[Bob Seger]

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[Bob Seger]

Urban Sombrero:"You may, and do, disagree with said reason. However, projecting upon one you dislike that which you need them to be sophomoric".

But, if I took your approach, that would be "moronic".

[Bob Seger]

I think the Koch brothers have an agenda. I have not studied Soros closely. My intention was not to compare the Koch Brothers and Soros on moral terms. However, no fair observer would paint halos above the Koch brothers heads.

Surely a guy of your status would not intentionally dodge the question? It's very sophomoric to do such.

[Bob Seger]

Remember, I did not vote for President Obama either time... Scott Baio said that the reason Obama does not say, "radical Islamic terrorist" is because "he is dumb, or an Islamic sympathizer, or a Muslim himself."

In my view, it is fine to disagree with a policy or practice, of course. But the kind of "motive searching" and "smut merchanting" that Baio here engaged in (both parties do it) takes true political debate into "lowest common denominator" realm, and, again, in my view, damages the country ultimately.

What we have here Sombrero, is a pattern developing...Who then?

You gonna dodge this one too?

[Demarcus ware]

I saw Phil Robertson's interview on play back this morning. He was a passionate supporter of Cruz during the primary. He normally speaks little but is concise and to the point. He said that Cruz needs to get over it and move on for the betterment of the party and country. "You (Cruz) lost, he (Trump) won".

I also saw where Heidi Cruz was escorted out of the crowd, with some people yelling "Goldman Sachs" when she passed.

Division is weakening; I hope this party unifies soon.

I don't think any sane person expected Cruz to endorse Trump last night, from what i've seen, the blow up is over the "vote your conscious" remark. Even some donors refused to let Cruz into the donor suite last night when it was over, and then the delegates from Texas yelling at him this morning at their breakfast meeting. If this was his big move for 2020, i'm not sure it's going to work out as well as he thinks. This election has more riding on it than just one man or woman, it has several SCOTUS picks that will affect us quite some time.

When a man that gave $92 million in 2012 refuses you entry into their suite's, you know you've screwed the pooch nicker:

[Pick6]

Some commentators suggest that by Cruz showing his shallowness, his delegates and donors will start to dissociate from him and fully support Trump Cruz also made it known that his "non endorsement" was based upon hurt feelings, not constitutional grounds. Trump was the bigger man by offering an olive branch, and Cruz showed how shallow and self-absorbed he really is.

[Bob Seger]

Some commentators suggest that by Cruz showing his shallowness, his delegates and donors will start to dissociate from him and fully support Trump Cruz also made it known that his "non endorsement" was based upon hurt feelings, not constitutional grounds. Trump was the bigger man by offering an olive branch, and Cruz showed how shallow and self-absorbed he really is.

Is this not the same Ted Cruz that did the dirty dealings to Ben Carson in Iowa and then to Marco Rubio in South Carolina?....He's acting just like one of those "tolerant" liberals...You know, those who can dish it out, but cant take it...

What a sniveling baby him and John Kasich both turned out to be.

[Granny Bear]

Well, Cruz signed the commitment to support whomever was elected. That bothers me a little. Trump questioned it out right at the first, but he eventually agreed to the idea. Cruz signed the commitment, berated Trump for questioning it then ultimately reneged on his promise. I believe that speaks to his character. As much as I hate to think that he isn't a man of his word, his actions speak louder than the New York delegates.

[TheRealThing]

Throw John Kasich into that pile of trash too...Kasich's career is over after his current term.

Agreed. I was actually waiting until the convention actually ended to say it, but there's no point. The next time Cruz gets up and tells us all how much he loves America and how much he owes America, I will mentally round file every word of it. He has the gall to admit he still will not be voting for Trump, which means he's so vindictive he'd rather let Hillary win and poison the Supreme Court for decades to come.

