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Half of your deficit problem is the tax rate

Me and my wife are in the 28 percent and we did not make

25 million dollars like romney did while he paid 14 percent tax rate

[SKINNYPIG]

Half of your deficit problem is the tax rate

Me and my wife are in the 28 percent and we did not make

25 million dollars like romney did while he paid 14 percent tax rate

Personally, I think frivolous spending is 75% of the deficit problem. The other 25% of the problem I put on our current tax system. Stop the spending, reform our tax system to the Fair Tax or flat tax, get rid of the IRS and all the loopholes within it, and we're off to solving our deficit problems. Just my opinion.

[TheRealVille]

Help him do what? Where has Obama made any genuine effort to compromise with Republicans in the Senate? When you vote for liberals in Congress, do you expect them to rubberstamp a right wing legislative agenda when there is a Republican in the White House?

Republicans were able to find common ground with Bill Clinton even as they worked on impeaching him for lying under oath to a federal judge. George W. Bush was even able to work with Congressional Democrats to pass legislation such as the No Child Left Behind act, despite substantial opposition from conservatives in his party.

Obama is a hard core socialist who has done nothing but antagonize his political opponents in Congress. To expect Republicans to toss their core prinicples to the wind so that Obama can undermine our capitalist economy and grow the federal government at breakneck speed is a liberal pipe dream.

Speaking of that, didn't they get all the BS started when they took it upon themselves to pry into his personal life and try to make it an issue before he lied?

[TheRealVille]

You DO NOT have the first clue as to what you are talking about. If you were in business or running a business, you would know how devastated the local economy really is. If it is so good, why is just about every independent small business owner in every sector , shutting their doors. In what I do, there is no independent in the state of Kentucky that is bigger, and right now the enviroment is the worst I have seen in my almost 30 years in business. Mines are already starting to lay off too. Some may be going gung-ho for right right now, but that is soon to end when their current permits run out. Like I said, the signs are already indicating a future nose dive. Are you aware that the price of coal has dropped down into the 60's now? There comes a point that you can't keep running when it costs more to produce than what the market pays. It's all cyclical and it's not going to be long before they start shutting them down for that reason as well. Booth is one of the very few that will survive IMO, and a lot of that is due to his diversification in other associated industries. You're just kidding yourself kid, if you want to believe the propaganda that the media spews out. It's BAD kid. It's really BAD. And kid, it's going to get even worse around here.

Doing a little deducing from your previous posts about diesel and trucks(not being coal trucks), plus living in Paintsville, it's looks like you are Kentucky's biggest independent milk man, or tire peddler. The biggest independent business owner of your kind in Kentucky, right here in Paintsville? Isn't Paintsville lucky to have such a large business right here amongst us. All the time I thought you were a lawyer, I thought it was your grandson that egged my truck, causing me 500 dollars damage out of my pocket. Boy, I was way off.

[TheRealVille]

Doing a little deducing from your previous posts about diesel and trucks(not being coal trucks), plus living in Paintsville, it's looks like you are Kentucky's biggest independent milk man, or tire peddler. The biggest independent business owner of your kind in Kentucky, right here in Paintsville? Isn't Paintsville lucky to have such a large business right here amongst us. All the time I thought you were a lawyer, I thought it was your grandson that egged my truck, causing me 500 dollars damage out of my pocket. Boy, I was way off.

thought = wondered if in this post.

[Hoot Gibson]

Speaking of that, didn't they get all the BS started when they took it upon themselves to pry into his personal life and try to make it an issue before he lied?

No, that is actually not what happened unless by "they," you mean Paula Corbin Jones. Jones had sued Clinton on Jones filed a sexual harassment suit against Clinton on 5/6/94.

