[Hoot Gibson]

you get the ideal what's been going on for the last 30 or so years

the republican's are like a big elephant but the democrat's are

realiy like the little guy with a shovel because there alway's

going in behind them with a shovel to clean up all the mess

when they leave

This is more like it. I can tell that this is your original work because of the plethora of grammatical and spelling errors. Are you posting from your cell phone?

[vector]

EVERYTING I POSTED ABOVE IS THE TRUTH

about the spelling i'am just an old coal miner with a

8th grade education i don't have no college degree

that the big bad government helped me with

[Hoot Gibson]

EVERYTING I POSTED ABOVE IS THE TRUTH

about the spelling i'am just an old coal miner with a

8th grade education i don't have no college degree

that the big bad government helped me with

Looks like a bad clone of another poster to me. I believe that you did not get the benefit of a quality education. That is a pretty common problem among the active liberal posters on this board. As for the rest of your story, I don't think plagiarists have much credibility.

[vector]

see that's the problem with the republicans today government helped
them but they don't want them to help anybody else i got mine so
screw everbody else

well hoot did bush sr or reagan ask for congress approvel

and be careful who you pick as friends they could be your
enemy

[Hoot Gibson]

see that's the problem with the republicans today government helped
them but they don't want them to help anybody else i got mine so
screw everbody else

well hoot did bush sr or reagan ask for congress approvel

and be careful who you pick as friends they could be your
enemy

I am finished responding to you, vector. Pull your clone act on somebody else. I have no respect for people who create bogus accounts and deliberately misspell and make their posts hard to read. If you want to debate with me, drop the act, or return to school to complete your education. Better yet, do both - but I suggest finding a new school.

[vector]

i hope everybody on this board finaly learns what you are

all about

still waiting on congress aproval

you talk out of both sides your mouth

[Hoot Gibson]

[INDENT]Good-bye to Libya's old thugocracy and hello to the new, Islamist one. Democracy is not compatible with sharia law. Islamist religious thugs get the final say on all government decisions. Only the names have changed.[INDENT]

Libya NTC head Jalil pledges to uphold Islamic law

BENGHAZI, Libya (Reuters) - Libya's National Transitional Council leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil kneeled in prayer after taking the stand in a celebration of liberation on Sunday after 42 years of one-man rule by Muammar Gaddafi and promised to uphold Islamic law.

"We as a Muslim nation have taken Islamic sharia as the source of legislation, therefore any law that contradicts the principles of Islam is legally nullified," he said.

Jalil thanked the Arab League, the United Nations, and the European Union for supporting the uprising which ended with Gaddafi's death Thursday.

[/INDENT][/INDENT]

[Wildcatk23]

In a civilized country that is exactly what happens. Maybe a jury (or military court-martial panel) would find the shooter not guilty or decide to sentence him to a minimal prison term but when laws are broken, there should be a process to dispense justice.

Are you familiar with Allan West's experience in Iraq involving his intimidation of a prisoner? Col. West made a command decision to violate the rules of engagement in an attempt to gain safety for the troops under his command. He threatened the prisoner and fired his pistol near the prisoner's head to elicit information about the location of his comrades, who had attacked Col. West's unit moments before.

When West returned to his base, he immediately informed his commander that he had violated the Uniform Code of Military Justice in an effort to protect his men. West later faced an Article 15 action, was fined $5,000, and retired from the Army. He later said that faced with the same decision again, he "would walk through hell with a gasoline can to protect his men." He knowingly violated the rules but immediately confessed and accepted the consequences of his actions.

Discipline is extremely important in the military and it is important that everybody from the top to the bottom of the chain of command understand that fact. Our military has a very complex justice system that parallels our civil justice system.

The Libyan rebels don't have the benefit of an established UCMJ but not shooting prisoners in the head is a pretty basic and widely accepted principle of managing POWs.

