[TheRealVille]

Duh, cause he is dead as a hammer?

Zaga said the press release was telling him the above pictures were the people that were taking the guy to the hospital. A lot of people over there loved, and respected him.

[judgementday]

Zaga said the press release was telling him the above pictures were the people that were taking the guy to the hospital. A lot of people over there loved, and respected him.

Which makes it even more sickening and sad that it happened.

[TheRealThing]

Zaga said the press release was telling him the above pictures were the people that were taking the guy to the hospital. A lot of people over there loved, and respected him.

But RealVille, the ones that didn't, hated him simply because he was American. And, had no compunction at all to murdering him and dragging his body through the streets like a trophy. They hate Jews and they hate Americans. They would go on hating Americans even if we handed them money every time we turned around, which of course, we do in the form of aid. We'll never win them over, and we'll never be friends. No matter how much bleeding hearts proclaim their acceptance and support. BTW, they do have ambulances over there, and anybody can see that all of them have cell phones, LOL.

For example, what is the real difference between Iran and Iraq right now? We knocked the stuffing out of them in Iraq and they no longer possess the wherewithal to threaten America. Iran on the other hand hasn't had the major attitude adjustment yet, and as a consequence are therefore trying to build nuclear weapons with which to destroy Israel and America. Rest assured, if they go nuclear, they'll use it on us. Your president of choice is making sure we don't interfere with that process. Don't believe me? All you have to do is check with Netanyahu. Read More--- http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/09/1...ntil-when/

[TheRealThing]

In the first picture, it seemed to me that the ambassador was lifting up his arm. I would think at least in that picture, he would still be alive. I would guess that if he was alive during that time, he might've been in shock.

You missed the hand grabbing under the ambassador's left (and seemingly raised) arm, with a cell phone in it? No, he is very dead right there, and the other two as well.

[TheRealVille]

You missed the hand grabbing under the ambassador's left (and seemingly raised) arm, with a cell phone in it? No, he is very dead right there, and the other two as well.

Correct. He is dead in all three pictures.

[Deathstar 80]

You missed the hand grabbing under the ambassador's left (and seemingly raised) arm, with a cell phone in it? No, he is very dead right there, and the other two as well.

I'm sorry TheRealThing, but I'm afraid I don't see what you're talking about. When I look at the picture, his left arm is raised. Everyone around him is looking at the place where they're carrying him to. I don't see anyone picking up his left arm. To be honest, I hope he's dead in that picture so that he wouldn't have to suffer what other things they did to him. It was horrible what happened to him.

I'll definitely agree with you TheRealThing in that people in the Middle East don't like us and never will.

EDIT: I'm talking about the first picture, not the third.

[TheRealVille]

The administration, painted into a corner with no escape, finally admits the truth. Ambassador Stevens was tortured and murdered, suffering terribly in the horror which framed his last moments.

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Any thoughts about what the administration will do about this? They had no compunction whatever, in hiding behind the fabrication that these uprisings, complete with rpg's and other heavy ordinance, were spontaneous and directly attributable to a you-tube movie.

Did they ever deny that he was tortured, and murdered?

[TheRealThing]

I'm sorry TheRealThing, but I'm afraid I don't see what you're talking about. When I look at the picture, his left arm is raised. Everyone around him is looking at the place where they're carrying him to. I don't see anyone picking up his left arm. To be honest, I hope he's dead in that picture so that he wouldn't have to suffer what other things they did to him. It was horrible what happened to him.

I'll definitely agree with you TheRealThing in that people in the Middle East don't like us and never will.

EDIT: I'm talking about the first picture, not the third.

Okay, I saw that too. My assumption is that the guy in the black shirt has his body supported and has his hand. See how straight out his body is? Not likely he is doing that on his own.

[TheRealVille]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics...-1.1161454

[TheRealVille]

A YouTube video uploaded by user Abdalgadar Fadi claims to show Ambassador Christopher Stevens “before his death” at the hands of a Libyan mob.

