[TheRealThing]

it still was george and dick's decison THE BUCK STOPS HERE

No amount of evidence would get dems to admit when they're wrong and no amount evidence will ever get them to vote for the best candidate. They would vote for Satan himself if he were to run on the democratic ticket. They're not looking for the truth, rather the insult, name, or lie, that will stick long enough to get them past the election cycle. They have no honor and therefore are not bound to the truth. Neither do they feel any remorse or pangs of conscience when they slam their counterparts across the aisle in such a way meant to destroy their reputations. The only emotions dems feel are contempt and loathing.

Holding forth abortion, gay rights, and universal health care as the three pillars of their political philosophy, they call for the redefinition of the US Constitution, legalized drug trade, gambling, entitlements for the non productive class, runaway immigration both legal and illegal, the downfall of the so-called rich, scuttling every viable energy source we have, reducing our capablility for national defense to a mere ghost of what iit was only 4 years ago, and a 20 tillion dollar national debt looms a mere 4 years into the future. They have done everything humanly possible to deprive the American public of a working federal government by defying established law and the long established practice of the House and Senate hammering out legislation between them, for the "common good." Preferring instead, to pass laws calculated to hamstring our economy and industry, and give advantage and priviledge to homosexuals and illegal aliens. And, bury the taxpayer under the hopelessly impossible burden of funding the "Great Society."

[Bob Seger]

:lame:

haha, Keep telling you guys he's not worth the time responding too.

[Bob Seger]

No amount of evidence would get dems to admit when they're wrong and no amount evidence will ever get them to vote for the best candidate. They would vote for Satan himself if he were to run on the democratic ticket. They're not looking for the truth, rather the insult, name, or lie, that will stick long enough to get them past the election cycle. They have no honor and therefore are not bound to the truth. Neither do they feel any remorse or pangs of conscience when they slam their counterparts across the aisle in such a way meant to destroy their reputations. The only emotions dems feel are contempt and loathing.

Holding forth abortion, gay rights, and universal health care as the three pillars of their political philosophy, they call for the redefinition of the US Constitution, legalized drug trade, gambling, entitlements for the non productive class, runaway immigration both legal and illegal, the downfall of the so-called rich, scuttling every viable energy source we have, reducing our capablility for national defense to a mere ghost of what iit was only 4 years ago, and a 20 tillion dollar national debt looms a mere 4 years into the future. They have done everything humanly possible to deprive the American public of a working federal government by defying established law and the long established practice of the House and Senate hammering out legislation between them, for the "common good." Preferring instead, to pass laws calculated to hamstring our economy and industry, and give advantage and priviledge to homosexuals and illegal aliens. And, bury the taxpayer under the hopelessly impossible burden of funding the "Great Society."

Uh, I think they've already put him in the White House.

[Bob Seger]

The fact THAT no weapons was ever found.

Did you ever once stop to think that they had them because they used them on their own people. You ever hear of the Kurds? Course not, because it all happened while you were still in head start.....lol

[nky]

http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2012...l-weapons/

[Wildcatk23]

IT seems Facts and Evidence mean nothing.

[TheRealVille]

No amount of evidence would get dems to admit when they're wrong and no amount evidence will ever get them to vote for the best candidate. They would vote for Satan himself if he were to run on the democratic ticket. They're not looking for the truth, rather the insult, name, or lie, that will stick long enough to get them past the election cycle. They have no honor and therefore are not bound to the truth. Neither do they feel any remorse or pangs of conscience when they slam their counterparts across the aisle in such a way meant to destroy their reputations. The only emotions dems feel are contempt and loathing.

