[RunItUpTheGut]

Getting closer to november....

[SKINNYPIG]

Really, how did the war with Iraq go over...why where we there again?

Everyone talks about Solundra (sp) losing 100 million dollars... how about Dick Cheney losing 500 million dollars in 30 seconds with Hollibertan (sp).

Obama gets credit for the bailouts...but if memory serves didn't Bush do the first bailouts?

Hold it just a minute! Now I'm confused. Who's running for President? Bush vs Obama, Bush vs Clinton, Clinton vs Obama??? Who's running?

[SKINNYPIG]

Hold it just a minute! Now I'm confused. Who's running for President? Bush vs Obama, Bush vs Clinton, Clinton vs Obama??? Who's running?

Whew! I think I figured it out. It's Cheney vs Bush. Right?

[TheRealThing]

Getting closer to november....

One of Paul Ryan's best lines in his speech last night went like this---"President Obama is the kind of politician who puts promises on the record and then calls that the record." So true, LOL. But it's much worse than that. Americans are subjected to so much democrat generated misinformation on a vast spectrum of issues. Everything imaginable, they specialize in The character assassination of their republican counterparts, but it doesn't end there. They distort the republican record, redefining their intentions into something evil and self serving. Not only do they redefine intentions, they redefine their record. Living up to Ryan's definition of the president, Obama liked Elisabeth Warren's ideas of socialism so much he ran with one of them recently and got burned for it. That being one of Warren's Orwellian rants in which she declared that small business owners owe their success to the state. Of course Obama tweeked her ideas just a bit, putting them through the California version of the social justice spin cycle, and delivered the now famous "You didn't build that, somebody else made that happen" speech.

Obama pulled the same borderline plagiaristic shenanigan earlier this year when he had the gaul to say he and Ronald Reagan were two peas in a pod. And their legislative programs were exactly the same. Listen folks, they are as far apart as the east is from the west. Ronald Reagan's record shines like a super nova compared to the abysmal Obama record. Read More-- http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/201...and-obama/

The point is, there is such a barrage of propaganda coming at the common man these days it's scary. The one two punch of the dems and the main stream media combine to brainwash unwary citizens into accepting a manufactured line of rationale for political posturing designed to give the left an advantage in getting the people they want into office. The congress of the United States is no better. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi rarely speak the truth and have mischaracterized the republicans as obstructionists. I will admit they are trying to slow down the liberal lunge over the cliff. The dems have lemming syndrome, if one goes off they will all follow, Nancy will have that same plastered smile on her face as she takes the plunge.

This is all done to create confusion among the voters and reduce their confidence level due to fear of what may be coming. It's accomplished in much the same way one finds himself temporarily gridlocked when driving somewhere maybe a little unfamiliar. You're multitasking, talking about the football game you are about to attend, when from out of the back seat you hear, "aren't we supposed to turn here?" For a moment you freeze while you try to gather your thoughts, prior to the comment you felt like you knew where you were going, do I turn or not? Same thing with propaganda, only with an election, the idea is to keep the doubt causing fabrications coming at the voter 24/7. Ideally, the dems would like to unleash their Pièce de résistance, at just the right time prior to the actual vote. Early enough to spread the lie, but, not quite enough time for Romney to debunk it, and get out the real truth.

[vector]

One of Paul Ryan's best lines in his speech last night went like this---"President Obama is the kind of politician who puts promises on the record and then calls that the record." So true, LOL. But it's much worse than that. Americans are subjected to so much democrat generated misinformation on a vast spectrum of issues. Everything imaginable, they specialize in The character assassination of their republican counterparts, but it doesn't end there. They distort the republican record, redefining their intentions into something evil and self serving. Not only do they redefine intentions, they redefine their record. Living up to Ryan's definition of the president, Obama liked Elisabeth Warren's ideas of socialism so much he ran with one of them recently and got burned for it. That being one of Warren's Orwellian rants in which she declared that small business owners owe their success to the state. Of course Obama tweeked her ideas just a bit, putting them through the California version of the social justice spin cycle, and delivered the now famous "You didn't build that, somebody else made that happen" speech.

Obama pulled the same borderline plagiaristic shenanigan earlier this year when he had the gaul to say he and Ronald Reagan were two peas in a pod. And their legislative programs were exactly the same. Listen folks, they are as far apart as the east is from the west. Ronald Reagan's record shines like a super nova compared to the abysmal Obama record. Read More-- http://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/201...and-obama/

The point is, there is such a barrage of propaganda coming at the common man these days it's scary. The one two punch of the dems and the main stream media combine to brainwash unwary citizens into accepting a manufactured line of rationale for political posturing designed to give the left an advantage in getting the people they want into office. The congress of the United States is no better. Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi rarely speak the truth and have mischaracterized the republicans as obstructionists. I will admit they are trying to slow down the liberal lunge over the cliff. The dems have lemming syndrome, if one goes off they will all follow, Nancy will have that same plastered smile on her face as she takes the plunge.