The victim is seemingly being dragged out of the consulate in Benghazi by countless men, some of whom are smiling and cheering at the end of the video.

The clip has not yet been authenticated, but the victim appears to be wearing the same clothes as in a graphic photo that showed alleged “attempts to rescue” the ambassador on the night of his death.

According to Breitbart, the YouTube headline translates: “U.S. Ambassador and the people of Benghazi rescue attempt before his death.”

It should be noted that in the full YouTube video, the clip begins with an image of a man holding his pointer and middle fingers in the “V” or “peace” sign.

See it here:

[YOUTUBE="Stevens"]yMSnyOMRXos[/YOUTUBE]



There are conflicting reports as to why, exactly, the men are cheering.

Some say it is because they were happy to have found the ambassador alive. Breitbart notes that Jenan Moussa, who describes herself as a “roving reporter” for Arabic Al Aan TV, wrote: “…I think crowd cheers not [because] the man they found is almost dead but [because] ‘the man is alive.’”

The New York Times has a translation of some of the comments:

“I swear, he’s dead,” one Libyan says, peering in.
“Bring him out, man! Bring him out,” another says.
“The man is alive. Move out of the way,” others shout. “Just bring him out, man.”
“Move, move, he is still alive!”
“Alive, Alive! God is great,” the crowd erupts, while someone calls to bring Mr. Stevens to a car.
According to the New York Times Stevens was subsequently taken to a hospital, but the doctor was unable to revive him.

[Deathstar 80]

A YouTube video uploaded by user Abdalgadar Fadi claims to show Ambassador Christopher Stevens “before his death” at the hands of a Libyan mob.

The victim is seemingly being dragged out of the consulate in Benghazi by countless men, some of whom are smiling and cheering at the end of the video.

The clip has not yet been authenticated, but the victim appears to be wearing the same clothes as in a graphic photo that showed alleged “attempts to rescue” the ambassador on the night of his death.

According to Breitbart, the YouTube headline translates: “U.S. Ambassador and the people of Benghazi rescue attempt before his death.”

It should be noted that in the full YouTube video, the clip begins with an image of a man holding his pointer and middle fingers in the “V” or “peace” sign.

See it here:

[YOUTUBE="Stevens"]yMSnyOMRXos[/YOUTUBE]



There are conflicting reports as to why, exactly, the men are cheering.

Some say it is because they were happy to have found the ambassador alive. Breitbart notes that Jenan Moussa, who describes herself as a “roving reporter” for Arabic Al Aan TV, wrote: “…I think crowd cheers not [because] the man they found is almost dead but [because] ‘the man is alive.’”

The New York Times has a translation of some of the comments:

“I swear, he’s dead,” one Libyan says, peering in.
“Bring him out, man! Bring him out,” another says.
“The man is alive. Move out of the way,” others shout. “Just bring him out, man.”
“Move, move, he is still alive!”
“Alive, Alive! God is great,” the crowd erupts, while someone calls to bring Mr. Stevens to a car.
According to the New York Times Stevens was subsequently taken to a hospital, but the doctor was unable to revive him.

It doesn't make sense to me that after the embassy was attacked, innocent civilians would run to the attacked embassy to try to save any survivors. Remember that the people in the Middle East are heavily anti-Israel and anti-American. Here's a quote from one of my past posts to remind everyone how hated Israel is in the Middle East:

Here's a quote that I thought everyone should read, but I would like to warn everyone that this quote is graphic:

Also on the list are Abdel Aziz Salha, who was photographed raising his bloody hands to a cheering crowd after killing two Israeli soldiers who accidentally drove into the West Bank city of Ramallah in 2000;

Here's the link: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10/17/...z1b2dqswSY

^This quote shows how much Israel is hated in that region. Two Israeli soldiers are murdered in the West Bank, and the surrounding crowd cheers to the person who murdered them.