After Clinton's army of lawyers successfully denied Jones her day in court until the U. S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that Jones had the right to sue a sitting president on 1/13/97. On 11/13/98, Clinton agreed to settle the case with Jones for $850,000. In April, 1999, Clinton was found guilty of civil contempt of court and ordered to pay a fine of $90,000. The judge also contacted the Arkansas Bar about Clinton's disgraceful conduct in her presence. On 1/19/01, Clinton signed an agreement with the Arkansas Bar Association that stripped him of his license to practice law for 5 years.

BTW, it is also worth noting that the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal did not become known to the public until 1998.

I love how liberals always try to revise history by claiming that Clinton was impeached over sex, which they regard a private matter, unless the scandal involves a Republican. While it is true that other women besides Jones accused Clinton of groping them, sexual harassment, and rape, and it is true that he was rightly criticized and ridiculed by Republicans and Democrats over the Lewinsky affair - he was impeached because he lied under oath in the presence of a federal judge.

[TheRealVille]

No, that is actually not what happened unless by "they," you mean Paula Corbin Jones. Jones had sued Clinton on Jones filed a sexual harassment suit against Clinton on 5/6/94.

After Clinton's army of lawyers successfully denied Jones her day in court until the U. S. Supreme Court unanimously ruled that Jones had the right to sue a sitting president on 1/13/97. On 11/13/98, Clinton agreed to settle the case with Jones for $850,000. In April, 1999, Clinton was found guilty of civil contempt of court and ordered to pay a fine of $90,000. The judge also contacted the Arkansas Bar about Clinton's disgraceful conduct in her presence. On 1/19/01, Clinton signed an agreement with the Arkansas Bar Association that stripped him of his license to practice law for 5 years.

BTW, it is also worth noting that the Clinton/Lewinsky scandal did not become known to the public until 1998.
I love how liberals always try to revise history by claiming that Clinton was impeached over sex, which they regard a private matter, unless the scandal involves a Republican. While it is true that other women besides Jones accused Clinton of groping them, sexual harassment, and rape, and it is true that he was rightly criticized and ridiculed by Republicans and Democrats over the Lewinsky affair - he was impeached because he lied under oath in the presence of a federal judge.

But, the republicans tried to make a big deal of the Lewinsky thing, which it was none of their business.
He wasn't impeached over sex, but he was impeached over trying to lie about the sex, of which the republicans were trying to make a big deal of, which wasn't their business. Word twist all you want, Hoot. He was acquitted, BTW. BY law, it didn't happen. I find it funny that of the two impeachments, it was the republicans trying to impeach the President, and neither stuck. As usual, the republicans are the dividers in things. For future reference, the republicans shouldn't try to impeach a President, unless they can make a case.

Bill Clinton, 42nd President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice, on December 19, 1998. Two other impeachment articles, a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power, failed in the House. The charges arose from the Lewinsky scandal and the Paula Jones lawsuit.
Clinton was acquitted by the Senate on February 12, 1999. With a two-thirds majority required for conviction, only 45 senators (out of 100) voted guilty on the perjury charge and 50 on the obstruction charge.[1]
The voting in the House and Senate were largely partisan. In the House, only five Democratic Representatives voted to impeach. In the Senate, which had 55 Republican Senators, none of the Democratic Senators voted for conviction. It was only the second impeachment of a President in American history, the other being that of Andrew Johnson, who was also acquitted by the Senate.

[Wildcatk23]

The Dow Jones Industrial Average broke through to its highest close since May 2008, back before the Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. collapse, as investors increasingly put aside fears of economic calamity and focused again on fundamentals.

News of strong job growth, a three-year low in unemployment and other positive developments Friday pushed the Dow ahead 156.82 points, or 1.23%, to 12862.23, its first triple-digit gain since Jan. 3. The blue-chip index would have to rise just 10% to reach its record close of 14164.53, hit Oct. 9, 2007.

The Nasdaq Composite Index, dominated by surging technology stocks, jumped 1.61% to 2905.66, its highest close since December 2000, as hopes spread that global growth would be strong enough to boost demand for technology gear.