This is all done to create confusion among the voters and reduce their confidence level due to fear of what may be coming. It's accomplished in much the same way one finds himself temporarily gridlocked when driving somewhere maybe a little unfamiliar. You're multitasking, talking about the football game you are about to attend, when from out of the back seat you hear, "aren't we supposed to turn here?" For a moment you freeze while you try to gather your thoughts, prior to the comment you felt like you knew where you were going, do I turn or not? Same thing with propaganda, only with an election, the idea is to keep the doubt causing fabrications coming at the voter 24/7. Ideally, the dems would like to unleash their Pièce de résistance, at just the right time prior to the actual vote. Early enough to spread the lie, but, not quite enough time for Romney to debunk it, and get out the real truth.

now this is what your boy ryan record is
elected for congress in 1998
voted for both of bush 2 tax cut's cost about 4 to 5 trillon still counting
voted for both wars cost somewhere 3 to 4 trillon and still counting
voted for the medicare advantage don't know what the cost is
voted for tarp cost somehwere in the neighorhood 1 trillon
voted for the auto bailouts
voted against obamas stimuls but took the money then said he was sorry
now just rember we borrowed all this money

[Hoot Gibson]

Believe me your memory, your math and your spelling has let you down. But yes, Bush did the first round of bailouts

Hey, give the guy a break. It is hard to look up the spelling of a word when your guesses are not even close. They must have stopped teaching phonics in some schools. nicker:

[4_real]

:lame: and clueless.

Nope! I dont watch fox news so that gives me a leg up on you

One year of Obama is more damaging than eight years of Bush.

tell that to the grieving mothers of those boys and girls who lost their lives in a war we had no business being in

If we could pay our bills we wouldn't have to borrow .40 cents of every dollar we spend. We owe 16 trillion right now, we can't pay that back without cutting spending which, Obama and the dems are not willing to do. How much worse will our financial situation be 4 years from now when we owe 22.5 trillion? Obama will have more than doubled our national debt from the 2008 high water mark which took 236 years, (our nation's total lifetime) to accumulate. Before Obama 10.5 trillion, after Obama, 22.5 trillion (if we're lucky), and you're saying Bush drove us in the dirt?

Romney has demonstrated beyond question that he can balance a budget with his record of public service as the governor of Massachusetts. They were 3 billion in debt when he took office and they were totally rolling in dough when he left. The only thing Obama ever balanced was a set of dope scales at Occidental.

Being a governor of a state is impressive, but it is far from being the president of the united states..its very easy to be a monday morning quarterback. also we all know President Obama cant do a thing w.o congress approval..so spread the blame around, dont just blame him..


PS.. i did not vote for obama last time and i probably wont this time, im just stateing some facts..you ppl is wats wrong with this country now, always want to point fingers instead of actually doing something to help..stop playing politics and play "country"

[4_real]

Hey, give the guy a break. It is hard to look up the spelling of a word when your guesses are not even close. They must have stopped teaching phonics in some schools. nicker:

stop trying to be an English teacher..

[Hoot Gibson]

stop trying to be an English teacher..

Go away, clone. Why can't any of you spell or punctuate a sentence? I have always been taught that copies are never as good as the original and if you start with a defective original, quality degrades quickly.

[4_real]

^ tell that to someone who cares

[Hoot Gibson]

^ tell that to someone who cares

Clever come back. I think that you must be the smartest clone on here. Don't be too flattered, in any family of lemmings, one will be smarter than their siblings, but a smart lemming is still a lemming and lemmings are not smart critters. nicker:

[4_real]

oh kind sir, the only lemming here is you. i'm a firm believer if bill oriely and hannity jumped, your torso and legs would have to follow

[TheRealThing]

Nope! I dont watch fox news so that gives me a leg up on you


tell that to the grieving mothers of those boys and girls who lost their lives in a war we had no business being in


Being a governor of a state is impressive, but it is far from being the president of the united states..its very easy to be a monday morning quarterback. also we all know President Obama cant do a thing w.o congress approval..so spread the blame around, dont just blame him..