Holding forth abortion, gay rights, and universal health care as the three pillars of their political philosophy, they call for the redefinition of the US Constitution, legalized drug trade, gambling, entitlements for the non productive class, runaway immigration both legal and illegal, the downfall of the so-called rich, scuttling every viable energy source we have, reducing our capablility for national defense to a mere ghost of what iit was only 4 years ago, and a 20 tillion dollar national debt looms a mere 4 years into the future. They have done everything humanly possible to deprive the American public of a working federal government by defying established law and the long established practice of the House and Senate hammering out legislation between them, for the "common good." Preferring instead, to pass laws calculated to hamstring our economy and industry, and give advantage and priviledge to homosexuals and illegal aliens. And, bury the taxpayer under the hopelessly impossible burden of funding the "Great Society."

Anybody but Romney.

[Bob Seger]

IT seems Facts and Evidence mean nothing.

Whup some of it on us then big fella.

[TheRealThing]

Anybody but Romney.

In 104 days it will be nobody but Romney for 8 years.

[TheRealThing]

IT seems Facts and Evidence mean nothing.

You can't dodge this one Wildcat. They knew we were coming and they moved them to Syria. We acted on the advice of Pelosi, Kerry, Clinton, Gore, 81 democratic members of the House and 28 democratic members of the Senate, all of which voted to invade Iraq. The truth is, had we not done so, Sadam would have tried to use a WMD on our soil via terrorist attack on the level of 9/11.

America has to take the fight to these outlaw regimes who have openly sworn to bring down the USA. We can't just sit at home on our hands waiting for more innocent civilians to be murdered. They killed over 3,000 on 9/11. What would your suggestion be on how to respond to their deaths? We've reduced the bad guys down to where they are a minimal threat compared to 2002 because we were in their backyard taking the fight to them. In a combat situation, rather than American skyscrapers, on American soil with innocent Moms and Dads at work. We sure couldn't have done a thing to them by diplomacy and kissing up. We leved Japan for the 2,402 US soldiers killed in the attack on Pearl Harbor. You just want to let 9/11 go?

At least George didn't lean over and try to cut a deal with Sadam like Obama did with the Russian Premier. It's funny how you guys never have one word of criticism for Obama, I mean he is on tape, it's undeniable. But here we are 4 years after George W's departure, and you still can't lay off of blaming W for everything coming and going.

[Bob Seger]

You can't dodge this one Wildcat. They knew we were coming and they moved them to Syria. We acted on the advice of Pelosi, Kerry, Clinton, Gore, 81 democratic members of the House and 28 democratic members of the Senate, all of which voted to invade Iraq. The truth is, had we not done so, Sadam would have tried to use a WMD on our soil via terrorist attack on the level of 9/11.

America has to take the fight to these outlaw regimes who have openly sworn to bring down the USA. We can't just sit at home on our hands waiting for more innocent civilians to be murdered. They killed over 3,000 on 9/11. What would your suggestion be on how to respond to their deaths? We've reduced the bad guys down to where they are a minimal threat compared to 2002 because we were in their backyard taking the fight to them. In a combat situation, rather than American skyscrapers, on American soil with innocent Moms and Dads at work. We sure couldn't have done a thing to them by diplomacy and kissing up. We leved Japan for the 2,402 US soldiers killed in the attack on Pearl Harbor. You just want to let 9/11 go?

At least George didn't lean over and try to cut a deal with Sadam like Obama did with the Russian Premier. It's funny how you guys never have one word of criticism for Obama, I mean he is on tape, it's undeniable. But here we are 4 years after George W's departure, and you still can't lay off of blaming W for everything coming and going.

lol...He was still in his crib when all of this stuff happened to begin with TRT, and can only vaguely remember Bush. When one doesn't know anything about anything and is just dieing to be a big boy it's real easy to blend in with the rest of the liberal crowd of parrots and just shout "Aukk, it's Bush's fault, Aukk, it's Bush's fault".nicker:

[Wildcatk23]

You can't dodge this one Wildcat. They knew we were coming and they moved them to Syria. We acted on the advice of Pelosi, Kerry, Clinton, Gore, 81 democratic members of the House and 28 democratic members of the Senate, all of which voted to invade Iraq. The truth is, had we not done so, Sadam would have tried to use a WMD on our soil via terrorist attack on the level of 9/11.

