[vector]

A lot of the job gains in the coal industry has come from met coal sold overseas
which is about 2400 since Donald took office Donald has helped the coal industry by
getting permits and going back to the days where MSHA close there eyes but saying there have been 106000 jobs added since Donald took office LOL

[Image: http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/pic...tureid=773]

[Hoot Gibson]

A lot of the job gains in the coal industry has come from met coal sold overseas
which is about 2400 since Donald took office Donald has helped the coal industry by
getting permits and going back to the days where MSHA close there eyes but saying there have been 106000 jobs added since Donald took office LOL

[Image: http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/pic...tureid=773]

Obama did his best to destroy the coal mining industry. It's hard to understand why anybody working in the coal mining industry or living in an area dependent on coal mining would even consider voting for a Democrat after the 8 years of war that Obama and his gloomy gang of criminals waged on everybody associated with coal mining.

I question both the patriotism and sanity of those who still support liberal Democrats but live and work in the coal fields of this country.

[vector]

here is 2 VERY good reasons

http://theweek.com/speedreads/764593/new...mpensation

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/04/616136915...emic-grows

And Donald is just getting started

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/trum...black-lung

It's an epidemic

[Image: http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/pic...tureid=774]

[Hoot Gibson]

here is 2 VERY good reasons

http://theweek.com/speedreads/764593/new...mpensation

https://www.npr.org/2018/06/04/616136915...emic-grows

And Donald is just getting started

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/trum...black-lung

It's an epidemic

[Image: http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/pic...tureid=774]

There is never a good reason to vote for or otherwise support an anti-American socialist like Obama or Hillary. If you support one, then you are one.

[TheRealThing]

Well Donald's own DOL says there have been around 2400 coal mining jobs added since jan 2017

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES1021210001

But we know how Donald and his followers can twist the truth


[Image: http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/pic...tureid=772]

Let's get a couple things straight.

1 - Please write me down as a strong supporter of MR Trump, the President of the United States. Not 'Donald.' Those of the Democrat Party these days, are always members of some special interest group. Whether that be the confused membership of organized labor, abortion rights advocates, gay rights activists, global warming alarmists, ethnic minorities, black panthers, feminists or just plain anti-Republicans, all are socially liberal aberrationals. They are people who find it too mentally taxing to think for themselves, or are just too timid to think for themselves because they so deeply fear being mocked by their peers at work or possibly by friends. Either way, they are hopeless group-thinkers without an identity of their own. Like a bunch of little kids at a schoolyard playground, they can scarcely contain their desire be just like everybody else. Lemmings that the George Soros' of the world can manipulate to bring about their own anti-American or otherwise ill conceptions, with an hourly wage, a free bus ride and pizza for lunch.

Most conservatives find the parroted insults coming from the left too absurd to even merit a response. You guys can go ahead and let the government decide what you should have, and how well your family should live. Conservatives prefer to make their own way in life, living free and being self sufficient while exercising their constitutional guarantees to decide how well their families should live.

2 - 'The Hill' is a widely respected political news paper and website which published the article stating that 6 thousand mining jobs were added in August. So the way I see it though I have a couple of options here, taking my cues from vector is not going to be one of them. On the other hand, if you prefer a more proactive role you might try contacting Vicki Needham at "The Hill," and explain to her how wrong she is.

[vector]

According to today's news reports, 104 thousand new coal mining jobs have been added since the election of 2016. Get you some of this, Gitback Coach. irateSho

Now aren't you misleading the Hooplhaeads with this post

[Image: http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/pic...tureid=775]

[TheRealThing]

Now aren't you misleading the Hooplhaeads with this post

[Image: http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/pic...tureid=775]

Why vector, what has happened to your writing skills? Suddenly punctuation, vocabulary and spelling, well... maybe not spelling, have made some advancements. LOL

Still, you're not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed. 'The Hill' published the article, and various news media reported the same statistics. I cited them, and am not at all dissuaded that the article and reports are false. But I'm sure there will be further revelations into the matter in the coming days, and will accept any corrections or explanations offered.

But that isn't the worst part. Trump voters, including the hundreds of thousands of union households of the Rust Belt, are not hoopleheads. (I spell that differently) They know for decades now, they've been lied to, used as a Democrat cash cow for campaign purposes, taken for granted, and ignored. Waking up at long last they are at least honest enough with themselves to admit the loss of their jobs. Not to mention how often and how badly they've been run over by Democrats in every other way. I guarantee no Rust Belt guys have a problem with the President renegotiating NAFTA. And I guarantee you they know Hillary would never have attempted any change in that jobs killing agreement.