PS.. i did not vote for obama last time and i probably wont this time, im just stateing some facts..you ppl is wats wrong with this country now, always want to point fingers instead of actually doing something to help..stop playing politics and play "country"

And obviously being the president isn't nearly as profound as a community organizer. :eyeroll:

[4_real]

nice use of sarcasm! 0.o

[vector]

If we could pay our bills we wouldn't have to borrow .40 cents of every dollar we spend. We owe 16 trillion right now, we can't pay that back without cutting spending which, Obama and the dems are not willing to do. How much worse will our financial situation be 4 years from now when we owe 22.5 trillion? Obama will have more than doubled our national debt from the 2008 high water mark which took 236 years, (our nation's total lifetime) to accumulate. Before Obama 10.5 trillion, after Obama, 22.5 trillion (if we're lucky), and you're saying Bush drove us in the dirt?

Romney has demonstrated beyond question that he can balance a budget with his record of public service as the governor of Massachusetts. They were 3 billion in debt when he took office and they were totally rolling in dough when he left. The only thing Obama ever balanced was a set of dope scales at Occidental.

now this is how romney balanced mass budget

Romney refused to sign an anti-tax pledge put forth by Grover Norquist's
Americans for Tax Reform while campaigning for office.[5] In 2002, Romney
presented a plan to balance the Massachusetts budget without raising taxes.[2][6][7]

Upon entering office, Romney faced a $3 billion deficit.
Facing an immediate fiscal shortfall, the governor asked
the state legislature for emergency powers to make "9C authority"
cuts to the fiscal year 2003 budget. (Massachusetts' fiscal year Y
runs from July 1 of year Y-1 to June 30 of Y.) Romney cut spending
and restructured state government.[8] Romney, in concert with the
legislature, doubled fees for court filings, professional regulations,
marriage licenses and firearm licenses, increased fees for many other
state licenses and services as well as creating new fees. In all 33
new fees were created and 57 fees were increased, including some that
had not been adjusted in over a decade. Some of these were service fees,
such as charging businesses more to put up signs. Opponents said the
reliance on fees imposed a hardship on those who could least afford them.[9]
The state of Massachusetts thereby raised $501 million in new income in
Romneys' first year, more than any other state in the nation
(New York was second with $367 million.) Nine other states raised
fees and fines by more than $100 million).[10][11] Romney also
increased a state gasoline special fee, dedicated towards cleanup
of contamination around underground fuel storage tanks. An increase
in two cents per gallon, generated about $60 million per year in
additional revenue.[3] This made for a total effective state gasoline
tax of 23.5 cents per gallon,[3] compared with the national average of
28.6 cents per gallon.[12]

Romney also implemented a "New Market Tax Credit"[13] and extended the
"Investment Tax Credit" during 2003.[14]

The capital gains tax revenue from previously enacted
capital gains tax increase reduced the deficit by $1.3 billion.
Romney approved $128 million in tax changes and raised another
$181 million in additional business taxes in the next two years;
businesses called these changes tax increases, but Romney defended
them as the elimination of "loopholes".[3][15][16][17] Specific
changes and 'loophole' closures included preventing corporations
from assigning income from "intangible" assets such as trademarks
to low-tax states, preventing some corporations from avoiding taxes
through paper restructurings, equalizing the rate paid by businesses
that only traded securities to that of other businesses, applying sales
taxes to goods bought and modified out of state before being brought in-state,
eliminating a tax break of the printing of huge store catalogs, and equalizing
sales tax for packaged software products downloaded over the Internet to that
of product CDs bought in a store.[15][18

now since romney has signed Grover Norquist's anti tax pledge
he has put himself in a corner
but if he gets elected i believe he will move to the middle and
raise revenue since he had to raise taxs when he was gov
but rember mass has a balance budget amendent
now rember he is the father of obamacare

[Hoot Gibson]

now this is how romney balanced mass budget

Romney refused to sign an anti-tax pledge put forth by Grover Norquist's
Americans for Tax Reform while campaigning for office.[5] In 2002, Romney
presented a plan to balance the Massachusetts budget without raising taxes.[2][6][7]

Upon entering office, Romney faced a $3 billion deficit.
Facing an immediate fiscal shortfall, the governor asked
the state legislature for emergency powers to make "9C authority"
cuts to the fiscal year 2003 budget. (Massachusetts' fiscal year Y
runs from July 1 of year Y-1 to June 30 of Y.) Romney cut spending
and restructured state government.[8] Romney, in concert with the
legislature, doubled fees for court filings, professional regulations,
marriage licenses and firearm licenses, increased fees for many other
state licenses and services as well as creating new fees. In all 33
new fees were created and 57 fees were increased, including some that
had not been adjusted in over a decade. Some of these were service fees,
such as charging businesses more to put up signs. Opponents said the
reliance on fees imposed a hardship on those who could least afford them.[9]
The state of Massachusetts thereby raised $501 million in new income in
Romneys' first year, more than any other state in the nation
(New York was second with $367 million.) Nine other states raised
fees and fines by more than $100 million).[10][11] Romney also
increased a state gasoline special fee, dedicated towards cleanup
of contamination around underground fuel storage tanks. An increase
in two cents per gallon, generated about $60 million per year in
additional revenue.[3] This made for a total effective state gasoline
tax of 23.5 cents per gallon,[3] compared with the national average of
28.6 cents per gallon.[12]