Financial and industrial stocks also posted strong gains on those same economic hopes. Utility stocks, whose dividends make them good investments in a weaker economy—and which led the market amid economic doubts late last year—were among Friday's weaklings.

The Dow's surge is a sign of the extent to which investors have put aside the global fears that gripped them last summer. Then, the Dow fell almost 20%, which would have marked a new bear market.

"People are deciding that it may not be the end of the world after all. They are getting used to the idea that there are some European countries that are struggling but that the U.S. is continuing to plod along," said Janna Sampson, co-chief investment officer at OakBrook Investments, which oversees $2.6 billion in Lisle, Ill.

[TheRealVille]

The Dow Jones Industrial Average broke through to its highest close since May 2008, back before the Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. collapse, as investors increasingly put aside fears of economic calamity and focused again on fundamentals.

News of strong job growth, a three-year low in unemployment and other positive developments Friday pushed the Dow ahead 156.82 points, or 1.23%, to 12862.23, its first triple-digit gain since Jan. 3. The blue-chip index would have to rise just 10% to reach its record close of 14164.53, hit Oct. 9, 2007.

The Nasdaq Composite Index, dominated by surging technology stocks, jumped 1.61% to 2905.66, its highest close since December 2000, as hopes spread that global growth would be strong enough to boost demand for technology gear.

Financial and industrial stocks also posted strong gains on those same economic hopes. Utility stocks, whose dividends make them good investments in a weaker economy—and which led the market amid economic doubts late last year—were among Friday's weaklings.

The Dow's surge is a sign of the extent to which investors have put aside the global fears that gripped them last summer. Then, the Dow fell almost 20%, which would have marked a new bear market.

"People are deciding that it may not be the end of the world after all. They are getting used to the idea that there are some European countries that are struggling but that the U.S. is continuing to plod along," said Janna Sampson, co-chief investment officer at OakBrook Investments, which oversees $2.6 billion in Lisle, Ill.

You know better than to post those lies. We are doomed, WC. Until Obama is gone, all this is just BS liberal propaganda, perpetuated by a liberal media.

[Hoot Gibson]

But, the republicans tried to make a big deal of the Lewinsky thing, which it was none of their business.
He wasn't impeached over sex, but he was impeached over trying to lie about the sex, of which the republicans were trying to make a big deal of, which wasn't their business. Word twist all you want, Hoot. He was acquitted, BTW. BY law, it didn't happen. I find it funny that of the two impeachments, it was the republicans trying to impeach the President, and neither stuck. As usual, the republicans are the dividers in things. For future reference, the republicans shouldn't try to impeach a President, unless they can make a case.

The lesson here is that liberal Democrats will not vote to convict a Democratic president who has obstructed justice and committed perjury. The verdict in the Senate had nothing to do with the facts of the case.

As I explained to you above, Clinton lost his license to practice law, paid a hefty fine for lying under oath, and paid Paula Jones $850,000 in exchange for her agreeing to drop her appeal. The only thing that saved Clinton's skin was the fact that there is no honor among the thieves of the US Senate.

Clinton was acquitted but that verdict was certainly not equivalent to him being found "not guilty." A party that welcomes a lying crook like Eric Holder into its Justice Department cannot be expected to mete out justice.

[TheRealVille]

The lesson here is that liberal Democrats will not vote to convict a president who has obstructed justice and committed perjury. The verdict in the Senate had nothing to do with the facts of the case.

As I explained to you above, Clinton lost his license to practice law, paid a hefty fine for lying under oath, and paid Paula Jones $850,000 in exchange for her agreeing to drop her appeal. The only thing that saved Clinton's skin was the fact that there is no honor among the thieves of the US Senate.

Clinton was acquitted but that verdict was certainly not equivalent to him being found "not guilty."