Now, you want to call out the people who are by nature losers and willing to believe whatever tripe their party is shoveling? Go look up all your buddies who voted for Hillary and Obama and tell them to their face. :biggrin:

[vector]

According to today's news reports, 104 thousand new coal mining jobs have been added since the election of 2016. Get you some of this, Gitback Coach. irateSho

Again you are misleading the Hoopleheads in this post

you see the article you are talking about said MINING JOBS NOT COAL MINING JOBS

the government counts mining jobs not only just COAL BUT also logging extraction of oil gas salt and probably more

BUT that is not what you posted you said COAL jobs

[Image: http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/pic...tureid=776]

[Hoot Gibson]

104,000 new coal mining jobs have not been created since Trump took office and it does not matter who, if anybody, reported that number. The official numbers are available directly from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Ignoring a fact won't change it.

Trump deserves credit for our improved economy but distorting the tale of the tape does the GOP no favors. Trump, his advisers, and his supporters should stick to the indisputable job statistics - not repeat easily discredited claims. That was Obama's M.O.

[Bob Seger]

[Image: http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/pic...tureid=770]

.....

[Hoot Gibson]

Just goes to show you how sharp Gitback is...Vector didn't even say anything in two consecutive posts, yet he posts a "like" on both of them....

Sheesh, how dumb can you be!!

You answered your question before you asked it. :thatsfunn

[TheRealThing]

104,000 new coal mining jobs have not been created since Trump took office and it does not matter who, if anybody, reported that number. The official numbers are available directly from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Ignoring a fact won't change it.

Trump deserves credit for our improved economy but distorting the tale of the tape does the GOP no favors. Trump, his advisers, and his supporters should stick to the indisputable job statistics - not repeat easily discredited claims. That was Obama's M.O.

Listen, I understand how impossible it is for you to get over yourself. If the number turns out to be less than 104 thousand so be it. I didn’t report the number though I freely admit that I did repeat it. Nor did I bother to vet my sources against labor statistics, especially in view of the fact that like you, I was not present to see the manner in which they arrived at their numbers. Further, you can deny The Hill is nobody and I’m fine with that too.

The whole thing was intended to be a barb at Obama supporters but hey, if you just have to be right, I’ll say it. You’re right.

[Hoot Gibson]

Listen, I understand how impossible it is for you to get over yourself. If the number turns out to be less than 104 thousand so be it. I didn’t report the number though I freely admit that I did repeat it. Nor did I bother to vet my sources against labor statistics, especially in view of the fact that like you, I was not present to see the manner in which they arrived at their numbers. Further, you can deny The Hill is nobody and I’m fine with that too.

The whole thing was intended to be a barb at Obama supporters but hey, if you just have to be right, I’ll say it. You’re right.

What is the point of lying, TRT? These kind of posts are why I don't spend much time here any more. You keep posting the same inaccurate, misleading numbers even after you are informed that they are 100 percent wrong. It's one thing to innocently rely on an inaccurate report in a post, but deliberately disregarding the truth after you know it is just plain wrong.

The federal BLS compiles and reports the official job numbers. Links to the correct numbers were posted more than once in this thread, yet you continue to insist that The Hill's misreporting of the BLS numbers is accurate because it is a "legitimate" news source.

So, what? Are you waiting for The Hill to print a correction instead of relying on your own two eyes and reading the BLS report for yourself? That is insane, TRT, or at least extremely irrational.

Unfortunately, I am not the only one who was right in this thread, Motley and vector proved you wrong in the same thread. Not a very effective barb of Obama supporters, in my opinion. I am not sure that I have ever seen vector right about anything before!!

[vector]

Listen, I understand how impossible it is for you to get over yourself. If the number turns out to be less than 104 thousand so be it. I didn’t report the number though I freely admit that I did repeat it. Nor did I bother to vet my sources against labor statistics, especially in view of the fact that like you, I was not present to see the manner in which they arrived at their numbers. Further, you can deny The Hill is nobody and I’m fine with that too.