America has to take the fight to these outlaw regimes who have openly sworn to bring down the USA. We can't just sit at home on our hands waiting for more innocent civilians to be murdered. They killed over 3,000 on 9/11. What would your suggestion be on how to respond to their deaths? We've reduced the bad guys down to where they are a minimal threat compared to 2002 because we were in their backyard taking the fight to them. In a combat situation, rather than American skyscrapers, on American soil with innocent Moms and Dads at work. We sure couldn't have done a thing to them by diplomacy and kissing up. We leved Japan for the 2,402 US soldiers killed in the attack on Pearl Harbor. You just want to let 9/11 go?

At least George didn't lean over and try to cut a deal with Sadam like Obama did with the Russian Premier. It's funny how you guys never have one word of criticism for Obama, I mean he is on tape, it's undeniable. But here we are 4 years after George W's departure, and you still can't lay off of blaming W for everything coming and going.

Bush has said it himself that IRAQ had nothing to do with 9/11. He stated they did not have WMD.

I have never once bashed the war in Afghanistan. We had 100% reason to go there.

[YOUTUBE="Bush on Iraq"]f_A77N5WKWM[/YOUTUBE]

[TheRealThing]

Bush has said it himself that IRAQ had nothing to do with 9/11. He stated they did not have WMD.

I have never once bashed the war in Afghanistan. We had 100% reason to go there.

[YOUTUBE="Bush on Iraq"]f_A77N5WKWM[/YOUTUBE]

Good, I'm glad you recognize the military actions against Afghanistan were warranted. The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing military action against Iraq. Are you willing to recognize that the invasion of Iraq had the full support of congress and further, we took no military action prior to their written support?

No offense but, those youtube vids are more than a little suspect. If Bush had ever said anything like that it would have dominated the 24/7 loop for months. What Bush actually said was he hated that Sadam was able to get the WMD's out while we were marshalling support and forces for the invasion.

[vector]

Wildcatk23 i believe you got the CRAZY'S on this one

too much silence got nothing to say cat got you tongue

[Stardust]

Good, I'm glad you recognize the military actions against Afghanistan were warranted. The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing military action against Iraq. Are you willing to recognize that the invasion of Iraq had the full support of congress and further, we took no military action prior to their written support?

No offense but, those youtube vids are more than a little suspect. If Bush had ever said anything like that it would have dominated the 24/7 loop for months. What Bush actually said was he hated that Sadam was able to get the WMD's out while we were marshalling support and forces for the invasion.

He did, kind of sorta.... Don't get me wrong, I'm on your side, but there was so much pressure on the White House regarding where the WMD's were, he had to say there was nothing to find:

"BUSH: Now, look, I -- part of the reason we went into Iraq was -- the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn't, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction...

You know, I've heard this theory about, you know, everything was just fine until we arrived and, you know, kind of -- the "stir up the hornet's nest" theory. It just doesn't hold water as far as I'm concerned. The terrorists attacked us and killed 3,000 of our citizens before we started the freedom agenda in the Middle East. They were --

Monday August 21, 2006 - A full transcript of the president's remarks follow: http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Bush_c..._0821.html

[nky]

Saddam Hussein did have terrorist ties but not strong ones with Al-Qaeda. Iraq was a state sponsor of terrorism paying money to the killers families.
The video shows President Bush stating that the weapons weren't found in Iraq ok. It's easy to use a retrospective view 3 years after the invasion but the evidence that both parties viewed pointed to a stock pile of WMDs, historically it's know that Hussein had them, he used them on his own people. Though out the 1990's it was believed he was continuing his weapons program(look at the UN resolutions and economic sanctions). Saddam Hussein was a sponsor of terrorism in the region, he was an evil doer that was taken care of

[Wildcatk23]

Good, I'm glad you recognize the military actions against Afghanistan were warranted. The Iraq Resolution or the Iraq War Resolution (formally the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, Pub.L. 107-243, 116 Stat. 1498, enacted October 16, 2002, H.J.Res. 114) is a joint resolution passed by the United States Congress in October 2002 as Public Law No: 107-243, authorizing military action against Iraq. Are you willing to recognize that the invasion of Iraq had the full support of congress and further, we took no military action prior to their written support?

