[TheRealVille]

Fine, in any event then, prop 8 clearly demonstrated the will of the people was not to allow legalized gay marriage in California. The referendum as the will of the people rules.

Do they overrule the district court? FTR, CA appears to want a do over. The majority now favor same sex marriage.

[TheRealThing]

The Supreme Court can do pretty much whatever it wants. That may be the biggest danger in electing a socialist who does not believe in the Constitution president. Given enough Kegans on the Court, anything is possible. The Supreme Court is a reflection of our sick, semi-literate society.

However, I would not be shocked by a 7-2 or 6-4 decision, because any members of the SCOTUS that vote to require states to recognize gay marriage are essentially saying that the Constitution is subject to the whims of public opinion. The amendment process was devised as a safeguard against such unprincipled rulings but it will become irrelevant if the socialist freaks win this case. I suspect that more than 5 of the Justices are concerned about their legacy.

Who wants to be remembered by history as a key figure in the decline of our government's tradition of the rule of law and not of men? When the left starts winning cases such as this one, a dictatorship will not be far behind.

All I can say is stock up on ammo. :biggrin:

[TheRealThing]

Do they overrule the district court?

Does the district court overrule the state legislature?

[TheRealVille]

Does the district court overrule the state legislature?

I would say the US district court does, yes. But, they didn't over the State legislature, they overruled the voter referendum.

[Hoot Gibson]

Do they overrule the district court? FTR, CA appears to want a do over. The majority now favor same sex marriage.

If that is true, then maybe they should petition the state to get the issue on the ballot again.

[TheRealVille]

If that is true, then maybe they should petition the state to get the issue on the ballot again.

They won't have to if the big court reverts it back to district court, right?

[Hoot Gibson]

They won't have to if the big court reverts it back to district court, right?

It is easy to claim public opinion is on your side when you are unwilling to put it to the test of a vote. That is the liberal way. Thwarting the will of the majority is much easier than doing things the right way - the American way.

[TheRealThing]

It is easy to claim public opinion is on your side when you are unwilling to put it to the test of a vote. That is the liberal way. Thwarting the will of the majority is much easier than doing things the right way - the American way.

What a mess. The 9th court of appeals held prop 8 to be unconstitutional in which the will of the people were run over by the court. Activist judges who lack conscience will be the death of us.

[TheRealVille]

What a mess. The 9th court of appeals held prop 8 to be unconstitutional in which the will of the people were run over by the court. Activist judges who lack conscience will be the death of us.

Do you want the matter left up to the states? Then surely you are against DOMA?

[TheRealThing]

Do you want the matter left up to the states? Then surely you are against DOMA?

Doesn't matter what I want unless that happens to jibe with the law of the land. I heard today some lawyers saying that it will probably wind up in the hands of the individual states. And still the outcome is totally undiscernible. However much I may despise the notion of legalizing gay marriage, I will always believe the Constitution clearly declares the states to be sovereign entities. It's their call. You are completely against that idea though right?

[Hoot Gibson]

I have always thought that DOMA would be found unconstitutional, for the same reason that I don't believe that the federal government has the authority to force gay marriage on the entire nation. Short orf a constitutional amendment, I think that is the way that it should remain. I fear that the Supreme Court might do something crazy and abuse the Commerce clause again as an excuse to rationalize issuing a decision based on the political will of its liberal members.

[TheRealThing]

I have always thought that DOMA would be found unconstitutional, for the same reason that I don't believe that the federal government has the authority to force gay marriage on the entire nation. Short orf a constitutional amendment, I think that is the way that it should remain. I fear that the Supreme Court might do something crazy and abuse the Commerce clause again as an excuse to rationalize issuing a decision based on the political will of its liberal members.

My fear is the deal with the children in gay households. The idea of not disenfranchising these kids in some way if their whatzzits are not allowed to get married and, as was discussed to some extent by Kennedy was troubling. Something like that could give the perception of moral high ground for them to hide behind. You have to hate it for the kids in a situation like that in the first place. Speculation is they will send it back to California due to questions of the congressional group's standing for having it heard by the SCOTUS. Admittedly, a SCOTUS refusal to rule on gay marriage is consistent with the idea that the court can't rule on something that is not addressed in the Constitution. So, it might be back to the California zoo keepers.

[TheRealThing]

If Clinton signed DOMA into law for purely political reasons, he clearly had a decent handle on the law, even if he showed boundless contempt for it in his impeachment proceeding.

Said Clinton about DOMA --- "I have long opposed governmental recognition of same-gender marriages and this legislation is consistent with that position. The Act confirms the right of each state to determine its own policy with respect to same gender marriage and clarifies for purposes of federal law the operative meaning of the terms "marriage" and "spouse"."

Bill Clinton fairly blazes like a knight in shinning armor compared to present day liberal monstrosities that tread today's nightmarish political landscape.

[WideRight05]

If Clinton signed DOMA into law for purely political reasons, he clearly had a decent handle on the law, even if he showed boundless contempt for it in his impeachment proceeding.

Said Clinton about DOMA --- "I have long opposed governmental recognition of same-gender marriages and this legislation is consistent with that position. The Act confirms the right of each state to determine its own policy with respect to same gender marriage and clarifies for purposes of federal law the operative meaning of the terms "marriage" and "spouse"."

Bill Clinton fairly blazes like a knight in shinning armor compared to present day liberal monstrosities that tread today's nightmarish political landscape.

Clinton will do anything for political gain. I've been studying a lot on him lately and find it interesting how he came across more moderate and even somewhat conservative in the late 80's and early 90's when he made his big run. The group called the "new democrats" formed when Bush I was elected and set out to make a better impression on conservative voters back then. Clinton was one of the main people behind that group.

[Hoot Gibson]

Clinton is very fortunate to have been sandwiched between the two worst presidents in American history, Jimmy Carter and Barack Obama. History will be kind to Clinton because historians will be too busy blaming Carter and Obama for the demise of our great nation. Working with Republicans on the budget and other issues gave historians something positive on which they could focus, while virtually ignoring his impeachment.

[vector]

clinton is very fortunate to have been sandwiched between the two worst presidents in american history, jimmy carter and barack obama. History will be kind to clinton because historians will be too busy blaming carter and obama for the demise of our great nation. Working with republicans on the budget and other issues gave historians something positive on which they could focus, while virtually ignoring his impeachment.

da you forgot bush 2

[Hoot Gibson]

da you forgot bush 2

No, I didn't forget Bush "2," nor did I forget George H. W. Bush, who was Clinton's immediate predecessor. I named the two worst U.S. presidents, Carter and Obama.