The whole thing was intended to be a barb at Obama supporters but hey, if you just have to be right, I’ll say it. You’re right.

you are still not telling the truth to the Hoopleheads

the website posted 104 thousand mining jobs
but you added COAL and got caught trying to make somebody else wrong

[TheRealThing]

What is the point of lying, TRT? These kind of posts are why I don't spend much time here any more. You keep posting the same inaccurate, misleading numbers even after you are informed that they are 100 percent wrong. It's one thing to innocently rely on an inaccurate report in a post, but deliberately disregarding the truth after you know it is just plain wrong.

The federal BLS compiles and reports the official job numbers. Links to the correct numbers were posted more than once in this thread, yet you continue to insist that The Hill's misreporting of the BLS numbers is accurate because it is a "legitimate" news source.

So, what? Are you waiting for The Hill to print a correction instead of relying on your own two eyes and reading the BLS report for yourself? That is insane, TRT, or at least extremely irrational.

Unfortunately, I am not the only one who was right in this thread, Motley and vector proved you wrong in the same thread. Not a very effective barb of Obama supporters, in my opinion. I am not sure that I have ever seen vector right about anything before!!

Like I said, for you it’s all about being right. And I hear tell you’ve never been wrong about anything in your entire life. LOL That is except all that hogwash you posted about Trump being a stalking horse for Clinton and on and on.

I didn’t say I knew The Hill’s reporting was right, I said if they’re wrong that’s on them and my bet is they’ll correct things. I also cited SourceWatch and Fox Business. And I will say this, for a guy who fancies himself some kind of an intellectual you certainly merchandise in the absurdly petty. Sources vary and it’s no lie to quote reputable sources. But at least today you’ve managed to discover your kindred ties with other posters. :biggrin:

[Hoot Gibson]

Like I said, for you it’s all about being right. And I hear tell you’ve never been wrong about anything in your entire life. LOL That is except all that hogwash you posted about Trump being a stalking horse for Clinton and on and on.

I didn’t say I knew The Hill’s reporting was right, I said if they’re wrong that’s on them and my bet is they’ll correct things. I also cited SourceWatch and Fox Business. And I will say this, for a guy who fancies himself some kind of an intellectual you certainly merchandise in the absurdly petty. Sources vary and it’s no lie to quote reputable sources. But at least today you’ve managed to discover your kindred ties with other posters. :biggrin:

There was no source that claimed 104,000 coal mining jobs have been created since Trump took office. You simply made it up by embellishing the article in The Hill, and then reported your fabricated statistic as a "fact." When you were caught in the lie, you blamed it on reporting by The Hill.

You had ample opportunity to correct the record, but instead you once again chose to engage in an attack on my character.

As for fancying myself as an intellectual, vector and Motley caught you lying, not me. You insisted on compounding your lie by topping it off with another one. Think about that for a moment, TRT. Motley and vector were smart enough to call you out for posting an obvious lie. What does that say about your own intellect and character? :biglmao:

Honesty really is the best policy. Try it. You'll see that I am right.

[TheRealThing]

There was no source that claimed 104,000 coal mining jobs have been created since Trump took office. You simply made it up by embellishing the article in The Hill, and then reported your fabricated statistic as a "fact." When you were caught in the lie, you blamed it on reporting by The Hill.

You had ample opportunity to correct the record, but instead you once again chose to engage in an attack on my character.

As for fancying myself as an intellectual, vector and Motley caught you lying, not me. You insisted on compounding your lie by topping it off with another one. Think about that for a moment, TRT. Motley and vector were smart enough to call you out for posting an obvious lie. What does that say about your own intellect and character? :biglmao:

Honesty really is the best policy. Try it. You'll see that I am right.

Oh of course you're right. When have you ever not been right?

Honesty is the best policy huh? You mean like the way you were so honest in your "case against Trump" thread? You couldn't have begun to substantiate an iota of your slander, but you've yet to recant the first word of it. Nonetheless, I've known for some time now that you suffer from an obsession to always be right. And believe me, once it was pointed out to me the proof of it became glaring in reading your posts. But if you want to really be honest, why not admit to yourself what all this is really about? You're still trying to grind that same old ax with me, and you just can't let it go. You'd look a lot better if you did, IMHO. At least is was good to see you face up to the fact that Trump has a remarkable record and state as much in post 27. Trump as it turns out, has up to this point made a very good President. And he's done so under the greatest treachery and sedition imaginable.