No offense but, those youtube vids are more than a little suspect. If Bush had ever said anything like that it would have dominated the 24/7 loop for months. What Bush actually said was he hated that Sadam was able to get the WMD's out while we were marshalling support and forces for the invasion.

I never said that he went against congress. The entire Administration on both sides of the isle are just as guilty. Its just pathetic to raise a thread like this trying to warrant a reason to go into Iraq. When no such Weapons was ever found. We(The Public) will never know the lies and true reasons for going into Iraq. But we know for sure that it wasn't the reason they gave us.

As for the Video. You can find the Transcript.

QUESTION: What did Iraq: have to do with that?

BUSH: What did Iraq: have to do with what?

QUESTION: The attack on the World Trade Center.

BUSH: Nothing, except for it's part of -- and nobody's ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq: was a -- Iraq: -- the lesson of September the 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken.

Nobody's ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq. I have suggested, however, that resentment and the lack of hope create the breeding grounds for terrorists who are willing to use suiciders to kill to achieve an objective. I have made that case. And one way to defeat that -- you know, defeat resentment, is with hope. And the best way to do hope is through a form of government.

http://uspolitics.about.com/b/2006/08/22...ission.htm

[Wildcatk23]

Duplicate.

[nky]

Saddam Hussein's terror ties
read about "Bleesed July"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006...510-9374r/


http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Pu...0ieqmb.asp

[vector]

Saddam Hussein's terror ties
read about "Bleesed July"

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006...510-9374r/


http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Pu...0ieqmb.asp

The United States exported support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq war over $500 million worth of dual use exports to Iraq that were approved by the Commerce department. Among them were advanced computers, some of which were used in Iraq's nuclear program.[28] The non-profit American Type Culture Collection and the Centers for Disease Control sold or sent biological samples of anthrax, West Nile virus and botulism to Iraq up until 1989, which Iraq claimed it needed for medical research. A number of these materials were used for Iraq's biological weapons research program, while others were used for vaccine development.[29] For example, the Iraqi military settled on the American Type Culture Collection strain 14578 as the exclusive anthrax strain for use as a biological weapon, according to Charles Duelfer.[30]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_we...estruction

THIS IS WHAT MESS THESE REPUBLICAN CAUSE

[nky]

^ that's what happens when you use a surrogate to fight a war for you. You make strange alliances to fight an enemy that a democrat would not deal with

[nky]

The United States exported support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq war over $500 million worth of dual use exports to Iraq that were approved by the Commerce department. Among them were advanced computers, some of which were used in Iraq's nuclear program.[28] The non-profit American Type Culture Collection and the Centers for Disease Control sold or sent biological samples of anthrax, West Nile virus and botulism to Iraq up until 1989, which Iraq claimed it needed for medical research. A number of these materials were used for Iraq's biological weapons research program, while others were used for vaccine development.[29] For example, the Iraqi military settled on the American Type Culture Collection strain 14578 as the exclusive anthrax strain for use as a biological weapon, according to Charles Duelfer.[30]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_we...estruction

THIS IS WHAT MESS THESE REPUBLICAN CAUSE

So he had WMDs huh?

[Wildcatk23]

Whup some of it on us then big fella.

Your turn.

[nky]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/07/d...re_no.html

This is an interesting article

[nky]

http://phillipsblog.dailymail.co.uk/2012...senal.html

another interesting read:

In the last few days, this has been much discussed. What has not been raised, however, is the question of how Syria managed to develop such a chemical weapons stockpile in the first place. No-one in the western media seems remotely curious about how Syria has managed to arm itself to the teeth with them beneath the radar of international scrutiny.

