[vector#1]

Aww man, I was hoping you were showing some guts today.   But another post filled with archaic philosophy, LBJ, and Greece...just silliness.  

Your general misconceptions are completely off on this subject.  Govt. funded childcare would be for working American families.  You don't want to encourage working families. 

If you hate welfare, wouldn't you support childcare that would get Americans into the workforce by keeping their children and with jobs of keeping children?  

Oh boy, I look forward to the day when Joe Biden eases the taxes on Social Security recipients.    

If I worked for the unemployment office, why would I be for a bill like this?  

Who keeps Mommy and Daddy's kids while both are working?  Since the 1950s the birthrate has gone down by half.  If we want Americans to have children, we have to make it possible.

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I don't understand the aversion to spending money on Americans for basic needs: education, healthcare, food. etc.   It's not like people are getting wealthy on THESE govt. handouts...some are.

You would think that someone who likes to quote Scripture all of the time would also believe in being more generous to the less fortunate.

1 John 3:17-18

But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him? Little children, let us not love in word or talk but in deed and in truth.

Matthew 6:1-4

“Beware of practicing your righteousness before other people in order to be seen by them, for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven. “Thus, when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

Deuteronomy 15:7-8

“If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be

Deuteronomy 15:11

For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’

In addition to paying taxes, do you regularly give money to the Church to help the poor there Outsider?

My position is if government truly wants separation of Church and State, then the pendulum should swing both ways. Helping the poor used to be the purview of the Church, not government. Benevolence in this land used to be the mission of the Church until government took it over. And frankly it is likely that the Church's influence Centuries and decades ago is what motivated those in government circles to take on the role of distributing commodities and certain other helps. But now it's all gotten out of hand. Now Nancy Pelosi says people shouldn't feel pushed to have to work. Maybe they were meant to be artists and loll away their days on more whimsical pursuits?

You and Cardfan and vector will have my respect when you get your checkbooks out and lead by example, rather than misapplying Scripture. But the slurring of truth where it comes to the poor certainly does not end there. And to demonstrate the point here is another applicable Bible verse. 1 Tim 5:8  "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel."

As I said the able bodied are to work. And how you got that I oppose helping those who actually need help due to physical limitations or ailments or sudden loss of income and etc. is beyond me. But that is the way with the liberal argument. Failing the truth you guys always just start making stuff up. In any case your argument is not with me, it is with the correct function of US government in the historical sense that you cannot seem to latch onto correctly. And then as you just revealed, you have a problem in understanding the role of the Lord's Church. You don't have to worry, Christians will give.

Past that would be the disparity between us on what the limits of helping the poor ought to be. Not everybody who gets a free ride, deserves a free ride. Feed the hungry yes. Get them in out of the weather yes. Clothe them yes. Encourage them to get a job yes. But the cell phones and beer and cigarette money? Not so much. Nor this idea that income equality is a right of US citizenship. And certainly not a guaranteed minimum national income.

I'll give you an example and I know this first hand. This town has government sponsored housing for the poor. The government sees to it that their dependents get stimulus checks and income tax returns and much more. When the stimulus comes the tenets of government housing go out and buy stuff like 70" big screens and new XBoxes and etc. Every once in awhile these transients just up and vanish because for whatever reason, they just walk off and leave it all sitting in their apartment. The rules are that everything they leave MUST go into the dumpster. No exceptions. Can't be used by the next tenet, and can't be sold, and can't go home with anybody. It's the dumpster only. Now that's my definition of tax dollar waste. You guys tell about 5 percent of the whole story.

Tell you what Commrade TRT I will put my tax payments up against yours ant time you want and you also Commrade Quooter

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

I concur. Embarrassing to rank dead last on this.  Also, as many of you know, we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't offer universal healthcare for its citizens.  For a nation that is the wealthiest on the planet, America needs to do much better in its generosity towards its workers and it citizens. Most of the wealth in this country is hoarded by a miniscule percentage of the populace.

Be more generous with your own money. Most of the wealth in this country is generated by a small percentage of Americans who work very hard and risk their own money through investments. Most of the rest in this country scheme to get their hands on wealth that they played no part in creating and for which they risked nothing. Socialists really do make me sick. The federal government has no moral right to seize and redistribute wealth to buy votes of individuals such as you and Twin Ticks.

Who by the way Quooter get it off the backbone of the workers have you every read your post and see  how stupid you sound

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

I concur. Embarrassing to rank dead last on this.  Also, as many of you know, we are the only industrialized nation that doesn't offer universal healthcare for its citizens.  For a nation that is the wealthiest on the planet, America needs to do much better in its generosity towards its workers and it citizens. Most of the wealth in this country is hoarded by a miniscule percentage of the populace.

Be more generous with your own money. Most of the wealth in this country is generated by a small percentage of Americans who work very hard and risk their own money through investments. Most of the rest in this country scheme to get their hands on wealth that they played no part in creating and for which they risked nothing. Socialists really do make me sick. The federal government has no moral right to seize and redistribute wealth to buy votes of individuals such as you and Twin Ticks.

But it's all right as long as you get that 1.2 trillion every year Commrade Quooter

When I am in the mood to read truly stupid stuff, I read your posts, Twin Ticks. Most of the time I just ignore them. Get a job, parasite.

You need to back up and get that check Commrade Quooter I have worked enough I was smart with my money and I hope the interest rates do go up make more money you Russian parasite