The number I posted came from two sources, I didn't make that up. But my original statement was a take away from a live broadcast on Fox, not an official press release that I doctored. My aside and the source from The Hill were not the same. The discussion was about coal, but you had to make it personal. Motley and vector's default setting is to oppose me on everything because they don't agree with me on the things that are important to me. That being the impact or lack there of, of traditional conservatism and Christian tenets on the sted of this nation. And you're A LOT like them in your opposition, except for the fact that they represent an ideology while all you care about being right all the time. FTR, I was expecting some sort of alliance between you and vector. But I thought vector would be the one to cave in and buddy up with you. Turns out he at least had the dignity to stand his ground on his own.

[Hoot Gibson]

Oh of course you're right. When have you ever not been right?

Honesty is the best policy huh? You mean like the way you were so honest in your "case against Trump" thread? You couldn't have begun to substantiate an iota of your slander, but you've yet to recant the first word of it. Nonetheless, I've known for some time now that you suffer from an obsession to always be right. And believe me, once it was pointed out to me the proof of it became glaring in reading your posts. But if you want to really be honest, why not admit to yourself what all this is really about? You're still trying to grind that same old ax with me, and you just can't let it go. You'd look a lot better if you did, IMHO. At least is was good to see you face up to the fact that Trump has a remarkable record and state as much in post 27. Trump as it turns out, has up to this point made a very good President. And he's done so under the greatest treachery and sedition imaginable.

The number I posted came from two sources, I didn't make that up. The discussion was about coal, but you had to make it personal. Motley and vector's default setting is to oppose me on everything because they don't agree with me on the things that are important to me. That being the impact or lack there of, of traditional conservatism and Christian tenets on the sted of this nation. And you're A LOT like them in your opposition, except for the fact that they represent an ideology while all you care about being right all the time. FTR, I was expecting some sort of alliance between you and vector. But I thought vector would be the one to cave in and buddy up with you. Turns out he at least had the dignity to stand his ground on his own.

The bogus number of new coal mining jobs did not come from The Hill. You made it up. That's the bottom line.

I would have to put on a second shift to correct all the fabricated junk that you post. Don't worry - I'm already bored with your brand of propaganda. See ya.

[TheRealThing]

The bogus number of new coal mining jobs did not come from The Hill. You made it up. That's the bottom line.

I would have to put on a second shift to correct all the fabricated junk that you post. Don't worry - I'm already bored with your brand of propaganda. See ya.

"my original statement was a take away from a live broadcast on Fox, not an official press release that I doctored. My aside and the source from The Hill were not the same."


Now, that is not to say that you in your clinical bent to show me up, did not conflate my statement with the corroborating source, in the effort to try to make it seem that I had fabricated something.

[Hoot Gibson]

"my original statement was a take away from a live broadcast on Fox, not an official press release that I doctored. My aside and the source from The Hill were not the same."


Now, that is not to say that you in your clinical bent to show me up, did not conflate my statement with the corroborating source, in the effort to try to make it seem that I had fabricated something.

I think that it is much more likely that you watched an interview of a coal miner while the new mining employment numbers crawled across the bottom of the screen and became confused.

I don't believe your claim Fox Business reported that 104,000 new coal mining jobs had been created since Trump took office. That would have been a tripling of the number of coal miners in this country. Even if somebody on Fox misreported the number of new coal mining jobs, anybody who lives in eastern Kentucky should have immediately known how ridiculous such a claim was.

There is something very disturbing when somebody refuses to admit their mistakes and then launches into a series of personal attacks when somebody else attempts to set the record straight. Instead of manning up, you chose to blame The Hill and now Fox Business News for your "mistake."

Trump has done about as much for the coal industry as anybody could have hoped for since he took office. He deserves a great deal of credit for keeping that promise. Nobody could have tripled the number of coal miners in this country in less than two years time.

Coal miner reacts to new mining jobs added under Trump (Fox Business 7 September, 2018)

[TheRealThing]

I think that it is much more likely that you watched an interview of a coal miner while the new mining employment numbers crawled across the bottom of the screen and became confused.

I don't believe your claim Fox Business reported that 104,000 new coal mining jobs had been created since Trump took office. That would have been a tripling of the number of coal miners in this country. Even if somebody on Fox misreported the number of new coal mining jobs, anybody who lives in eastern Kentucky should have immediately known how ridiculous such a claim was.

There is something very disturbing when somebody refuses to admit their mistakes and then launches into a series of personal attacks when somebody else attempts to set the record straight. Instead of manning up, you chose to blame The Hill and now Fox Business News for your "mistake."