During the debates, I just though Kasich was your typical secular humanist in Republican clothes. Everybody says he's a closet liberal at worst and a RINO at best anyway. But as it turns out, he like Cruz, is a preachy talking snake oil salesman who is much more impressed with himself than his ecumenical façade can conceal. I know this, Kasich was fine with all the fur flying as long as he believed he would be the one there to have the nomination just fall into his lap. It was only after his hang-out strategy did not work, that he suddenly developed these evolved political sensibilities. :please:

I mean, I love the idea that Mike Pence is a Christian first, conservative second and Republican, in that order. But, to say that we Republicans will under no circumstance, accept less than a born again Christian candidate is a lie dreamed up by the likes of Erik Erikson et-al. This is the first election season I've ever heard it suggested as a prerequisite. Now, if we're talking about voting for a pastor at your local Church, that would be the time to speak of being a blameless evangelical, of good repute.

We're extremely fortunate to get a ticket with two very good MEN on it. I'm thrilled, but I'm equally impatient with the hold outs who'd have us believe they travel on some kind of higher spiritual plane. The reality is the border, the illegals, the horror of facing the coming war with a skeletonized military. Not to mention domestic terror on a street near us all, and maybe no guns to defend ourselves. Impossible debt (BTW as things stand, we have hocked every extra dime we could expect to have for these several coming generations). Skyrocketing energy costs associated with the mindless pursuit of clean energy that does not exist. More taxes to pay for free college for the planet. And last but certainly not least, is the specter of 30% of our income being mandated as belonging to the government to pay for ObamaCare.

And not that the list above approaches anything comprehensive, but those who can't translate reality as it stands into a rational vote this fall, well let's just say arguing with them has become a bit taxing. :biggrin:

[64SUR]

Didn't Trump refused to raise his hand in the first debate about the pledge. Just curious to why he change his mind. :pondering: Keep the Republican Party Alive :argue:

[Granny Bear]

Yes he did. He was berated by Cruz, and eventually changed his mind and signed that commitment. I don't know if he would've kept it or not, but I sure know that Cruz isn't going to keep his word.

And while we're talking about character, don't go assassinating Trump's SUR. Not when you are supporting Hillary.
nicker:

[Granny Bear]

I just now saw a video of a man and woman who were trying to set fire to the American flag outside of the Republican Convention. Something went wrong, and the guy actually sat himself on fire.

I wish that didn't make me laugh!

[TheRealThing]

I just now saw a video of a man and woman who were trying to set fire to the American flag outside of the Republican Convention. Something went wrong, and the guy actually sat himself on fire.

I wish that didn't make me laugh!

The guy finally gets his 15 minutes of fame and he sets himself on fire. On a side note, I wonder how much Soros pays for that?

[Demarcus ware]

The guy finally gets his 15 minutes of fame and he sets himself on fire. On a side note, I wonder how much Soros pays for that?

I don't know about at the convention, but he was paying $15/hr for other Trump rally's..

[Bob Seger]

Agreed. I was actually waiting until the convention actually ended to say it, but there's no point. The next time Cruz gets up and tells us all how much he loves America and how much he owes America, I will mentally round file every word of it. He has the gall to admit he still will not be voting for Trump, which means he's so vindictive he'd rather let Hillary win and poison the Supreme Court for decades to come.

During the debates, I just though Kasich was your typical secular humanist in Republican clothes. Everybody says he's a closet liberal at worst and a RINO at best anyway. But as it turns out, he like Cruz, is a preachy talking snake oil salesman who is much more impressed with himself than his ecumenical façade can conceal. I know this, Kasich was fine with all the fur flying as long as he believed he would be the one there to have the nomination just fall into his lap. It was only after his hang-out strategy did not work, that he suddenly developed these evolved political sensibilities. :please:

I mean, I love the idea that Mike Pence is a Christian first, conservative second and Republican, in that order. But, to say that we Republicans will under no circumstance, accept less than a born again Christian candidate is a lie dreamed up by the likes of Erik Erikson et-al. This is the first election season I've ever heard it suggested as a prerequisite. Now, if we're talking about voting for a pastor at your local Church, that would be the time to speak of being a blameless evangelical, of good repute.