From what I've heard about a week or two ago, I think President Abbas is still going around the world and asking people to support the making of a Palestinian state. Please support Israel. They're hated by a lot of people.

Again, I personally don't think innocent civilians would run to these buildings after a military battle just took place and try to save any survivors. I think the people who were seen taking pictures with the ambassador were people who wanted him to die. And I know it sounds sickening, but I think those people in the video were happy that he was alive because they wanted him to suffer a little more before his death. But that's just my opinion. I can't say that's actually what happened.

[TheRealThing]

Did they ever deny that he was tortured, and murdered?

It happened on the 12th, right? The administration, including the president himself, Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, Jay Carney and a host of spokespeople for the Obama administration, have stated hundreds of times in the news and to the UN that the cause of the riots and subsequent murders of American citizens were directly attributable to the video. I heard it over and over. My question is this. If the administration didn't know for sure what caused the violence why they vehemetly at odds with the producer of the video, which was demonstrated in no uncertain terms when he was taken away in the middle of the night by sheriff's deputies? Read More---http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/09/anti-muslim-film-nakoula-basseley-innocence-muslims.html

For something over a week the story coming out of the White House didn't change. Then all of a sudden yesterday they said it was an act of terror. IMO they would have strung the producer up by his buster browns had it not been for Rueters and the BBC airing the truth. And, he would have been declared soley responsible for the whole affair. Again, this is my opinion, I don't think there was ever an informaton lag at the White House. You're telling me that Rueters knew what went on before the US intelligence community? The White House was warned and chose to sit on their hands. They had to come up with something. Now, they are left with nothing but righteous indignation to serve as cover.

[TheRealVille]

It happened on the 12th, right? The administration, including the president himself, Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, Jay Carney and a host of spokespeople for the Obama administration, have stated hundreds of times in the news and to the UN that the cause of the riots and subsequent murders of American citizens were directly attributable to the video. I heard it over and over. My question is this. If the administration didn't know for sure what caused the violence why they vehemetly at odds with the producer of the video, which was demonstrated in no uncertain terms when he was taken away in the middle of the night by sheriff's deputies? Read More---http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/09/anti-muslim-film-nakoula-basseley-innocence-muslims.html

For something over a week the story coming out of the White House didn't change. Then all of a sudden yesterday they said it was an act of terror. IMO they would have strung the producer up by his buster browns had it not been for Rueters and the BBC airing the truth. And, he would have been declared soley responsible for the whole affair. Again, this is my opinion, I don't think there was ever an informaton lag at the White House. You're telling me that Rueters knew what went on before the US intelligence community? The White House was warned and chose to sit on their hands. They had to come up with something. Now, they are left with nothing but righteous indignation to serve as cover.

It's always been suspected that it was an act of terror, caused by the video. I feel my IQ drop every time I respond to your posts.

[SKINNYPIG]

It's always been suspected that it was an act of terror, caused by the video. I feel my IQ drop every time I respond to your posts.

And I feel your IQ drop every time you post.

I'm just kidding man. Or am I?

[Deathstar 80]

It's always been suspected that it was an act of terror, caused by the video. I feel my IQ drop every time I respond to your posts.

I greatly respect you and all of your opinions TheRealVille, but the terrorist attack in Libya and the violent protests around the Middle East aren't caused by the video. And if that is true, then it just shows how radical these people really are. And as a result, America needs to give a clear message that the American government doesn't support or criticize any religious-offiliated messages of any kind. Furthermore, the American government should make clear that everyone does have the right to free speech, and a bunch of "savage beasts" (as Hillary Clinton correctly called them) shouldn't decide what America should stand for.

Again, I really think these violent protests are being caused by a momentous movement to create an Islamic caliphate. Even if you don't believe that we're living in the "end times", it doesn't matter. The fact is that it's the Islamic world's dream to have an Islamic caliphate, and that's what they're currently trying to make in the Middle East. There's momentum in the Islamic world to create an Islamic caliphate and become stronger than America.