Lawfully, acquitted means not guilty. You might as well drop it. Oh, I forgot, Clinton is a democrat, it's impossible for you to drop it. Too bad it wasn't a republican, you memory would shorten immensely. :lmao:

[Hoot Gibson]

Lawfully, acquitted means not guilty. You might as well drop it. Oh, I forgot, Clinton is a democrat, it's impossible for you to drop it. Too bad it wasn't a republican, you memory would shorten immensely. :lmao:

No, legally being acquitted in a criminal court means that the government failed to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. Being acquitted by the Senate means that your party has enough political power to keep a crook in the White House.

Contrast that to how Republican Senators walked over to the White House and told Nixon that it was time for him to go. Of course, back then there were also some Democratic statesmen who would not have looked the other way after Clinton committed perjury. And yeah, Nixon was a Republican and he got exactly what he deserved. Too bad your blind partisanship will not allow you to admit that a president who lies under oath in federal court has committed a serious offense - regardless of his party affiliation.

Anyway, Clinton was certainly guilty of lying in the Jones trial and he paid a steep price for it.

[TheRealVille]

No, legally being acquitted in a criminal court means that the government failed to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt. Being acquitted by the Senate means that your party has enough political power to keep a crook in the White House.

Contrast that to how Republican Senators walked over to the White House and told Nixon that it was time for him to go. Of course, back then there were also some Democratic statesmen who would not have looked the other way after Clinton committed perjury. And yeah, Nixon was a Republican and he got exactly what he deserved. Too bad your blind partisanship will not allow you to admit that a president who lies under oath in federal court has committed a serious offense - regardless of his party affiliation.

Anyway, Clinton was certainly guilty of lying in the Jones trial and he paid a steep price for it.

Meaning, not guilty, and unable to try again.

[Hoot Gibson]

Meaning, not guilty, and unable to try again.

Clinton successfully clung to his power but he could have lost the Paula Jones suit had he not been able to pay her off to drop her appeal - just as OJ was acquitted of murder but then found legally responsible for the brutal deaths of two people in a civil lawsuit. Clinton lied under oath and a federal judge smacked him down hard for it.

Clinton will forever be known as an impeached president and five Democrats were honest enough to vote for his impeachment. Still, Clinton was a much better president than Obama has been and at least as honest.

[LWC]

Clinton successfully clung to his power but he could have lost the Paula Jones suit had he not been able to pay her off to drop her appeal - just as OJ was acquitted of murder but then found legally responsible for the brutal deaths of two people in a civil lawsuit. Clinton lied under oath and a federal judge smacked him down hard for it.

Clinton will forever be known as an impeached president and five Democrats were honest enough to vote for his impeachment. Still, Clinton was a much better president than Obama has been and at least as honest.

Agreed.

[Bob Seger]

Doing a little deducing from your previous posts about diesel and trucks(not being coal trucks), plus living in Paintsville, it's looks like you are Kentucky's biggest independent milk man, or tire peddler. The biggest independent business owner of your kind in Kentucky, right here in Paintsville? Isn't Paintsville lucky to have such a large business right here amongst us. All the time I thought you were a lawyer, I thought it was your grandson that egged my truck, causing me 500 dollars damage out of my pocket. Boy, I was way off.

Spread out a tad more than Paintsville, RV.

Lol....I doubt that. My only grandson will just be 2 months old next week.

[Bob Seger]

The Dow Jones Industrial Average broke through to its highest close since May 2008, back before the Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. collapse, as investors increasingly put aside fears of economic calamity and focused again on fundamentals.

News of strong job growth, a three-year low in unemployment and other positive developments Friday pushed the Dow ahead 156.82 points, or 1.23%, to 12862.23, its first triple-digit gain since Jan. 3. The blue-chip index would have to rise just 10% to reach its record close of 14164.53, hit Oct. 9, 2007.

The Nasdaq Composite Index, dominated by surging technology stocks, jumped 1.61% to 2905.66, its highest close since December 2000, as hopes spread that global growth would be strong enough to boost demand for technology gear.