Later in the article:

In a more recent paper published in 2006 in the International Journal of Intelligence and Counter-Intelligence , An Antithesis on the Fate of Iraq’s Chemical and Biological Weapons, Dr Shoham wrote that the two official reports – Duelfer and Carnegie in 2004 – that supposedly exonerated Saddam of still having WMD by the outbreak of war ignored much information that indicated the smuggling of chemical and biological weapons from Iraq into Syria. Although the most knowledgeable and experienced individuals tracking Iraq’s WMD were members of UNSCOM, they were largely excluded by the US intelligence community. Ill-trained soldiers would go to a site, find something suspicious, return 48 hours later and find it had disappeared.
In October 2003, the US intelligence community publicly pointed for the first time to transfers of WMD from Iraq to Syria. The Director of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, James Clapper, said it linked the disappearance of Iraqi WMD with the huge number of Iraqi trucks entering Syria before and during the US invasion; based on satellite imagery, it assessed that these trucks contained missiles and WMD components. Shipments to Syria were supervised by Saddam’s most loyal intelligence agents. Once the shipments were made, these agents would leave and the regular border guards resumed their posts.
Moreover, captured Iraqi documents record that the Russian ‘spetsnaz’ moved many of Saddam’s weapons and related goods, including chemicals used to make chemical weapons plus missile components and MIG jet parts, out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the 2003 invasion.
In 2004 Nizar Najoef, a Syrian journalist who defected from Syria to Europe, claimed he had received information from contacts in Syrian intelligence that:

• Tunnels dug under al Baida near Hama in northern Syria were an integral part of an underground factory, built by the North Koreans, for producing Syrian Scud missiles. Iraqi chemical weapons and long range missiles were stored there;
  
• Vital parts of Iraq’s WMD were stored in the village of Tal Snan, north of Salamija where there was a big Syrian air force camp;
  
• Iraqi WMD was also stored in the city of Sjinsjar on Syria’s border with Lebanon.
  

Shoham concluded:
‘Apparently, then, the prevailing perception of the “failure” to find Iraq’s CBW arsenal ought to be rethought...Strategically, Iraq’s enduring arsenal may affect Syria’s CBW capabilities, provided that the transfer did in fact take place...’
Might some of Basher al Assad’s chemical (and possibly biological) arsenal have Saddam Hussein’s name on it?

[Wildcatk23]

Evidence .

[nky]

2003 -trucks leaving Iraq going into Syria[Image: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/librar..._img65.jpg]

[Wildcatk23]

2003 -trucks leaving Iraq going into Syria[Image: http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/librar..._img65.jpg]

Really?

[nky]

^In October 2003, the US intelligence community publicly pointed for the first time to transfers of WMD from Iraq to Syria. The Director of the National Imagery and Mapping Agency, James Clapper, said it linked the disappearance of Iraqi WMD with the huge number of Iraqi trucks entering Syria before and during the US invasion; based on satellite imagery, it assessed that these trucks contained missiles and WMD components.

[TheRealThing]

I never said that he went against congress. The entire Administration on both sides of the isle are just as guilty. Its just pathetic to raise a thread like this trying to warrant a reason to go into Iraq. When no such Weapons was ever found. We(The Public) will never know the lies and true reasons for going into Iraq. But we know for sure that it wasn't the reason they gave us.
As for the Video. You can find the Transcript.

QUESTION: What did Iraq: have to do with that?

BUSH: What did Iraq: have to do with what?

QUESTION: The attack on the World Trade Center.

BUSH: Nothing, except for it's part of -- and nobody's ever suggested in this administration that Saddam Hussein ordered the attack. Iraq: was a -- Iraq: -- the lesson of September the 11th is take threats before they fully materialize, Ken.