[TheRealVille]

I greatly respect you and all of your opinions TheRealVille, but the terrorist attack in Libya and the violent protests around the Middle East aren't caused by the video. And if that is true, then it just shows how radical these people really are. And as a result, America needs to give a clear message that the American government doesn't support or criticize any religious-offiliated messages of any kind. Furthermore, the American government should make clear that everyone does have the right to free speech, and a bunch of "savage beasts" (as Hillary Clinton correctly called them) shouldn't decide what America should stand for.

Again, I really think these violent protests are being caused by a momentous movement to create an Islamic caliphate. Even if you don't believe that we're living in the "end times", it doesn't matter. The fact is that it's the Islamic world's dream to have an Islamic caliphate, and that's what they're currently trying to make in the Middle East. There's momentum in the Islamic world to create an Islamic caliphate and become stronger than America.

Does it really matter if it was an act of terror, caused by the video, or not? it was an act of terror, where our ambassador got killed. The republicans are just twisting it, to try to make a play against the President.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Does it really matter if it was an act of terror, caused by the video, or not? it was an act of terror, where our ambassador got killed. The republicans are just twisting it, to try to make a play against the President.

Well, of course it matters. If your boy and his cohorts can blame it on something other than their own incompetence in protecting our ambassador and the embassy, they will do so. Bucky doesn't take the blame for anything negative. Of course, anything positive was the result of his self-declared super mind.

It won't matter much in the long run because the media will report whatever Bucky wants spinned. We should remember that, although he is incompetent and is leading the country to socialism, he is "cool", And, in this time of social promotion and enhanced entitlements, "cool" is what counts. Sadly, when it all comes to a head, "cool" won't get it.

[Deathstar 80]

Does it really matter if it was an act of terror, caused by the video, or not? it was an act of terror, where our ambassador got killed. The republicans are just twisting it, to try to make a play against the President.

I'm not going to say it's the democrat's fault or anything like that - I don't get involved with politics. But it's important to know the motive behind any terrorist attack. I understand that many republicans are using the video story to cause the democrats some trouble, but I'm not going to get involved with that. I simply say what I think is the truth.

By the way TheRealVille, I want to say that I'm glad a democrat like you posts on this website. We need both liberal and conservative views for America to work.

[TheRealThing]

I greatly respect you and all of your opinions TheRealVille, but the terrorist attack in Libya and the violent protests around the Middle East aren't caused by the video. And if that is true, then it just shows how radical these people really are. And as a result, America needs to give a clear message that the American government doesn't support or criticize any religious-offiliated messages of any kind. Furthermore, the American government should make clear that everyone does have the right to free speech, and a bunch of "savage beasts" (as Hillary Clinton correctly called them) shouldn't decide what America should stand for.

Again, I really think these violent protests are being caused by a momentous movement to create an Islamic caliphate. Even if you don't believe that we're living in the "end times", it doesn't matter. The fact is that it's the Islamic world's dream to have an Islamic caliphate, and that's what they're currently trying to make in the Middle East. There's momentum in the Islamic world to create an Islamic caliphate and become stronger than America.

I don't think there is any question the Caliphate is being pushed for in the arab world Deathstar. http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/03/islam...lim-dream/

[Deathstar 80]

I don't think there is any question the Caliphate is being pushed for in the arab world Deathstar. http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/03/islam...lim-dream/

Thank you for that link TheRealThing. Great post.

I would like to remind everyone that black flags are replacing American flags in these riots on American embassies. The black flag often represents jihad in Islam. I would also like to remind everyone that it's not only American embassies that are being attacked, but many other embassies from western countries (France, Germany, etc.).

[TheRealThing]

Does it really matter if it was an act of terror, caused by the video, or not? it was an act of terror, where our ambassador got killed. The republicans are just twisting it, to try to make a play against the President.