Financial and industrial stocks also posted strong gains on those same economic hopes. Utility stocks, whose dividends make them good investments in a weaker economy—and which led the market amid economic doubts late last year—were among Friday's weaklings.

The Dow's surge is a sign of the extent to which investors have put aside the global fears that gripped them last summer. Then, the Dow fell almost 20%, which would have marked a new bear market.

"People are deciding that it may not be the end of the world after all. They are getting used to the idea that there are some European countries that are struggling but that the U.S. is continuing to plod along," said Janna Sampson, co-chief investment officer at OakBrook Investments, which oversees $2.6 billion in Lisle, Ill.

Here ya go WC. Looks like things look rosey in the mining industry, doesn't it? Like RIUTG mentioned in another post. Wall Street has little to do with Main Street

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11397338/...n-wva.html


I'll also give the latest hot off the press, direct from the barber shop just this morning, where I was privy to the conversation of 4 current coal miners.

Miner #1) We laid off a bunch last night, thankfully wasn't one of them. If they cut again, they'll get to me.

Miner #2) We all got cut back to 40 hours this week.

Miner #3) I got laid off. (he was one of the miners that worked for the company I posted the link to.)

Miner #4) When we work out our permit, I'll be gone too.

You're problem WC is that you dont hang around the barber shop enough. Perhaps you belong to the "hair salon" gang that just watches MSNBC? :biggrin: J/K

[Bob Seger]

^ Here's another one WC.

http://www.dailymail.com/News/breakingnews/201202030125

[Old School]

Here ya go WC. Looks like things look rosey in the mining industry, doesn't it? Like RIUTG mentioned in another post. Wall Street has little to do with Main Street

http://news.yahoo.com/patriot-coal-posts...15010.html


I'll also give the latest hot off the press, direct from the barber shop just this morning, where I was privy to the conversation of 4 current coal miners.

Miner #1) We laid off a bunch last night, thankfully wasn't one of them. If they cut again, they'll get to me.

Miner #2) We all got cut back to 40 hours this week.

Miner #3) I got laid off. (he was one of the miners that worked for the company I posted the link to.)

Miner #4) When we work out our permit, I'll be gone too.

You're problem WC is that you dont hang around the barber shop enough. Perhaps you belong to the hair salon gang that just watches MSNBC? :biggrin: J/K

This may have already been brought up, Patroit Coal idled several mines last week most of these mines were met coal producers or contract mines located in Southern and Central West Virginia and yesterday Alpha announced that they were laying off around 320 miners in Eastern Kentucky and Southern West Virginia and scaling back to 40 hour weeks at other mines.

Some industry leaders are predicting that the down turn in Central Appalachia coal industry will last for the most of 2012.

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
Its the bigger companies that are having trouble right now in mining.
The realitively small coal operations are still okay right now because smaller operations usually have one company they rely on to sale coal to and can always do it wheras the bigger companies spread there coal out in order to get it all sold so when someone quits buying because of being backed up, the bigger comapnies have to lay people off to make up for that loss.

[TheRealVille]

Here ya go WC. Looks like things look rosey in the mining industry, doesn't it? Like RIUTG mentioned in another post. Wall Street has little to do with Main Street

http://www.thestreet.com/story/11397338/...n-wva.html


I'll also give the latest hot off the press, direct from the barber shop just this morning, where I was privy to the conversation of 4 current coal miners.

Miner #1) We laid off a bunch last night, thankfully wasn't one of them. If they cut again, they'll get to me.

Miner #2) We all got cut back to 40 hours this week.

Miner #3) I got laid off. (he was one of the miners that worked for the company I posted the link to.)

Miner #4) When we work out our permit, I'll be gone too.

