[Stardust]

I cannot find it but right after the debate CNN said that among undecided voters Biden won 55-48 or something like that. Also though BOTH candidates grew favorably with undecided voters. Both went above 50% in the "I believe this person would make a good President"

That was pretty much my synopsis as well. If Biden hadn't been arrogant and showing terrible non-verbal skills, he would have dominated this debate. However, since he did act petulant and childish, I would say that it was much closer.

Ryan came in wanting to introduce himself to the American public and hold his own. Not even his own campaign stated that he should or would win. I believe he also had to come across as knowledgeable but not over-anyone's-head, he did that well.

Joe Biden came in wanting to be very aggressive and wanting to hit some points that Obama failed to hit. (47%, you are lying, etc...) Also, they wanted to let Biden's natural attitude and personality come out, it certainly did.

Basically, I do not believe either campaign got any additional edge tonight. I would honestly call this a draw because each side accomplished what they wanted to do and neither side gained any ground on the other.

I'm going to take exception to that based on those of the undecided's. The tactics of Biden wore on them. The bully on the school yard is something that many came away with a bad taste in their mouths. Yes, for those who went into the debate siding with a party, nothing changed their opinions. But last night swayed more undecideds away from one party! In that sense, the Republicans gained more ground.