The truth is the truth. There are certainly republicans capable of stretching it to some degree. But, this situation isn't one of those stretches. The information coming to light has it's origins in world news organizations as I have mentioned. Admittedly, it is a decided inconvenience for the administration to have these loose cannons on deck, printing and reporting things that don't back up the cover stories they put out. News organizations inside the US are in O's pocket and things don't start to get sticky for him until off shore pundits get involved. What exactly is getting twisted in all this? I know your not saying we lack the capabilitly to protect our foreign diplomats. Who gives the orders in these situations? Is not our own US Department of State responsible for their well being? Are we not talking about Hillary Clinton here? I haven't heard the first peep out of any news agency yet suggesting she, or her boss, may have dropped the ball here.

[TheRealVille]

The truth is the truth. There are certainly republicans capable of stretching it to some degree. But, this situation isn't one of those stretches. The information coming to light has it's origins in world news organizations as I have mentioned. Admittedly, it is a decided inconvenience for the administration to have these loose cannons on deck, printing and reporting things that don't back up the cover stories they put out. News organizations inside the US are in O's pocket and things don't start to get sticky for him until off shore pundits get involved. What exactly is getting twisted in all this? I know your not saying we lack the capabilitly to protect our foreign diplomats. Who gives the orders in these situations? Is not our own US Department of State responsible for their well being? Are we not talking about Hillary Clinton here? I haven't heard the first peep out of any news agency yet suggesting she, or her boss, may have dropped the ball here.

You are twisting it to make it sound as if the video is the difference maker. How could the President, or Hillary have known someone was going to storm the embassy and kill the ambassador? You tell me, what difference does the video make in this? Terrorists stormed the building, and killed our ambassador. Does the video make it anymore the President's fault?

[TheRealThing]

You are twisting it to make it sound as if the video is the difference maker. How could the President, or Hillary have known someone was going to storm the embassy and kill the ambassador? You tell me, what difference does the video make in this? Terrorists stormed the building, and killed our ambassador. Does the video make it anymore the President's fault?

Now, I know I'm speaking with a self proclaimed genius and all but, how you could come up with that idea from anything in my posts is beyond me. My contention is the video is a smoke screen. The video played no part in the storming of American embassies in Benghazi and Cairo, it was a planned terror operation. However, and in typical fashion, the administration tried to use the video to escape any responsibility for failing to act to protect American interests and the lives of our foreign diplomats overseas. Obama fears the consternation of the US voting public having not responded threats of violence, and well he should. Certainly, Islamic extremist leaders can always use something like the video to get the masses stirred up for show,and, I believe they did exactly that in this case. According to all reports, not coming out of the Obama camp, they were warned several days in advance of 9/11. Heck, they spent $70,000 tax dollars on an ad ducking responsibility over there too, the biggest thing they care about is not getting blamed for anything, LOL.

No, I say the video makes no difference. This was yet another attempt to reclaim some of the glory of their greatest success which of course, is 9/11, and the timing should have been abundantly obvious. How many times would these thugs necessarily have to try something on the anniversary of 9/11 before the administration novices in the executive branch finally get the message?

[TheRealThing]

I'll have to say, trying to pin Mr Obama down to a concise answer is getting to be quite a chore. Even when surrounded by his adoring followers yesterday on "The View" he is one slippery customer. Asked by Joy Behar, why the contradictions coming out of the administration? Obama said the video, "Innocence of Muslims" was the cause of the violence and Hillary Clinton was saying the attacks were planned acts of terror.

It has been revealed of late that there had been only 301 'views' of the video on you-tube at the time of the attack on the embassy in Benghazi. Literally only a handfull of Arab folks had actually seen the video as of the time of the attacks. It is even possible that none of the protestors had seen the video given the small number of views. The whole thing is a fabrication, and the American people have been lied to yet again on an issue of major import. Where is the outrage? The media are again complicitous in the matter as well. I mean, you're telling me the US Secretary of State can go on national TV and finally call a spade a spade but, other than the notable exception of FOX News, nobody in the nation's press corps has the slightest interest in this scandal? Anybody still denying media bias in these days is complicitous as well.