Romney also implemented a "New Market Tax Credit"[13] and extended the
"Investment Tax Credit" during 2003.[14]

The capital gains tax revenue from previously enacted
capital gains tax increase reduced the deficit by $1.3 billion.
Romney approved $128 million in tax changes and raised another
$181 million in additional business taxes in the next two years;
businesses called these changes tax increases, but Romney defended
them as the elimination of "loopholes".[3][15][16][17] Specific
changes and 'loophole' closures included preventing corporations
from assigning income from "intangible" assets such as trademarks
to low-tax states, preventing some corporations from avoiding taxes
through paper restructurings, equalizing the rate paid by businesses
that only traded securities to that of other businesses, applying sales
taxes to goods bought and modified out of state before being brought in-state,
eliminating a tax break of the printing of huge store catalogs, and equalizing
sales tax for packaged software products downloaded over the Internet to that
of product CDs bought in a store.[15][18

now since romney has signed Grover Norquist's anti tax pledge
he has put himself in a corner
but if he gets elected i believe he will move to the middle and
raise revenue since he had to raise taxs when he was gov
but rember mass has a balance budget amendent
now rember he is the father of obamacare

I think that is the worst job that you have done as a plagiarist, vector. Are you too lazy to even remove the footnote numbers from the words that you stole?

[TheRealVille]

I think that is the worst job that you have done as a plagiarist, vector. Are you too lazy to even remove the footnote numbers from the words that you stole?

Can't deny what was posted, show all you can do is call him/her out on a copy job? Even if it's copied, address the points.

[vector]

Can't deny what was posted, show all you can do is call him/her out on a copy job? Even if it's copied, address the points.

i'm telling you these guy's don't like the truth :yawn:

[vector]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governorshi...itt_Romney

[TheRealThing]

now this is how romney balanced mass budget

Romney refused to sign an anti-tax pledge put forth by Grover Norquist's
Americans for Tax Reform while campaigning for office.[5] In 2002, Romney
presented a plan to balance the Massachusetts budget without raising taxes.[2][6][7]

Upon entering office, Romney faced a $3 billion deficit.
Facing an immediate fiscal shortfall, the governor asked
the state legislature for emergency powers to make "9C authority"
cuts to the fiscal year 2003 budget. (Massachusetts' fiscal year Y
runs from July 1 of year Y-1 to June 30 of Y.) Romney cut spending
and restructured state government.[8] Romney, in concert with the
legislature, doubled fees for court filings, professional regulations,
marriage licenses and firearm licenses, increased fees for many other
state licenses and services as well as creating new fees. In all 33
new fees were created and 57 fees were increased, including some that
had not been adjusted in over a decade. Some of these were service fees,
such as charging businesses more to put up signs. Opponents said the
reliance on fees imposed a hardship on those who could least afford them.[9]
The state of Massachusetts thereby raised $501 million in new income in
Romneys' first year, more than any other state in the nation
(New York was second with $367 million.) Nine other states raised
fees and fines by more than $100 million).[10][11] Romney also
increased a state gasoline special fee, dedicated towards cleanup
of contamination around underground fuel storage tanks. An increase
in two cents per gallon, generated about $60 million per year in
additional revenue.[3] This made for a total effective state gasoline
tax of 23.5 cents per gallon,[3] compared with the national average of
28.6 cents per gallon.[12]
Romney also implemented a "New Market Tax Credit"[13] and extended the
"Investment Tax Credit" during 2003.[14]