Trump has done about as much for the coal industry as anybody could have hoped for since he took office. He deserves a great deal of credit for keeping that promise. Nobody could have tripled the number of coal miners in this country in less than two years time.

Coal miner reacts to new mining jobs added under Trump (Fox Business 7 September, 2018)

For at least the second time, David Asman said it bozo. And I really don't care what you believe. But I do wish they'd have been giving odds on your supposed slamming the door on your way out earlier. I could have made real money, because I knew you could never let this drop. It's the only hope you have of rehabilitating yourself after yet another episode on the forum. You just cannot let go, as the fact that your original grudge remains undaunted even after nearly two years, clearly demonstrates. And you won't have to labor much to get me to agree that you're 'disturbed.' But the good news is as I understand it, there is treatment for people like you who have to be right about everything. You should look into it.

[Hoot Gibson]

For at least the second time, David Asman said it bozo. And I really don't care what you believe. But I do wish they'd have been giving odds on your supposed slamming the door on your way out earlier. I could have made real money, because I knew you could never let this drop. It's the only hope you have of rehabilitating yourself after yet another episode on the forum. You just cannot let go, as the fact that your original grudge remains undaunted even after nearly two years, clearly demonstrates. And you won't have to labor much to get me to agree that you're 'disturbed.' But the good news is as I understand it, there is treatment for people like you who have to be right about everything. You should look into it.

You should stick to the name-calling, TRT, because you are not a very good liar. Name calling and hypocrisy are your strengths.

The truth is that, when confronted with the truth, you continued to lie and failed to cite a single source to support your ridiculous claim that 104,000 coal mining jobs were created since 2016. Not one. Now, please do resume your name calling and feeble attempt at character assassination. It's all you've got.

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

― Socrates

[Hoot Gibson]

[Image: http://www.bluegrassrivals.com/forum/att...1536662934]

[TheRealThing]

You should stick to the name-calling, TRT, because you are not a very good liar. Name calling and hypocrisy are your strengths.

The truth is that, when confronted with the truth, you continued to lie and failed to cite a single source to support your ridiculous claim that 104,000 coal mining jobs were created since 2016. Not one. Now, please do resume your name calling and feeble attempt at character assassination. It's all you've got.

Right, and the truth of course is whatever you say it is, right?

My original post--- "According to today's news reports, 104 thousand new coal mining jobs have been added since the election of 2016. Get you some of this, Gitback Coach."

Your immediate response--- "Donald Trump has done a great job easing the regulatory stranglehold that Obama's agencies had on the coal industry during Obama's War on Coal and the business climate is 100 percent better for coal than when Obama left office, but that 104,000 number is totally bogus. The number of coal miners in this country is around half that number, so there is no way that Trump has created anywhere near that number of new coal mining jobs.

I drove down the Big Sandy this morning on my way back home and the first three coal docks that I saw each had a "For Lease" sign out front and I did not see a single coal truck on U.S. 23. Obama did long term damage to the coal industry in eastern Kentucky and, IMO, it will never recover. The future of the coal industry lies mostly in the western states. There will always be some demand for the high quality coal of central Appalachia, but coal's best days are behind it and Obama made sure of that."
---------------------------------


So, here we are and according to you there are only 52 thousand coal mining jobs in the entire US. And heaven knows there is no way your assertion could possibly be wrong, much less an ax grinding manipulation to make yourself look to be the real authority on the matter. And relative to the last paragraph of this post, let us not overlook the fact that I said "coal mining jobs," and you changed that to "coal miners." But now let us review this thing as it actually unfolded, if you will recall the following was one of my sources;

SourceWatch---
"There are approximately 174,000 blue-collar, full-time, permanent jobs related to coal in the U.S.: mining (83,000), transportation (31,000), and power plant employment (60,000). (See below for details on each sector.) The U.S. civilian labor force totaled 141,730,000 workers in 2005; thus, permanent blue-collar coal industry employees represent 0.12% of the U.S. workforce."
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Co...ted_States

You say YOU'RE right (52 thousand coal jobs), SourceWatch is wrong (174 thousand coal jobs) and of course to fulfill the ultimate aim of your obsession, I am wrong. And giving yourself a complete pass with honesty, you'll very merrily distort, dismiss, or otherwise run over facts that don't suit your cause, calling your rivals liars. BTW, that is the only name calling going on around here.