And you think this was done because we are a civilized country? This was done because people in fancy suites have no idea what its like to be in combat or a war. Its stupidity to treat are soldiers as if there criminals when there out there every day fighting for each other and our freedom. You think its right to fine someone 5000 and kick them out of the military because he wanted to save his comrades? That doesn't make your country civilized. That makes them ignorant.

[vector]

STILL waiting on congress approval

if that's what the people of liyba want then so be it

[Hoot Gibson]

And you think this was done because we are a civilized country? This was done because people in fancy suites have no idea what its like to be in combat or a war. Its stupidity to treat are soldiers as if there criminals when there out there every day fighting for each other and our freedom. You think its right to fine someone 5000 and kick them out of the military because he wanted to save his comrades? That doesn't make your country civilized. That makes them ignorant.

Yes, I think that Col. West did the honorable thing. The code for the treatment of POWs was not written for the benefit of the suites[sic], it was written because because the US wants its own troops who are captured in war to be treated humanely. I have never heard or read a quote where Col. West has ever complained about the military justice system. He knew that his actions would have consequences and he acted in the best interests of the men in his command and voluntarily accepted those consequences.

I am not a lawyer but I am very familiar with the way that the Army's military justice system works. Col. West could have been tried by a general court-martial and dismissed from the Army, but commanders and court-martial convening authorities are given broad discretionary powers. The fact that Col. West immediately reported his actions to his commanding officer no doubt weighed heavily in him avoiding a court-martial. He was treated fairly and in accordance with the law. An Article 15 action does not allow for punitive discharges (of enlisted men and women) or dismissals (in the case of officers). Compared to a general court-martial, an Article 15 is a slap on the wrist.

IMO, there is an excellent chance that Col. West will someday be president and I will welcome a chance to vote for him. We could use a president who understands our military and respects the laws that govern it. The fact that he is a phenomenal public speaker (without the benefit of a teleprompter) will not hurt his chances and I think that most people will view his military record as a major asset.

[Deathstar 80]

[INDENT]Good-bye to Libya's old thugocracy and hello to the new, Islamist one. Democracy is not compatible with sharia law. Islamist religious thugs get the final say on all government decisions. Only the names have changed.[INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT]

Hoot Gibson, from what little I understand about shariah law, it doesn't include women's rights or even human rights. Only from what I've heard, it encourages violence in some ways, such as cutting off the hand of thieves. Do you know if this is true or not?

And to vundy33, just to clarify my earlier posts, this is why I think the change in government is bad. If I'm correct about shariah law, Libya isn't going to have true freedom. They're going to have Islamic shariah law, which to my understanding is very bad.

[Hoot Gibson]

This may come as a total shock to some people.

Libyan rebel: I killed Gaddafi
Man confesses on camera to shooting Libyan leader twice in head and chest

[Hoot Gibson]

Hoot Gibson, from what little I understand about shariah law, it doesn't include women's rights or even human rights. Only from what I've heard, it encourages violence in some ways, such as cutting off the hand of thieves. Do you know if this is true or not?

And to vundy33, just to clarify my earlier posts, this is why I think the change in government is bad. If I'm correct about shariah law, Libya isn't going to have true freedom. They're going to have Islamic shariah law, which to my understanding is very bad.

Interpretations of sharia law varies depending on which sect of Muslims are applying it. Thieves have had limbs amputated and adulterers have been stoned to death but those are extreme cases. Currently, the Saudis and the Taliban have some of the harshest applications of sharia law.

A few months ago, I had a conversation with an Egyptian restaurant manager and a young, attractive American woman at a wine tasting event in Arlington. The woman had just returned from Egypt and was complaining about how crude and common flirtations by Egyptian men were compared to Italians who she had encountered on another trip. The restaurant owner warned her very sternly that Egypt is not a safe country for western women to visit alone and that she should never go out in public there without a group of friends. He said that sexual assaults against unescorted women are common and if they file complaints, judges generally just laugh at them. The penalties for sexual assaults are very harsh under sharia law but the threshold of proof is also extremely high. Multiple witnesses are required, so a careful rapist or one with several dishonest friends can and do often get away with their crimes.

[nky]

In a civilized society vigilante justice has no place no matter how vile the accused person maybe

[vector]

still waiting on congress aproval:biglmao:

[TheRealVille]

I think Gaddafi would be touched that some of the conservatives are taking up for him in death. I wonder if he would have spared your life's? I wonder if the families of the thousands upon thousands that he has killed would agree with you?

[Amun-Ra]

Gaddafi might have not have been the best dictator in the world, but his rule was better than Sharia Law rule. Oh yeah, the new transitioanl leader in Libya says that all law in Libya will now be based on Islamic Law.

You tell me which was worse for Libya.

[nky]

In the early morning hours of October 25, 1983, the United States invaded the small Caribbean nation of Grenada
Reagan attempted to confuse the American people and the world by claiming that the Grenadian government was in fact building that the Soviet and Cuban military base in the Caribbean region. That was totally false. Also by using the fact that there were American medical students on the island, claiming that their lives were threatened by the Grenadian authorities. That was totally false
Reagan didn't ask congress for approval to put troops in Grenada

On December 20, 1989, over 27,000 U.S. troops invaded the small Central American country of Panama.
The U.S. President, then George Bush, Sr., said he was removing an evil dictator, General Manuel Noriega, who was brutalizing his own people.
Meanwhile, this same Noriega was actually on the CIA payroll (right up to invasion), and the main reason for the invasion was to make sure that the Panama Canal remained under U.S. imperialist conrol.
Bush Sr didn't ask congress for approval to put troops in panama
Despite his involvement with drugs, at least until his indictment in 1988,
Noriega was considered by the United States both as an asset and a liability. When he committed crimes and abused his power, Washington looked the other way.

United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War,
as a counterbalance to post-revolutionary Iran, included
several billion dollars worth of economic aid, the sale of
dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military
intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct
involvement in warfare against Iran.
Support from the U.S. for Iraq was not a secret and was
frequently discussed in open session of the Senate and
House of Representatives. On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel
reported on ABC's Nightline, "It is becoming increasingly
clear that George Bush, operating largely behind the scenes
throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of the
financing, intelligence, and military help that built Saddam's
Iraq into" the power it became and "Reagan/Bush administrations
permitted—and frequently encouraged—the flow of money, agricultural
credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq.

In mid-1980, about the same time as the Soviet Union deployed troops into Afghanistan, the United States began giving several hundred million dollars a year in aid to the Afghan Mujahideen insurgents fighting the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan and the Soviet Army in Operation Cyclone. Along with native Afghan mujahideen were Muslim volunteers from other countries, popularly known as Afghan Arabs. The most famous of the Afghan Arabs was Osama bin Laden, known at the time as a wealthy and pious Saudi who provided his own money and helped raise millions from other wealthy Gulf Arabs

under the War Powers Resolution none of these required Congressional approval. Granada and Panama both were under the 90 day requirement:Thumbs:

[Bob Seger]

EVERYTING I POSTED ABOVE IS THE TRUTH

about the spelling i'am just an old coal miner with a

8th grade education i don't have no college degree

that the big bad government helped me with

Well now, I cant say that I am not a little shocked. I would never have guessed that you had a formal education of that extent. Based on your posts, It seems that it's very difficult for you to even put two or three sentences together that can be understood. I was guessing you would be more on line of a 3rd or 4th grader, and guessing that you had to repeat the 1st grade twice.

[TheRealVille]

under the War Powers Resolution none of these required Congressional approval. Granada and Panama both were under the 90 day requirement:Thumbs:

You sure it isn't 60 days?

