[Stardust]

You were the one that said your plans were to save up and but a hotdog stand when you retire, not me. I'm going to be kicked back in Florida. I hope you aren't depending on social security and medicare, if your boy get's in.

God I pray that the Governement gives me my Retirement money to manage! My return annually (my guess is yours too if you own a 401K) is 18-25 times better than than what the government will EVER give back to both of us! I have a HSA that carries over annually. I can already see that I will be perfectly fine come retirement age in covering both my retirement and health expenses!

So, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE - take me OUT of Medicare and SS! As a matter of fact, you can keep 100% of what I have already contributed, and I will still be way better off on my own than Big Brother screwing up my long term investment.

Ville, you keep your little pension from the governments coffers, I'll be the one drinking Tahiti's on the ocean front, you can come visit anytime you want - I guess if it's around the first of the month that is nicker:

I honesty am dumbfounded, completely DUMBFOUNDED at how ignorant the American public is on this subject and the MONEY they are leaving on the table to trust in a retirement program from the government! Let those of the uninformed persuasion dump their money into a government fund and get their -50% return versus the private market! I'd LOVE to have mine to manage! Here little sheep, sheep!!!

[TheRealVille]

God I pray that the Governement gives me my Retirement money to manage! My return annually (my guess is yours too if you own a 401K) is 18-25 times better than than what the government will EVER give back to both of us! I have a HSA that carries over annually. I can already see that I will be perfectly fine come retirement age in covering both my retirement and health expenses!

So, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE - take me OUT of Medicare and SS! As a matter of fact, you can keep 100% of what I have already contributed, and I will still be way better off on my own than Big Brother screwing up my long term investment.

Ville, you keep your [B]little pension from the governments coffers, I'll be the one drinking Tahiti's on the ocean front, you can come visit anytime you want - I guess if it's around the first of the month that is nicker:[/B]

I honesty am dumbfounded, completely DUMBFOUNDED at how ignorant the American public is on this subject and the MONEY they are leaving on the table to trust in a retirement program from the government! Let those of the uninformed persuasion dump their money into a government fund and get their -50% return versus the private market! I'd LOVE to have mine to manage! Here little sheep, sheep!!!

You must be confusing me with somebody else. I only name the social security for the ones that will have to depend only on that. A financial group in your very area takes care of handling, and growing a my money for me. They have done quite well, thank you. I will use what I have paid into the social security fund, but it is in no way what I expect to retire on.

[TheRealVille]

Did I? You should be able to point to the post in which I made the comment if that is your recollection. Did I ever say such a thing or are you just making things up again? Unless you can find the post, then I suggest that you admit your mistake and move on. I have no plans to open a hot dog stand and have never had such a plan. So, let's see the post in which I left you with that impression.

I'm not going to search through posts. If you say you didn't say it, I guess we have to take your word on it. I guess I made a mistake. I thought sure you said once that you wanted to save up and buy a hot dog stand, cart, or some kind of small food cart. My bad.

[Hoot Gibson]

I'm not going to search through posts. If you say you didn't say it, I guess we have to take your word on it. I guess I made a mistake. I thought sure you said once that you wanted to save up and buy a hot dog stand, cart, or some kind of small food cart. My bad.

I did take time to search my posts, and I never made any such comment. I appreciate you taking time to admit that you were mistaken.

I do hold a great deal of respect for the people who do operate food carts. It is a tough way to earn a living. I no longer work where I have access to hot dog, taco, and kabob carts, but I grew to respect the individuals and families who operate them while I did work nearby. Many, if not most, of the operators are recent immigrants to this country and food carts are among the best examples of pure, small business capitalism at work that I know.

[Stardust]

You must be confusing me with somebody else. I only name the social security for the ones that will have to depend only on that. A financial group in your very area takes care of handling, and growing a my money for me. They have done quite well, thank you. I will use what I have paid into the social security fund, but it is in no way what I expect to retire on.

Nor should ANYONE else have to! And thank you for letting me be a part of you not having to rely on Social Security and Medicare! Or give Social Security to the Private industry and let me help everyone, because god knows those who NEED it as you say, should get something better than whet they get now! Everyone in this country should have the opportunity to find something better!!!!! The thinking of the administration has no consideration of that, they want everyone to be reliant on them!

[TheRealVille]

Nor should ANYONE else have to! And thank you for letting me be a part of you not having to rely on Social Security and Medicare! Or give Social Security to the Private industry and let me help everyone, because god knows those who NEED it as you say, should get something better than whet they get now! Everyone in this country should have the opportunity to find something better!!!!! The thinking of the administration has no consideration of that, they want everyone to be reliant on them!

I'm sure you don't have anything to do with handling my money. I know my guys personally, they have been to my house.

[TheRealThing]

God I pray that the Governement gives me my Retirement money to manage! My return annually (my guess is yours too if you own a 401K) is 18-25 times better than than what the government will EVER give back to both of us! I have a HSA that carries over annually. I can already see that I will be perfectly fine come retirement age in covering both my retirement and health expenses!

So, PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE - take me OUT of Medicare and SS! As a matter of fact, you can keep 100% of what I have already contributed, and I will still be way better off on my own than Big Brother screwing up my long term investment.