One more thing, and I know YOU already know this because after all, you're Hoot Gibson. But according to SourceWatch coal mining jobs are not limited to just the guys who ride the mine cars down into the mine. There are also jobs in transportation, and power plant employment. I would add specialized equipment vendors and manufacturing to that number, along with many others.

[Hoot Gibson]

Right, and the truth of course is whatever you say it is, right?

My original post--- "According to today's news reports, 104 thousand new coal mining jobs have been added since the election of 2016. Get you some of this, Gitback Coach."

Your immediate response--- "Donald Trump has done a great job easing the regulatory stranglehold that Obama's agencies had on the coal industry during Obama's War on Coal and the business climate is 100 percent better for coal than when Obama left office, but that 104,000 number is totally bogus. The number of coal miners in this country is around half that number, so there is no way that Trump has created anywhere near that number of new coal mining jobs.

I drove down the Big Sandy this morning on my way back home and the first three coal docks that I saw each had a "For Lease" sign out front and I did not see a single coal truck on U.S. 23. Obama did long term damage to the coal industry in eastern Kentucky and, IMO, it will never recover. The future of the coal industry lies mostly in the western states. There will always be some demand for the high quality coal of central Appalachia, but coal's best days are behind it and Obama made sure of that."
---------------------------------


So, here we are and according to you there are only 52 thousand coal mining jobs in the entire US. And heaven knows there is no way your assertion could possibly be wrong, much less an ax grinding manipulation to make yourself look to be the real authority on the matter. And relative to the last paragraph of this post, let us not overlook the fact that I said "coal mining jobs," and you changed that to "coal miners." But now let us review this thing as it actually unfolded, if you will recall the following was one of my sources;

SourceWatch---
"There are approximately 174,000 blue-collar, full-time, permanent jobs related to coal in the U.S.: mining (83,000), transportation (31,000), and power plant employment (60,000). (See below for details on each sector.) The U.S. civilian labor force totaled 141,730,000 workers in 2005; thus, permanent blue-collar coal industry employees represent 0.12% of the U.S. workforce."
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Co...ted_States

You say YOU'RE right (52 thousand coal jobs), SourceWatch is wrong (174 thousand coal jobs) and of course to fulfill the ultimate aim of your obsession, I am wrong. And giving yourself a complete pass with honesty, you'll very merrily distort, dismiss, or otherwise run over facts that don't suit your cause, calling your rivals liars. BTW, that is the only name calling going on around here.

One more thing, and I know YOU already know this because after all, you're Hoot Gibson. But according to SourceWatch coal mining jobs are not limited to just the guys who ride the mine cars down into the mine. There are also jobs in transportation, and power plant employment. I would add specialized equipment vendors and manufacturing to that number, along with many others.

The numbers shown in the graph that I posted are straight from Trump's own BLS, which is the most authoritative source of labor statistics available.

There is no spin that you can apply to your bogus 104,000 new coal mining jobs claim that will make that claim appear any less than a ridiculous fabrication.

The first rule of escaping a hole is to stop digging.

[TheRealThing]

The numbers shown in the graph that I posted are straight from Trump's own BLS, which is the most authoritative source of labor statistics available.

There is no spin that you can apply to your bogus 104,000 new coal mining jobs claim that will make that claim appear any less than a ridiculous fabrication.

The first rule of escaping a hole is to stop digging.

Who cares what numbers YOU posted? I posted my source for the 104 thousand number I used and you disputed, which was 'The Hill,' a far more reputable source than Hoot Gibson BTW. That wasn't "my" number as you deceitfully charged. You did say there are only 52 thousand coal mining jobs, and you're wrong. But please don't misunderstand, my intention was never to succeed where your therapists have failed. I made those posts for benefit of the normal people on here. :biggrin:

[Hoot Gibson]

Who cares what numbers YOU posted? I posted my source for the 104 thousand number I used and you disputed, which was 'The Hill,' a far more reputable source than Hoot Gibson BTW. That wasn't "my" number as you deceitfully charged. You did say there are only 52 thousand coal mining jobs, and you're wrong. But please don't misunderstand, my intention was never to succeed where your therapists have failed. I made those posts for benefit of the normal people on here. :biggrin:

You lied and vector caught you. As he correctly explained, you took a perfectly good number for the number of mining jobs created since 2016 and inserted the word coal in great big bold letters in front of the word "mining." The article may be 100 percent correct, but you were and insist on continuing to be 100 percent wrong.

