[TheRealThing]

Pence, by all accounts another man of faith, swallowed hard and did it for a while Old School Hound. I will always, always believe he thought Trump had no chance of winning in 2016, that he signed on to just raise his national profile for possible future runs.  I’m sure the last four years have been torturous for him. Do you notice how he has totally distanced himself from what Trump is throwing out there now? If he really believed it, he would be screaming bloody murder right alongside him. But instead he has mostly disappeared from the national view, and when he does get a question about it, he just gives a generic response.  The Trumpers on here refuse to address that because they know it’s true.

  Now, TRT is gonna give you some hell over your Planned Parenthood response, but I agree with you 100%. I have no right as a man to tell some woman I don’t even know what she can or can’t do with her body. Sure, I wish abortions didn’t happen, but as a moral issue it should just be between those involved.  I find most to be so hypocritical on this issue anyway. I guarantee you, 75% of them, if their 14 or 15 year-old daughter came home pregnant, would ‘temporarily’ forgo their standards.

Well you've got just about everything else wrong you might as well be wrong about Pence too, right?

What I said was that Planned Parenthood provides abortions. And the taxpayer who're supposedly represented by government officials sworn to do their bidding, should not be forced to pay for abortions. Planned Parenthood gets funding from the federal government. Nor are they big on honesty where it comes to these girl's later dealings, with regard to the guilt that post abortion realities will undoubtedly bring. Which BTW causes great psychological damage for all involved. Suicides among teens to early 20's, are the 2nd leading cause of death for that age group. Maybe if the US educational system did less to push sex education starting in grade school, and more to promote abstinence among the 14 or 15 year old girls of your mention, they wouldn't get pregnant in the first place.

Men have never tried to tell women what to do with their bodies, as you put it. That is the rationale the left have used to take up their fight to promote sex without consequence. But it is less than weak from the moral/parental standpoint. At any rate here again, what the left could never have gotten through the legislatures of this land, they used the court system to effectively end-run around those legislatures and the will of the people. And besides bringing about the Lord's own judgment, there are the obvious social problems we all have to deal with. In the past fathers were expected to raise their own children. In our day a very unhealthy ratio of fathers just skip out (repeatedly) with no consequence, leaving their own just burden to be shouldered instead by already strapped taxpayers. That is when the child isn't aborted and thrown into the trash.

The left's argument would be that conservatives are hard hearted and don't want to help the helpless. The hard hearted in fact, are the fathers who cavalier about creating social devastation by producing uncared for offspring. A proper introduction to the Lord would alleviate the whole unsavory mess.

I recognize the fact that the culture war on many fronts has already been lost in the court, but that doesn't make it any more the right. In other words men ought not make law which contradicts God's Word about moral issues. Issues like abortion and homosexuality are clearly dealt with and condemned in Scripture. These issues have never been up for debate. But just as Satan came along at the beginning and rationalized with Eve to eat of the forbidden fruit, so has he been actively engaged in framing the moral debate among men across time. When God says He is the Judge, we should be assured that the crooked will in fact be made straight ultimately, no matter what ill advised law man may write.

Thus our government, our court system and the elective process, are true reflections of our own failings. The problem has never been between Democrats and Republicans, it is rather the point where the conflict between good and evil manifests itself in the public square.