Ville, you keep your little pension from the governments coffers, I'll be the one drinking Tahiti's on the ocean front, you can come visit anytime you want - I guess if it's around the first of the month that is nicker:

I honesty am dumbfounded, completely DUMBFOUNDED at how ignorant the American public is on this subject and the MONEY they are leaving on the table to trust in a retirement program from the government! Let those of the uninformed persuasion dump their money into a government fund and get their -50% return versus the private market! I'd LOVE to have mine to manage! Here little sheep, sheep!!!

But Dusty, didn't you know the government, and democrats in particular if you listen to RV's arguments, will always tell you what you are supposed to think about everything from your understanding of finance to morality? That notion is the lynchpin of what has become the expanded battleground between the conservatives and liberals of our time. Of course the argument has become more complex with the each side claiming ownership of certain convictions and ideas. BTW, great post.

[Stardust]

I'm sure you don't have anything to do with handling my money. I know my guys personally, they have been to my house.

Then you are not dealing with our company - well, we are probably the one's who do the back-end processing

[TheRealVille]

Then you are not dealing with our company - well, we are probably the one's who do the back-end processing

I'll guarantee you are no middle man between my guys, and where my money is invested.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Who have the Muslim Messenger and the Islamic Independent endorsed? I would assume one of their own.

[TheRealThing]

Who have the Muslim Messenger and the Islamic Independent endorsed? I would assume one of their own.

I don't know about those two publications, but I can tell you that Iran's president Ahmadinejad endorsed Obama. In fact, I'd almost bet he has contributed to Obama's campaign via the illegal overseas contributions made on his donation website.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

The boy has also been endorsed by Chavez, Castro, and Putin. Of course, birds of a feather do flock together.

Romney has been, in essence, endorsed by Netanyahu.

[TheRealVille]

The boy has also been endorsed by Chavez, Castro, and Putin. Of course, birds of a feather do flock together.

Romney has been, in essence, endorsed by Netanyahu.

Obama has also been endorsed by god. See Romans 13.

[TheRealThing]

Obama has also been endorsed by god. See Romans 13.

Not true. God has endorsed the various govenmental controls of the nations. God knew King Herod was going to murder the first born son of every family in the region in an effort to murder the infant Lord Jesus, and still, He allowed his ascention to power. I don't think endorsement is the word I would choose.

[TheRealVille]

Not true. God has endorsed the various govenmental controls of the nations. God knew King Herod was going to murder the first born son of every family in the region in an effort to murder the infant Lord Jesus, and still, He allowed his ascention to power. I don't think endorsement is the word I would choose.

Maybe the word you should use is ordained(in your bible), because that's the word he used. There are more. Maybe this doesn't apply to American politics, though. Are you privy to private interpretation, or does it mean what it says?

New International Version (©1984)
Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
New Living Translation (©2007)
Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God.

English Standard Version (©2001)
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

International Standard Version (©2008)
Every person must be subject to the governing authorities, for no authority exists except by God's permission. The existing authorities have been established by God,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Let every soul be subject to the authority of the great, for there is no authority that is not from the same God, and those authorities who are from God are under orders.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Every person should obey the government in power. No government would exist if it hadn't been established by God. The governments which exist have been put in place by God.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

American King James Version
Let every soul be subject to the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

American Standard Version
Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the powers that be are ordained of God.

Douay-Rheims Bible
LET every soul be subject to higher powers: for there is no power but from God: and those that are, are ordained of God.

Darby Bible Translation
Let every soul be subject to the authorities that are above him. For there is no authority except from God; and those that exist are set up by God.

English Revised Version
Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the powers that be are ordained of God.

Webster's Bible Translation
Let every soul be subject to the higher powers. For there is no power but from God: the powers that are, are ordained by God.

Weymouth New Testament
Let every individual be obedient to those who rule over him; for no one is a ruler except by God's permission, and our present rulers have had their rank and power assigned to them by Him.

World English Bible
Let every soul be in subjection to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those who exist are ordained by God.

Young's Literal Translation
Let every soul to the higher authorities be subject, for there is no authority except from God, and the authorities existing are appointed by God,

[TheRealThing]

Maybe the word you should use is ordained(in your bible), because that's the word he used. There are more. Maybe this doesn't apply to American politics, though.

I'm glad you're in mood to envoke scripture tonight as you said "I don't live by the bible, you all do. Just saying there is a lot of laughing at god, according to the book you all subscribe to, according to scripture."

Just as the laws of this land apply to those who live by it, as well as those who choose not to, God's law applies to all men, those who recogize it as God's Word and those who don't. Acts 4:10-12 (KJV)
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

But back to your attempts to make it seem like God has endorsed Obama. Okay, now I see your problem. You don't understand that the president is not above the law. See, he is bound by the same set of laws you and I are. He is only there to UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION. You remember, it goes something like this, "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Our idea of government is OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE. In our society, we are the government due to the fact that we are a self governing society. Obama by the way he lives out his life (at least while in office) is to be done in a way that protrays that fact before the people and the world. Defying one half of the congress and proclaiming them to be obstructionists and essentially outlaws to our land, is something far short of that calling.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Obama has also been endorsed by god. See Romans 13.

Amusing. Particularly when coming from a secular humanist. When St. Paul wrote the Letter to the Romans, I don't think he had your radial Muslim socialist in mind.