We're extremely fortunate to get a ticket with two very good MEN on it. I'm thrilled, but I'm equally impatient with the hold outs who'd have us believe they travel on some kind of higher spiritual plane. The reality is the border, the illegals, the horror of facing the coming war with a skeletonized military. Not to mention domestic terror on a street near us all, and maybe no guns to defend ourselves. Impossible debt (BTW as things stand, we have hocked every extra dime we could expect to have for these several coming generations). Skyrocketing energy costs associated with the mindless pursuit of clean energy that does not exist. More taxes to pay for free college for the planet. And last but certainly not least, is the specter of 30% of our income being mandated as belonging to the government to pay for ObamaCare.

And not that the list above approaches anything comprehensive, but those who can't translate reality as it stands into a rational vote this fall, well let's just say arguing with them has become a bit taxing. :biggrin:

Right on the money you are, TRT.

[64SUR]

Yes he did. He was berated by Cruz, and eventually changed his mind and signed that commitment. I don't know if he would've kept it or not, but I sure know that Cruz isn't going to keep his word.

And while we're talking about character, don't go assassinating Trump's SUR. Not when you are supporting Hillary.
nicker:

Granny Bear the republican had to begged the Donald to run as a republican instead of a Independent or you guys and gals would have been cheering For Cruz tonight. nicker: and Granny Bear :loveya:I'm not assassinating Nobody thank god John Kerry never use 911 victim family when he was running president. :igiveup::igiveup::igiveup:Vote Hillary

[The Urban Sombrero]

That's hogwash. If it were an extremist Christian group he would be on tv everyday screaming about it.

My bigger question is about what happened yesterday, and that being the Obama/Clinton backed rebels beheading children on video because they say, "These are children of Bashar al-Assad". Our leaders or lack thereof are now accessories to beheading 5 year olds. I thought i could see a light at the end of the tunnel with only 6 months left under this regime, but the light got a lot dimmer yesterday when i seen this video. Just think, taxpayers are footing the bill for these killings. Just something else for Americans to be proud of :please:

I disagree. I do not think that President Obama blames Christianity for the McVeigh's and David Dukes and Westboro Baptist Church. Extremists distort, pervert, and bastardize their proclaimed religions, political parties, everything.

[The Urban Sombrero]

⬆⬆ I would remind "Bob Segar" that the two major party candidates aren't the only ones on the ballot usually.

[Bob Seger]

⬆⬆ I would remind "Bob Segar" that the two major party candidates aren't the only ones on the ballot usually.

Right you are. I should have mentioned that there is also usually candidates from the Socialist Party and the Communist Party on the ballot...

Uh, and BTW, not to be too nitpicky here, but the name is spelled S.E.G.E.R.:biggrin:

[64SUR]

IVANKA TRUMP :beg: call me :phone::phone::phone:

[Bob Seger]

I think the Koch brothers have an agenda. I have not studied Soros closely. My intention was not to compare the Koch Brothers and Soros on moral terms. However, no fair observer would paint halos above the Koch brothers heads.

[I]Well hoss, whatcha got???[/I]

[The Urban Sombrero]

[I]Well hoss, whatcha got???[/I]

The Koch brothers spend "homing pigeon" money, as does Soros. They expect that money to return in favors, to fly back in policies that agree with them and that enhance their portfolios. If you think the Koch brothers somehow a different breed from Soros, I think your objectivity has to be questioned. Different political beliefs? Probably. But same ego soaked in power and privilege.

[TheRealThing]

The Koch brothers spend "homing pigeon" money, as does Soros. They expect that money to return in favors, to fly back in policies that agree with them and that enhance their portfolios. If you think the Koch brothers somehow a different breed from Soros, I think your objectivity has to be questioned. Different political beliefs? Probably. But same ego soaked in power and privilege.

Objectivity in our day has become the stuff of subjectivity. You sir, IMHO, are so awash in the koolaid, nearly every view you have posted on here has made you look more like that last cheerleader who though her cohorts have long since dropped their pom-poms, and her team is down by 40, still soldiers on cheering something like hold that line.

Soros is trying to steal our freedom if you ask me, and our nation. So, if you can forgive me. I think maybe one of those carrier pigeons must have flown up your posterior. :biggrin:

[The Urban Sombrero]

Objectivity in our day has become the stuff of subjectivity. You sir, IMHO, are so awash in the koolaid, nearly every view you have posted on here has made you look more like that last cheerleader who though her cohorts have long since dropped their pom-poms, and her team is down by 40, still soldiers on cheering something like hold that line.

Soros is trying to steal our freedom if you ask me, and our nation. So, if you can forgive me. I think maybe one of those carrier pigeons must have flown up your posterior. :biggrin:

Nothing to forgive...if you are somehow suggesting the Koch brothers are of a different breed than Soros, then I question the balance of your research. As for koolaid, I used to like grape to drink, literally. If your research only reaches to secondary source material about what "so and so" believes or has done, how is that not a bit of koolaid guzzling on your part?

[Bob Seger]

The Koch brothers spend "homing pigeon" money, as does Soros. They expect that money to return in favors, to fly back in policies that agree with them and that enhance their portfolios. If you think the Koch brothers somehow a different breed from Soros, I think your objectivity has to be questioned. Different political beliefs? Probably. But same ego soaked in power and privilege.

Now isn't that an informative comeback.How about an example?...You rattle on and on and never say one single thing.

I thought you said you hadn't researched much about George Soros..?

You seem very accustomed to not telling much in the way of the truth, it appears.

[Bob Seger]

Nothing to forgive...if you are somehow suggesting the Koch brothers are of a different breed than Soros, then I question the balance of your research. As for koolaid, I used to like grape to drink, literally. If your research only reaches to secondary source material about what "so and so" believes or has done, how is that not a bit of koolaid guzzling on your part?

Is there a reason why you never answer anything with any substance? Is there a reason why you have to be prodded multiple times just to answer a question?

[Bob Seger]

⬆⬆ I would remind "Bob Segar" that the two major party candidates aren't the only ones on the ballot usually.

Are you are ashamed of indicating who your candidate of choice was then?

[The Urban Sombrero]

Are you are ashamed of indicating who your candidate of choice was then?

Absolutely not: but that is a matter I do not feel compelled to disclose, as it is not germane to this or any other debate. Also, I respond as I have time.

I am not trying to bash the Koch brothers. I am simply suggesting that they, like Soros, give A LOT of money, and expect a return on investment. Of course they have a certain viewppint on America, as does Soros. And, you and I most likely are closer in worldview to one or the other. I wouldn't think specifics needed, as just a bit of research confirms both Soros and Koch brothers are Big Money power players who can pick up a phone and get through to a McConnell or a Biden or a Ryan, or even the President himself.

[The Urban Sombrero]

Now isn't that an informative comeback.How about an example?...You rattle on and on and never say one single thing.

I thought you said you hadn't researched much about George Soros..?

You seem very accustomed to not telling much in the way of the truth, it appears.

Saying one is not an expert or authority on someone is a way of speaking with humility instead of cocksure hubris. I have read after Soros a bit, but I'm no expert. Calling a man a liar is serious business. Tread carefully.

[Bob Seger]

[quote=The Urban Sombrero]Saying one is not an expert or authority on someone is a way of speaking with humility instead of cocksure hubris. I have read after Soros a bit, but I'm no expert. Calling a man a liar is serious business. Tread carefully.[/QUOTE


A man that exhibits the tendency to not twist and spin either his statements or that of another, generally doesn't have very much to worry about when it comes to what another mans perception may be. And further, he should have no reason to be defensive about what he may consider as being "serious business" if he indeed does not have a narrative that he is trying to spin and distort....You agree with that?