Nobody's ever suggested that the attacks of September the 11th were ordered by Iraq. I have suggested, however, that resentment and the lack of hope create the breeding grounds for terrorists who are willing to use suiciders to kill to achieve an objective. I have made that case. And one way to defeat that -- you know, defeat resentment, is with hope. And the best way to do hope is through a form of government.

http://uspolitics.about.com/b/2006/08/22...ission.htm

Okay, so the entire federal government of 2001-2003 shares the responsibility for the invasion of Iraq. What's the deal with blaming W for it? That is exactly what drives me up the wall. Not that you're saying it, but even Kerry and Pelosi blame the Iraq War on him, and they're on record demanding the invasion. The intelligence at the time indicated Saddam was aiding and abetting Al-Qaeda in their efforts to carry out these massive terrorist attacks on the USA.

As for the reason to invade Iraq. The idea was to take the fight to the terrorists in their own backyard. Engage them in a combat situation and fight them on even terms. Would you rather have them flying jets into buildings and possibly killing thousands with anthrax or chemical weapons on American soil? Or would you prefer to knock the crap out them over in their homeland desert regions where our trained militia could have their way with these vermin?

Suffice it to say, the congress, the president, the CIA, and military intelligence believed it enough to vote to invade. If they were all wrong they were all wrong but, here is what was written on the subject back in 2006---


ARTICLE----
Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says

By IRA STOLL, Staff Reporter of the Sun | January 26, 2006

The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.

The Iraqi general, Georges Sada, makes the charges in a new book, "Saddam's Secrets," released this week. He detailed the transfers in an interview yesterday with The New York Sun.

"There are weapons of mass destruction gone out from Iraq to Syria, and they must be found and returned to safe hands," Mr. Sada said. "I am confident they were taken over."

Mr. Sada's comments come just more than a month after Israel's top general during Operation Iraqi Freedom, Moshe Yaalon, told the Sun that Saddam "transferred the chemical agents from Iraq to Syria."

Democrats have made the absence of stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq a theme in their criticism of the Bush administration's decision to go to war in 2003. And President Bush himself has conceded much of the point; in a televised prime-time address to Americans last month, he said, "It is true that many nations believed that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. But much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong."

Said Mr. Bush, "We did not find those weapons."

The discovery of the weapons in Syria could alter the American political debate on the Iraq war. And even the accusations that they are there could step up international pressure on the government in Damascus. That government, led by Bashar Assad, is already facing a U.N. investigation over its alleged role in the assassination of a former prime minister of Lebanon. The Bush administration has criticized Syria for its support of terrorism and its failure to cooperate with the U.N. investigation.

The State Department recently granted visas for self-proclaimed opponents of Mr. Assad to attend a "Syrian National Council" meeting in Washington scheduled for this weekend, even though the attendees include communists, Baathists, and members of the Islamist Muslim Brotherhood group to the exclusion of other, more mainstream groups.

Mr. Sada, 65, told the Sun that the pilots of the two airliners that transported the weapons of mass destruction to Syria from Iraq approached him in the middle of 2004, after Saddam was captured by American troops.

"I know them very well. They are very good friends of mine. We trust each other. We are friends as pilots," Mr. Sada said of the two pilots. He declined to disclose their names, saying they are concerned for their safety. But he said they are now employed by other airlines outside Iraq.

The pilots told Mr. Sada that two Iraqi Airways Boeings were converted to cargo planes by removing the seats, Mr. Sada said. Then Special Republican Guard brigades loaded materials onto the planes, he said, including "yellow barrels with skull and crossbones on each barrel." The pilots said there was also a ground convoy of trucks.

The flights - 56 in total, Mr. Sada said - attracted little notice because they were thought to be civilian flights providing relief from Iraq to Syria, which had suffered a flood after a dam collapse in June of 2002.

"Saddam realized, this time, the Americans are coming," Mr. Sada said. "They handed over the weapons of mass destruction to the Syrians."
END ARTICLE---

Isn't this evidence a little more damning than just saying it's all Bush's fault for purely political reasons?