[TheRealThing]

Well we likely will not ever come to an agreement. You don't view healthcare as a human right, I do. Even if not a human right, I see it as our responsibility as a nation, person, and Christian to take care of our sick and injured. Of the 38million folks you mentioned, 25% of those are children who are uninsured. Of course we shouldn't help out our children in your view.

It seems like your POV, and many who are siding with you is that all 38million of these people are jobless, freeloading, drug addicts. That is not the truth. Most work full time jobs, are children, or are underemployed or jobless due to the recent recession and Free Trade Acts that have shipped millions of jobs outside of our borders.

As for the increase in premiums by insurance companies, because you state they will not eat those losses. Even if we didn't add the 38million to insurance (BTW thats 38million premiums they will receive.) They will still see a loss in profits from other regulations in the bill. Coverage of pre-existing conditions, limits on price gouging (How else do you think they tripled their profits?), and their inability to now drop someone because they get sick. All of that is going to lead to a loss in profits, and they won't be able to raise premiums. Since Health Insurance coverage is no longer a free market, and is ran by oligopoly, I have no problem with restricting them.

This Oligopolistic practice which affects most of our major industries, Oil, Food, HC, and others. Is basically a monopoly being carried out by a handful of individual entities. This has resulted in collusion and market sharing to help drive up prices and profits.

This is not how our market or country is intended be ran. So if we are not going to go in and break up these companies, than obviously some other form of regulation has to be instituted.

Human rights, let's see, what are they? They are basically, the state of living free from governmental invasion of citizen's privacy. Free from the oppressive requirements, regulations, excessive taxation, and burdensom demands of a ruling class or government. That is why socialism doesn't work. The ruling class or government of a socialistic society is so busy making sure everything is equal, they regulate every move the citizens of that society make, life for folks in such a society is a daily drudgery. Every day is more forlorn than the last, with no hope of ever breaking out of death grip of governmental control. To say life in a socialist nation is miserable is like saying the surface of the sun is hot.

Americans are in the proccess of giving up all the blessings of freedom. By the time everything gets 'regulated' to the level Beetle wants, it will be a sad day indeed. And why are we doing this? Because of the compaints of those of the various special interest groups, who are either too lazy and or unmotivated to get out in the 'equality of opportuny' country we live in, and EARN what they crave. No, in the mind of folks like Beetle, they want health care, (naturally associated with cradle to grave entitlements) it is a human right and should be handed out like calendar cards at a political rally. I mean, it is far short of rocket science. How much effort does it take to stand on a street corner and lust after a new car that rolls by? The official position of the left is to take away the successes of those who went out and worked for what they got and hand over part of it to the ones who can muster only the 'want to'. That's the essence of social justice. Lazy folks want what successful foks have and the left is trying to give it to them. I first noticed the seeds of the Obama position of 'equality of result', being sown when people at the WMCA told me that kids must be protected from the stigma of losing at a sporting event. Losing will scar their little psyche's they said. And, the official position offered to the little ones eager to learn is they had won or not was that everybody won. Which, of course, was when I hit the eject button. Then I noticed everybody getting trophies for everything, while parents were demanding equall playing time. Equality of result versus equality of opportunity, turns a fiery sunset to a mundane grey. Hence, the seeds having been sown and watered by the liberal segment of America, the mature bows of secular humanism have sprung up and are bearing the fruits of social justice. The level playing field, everybody wins. Those are the simple minded musings of the supremely naive.

Human rights don't have the first darn thing to do with anything material. Human rights, means living free from the various forms of persecution, in a safe and free environment. Husbands know they can leave home in the morning to "pursue happiness" confident in the knowledge that they have equality of opportunity, and, while they are gone, the kids can play outside and the wife can go about her daily affairs in peace and safety. That's the whole scope of human rights. Now, out of our national bounty, we have come to expect the federal government to step in and offer disaster relief and the various other fundable programs such as social security and pensions. Where our national train left the track was when we decided to take care of the able bodied among us, for life. And that would include national health care.