[TheRealVille]

May 20, 2011 7:14pm
White House on War Powers Deadline: ‘Limited’ US Role in Libya Means No Need to Get Congressional Authorization

In an effort to satisfy those arguing he needs to seek congressional authorization to continue US military activity in accordance with the War Powers Resolution, President Obama wrote a letter to congressional leaders this afternoon suggesting that the role is now so “limited” he does not need to seek congressional approval.
“Since April 4,” the president wrote, “U.S. participation has consisted of: (1) non-kinetic support to the NATO-led operation, including intelligence, logistical support, and search and rescue assistance; (2) aircraft that have assisted in the suppression and destruction of air defenses in support of the no-fly zone; and (3) since April 23, precision strikes by unmanned aerial vehicles against a limited set of clearly defined targets in support of the NATO-led coalition's efforts.”
A senior administration official told ABC News that the letter is intended to describe “a narrow US effort that is intermittent and principally an effort to support to support the ongoing NATO-led and UN-authorized civilian support mission and no fly zone.”
“The US role is one of support,” the official said, “and the kinetic pieces of that are intermittent.”
From the beginning of the U.S. military intervention in Libya, the Obama administration has cited the 1973 War Powers Act as the legal basis of its ability to conduct military activities for 60 days without first seeking a declaration of war from Congress. The military intervention started on March 19; Congress was notified on March 21. Those 60 days expire today.
[COLOR="Red"]The president thanked the congressional leaders – House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky — for the support that they have “demonstrated for this mission and for our brave service members, as well as your strong condemnation of the Qaddafi regime.”
The president voiced support for a bipartisan resolution drafted by Senators John Kerry, D-Mass., John McCain, R-Ariz., Carl Levin, D-Mich., Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., Lindsey Graham, R-SC, and Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.,[/COLOR] stating that Congress “supports the U.S. mission in Libya and that both branches are united in their commitment to supporting the aspirations of the Libyan people for political reform and self-government…Congressional action in support of the mission would underline the U.S. commitment to this remarkable international effort.”
Earlier this month, Kerry – who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee – described his resolution as “in limbo.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...nal-autho/

[nky]

You sure it isn't 60 days?

60 days of combat plus 30 days of "withdraw"

[TheRealVille]

60 days of combat plus 30 days of "withdraw"

I saw that after looking closer. At any rate, he had congressional support on this mission.

[SKINNYPIG]

The democrats and the liberals were wanting Bush & Chaney jailed for the way Sadam was killed. They will turn coat as soon as a republican pulls this same stunt. Two Faced extrodinaire.

[nky]

I saw that after looking closer. At any rate, he had congressional support on this mission.

support yes, passed resolution no

[sherman14]

To the people that credit the deaths of Osama and Gadhafi to Obama. Your idiots. Obama did absolutely nothing to kill these evil dictators. The greatest fighting force in the world killed these men, not Obama. If you credit him for these two men can I credit George W. Bush on the killing of Sadam?

[TheRealVille]

support yes, passed resolution no

No hostilities means no resolution. Don't you think Boner and the boys would have his ass if they had a leg to stand on?

[nky]

No hostilities means no resolution. Don't you think Boner and the boys would have his ass if they had a leg to stand on?

If you mean Speaker of the House Boehner, he was part of the group that was willing to pass a resolution but none was presented to the house or senate. Firing missles seems like hostilities to me, since I've never heard of firing Tomahawks at people just for kicks and giggles. But frankly I couldn't give a rats you know what over Libya or whether he had the right authorization to do what happened or even that Qaddafi is dead. This country has bigger issues to solve

[TheRealVille]

http://jurist.org/forum/2011/03/the-pres...ne-yet.php


Notice that your guys hero, Ronald Reagan, used the basically same circumstances that Obama and didn't get a Congressional resolution when he did airstrikes on Libya in '88.

[Hoot Gibson]

I think Gaddafi would be touched that some of the conservatives are taking up for him in death. I wonder if he would have spared your life's? I wonder if the families of the thousands upon thousands that he has killed would agree with you?

What part of he should have received a trial before he was hanged or shot dead do you not understand? It seemed like pretty simple, straight forward language when I first composed it.