[WideRight05]

^ Agreed. I looked at your website posts TRV...but most of the points Hoot Gibson just mentioned I was going to shoot your direction.

I cracked up when I saw how much the health care bill would "save" our country money financially. They certainly didn't take the time to look at the REAL cost of it.

But seriously man, explain to me when you think this guy will be a better choice than Romney. I'm not a Romney fan at all. I'm choosing the lesser of two evils. But the debt has soared, I certainly don't see gas prices dropping, everything is getting sky high price-wise and I certainly don't see that going down anytime soon. Using links from his own site doesn't cut it.

[TheRealThing]

These allegations are false. Romney acts too much like a wuss to be a bully. Most of those prep schools are full of spoiled rich kids. With that being said, I will still vote for Romney as we need a change fast and he appears to be our only alternative. It is a shame that politics has come to voting for the "lesser of two evils". I did that in the last governor's election voting Democrat and now I am going to do it in the presidential election voting Republican.

That's the best you can ever hope for. However, in the event an extremist gets elected, in this case a left wing extremist, we see the obvious result. It's been chaos. Clinton got reelected by moderating back to the right, Obama just aint about to do that.

[TheRealThing]

The problem that anybody who is actively campaigning for Obama, such as RV, vector, and Billy, who accept the administration's statistics as rock solid, is that with just a little bit of digging through the same reports it becomes obvious to any fair-minded person that there are fewer people in the work force and fewer people who, are in fact working, today than when Obama took the oath of office. As John Adams said, "Facts are stubborn things," so Obama supporters just ignore them.To make the case that Obama was worked miracles with the economy requires a willing - err... an extremely eager suspension of disbelief, and a heavy dose of very careful cherry picking.

Isn't that the truth! I believe folks already have their minds made up about the coming presidential election. The democrat's lies have not yet begun to hit stride, that's for sure. The George W Era, was not your average eight year walk through American history. We had over 3 trillion in real loss, as the result of 9/11, and let's not loose sight of the fact that Billy Boy could have likely prevented the whole thing, when he had the cross hairs on Bin Laden and was too lilly-livered to pull the trigger. At any rate, 3 trillion is by no means the total price tag for 9/11, the resultant economic woes continue on even now in lost revenue. We used up every last dime of what could reasonably considered to be liquid assests, to recover from 9/11 and America's liquid reserve (treasury) has not replenished itself. Mostly because the politicians in DC refuse to recognize America MUST cut back on spending for a time to be ABLE to recover. Not mindlessly careening on toward the abyss with ever increasing entitlement spending, which is the democratic way. (Gotta keep buying those votes, right?) I don't believe we as a nation could have responded in any other way than to take on terrorism at the source. The response was just as justifiable, and necessary, as was our response to Pearl Harbor.

Another contributing factor was the Barney Frank led charge on giving loans to people who couldn't afford them, for the purchase of lavish homes. The 'housing bubble' is representative of the naive approach to finance by the average democrat. With minds polluted with a mixture of whimsical ideals rooted in the dubious concept of social justice and an inflated view of how important they are as an individual, dems are a bunch of loose cannons. The end game of their fancies, in microcosm, may be witnessed in the collapse of everything in California. Where once, people were moving to California every day, the trend has reversed itself, and folks are leaving in droves. These are the productive folks by the way, the non-productive folks love it out there, it's paradise. Filling the void of the business owners, tradesmen and other wage earners in exodus, are illegal immigrants and babies being born. Have a look at California's 'debt clock' Anybody other than be think this looks more like what America's debt clock should be?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/state-debt-cl...clock.html

Let Vector and company campaign on, Obama will be out of there this fall.

[WideRight05]

^ That site is a nightmare to look at. It feels like it's one of those video games where you just lose everything and things get out of control. The only difference is, that is real life my friends. And that is just one state...

Barney Frank is nuts. Having audit experience in the banking industry, I can tell you that he has done a lot of damage to banks.

Wake up America!

[TheRealVille]

Ask the shareholders what they think of Romney's buddy, JP Morgan. You conservatives are all for the big business, and the Wall Street bankers, explain this to the shareholders that lost a lot of money.