The capital gains tax revenue from previously enacted
capital gains tax increase reduced the deficit by $1.3 billion.
Romney approved $128 million in tax changes and raised another
$181 million in additional business taxes in the next two years;
businesses called these changes tax increases, but Romney defended
them as the elimination of "loopholes".[3][15][16][17] Specific
changes and 'loophole' closures included preventing corporations
from assigning income from "intangible" assets such as trademarks
to low-tax states, preventing some corporations from avoiding taxes
through paper restructurings, equalizing the rate paid by businesses
that only traded securities to that of other businesses, applying sales
taxes to goods bought and modified out of state before being brought in-state,
eliminating a tax break of the printing of huge store catalogs, and equalizing
sales tax for packaged software products downloaded over the Internet to that
of product CDs bought in a store.[15][18

now since romney has signed Grover Norquist's anti tax pledge
he has put himself in a corner
but if he gets elected i believe he will move to the middle and
raise revenue since he had to raise taxs when he was gov
but rember mass has a balance budget amendent
now rember he is the father of obamacare

Here is part of the article you decided to leave out---
"Official state figures said that fiscal 2005 finished with a $594.4 million surplus.[3][24] For fiscal 2006, the surplus was $720.9 million according to official figures.[24] The state's "rainy day fund", more formally known as the Stabilization Fund, was replenished through government consolidation and reform. At the close of fiscal year 2006, the fund enjoyed a $2.155 billion balance.[24]"

BTW, you posted this first---Romney refused to sign an anti-tax pledge put forth by Grover Norquist's
Americans for Tax Reform while campaigning for office.

Then you posted this---now since romney has signed Grover Norquist's anti tax pledge
he has put himself in a corner

Addressing the points good enough to suit you?

[Hoot Gibson]

Can't deny what was posted, show all you can do is call him/her out on a copy job? Even if it's copied, address the points.

I will address whatever I want, RV. None of us are under any obligation to address passages cut and pasted by clones who most likely have not even read what they have posted themselves. There are no liberals posting in this forum who seem willing to think for themselves and post more than a few lines of somebody else's talking points. None of you can make a case for voting for this failure of a president, hence all the cutting and pasting of attacks on the very successful Gov. Romney. The choice in November boils down to one between success and failure.

[TheRealThing]

Can't deny what was posted, show all you can do is call him/her out on a copy job? Even if it's copied, address the points.

What's posted is a glowing endorsement of Romney's fiscal managerial skills. And that is a matter of public record. :biggrin:

[vundy33]

Nope! I dont watch fox news so that gives me a leg up on you


tell that to the grieving mothers of those boys and girls who lost their lives in a war we had no business being in


Being a governor of a state is impressive, but it is far from being the president of the united states..its very easy to be a monday morning quarterback. also we all know President Obama cant do a thing w.o congress approval..so spread the blame around, dont just blame him..


PS.. i did not vote for obama last time and i probably wont this time, im just stateing some facts..you ppl is wats wrong with this country now, always want to point fingers instead of actually doing something to help..stop playing politics and play "country"

How about not putting us all into one group, especially when you're bitching about everyone not spreading the blame around...I am the opposite of what's wrong with this country.

[TheRealThing]

How about not putting us all into one group, especially when you're bitching about everyone not spreading the blame around...I am the opposite of what's wrong with this country.

This attitude is what we get from these guys that don't serve but think they're an authority on national defense.

[vector]

BTW, you posted this first---Romney refused to sign an anti-tax pledge put forth by Grover Norquist's
Americans for Tax Reform while campaigning for office.

Then you posted this---now since romney has signed Grover Norquist's anti tax pledge
he has put himself in a corner

Addressing the points good enough to suit you?

did he sign the pledge or not
he says he will balance the budget with no tax increase good luck

[vundy33]

This attitude is what we get from these guys that don't serve but think they're an authority on national defense.

I wasn't just referring to that, but usually true.

[TheRealThing]

BTW, you posted this first---Romney refused to sign an anti-tax pledge put forth by Grover Norquist's
Americans for Tax Reform while campaigning for office.

Then you posted this---now since romney has signed Grover Norquist's anti tax pledge
he has put himself in a corner

Addressing the points good enough to suit you?

did he sign the pledge or not
he says he will balance the budget with no tax increase good luck

:hilarious: vector, you're the guy that posted the article telling us all about how governor Romney balanced the budget in Mass without raising taxes, and handed them over a 700 million budget surplus when he left 4 years later. When he took office he was facing a 3 billion dollar deficit, remember? The same article says he worked for nothing for all 4 years and left behind a 2.1 billion dollar rainy day fund. And no, your article says he didn't sign the pledge.

[4_real]

How about not putting us all into one group, especially when you're bitching about everyone not spreading the blame around...I am the opposite of what's wrong with this country.

the group im referring to is AMERICANS. and the attitude you just displayed is EXACTLY whats wrong with this country.ONE NATION UNDER GOD...along the way some of us have forgotten that.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Can any of you Kardashianites give us two legitimate reasons why a taxpayer would vote for Kardashian?

[4_real]

^ who is kardashian?