Here is some news that you can use to avoid embarrassing yourself with such pitiful lies in the future. The Labor Department is the parent agency of the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The article in The Hill that you cited as your source - yes, the article that you claimed as your source (before and then after you blamed poor David Asman for your lie) cited the Labor Department as its source. Of course, the BLS is that part of the Labor Department responsible for tracking and reporting employment statistics.

These talking heads on whose every word you hang are reporters and when they report employment numbers, they are almost always based on the monthly jobs report released by the BLS. Even vector and Motley know that is true.

BTW, SourceWatch is part of left wing activist group partially funded by both George Soros and the Tides Foundation...any red herring in a storm, I suppose. nicker:

[TheRealThing]

You lied and vector caught you. As he correctly explained, you took a perfectly good number for the number of mining jobs created since 2016 and inserted the word coal in great big bold letters in front of the word "mining." The article may be 100 percent correct, but you were and insist on continuing to be 100 percent wrong.

Here is some news that you can use to avoid embarrassing yourself with such pitiful lies in the future. The Labor Department is the parent agency of the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The article in The Hill that you cited as your source - yes, the article that you claimed as your source (before and then after you blamed poor David Asman for your lie) cited the Labor Department as its source. Of course, the BLS is that part of the Labor Department responsible for tracking and reporting employment statistics.

These talking heads on whose every word you hang are reporters and when they report employment numbers, they are almost always based on the monthly jobs report released by the BLS. Even vector and Motley know that is true.

BTW, SourceWatch is part of left wing activist group partially funded by both George Soros and the Tides Foundation...any red herring in a storm, I suppose. nicker:

Well since we’re dragging other people into this, Luke Skywalker said it best
when he summed you up a couple years back, you’ve ‘lost it’ end of story. One minute you’re trying to say I made things up. The next you admit the number came from the source I quoted. But naturally your sources are MUCH better. Now you’ll have to excuse me for the evening, I’ve got a low stupidity threshold and you’re waaay over it.

[Hoot Gibson]

Well since we’re dragging other people into this, Luke Skywalker said it best
when he summed you up a couple years back, you’ve ‘lost it’ end of story. One minute you’re trying to say I made things up. The next you admit the number came from the source I quoted. But naturally your sources are MUCH better. Now you’ll have to excuse me for the evening, I’ve got a low stupidity threshold and you’re waaay over it.

Stupidity has nothing to do with lying - there are many honest but stupid people in this world. Obviously, you are not one of them but you are half way there.

Nobody but you claimed that 104,000 new coal mining jobs have been created under Trump. You lied. You got caught. You lose. End of story.

[TheRealThing]

Stupidity has nothing to do with lying - there are many honest but stupid people in this world. Obviously, you are not one of them but you are half way there.

Nobody but you claimed that 104,000 new coal mining jobs have been created under Trump. You lied. You got caught. You lose. End of story.

Got a smattering of projection mixed in with that ODD (oppositional defiant disorder) I see. It takes more than your childish insistence, to in any way prove that I lied about anything at all. But then for you, this is not a conversation establishing the improving state of the mining industry as was my intention, it's been changed to a bout between us where you win an argument, which you started, because that is what people like you do. And is obviously the level to which your world has been reduced. What do I care if your delusion includes an imagined victory over me in a debate? AFTR, you're the guy who first introduced deceit into the discussion when you tried to falsely limit the types of jobs attributable to the coal mining industry in the first place. Not to mention the fact that according to you, there are only 52 thousand coal mining jobs in the entire US. Would you like to retract your self serving violation of fact now? No? I didn't think so.

Just so I don't get accused of making anymore stuff up;

I hardly ever come to the political threads, mainly because they are boring but these threads are actually funny seeing as how a bunch of grown men act like kids. These threads should be glaring examples of why republicans can't win. they eat their own. you have people here that are like kids in walmart and screaming i'll never vote for trump, then you have guys that are able to swallow the stench of trump and vote, then you have guys that are die hard trump. I find it funny that some of you scream i won't vote for Trump but im sure 4 years ago you was screaming Romney. The hyprocisy in this thread is funny to watch. Then if Hillary wins, we will see the whining about another 8 years of Obama. LOL.

TheRealThing is a conservative it seems but has sense enough to understand what's at stake, Hoot has gone nuts and lost touch with reality like the rest of the people in the won't vote for Trump crowd, ( . . . )