[TidesHoss32]

This vote for Romney will be the most painful vote Ive ever cast, because I flat out do not like the man. I dont like anything about him, but I will vote for him, because to me, he is the lesser of two evils.

[TheRealThing]

This vote for Romney will be the most painful vote Ive ever cast, because I flat out do not like the man. I dont like anything about him, but I will vote for him, because to me, he is the lesser of two evils.

LOL, lesser like Forrest Gump is less evil than the Antichrist.

[TheRealThing]

Ask the shareholders what they think of Romney's buddy, JP Morgan. You conservatives are all for the big business, and the Wall Street bankers, explain this to the shareholders that lost a lot of money.

Finally, you post something that I agree with! There are no promises in the stock market, there is risk. Buying stock is normally a good investment because of the strength of the American fnancial institution. The Obama belief in the tried and failed economic policies of the 1930's, when FDR overregulated industry and commerce, has made it a tougher proposition. I find it ironic and laughable you slam conservatives who are "for big business and the Wall Street bankers", when they fail to make some admittedly unfortunate stockholders rich/richer. You can't have it both ways, now we're hating the rich for not making investors rich. Just like you can't have free enterprise and not expect some to make more money than others. Going by the liberal psuedo logic du-jour, we should all hate McDonald's because they are the most successful restaurant chain, Mickey D owners are usually rich and therefore the whole thing is evil.

[WideRight05]

In America, if you are rich and successful you are a snob that has no regard for society. That is what the liberal thinking that sadly exists in a large part of America. I did an internship working in tax this time last year when I was in school and learned a lot about taxes. One interesting thing was a statistic I learned about where something like 98% of the rich people made a pretty sizable contribution with their money. People at the previous Church I was at always complained and gossiped about rich people...couldn't stand them. But yet when they brought their tithes to the Church, that always silenced them quickly.

What happened with JP Morgan is unfortunate. But if you invest in the stock market, that is one thing you have to accept. There is always going to be some form of risk in your investments, whether it be small or large.

[MustangSally]

Maybe we need a bully in the White house. Use that big old bully pulpit, and bring back America's rightful place in leading the world in all areas including manufacturing

[TidesHoss32]

LOL, lesser like Forrest Gump is less evil than the Antichrist.

LOL..something like that..:Thumbs:

[TheRealThing]

Ask the shareholders what they think of Romney's buddy, JP Morgan. You conservatives are all for the big business, and the Wall Street bankers, explain this to the shareholders that lost a lot of money.

Jamie Dimon is the CEO of JP Morgan, he has been to the White House to see Obama no less than 16 times! You're never going to be able to make that evil 'rich man' blather stick, mainly because it's a lie straight out of the liberal think tank.

[TheRealThing]

LOL..something like that..:Thumbs:

:thatsfunn Glad you appreciated it.

[Hoot Gibson]

Jamie Dimon is the CEO of JP Morgan, he has been to the White House to see Obama no less than 16 times! You're never going to be able to make that evil 'rich man' blather stick, mainly because it's a lie straight out of the liberal think tank.

Wall Street has been very, very good to Obama - and he has returned the favors.

[TheRealThing]

Wall Street has been very, very good to Obama - and he has returned the favors.

Darn right he has, in spades.

[vector]

Wall Street has been very, very good to Obama - and he has returned the favors.


but bush was a hell of a lot better rember the bailouts in 2008

[Hoot Gibson]

Wall Street has been very, very good to Obama - and he has returned the favors.


but bush was a hell of a lot better rember the bailouts in 2008

Not that it matters because Bush is not even on the ballot this year, but name one bailout that Obama opposed and Bush supported.

Obama would love to run against Bush this fall, but it is just not going to happen.

[vector]

all bush had to do was veto the bailouts but he didn't

[Hoot Gibson]

all bush had to do was veto the bailouts but he didn't

You are dodging the question. Your point is that Bush signed Wall Street bailouts and helped Wall Street more than Obama has. I think that it was a mistake on Bush's part.

Do you support all of the bailouts that Obama has supported? Name a bailout that U.S. Senator Obama opposed that Bush signed into law.

[vector]

Do you support all of the bailouts that Obama has supported? Name a bailout that U.S. Senator Obama opposed that Bush signed into law

no not all of them but the autoworkers yes

[TheRealVille]

You are dodging the question. Your point is that Bush signed Wall Street bailouts and helped Wall Street more than Obama has. I think that it was a mistake on Bush's part.

Do you support all of the bailouts that Obama has supported? Name a bailout that U.S. Senator Obama opposed that Bush signed into law.

I absolutely support the automaker bailouts. The repercussion of them failing would have been disastrous.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Ill just be honest.
If Obama is reelected it will kill EKY's economy.
Coal, for example, is doing horrible right now at just around 65 dollars a ton.
This time last year it was double that.

Until the Government loosens up these regulations on permits among other things, it will continue to struggle.
Even if things get better in other parts of the country, the place where we live will not. It's only common since to go against the Dems.

[Truth]

I absolutely support the automaker bailouts. The repercussion of them failing would have been disastrous.

Not true. General Motors and Chrysler would have gone through Chapter 11 Bankruptcy (Reorganization) and come out of the process in at least as good and probably better shape than they came out with the handout. The taxpayers would have certainly come out better.

Through the years, many coroprations, small and large, have availed themselves of the protections of reorganization and have done fine. One such corporation was Walt Disney Productions.

The bailout set a bad precedence. The reorganization would not have done so. That is fact.

[vector]

Ill just be honest.
If Obama is reelected it will kill EKY's economy.
Coal, for example, is doing horrible right now at just around 65 dollars a ton.
This time last year it was double that.

Until the Government loosens up these regulations on permits among other things, it will continue to struggle.
Even if things get better in other parts of the country, the place where we live will not. It's only common since to go against the Dems


the epa is not hurting coal in the short term there biggest enemy
right now is natural gas read all the coal company earnings reports
and they will tell you it's natural gas and the weather the power plants
in this country has 200 million tons on the ground natural gas is cheap
and there switching over to gas for the first time there doing it out west
the power plants are going to burn whatever is the cheapest oil coal or
gas it's all about the bottom line

http://205.254.135.7/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=6330

[Hoot Gibson]

Ill just be honest.
If Obama is reelected it will kill EKY's economy.
Coal, for example, is doing horrible right now at just around 65 dollars a ton.
This time last year it was double that.

Until the Government loosens up these regulations on permits among other things, it will continue to struggle.
Even if things get better in other parts of the country, the place where we live will not. It's only common since to go against the Dems


the epa is not hurting coal in the short term there biggest enemy
right now is natural gas read all the coal company earnings reports
and they will tell you it's natural gas and the weather the power plants
in this country has 200 million tons on the ground natural gas is cheap
and there switching over to gas for the first time there doing it out west
the power plants are going to burn whatever is the cheapest oil coal or
gas it's all about the bottom line

http://205.254.135.7/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=6330

Finally, you posted something with which I can agree. You are right, in the short run, the EPA's mischief is not hurting the coal industry much. However, the damage that they are doing is the long term kind from which it will take many years to recover.

The mild winter and horrible economy are depressing prices in the short term, but Obama's war on coal will result in severe shortages and soaring coal and utility prices if and when the economy ever returns to normal. Utility prices have risen sharply across this country, despite the struggling economy. It does not take much imagination to guess what will happen when the unemployment rate drops back into the 4-1/2 to 5 percent range. I can already envision future attacks on the coal industry by the socialists like Obama for being "greedy" profiteers as prices skyrocket because of shortages created by the regulations imposed during Obama's term in office.

