, those two groups of people will remain exactly the same with one notable exception. YOU, will pay more for your policy, which won't be worth a whole lot more than the paper it's written on, while those who pay nothing will enjoy at least as good of treatment as you get and maybe somewhat better. They'll have an insurance policy just like you do, even though they won't be required to pay anything for it because----IT'S WELFARE and we can't afford it. We are overburdened by an unfair tax load as it is.

[TheRealThing]

I work in an ER that sees about 200-300 patients a day. I keep seeing you refer to many of these patients who come in with no Health Insurance as "slugs" or "sluggards". Many, of those are children. 25% of the uninsured in this country are Children. Some have conditions they will have all their lives, you know what happens when they get older and get a job and get on their own insurance, they get nailed with pre-existing conditions and then have to pay out of pocket for the rest of their lives. I know a girl that pays over 800 bucks a month for a genetic disorder, for her Meds alone.


The sluggards and non workers you keep referring to as justification to hate on this bill, make of a very small % of the 38million number you referenced.

I see children come in all the time who end up getting admitted, stay for days and weeks, and are back time and time again because they have no insurance. Their parents work full time, but have no insurance through their jobs and make barely enough money, or even not enough to scrape by.

I've seen cases where if the child was just able to follow up for a pediatrician regularly, and get treatment on a regular basis there would be no need for hospitalization.

Instead, they stay at the hospital, the hospital eats the costs of all the bills, as well as the MD's, Radiologists, and w/e other specialist sees them.

You know where this cost is transferred to? You and me. We are insured, so the hospital will charge us tons more for our care, thus causing an increase in premiums.

Like I've stated, WE ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR IT. This will decrease our overall cost. Will it eat into the profits of the handful of Insurance companies? Sure, who cares.

Who here with insurance has Anthem Blue Cross/Blue Shield?

You know why you have Anthem? Because they have rights to this area, there is no competition market for insurance. Like I said, it is a monopoly by the handful of companies that control the market. They split up market share to keep prices high. We as consumers are getting hit from 2 sides. The increased cost from the hospitals for the uninsured, and the money hungry, greedy, Insurance companies.

If you do have something other than Anthem in this area, it's because of 1 of 2 reasons.

1. It is a more local smaller insurance company. 2. Your parent company is from a different region and that deal was struck with another Insurance company. UPS would be a good example.

However, 95% of your Hospitals, Factories, Refineries, Rail Road, all are Anthem. Which are your biggest employers.

Yeah, and my tax dollars likely paid a portion of the cost to bring them into this world and my tax dollars likely pay for their substance en toto already. Plus, my tax dollars are paying for your wages and the meds they get while they are there in the ER, I'm already paying my fair share if you ask me. And FWIW, though unfortunate for the little ones, slugs have progeny too.

[TheRealThing]

ObamaCare is just another way for liberals to legally buy votes of those unwilling to work and pay their own way in life.

Governmental control of our daily lives. It's a total power grab and it's unprecedented in our country. What did the Star Wars clip say, "and that's the way democracy ends, to thunderous applause"

[Hoot Gibson]

There's something VERY ODD about this vector dude/gal. It's like he/she is intentionally typing and spelling in a certain way, as a way to hide something. Odd verbage indeed.

Exactly. There is something strange about somebody who spends so much time online and still inserts apostrophes to form plural nouns. I think that vector is just trying to stay in character to make it more difficult for anybody to connect him to another screen name. In all of the years that I worked in the mining industry, I never met a coal miner as liberal as vector - and that includes all of the miners who I know in Floyd County. nicker: