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It's like, "I'm not going to post(play) here anymore, I don't have the ability to debate it so I'm going to avoid the topic." It kind of reminds me of a small kid that is puffed up, pouting if you will, yet still hanging around, waiting for someone to beg him to play.
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It's like, "I'm not going to post(play) here anymore, I don't have the ability to debate it so I'm gtooing to avoid the topic." It kind of reminds me of a small kid that is puffed up, pouting if you will, yet still hanging around, waiting for someone to beg him to play.
Not at all. I will continue to post when and what I please. You are old enough to know the difference between right (personal and economic liberty) and wrong (socialism and totalitarianism). You've chosen your side and I have chosen mine.

I am not going waste my time trying to persuade you that in a free society, nobody is entitled to the fruit of other people's labor.

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Not at all. I will continue to post when and what I please. You are old enough to know the difference between right (personal and economic liberty) and wrong (socialism and totalitarianism). You've chosen your side and I have chosen mine.

I am not going waste my time trying to persuade you that in a free society, nobody is entitled to the fruit of other people's labor.
You post what you please and I'll post what I please. Nobody is entitled to the fruit of other people's labor. But if you think the union workers are going to be taken advantage of or that we should just sit back and not do anything about the poor, then you're wrong as wrong gets.
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You post what you please and I'll post what I please. Nobody is entitled to the fruit of other people's labor. But if you think the union workers are going to be taken advantage of or that we should just sit back and not do anything about the poor, then you're wrong as wrong gets.
When you complain about tax cuts, you are saying that it is wrong for people who are working hard and actually paying federal income taxes to keep more of their own money. When taxpayers keep more of their own money, people who are reliant on government assistance are NOT entitled to an increase in benefits.

People who pay no federal income taxes cannot and should not directly benefit from cuts in the federal income tax rates. It is idiotic to argue otherwise. I don't care if you give every cent of your money to poor people, it is wrong of you to force others to do the same.

Creating generations of non-working Americans and convincing them that they are entitled to other people's money is doing them no favors. Government destroys wealth and it strives to keep its dependents dependent. Government handout programs are Democrat voter factories.
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When you complain about tax cuts, you are saying that it is wrong for people who are working hard and actually paying federal income taxes to keep more of their own money. When taxpayers keep more of their own money, people who are reliant on government assistance are NOT entitled to an increase in benefits.

People who pay no federal income taxes cannot and should not directly benefit from cuts in the federal income tax rates. It is idiotic to argue otherwise. I don't care if you give every cent of your money to poor people, it is wrong of you to force others to do the same.

Creating generations of non-working Americans and convincing them that they are entitled to other people's money is doing them no favors. Government destroys wealth and it strives to keep its dependents dependent. Government handout programs are Democrat voter factories.
Yeah, that's why a majority of the country believes that the rich should be taxed at a much higher rate.
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Liberal talking points have got so stupid it's hard to even try to talk to them anymore.
Their crap is so far out there everyone with an IQ over 25 knows better and doesn't want to waste their time with idiots...Anyone who even listens to liberalism for more than 2 minutes either wants free sh!t or a cushy overpaid govt job or power or a combination of the three...
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Liberal talking points have got so stupid it's hard to even try to talk to them anymore.
Their crap is so far out there everyone with an IQ over 25 knows better and doesn't want to waste their time with idiots...Anyone who even listens to liberalism for more than 2 minutes either wants free sh!t or a cushy overpaid govt job or power or a combination of the three...
And that's the problem with people like you. We're going to do the same ol same ol thing that's been proven time and time again to run our country in the ground and not work. Maybe if you saw the struggles unions had and the rich getting more and more power you would think twice before posting something like that.
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Yeah, that's why a majority of the country believes that the rich should be taxed at a much higher rate.
I don't think enjoying the fruits of one's labor means what you think it means. Jetpilot is right about liberal talking points. You don't even understand the words in you own posts or the in the articles to which you link.
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Liberal talking points have got so stupid it's hard to even try to talk to them anymore.
Their crap is so far out there everyone with an IQ over 25 knows better and doesn't want to waste their time with idiots...Anyone who even listens to liberalism for more than 2 minutes either wants free sh!t or a cushy overpaid govt job or power or a combination of the three...
It may surprise you that I agree with you on all counts, including the point about cushy overpaid government jobs. In the past 10 years I have worked as an employee of companies with federal contracts, I have witnessed first hand how out of hand things have gotten with federal employee pay and benefits. I work in the Department of Defense because it allows me to directly support our military. If I could turn back time, I would have probably joined the military.

Unfortunately, the amount of incompetence and waste that I have seen, even among the higher levels of the military grow worse every year. I am not referring to the people in charge of the small department in which I work, but to the policies that are handed down from above.

There are two sets of rules for government workers - one for employees and another for federal contractors. Incompetence among contractors leads to the loss of contracts on a corporate level and a quick termination of employment on the individual level.

Incompetence among federal employees is more likely to result in their promotion as their dismissal. Extreme incompetence gets them transferred to another department or agency. Only the worst of the worst federal employees need fear the loss of their jobs.

That is why I am in favor of outlawing public sector unions at all levels. All they do is bilk taxpayers and deliver votes to liberal Democrat Party politicians, who in turn reward them with pay hikes, great pensions, and iron clad job security. It is a vicious cycle that has drained trillions of dollars from local, state, and local taxpayers.

I can't speak for how federal contractors are treated in other parts of the federal government, but in my office, we are held to a much higher performance standard than federal employees performing the same jobs would be - and I am not complaining, every employee should be held accountable for his or her job performance. The federal government is beyond broke and taxpayers deserve more for their money than what they are getting.
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Not at all. I will continue to post when and what I please. You are old enough to know the difference between right (personal and economic liberty) and wrong (socialism and totalitarianism). You've chosen your side and I have chosen mine.

I am not going waste my time trying to persuade you that in a free society, nobody is entitled to the fruit of other people's labor.
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You post what you please and I'll post what I please. Nobody is entitled to the fruit of other people's labor. But if you think the union workers are going to be taken advantage of or that we should just sit back and not do anything about the poor, then you're wrong as wrong gets.


The United States spends above 60% of her total annual budget on 'helping' the so-called poor. MOST of the individual State Governments deduct somewhere around 5 to 8% of earnings for their cut; along with property tax and sales tax. All toll a whopping state tax bill most of which is spent, 'helping the poor.' In the name of 'helping the poor' ObamaCare further stretched the concept of giving our fair share by quadrupling the cost of healthcare for the average paying American. Churches spend a like amount to the federal government (the 60% range) of their total contributions in ministering to the poor and the lost. On top of that in active existence, there are one and a half million charitable organizations operating in the US alone, 'helping the poor.' And not that it's any business of mine, but I have a sincere doubt that Sci-Fi's personal sacrifice in coming to the aid of the poor, approaches anything remotely near the 60% threshold. At any rate I can tell you, many Americans give somewhat liberally to the Church, (10%) they also give to charity, and I can assure that Uncle Sam and the occupant of the Governor's Mansion make very sure that the people of relative substance give an amount commensurate to satisfy government's vision of what is fair. (about 33 to 40%) Now you add all that up and you will see that most working Americans give more to others than they keep for themselves.

So one might understand how listening to and reading the absurd statements made by bozos like yourself, going on continually about the poor and how they need so much, is nauseating. You all are a bunch of front men for the DNC, justifying their mission in the perpetual parroting of the official DNC sanctioned talking points. And in doing so you aid in their taking from folks as much as they can possibly tax. If you want to do more, then by all means open your checkbook and get to it. In the meantime in my book, the able bodied among the welfare crowd can march themselves out in the early am and get a job working at something other than their zombie kill count.

Your advocacy for the poor is not even a conviction of your own. You came by it vicariously via your daily infused subscription of the MSNBC supplied DNC talking points. And the reason I know this is as follows. This whole late breaking help the poor movement is a liberal aberration which started back in the days of the LBJ Administration. Tax and spend liberal Democrats have been using the guise as cover since way back then and as the circus debates of the last two evenings clearly demonstrate, the absurdity of the notion has only gotten worse and worse. America has always helped her poor. They don't need Johnnies come after it's all over telling them what they need to give. But very soon now, the communist pipe dream of a guaranteed carefree life, lived in an environment completely regulated and controlled government will be the promise. That promise will be made by the very vacuous and inexperienced liberal chipmunks which a scant few years ago sat in their college classrooms, being indoctrinated by the likes of Elizabeth Warren. So you see sir, I saw the whole hyperbolic avalanche of faked compassion, from it's LBJ infancy to it's present day ridiculousness. Again, ridiculousness as on display in the Democrat manifestos of the past two evenings.


In my opinion friendo, you're the one whose as wrong as wrong gets. Now, whatcha got to say to that brother ali?
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The United States spends above 60% of her total annual budget on 'helping' the so-called poor. MOST of the individual State Governments deduct somewhere around 5 to 8% of earnings for their cut; along with property tax and sales tax. All toll a whopping state tax bill most of which is spent, 'helping the poor.' In the name of 'helping the poor' ObamaCare further stretched the concept of giving our fair share by quadrupling the cost of healthcare for the average paying American. Churches spend a like amount to the federal government (the 60% range) of their total contributions in ministering to the poor and the lost. On top of that in active existence, there are one and a half million charitable organizations operating in the US alone, 'helping the poor.' And not that it's any business of mine, but I have a sincere doubt that Sci-Fi's personal sacrifice in coming to the aid of the poor, approaches anything remotely near the 60% threshold. At any rate I can tell you, many Americans give somewhat liberally to the Church, (10%) they also give to charity, and I can assure that Uncle Sam and the occupant of the Governor's Mansion make very sure that the people of relative substance give an amount commensurate to satisfy government's vision of what is fair. (about 33 to 40%) Now you add all that up and you will see that most working Americans give more to others than they keep for themselves.

So one might understand how listening to and reading the absurd statements made by bozos like yourself, going on continually about the poor and how they need so much, is nauseating. You all are a bunch of front men for the DNC, justifying their mission in the perpetual parroting of the official DNC sanctioned talking points. And in doing so you aid in their taking from folks as much as they can possibly tax. If you want to do more, then by all means open your checkbook and get to it. In the meantime in my book, the able bodied among the welfare crowd can march themselves out in the early am and get a job working at something other than their zombie kill count.

Your advocacy for the poor is not even a conviction of your own. You came by it vicariously via your daily infused subscription of the MSNBC supplied DNC talking points. And the reason I know this is as follows. This whole late breaking help the poor movement is a liberal aberration which started back in the days of the LBJ Administration. Tax and spend liberal Democrats have been using the guise as cover since way back then and as the circus debates of the last two evenings clearly demonstrate, the absurdity of the notion has only gotten worse and worse. America has always helped her poor. They don't need Johnnies come after it's all over telling them what they need to give. But very soon now, the communist pipe dream of a guaranteed carefree life, lived in an environment completely regulated and controlled government will be the promise. That promise will be made by the very vacuous and inexperienced liberal chipmunks which a scant few years ago sat in their college classrooms, being indoctrinated by the likes of Elizabeth Warren. So you see sir, I saw the whole hyperbolic avalanche of faked compassion, from it's LBJ infancy to it's present day ridiculousness. Again, ridiculousness as on display in the Democrat manifestos of the past two evenings.


In my opinion friendo, you're the one whose as wrong as wrong gets. Now, whatcha got to say to that brother ali?
I'd love to see the proof for this. Me doth think that you might have mixed that up with our overwhelming budget on the military.
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I'd love to see the proof for this. Me doth think that you might have mixed that up with our overwhelming budget on the military.


It's for you to do your own work and refute my figures with something other than feelings. Past that, the mixed up thing is on your part as that comes into play applicable to the military budget.

The freebie playhouse or as some like to call it, the United States of America, is made up of more than just things like 250 dollar tennis shoes, free food, free health care and free cell phones for all. Some of us have to pay taxes in order to provide all that and then there is the country to run. Part of running the country according to the Constitution, is to provide for the 'common defense' of the land. More in detail for the sake of argumentative libs is as follows; "the Constitution promised that the new national government would protect every state and every citizen within the nation" from threats foreign and domestic.

Laying aside for the moment the fact that these guarantees and privileges are inexplicably now extended to those comprising the flood of illegal immigrants over which oversight is presently provided by our own government; Flood waters are nonetheless an example of things which are "overwhelming." Flood walls and levees on the other hand, are examples of things which hold back flood waters thusly preventing them from overwhelming those who live behind such conveniences. Now I know that for La-La-Landers such as yourself, the idea that there are military and other threats to our existence from enemies foreign and domestic, is as foreign an idea as going to work in the morning in pursuit of one's self sufficiency. Notwithstanding, most people understand and agree that a strong military is one of the prime requisites for America's continued existence. Said existence again, is not provided for by those who do not contribute anything to the 'common good' via tax dollars OR military service BTW, and as such the freedoms and safety provided constitute two of the more remarkable freebies for the poor that we're talking about.
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It's for you to do your own work and refute my figures with something other than feelings. Past that, the mixed up thing is on your part as that comes into play applicable to the military budget.

The freebie playhouse or as some like to call it, the United States of America, is made up of more than just things like 250 dollar tennis shoes, free food, free health care and free cell phones for all. Some of us have to pay taxes in order to provide all that and then there is the country to run. Part of running the country according to the Constitution, is to provide for the 'common defense' of the land. More in detail for the sake of argumentative libs is as follows; "the Constitution promised that the new national government would protect every state and every citizen within the nation" from threats foreign and domestic.

Laying aside for the moment the fact that these guarantees and privileges are inexplicably now extended to those comprising the flood of illegal immigrants over which oversight is presently provided by our own government; Flood waters are nonetheless an example of things which are "overwhelming." Flood walls and levees on the other hand, are examples of things which hold back flood waters thusly preventing them from overwhelming those who live behind such conveniences. Now I know that for La-La-Landers such as yourself, the idea that there are military and other threats to our existence from enemies foreign and domestic, is as foreign an idea as going to work in the morning in pursuit of one's self sufficiency. Notwithstanding, most people understand and agree that a strong military is one of the prime requisites for America's continued existence. Said existence again, is not provided for by those who do not contribute anything to the 'common good' via tax dollars OR military service BTW, and as such the freedoms and safety provided constitute two of the more remarkable freebies for the poor that we're talking about.
What's so bad about these necessities that are provided by the government? Would you rather us be a land where people starve? Plus you mention freedom and safety, without the government we wouldn't have either. They defend our rights and they are the provider of our safety for over 200 years.
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What's so bad about these necessities that are provided by the government? Would you rather us be a land where people starve? Plus you mention freedom and safety, without the government we wouldn't have either. They defend our rights and they are the provider of our safety for over 200 years.


What I am about to say would not apply to legitimates, who through no fault of their own fall into the national safety net.

But for those who're not either temporarily laid off or legitimately unemployed, I believe requiring some kind of work in order to receive benefits would restore honor to the country and to those individuals on welfare. Further, the never or seldom employed young and virile who seem to be otherwise inescapably beset with listlessness, should be required to serve in the US military (in some form), when called upon. Doing nothing and yet expecting to be supported is an option which shouldn't even be on the table.
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What I am about to say would not apply to legitimates, who through no fault of their own fall into the national safety net.

But for those who're not either temporarily laid off or legitimately unemployed, I believe requiring some kind of work in order to receive benefits would restore honor to the country and to those individuals on welfare. Further, the never or seldom employed young and virile who seem to be otherwise inescapably beset with listlessness, should be required to serve in the US military (in some form), when called upon. Doing nothing and yet expecting to be supported is an option which shouldn't even be on the table.
I'd rather people be doing nothing and to be getting money than for people that are trying to starve. Honestly, the number of people that take advantage are SUCH a small portion. When Obama got into office and benefits were expanded we saw the number of people on assistance go down almost immediately. The more of a boost people have, the better it is for their lives and for the economy as it puts them in a stronger position to find work.
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I'd rather people be doing nothing and to be getting money than for people that are trying to starve. Honestly, the number of people that take advantage are SUCH a small portion. When Obama got into office and benefits were expanded we saw the number of people on assistance go down almost immediately. The more of a boost people have, the better it is for their lives and for the economy as it puts them in a stronger position to find work.


Really? You can try to boost a slug I suppose, but in the end all you get is slimed for your trouble.
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To the OP...

Did you have any earned income in 2018? Do you have any children?

If the answer to is yes to the first question, or to both... do you mind posting your adjusted gross income and total federal taxes paid for me to review? I'm not asking for a photocopy of your 1040 or your W2. Just two basic numbers... your AIG, and your taxes paid. (I don't care about your refund or liability for years end. If you play your cards right, you'd adjust your W4 in a manner that would give you a near zero balance at years end.)

We can break down your tax cut/hike based upon that, comparing it against your 2017 return.

I'm anxious to see if received any benefit from the Tax Cut.
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