[vector]

this is from alpha first quarter earings report
Market Overview
Demand for domestic thermal coal has significantly declined in recent months due to the
inter-related effects of mild winter weather and extremely low natural gas prices which
have reduced coal burn by domestic utilities. Utility inventories are approaching record
levels and have grown rapidly to greater than 200 million tons nationwide. Based on today's
natural gas prices, coal-to-gas switching has expanded from the East, where it has been a
fairly common phenomenon, into areas served by PRB coals. Requests for shipment deferrals
have become commonplace in all regions, and spot pricing is below production costs for much
of Central Appalachia and certain PRB operations. In light of burgeoning inventories, some
thermal coal shipments have been re-sold either to other utilities or to traders with some
of the coal ultimately moving into the seaborne market. Producers are also striving to
maximize exports in order to place thermal coal production, and seaborne thermal coal
exports from the U.S. have increased significantly in the first quarter of 2012. U.S.
coal producers have responded to this challenging market environment by adjusting production
volumes and idling high cost mines. Announced cutbacks to date are in the range of approximately
50 million tons annually and additional reductions appear necessary to balance supply and demand.
Alpha remains focused on creating a sustainable thermal coal portfolio and continues to evaluate
how best to match thermal coal production with expected demand.
Markets for both metallurgical and thermal coal are under pressure, but the challenges facing
the metallurgical market appear to be cyclical and could reverse quickly. The challenges
facing the domestic steam coal market, on the other hand, appear to be both cyclical and
structural and are likely to linger well into 2013. Alpha continues to pursue its three-pronged
strategy: supporting and augmenting our metallurgical coal franchise; creating a sustainable
steam coal portfolio; and taking appropriate actions to address operations that are unable to
contribute to a sustainable portfolio.
this is from arch first quarter earnings
"The severe weakness in U.S. thermal coal markets impacted our first quarter results and,
consequently, we are resetting our 2012 expectations," said John W. Eaves, Arch's president
and chief executive officer. "Based upon an unprecedented build in power generator coal
stockpiles year to date, the continued erosion in natural gas prices and relatively soft
global metallurgical demand, we are further curtailing our production in 2012. While lower
planned volumes will have predictable consequences on our near-term financial results, we
believe we are taking the right steps now to position Arch for success as coal markets recover."

if they have as much natural gas as they say they have the coal business
is in for a tough time last year they had 52% of the market now it's
down to 44% there will be coal mines but it's going be tough place to
work it's going to be like it was in the 80's

[Bob Seger]

Not true. General Motors and Chrysler would have gone through Chapter 11 Bankruptcy (Reorganization) and come out of the process in at least as good and probably better shape than they came out with the handout. The taxpayers would have certainly come out better.

Through the years, many coroprations, small and large, have availed themselves of the protections of reorganization and have done fine. One such corporation was Walt Disney Productions.

The bailout set a bad precedence. The reorganization would not have done so. That is fact.

That is exactly right. That would have allowed GM and Chrysler to get their out of control and rediculous labor contract obligations reorganized to a level as to where they could compete with global competition. I will predict that they will be in the exact same shape they were in before, not so far on down the road. Greed from all parties will still enventually spell doom for the American car industry. Ford may be in better shape than the others right now but ultimately it will get them too. Never understimate the screwed up mentality of a union worker coupled with the greed of the American stockholder to destroy anything that could be..

[RunItUpTheGut]

Ill just be honest.
If Obama is reelected it will kill EKY's economy.
Coal, for example, is doing horrible right now at just around 65 dollars a ton.
This time last year it was double that.

Until the Government loosens up these regulations on permits among other things, it will continue to struggle.
Even if things get better in other parts of the country, the place where we live will not. It's only common since to go against the Dems


the epa is not hurting coal in the short term there biggest enemy
right now is natural gas read all the coal company earnings reports
and they will tell you it's natural gas and the weather the power plants
in this country has 200 million tons on the ground natural gas is cheap
and there switching over to gas for the first time there doing it out west
the power plants are going to burn whatever is the cheapest oil coal or
gas it's all about the bottom line

http://205.254.135.7/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=6330

I live in the here and now and could care less about the long run.
There have been 4 different coal companies shut its doors in the last month in Harlan, Letcher, and other counties.
This is the problem with politics. We need to stop worrying about the "future" so much and worry about here and now. I want MY life to be of better quality. Call me selfish if you want, but i dont want ten more year of this shit. Change it now. Isnt that what you dems voted for....change? It has, straight to hell.