Obama addresses the UN yesterday and refuses to call the attacks on US Embassies acts of terror. The fact that 4 selfless Americans were brutally murdered means nothing if you listened to that speech. and Obama was still reaching out to the Muslim Brotherhood. What would it take to wake people up, they are calling for the downfall of our land and the downfall of Israel. Meanwhile, Iran's mad man in-charge Ahmadinejad, is making a speech at the United Nations building in the very same city where the infamous 9/11 attack on the World Trade Centers took place. An attack Ahmandinejad likely knew all about and maybe even had something to do with whether in financing or some other means of support. In his speech he said he saw a future in which America and Israel did not exist. That makes Obama want to kiss up to them even more, even while the blood of 4 Americans is still fresh on their hands. It's sickening.

[WideRight05]

^ So sad, and yet, so true.

[Deathstar 80]

I just watched the video "Innocence of Muslims". It seems very cheesy. I encourage people not to watch it because it does have mature content in it. Muslims probably find it offensive, but I would think there are other videos that are much more offensive to Muslims than this video.

[vundy33]

The administration, painted into a corner with no escape, finally admits the truth. Ambassador Stevens was tortured and murdered, suffering terribly in the horror which framed his last moments.

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Any thoughts about what the administration will do about this? They had no compunction whatever, in hiding behind the fabrication that these uprisings, complete with rpg's and other heavy ordinance, were spontaneous and directly attributable to a you-tube movie.

Before you post a pic of dead people, include a warning for people who don't want to see it. Had to deal with someone getting butthurt a few years ago about something similar...

This crap pisses me off so bad, mainly because we didn't do a thing about it...

When a few Americans were killed, burned to a crisp, and hung over a bridge in Fallujah, we hit that city with thousands of soldiers and Marines, twice. An ambassador is murdered, and what do we do? Hell it's hardly even in the news! Those are two very different situations, but we could do something.

[Benchwarmer]

The President said it was because of a movie?

[TheRealThing]

Before you post a pic of dead people, include a warning for people who don't want to see it. Had to deal with someone getting butthurt a few years ago about something similar...

This crap pisses me off so bad, mainly because we didn't do a thing about it...

When a few Americans were killed, burned to a crisp, and hung over a bridge in Fallujah, we hit that city with thousands of soldiers and Marines, twice. An ambassador is murdered, and what do we do? Hell it's hardly even in the news! Those are two very different situations, but we could do something.

Sorry Vundy, will do.

[TheRealThing]

Well, as I mentioned the details are really starting to surface. Hillary is beginning to draw fire for her lack of response to Chris Stevens' request for additional security measures. He had in fact written a letter to the State Department in which he admitted he was scared he would be killed. He had learned he was on a hit list and pleaded for enhanced security, outlining at least 13 attacks on the embassy up to the day in which he wrote the letter.

Hillary blew him off and the rest, as they say, is history. I predict that not the first darn thing will happen to Hillary as a result of her lack of action. And, let's not forget, she was one of the main proponents of the top-down sanctioned smoke screen, blaming the whole affair on a video and even sent the sheriff to arrest the guy responsible for producing that video. Think of the implications here. The very first example of federal supression of free speech results in the incarceration of a guy who literally had nothing to do with the violence in Benghazi. Obama (our president) repeated the lie in an address delivered at the UN, no less. And, by the way, one can easily see he isn't at all worried he'll be held accoutable and complicitous in the matter by the way he acts out on the campaign trail. Susan Rice repeated the lie on five seperate Sunday news shows. Hillary told the same lie in prepared remarks to the nation. Hundreds of democrat parrots talked it up for 9 days until all of them were forced to admit the truth due to world news agencies and the leader of Lybia calling them out on it.

But, if one listens to the DNC, Romney is the one who is dangerous, dark and unkown between the two candidates. What has happened to the common sense of the American voter? The vast majority shouldn't even be considering a vote for this president, IMO.