You're problem WC is that you dont hang around the barber shop enough. Perhaps you belong to the "hair salon" gang that just watches MSNBC? :biggrin: J/K

When consumer usage is down in any industry, layoffs are inevitable. A very mild winter, nationwide, and lower steel making will cause coal usage to go down. Also, natural gas is cheaper right now, so power companies are using it instead of coal.

[Truth]

How many more people dropped out of the job market? That has more to do with "improving" numbers than actual new jobs. These job figures always get a lot of play in the media when they appear favorable to Barry. However, they are preliminary and when the adjusted figures come out no one hears about them.

Can you imagine where Barry would be without the media protectors and cheerleaders?

[Bob Seger]

When consumer usage is down in any industry, layoffs are inevitable. A very mild winter, nationwide, and lower steel making will cause coal usage to go down. Also, natural gas is cheaper right now, so power companies are using it instead of coal.

I understand all of that and I agree with you, but a large part of the blame was for the low demand for metalurgical coal as well as EPA restrictions. Which to me means a low demand for durable goods. You still have to factor in the loss of permits too. Bottom line, it still says that the local economy is paying the price for the decreased demand for coal, whatever the reasons.

[TheRealVille]

How many more people dropped out of the job market? That has more to do with "improving" numbers than actual new jobs. These job figures always get a lot of play in the media when they appear favorable to Barry. However, they are preliminary and when the adjusted figures come out no one hears about them.

Can you imagine where Barry would be without the media protectors and cheerleaders?

Compared to how many new people came into the job market?

[TheRealVille]

Gov. Kasich says Ohio has 86,000 jobs they can't get workers for, and he doesn't want "foreigners"(Kentucky, West Virginia, Indiana) on them.

[TheRealThing]

This is the main reason republicans will not compromise

http://s3.amazonaws.com/atrfiles/files/f...igners.pdf

They will not get another term if they raise tax's

Thanks for confirming all democrats want to do is raise taxes while republicans are trying their best to manage the trillions that come into Washington coffers thereby avoiding the need to to further raise tax revenues past the already opressive levels. I will definitely go along with that!

[TheRealVille]

Obama is going to propose a budget that cuts spending 4T dollars over the next 10 years, yet republicans are already disagreeing with it. Why? Because they hate taxing their buddies more. No matter what he does, even stuff they would normally agree with, they fight him at every step. That's all I hear from republicans, is "cut spending", yet when he wants to do it, they don't want it. One trillion in last summers deal, coupled with 1.5 trillion in new spending cuts, and 1.5 in added taxes on the rich, and the republicans will refuse it. "Save the rich, screw the middle", seems to be the republican way, even when they get the spending cuts they say America needs.

[Old School]

I doubt we will see an approved budget in 2012. Afterall we have yet to have an approved budget during the three years of the Obama administration whcih includes two years where the democarats controlled both the house and senate.

BTW, wasn't a large portion of Obama's 4T tax cuts coming from ending the Iraq war which was never included in the budget?

[TheRealVille]

I doubt we will see an approved budget in 2012. Afterall we have yet to have an approved budget during the three years of the Obama administration whcih includes two years where the democarats controlled both the house and senate.

BTW, wasn't a large portion of Obama's 4T tax cuts coming from ending the Iraq war which was never included in the budget?

If you are referring to his 4T dollar spending cut he is addressing in his budget, the answer is no.

[SKINNYPIG]

Obama is going to propose a budget that cuts spending 4T dollars over the next 10 years, yet republicans are already disagreeing with it. Why? Because they hate taxing their buddies more. No matter what he does, even stuff they would normally agree with, they fight him at every step. That's all I hear from republicans, is "cut spending", yet when he wants to do it, they don't want it. One trillion in last summers deal, coupled with 1.5 trillion in new spending cuts, and 1.5 in added taxes on the rich, and the republicans will refuse it. "Save the rich, screw the middle", seems to be the republican way, even when they get the spending cuts they say America needs.

I would hope that ALL politicians would "hate" taxing their buddies, along with everyone else.