[RunItUpTheGut]

this is from alpha first quarter earings report
Market Overview
Demand for domestic thermal coal has significantly declined in recent months due to the
inter-related effects of mild winter weather and extremely low natural gas prices which
have reduced coal burn by domestic utilities. Utility inventories are approaching record
levels and have grown rapidly to greater than 200 million tons nationwide. Based on today's
natural gas prices, coal-to-gas switching has expanded from the East, where it has been a
fairly common phenomenon, into areas served by PRB coals. Requests for shipment deferrals
have become commonplace in all regions, and spot pricing is below production costs for much
of Central Appalachia and certain PRB operations. In light of burgeoning inventories, some
thermal coal shipments have been re-sold either to other utilities or to traders with some
of the coal ultimately moving into the seaborne market. Producers are also striving to
maximize exports in order to place thermal coal production, and seaborne thermal coal
exports from the U.S. have increased significantly in the first quarter of 2012. U.S.
coal producers have responded to this challenging market environment by adjusting production
volumes and idling high cost mines. Announced cutbacks to date are in the range of approximately
50 million tons annually and additional reductions appear necessary to balance supply and demand.
Alpha remains focused on creating a sustainable thermal coal portfolio and continues to evaluate
how best to match thermal coal production with expected demand.
Markets for both metallurgical and thermal coal are under pressure, but the challenges facing
the metallurgical market appear to be cyclical and could reverse quickly. The challenges
facing the domestic steam coal market, on the other hand, appear to be both cyclical and
structural and are likely to linger well into 2013. Alpha continues to pursue its three-pronged
strategy: supporting and augmenting our metallurgical coal franchise; creating a sustainable
steam coal portfolio; and taking appropriate actions to address operations that are unable to
contribute to a sustainable portfolio.
this is from arch first quarter earnings
"The severe weakness in U.S. thermal coal markets impacted our first quarter results and,
consequently, we are resetting our 2012 expectations," said John W. Eaves, Arch's president
and chief executive officer. "Based upon an unprecedented build in power generator coal
stockpiles year to date, the continued erosion in natural gas prices and relatively soft
global metallurgical demand, we are further curtailing our production in 2012. While lower
planned volumes will have predictable consequences on our near-term financial results, we
believe we are taking the right steps now to position Arch for success as coal markets recover."

if they have as much natural gas as they say they have the coal business
is in for a tough time last year they had 52% of the market now it's
down to 44% there will be coal mines but it's going be tough place to
work it's going to be like it was in the 80's

Do you honestly think i do not know this?
I read reports everyday. This is what i do for a living.
Things are slow due to the mild winter and spring because of the lesser use of electricity and also the staggering low prices of natural gas, however, it's still more of a problem that we cant do anything without the EPA being where they do not belong. They continually overstpe their boundaries. If coal couldnt sale right now why is it that a certain comapny close to here, owned by canadians is the top running company going right now? Its because they can move it. They dont have to worry about it. There self sufficient to where they use it themselves so they can overstep the government when it comes to A LOT of things.
I will agree the weather has put a hurting on the coal industry this year, causing record low profits for a lot of companies, however, there is still enough burning to keep places from shutting down. When i entered the coal business with the mining company i work for, i knew from the start that the coal business was risky and it was an up and down business, but this is ridicolous, and it's costing all of Kentucky.
Throw articles and ads at me all you want. It's all you people on the political forum do, but when you the one working in an industry directly affected by government regulations, on a daily basis, then you'll see where im coming from.

[TheRealVille]

I live in the here and now and could care less about the long run.
There have been 4 different coal companies shut its doors in the last month in Harlan, Letcher, and other counties.
This is the problem with politics. We need to stop worrying about the "future" so much and worry about here and now. I want MY life to be of better quality. Call me selfish if you want, but i dont want ten more year of this shit. Change it now. Isnt that what you dems voted for....change? It has, straight to hell.

Who would have guessed? This type of attitude is why coal is in the mess it's in right now.