[WideMiddle03]

he quoted three other sources
you use wikipedia do you not
duck dodge and dive

[TheRealVille]

he quoted three other sources
you use wikipedia do you not
duck dodge and dive

You said he didn't use Fox. I said he did. You lie as always.

[WideMiddle03]

You said he didn't use Fox. I said he did. You lie as always.

:biglmao: duck dive and dodge
as long as u don't have 2 deal with the FACTS it's ok

duck and dodge
double d

[TheRealThing]

You said he didn't use Fox. I said he did. You lie as always.

But, when you go to great lengths, making a post suggesting that there have been many American diplomatic deaths associated with the George W Bush era, when in fact there were ZERO, that's not lying?

[TheRealVille]

But, when you go to great lengths, making a post suggesting that there have been many American diplomatic deaths associated with the George W Bush era, when in fact there were ZERO, that's not lying?

There were. It's recorded fact.

June 14, 2002, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide bomber kills 12 and injures 51.
February 20, 2003, international diplomatic compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
Truck bomb kills 17.

February 28, 2003, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Gunmen on motorcycles killed two consulate guards.

July 30, 2004, U.S. embassy in Taskkent, Uzbekistan
Suicide bomber kills two.

December 6, 2004, U.S. consulate in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Militants stormed and occupied perimeter wall. Five killed, 10 wounded.

March 2, 2006, U.S. consulate in Karachi, Pakistan
Suicide car bomber killed four, including a U.S. diplomate directly targeted by the assailants.

September 12, 2006, U.S. embassy in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen attacked embassy with grenades, automatic weapons, and a car bomb (though second truck bomb failed to detonate). One killed and 13 wounded.

January 12, 2007, U.S. embassy in Athens, Greece
A rocket-propelled grenade was fired at the embassy building. No one was injured.

July 9, 2008, U.S. consulate in Istanbul, Turkey
Armed men attacked consulate with pistols and shotguns. Three policemen killed.

March 18, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Mortar attack misses embassy, hits nearby girls' school instead.

September 17, 2008, U.S. embassy in Sana'a, Yemen
Militants dressed as policemen attacked the embassy with RPGs, rifles, grenades and car bombs. Six Yemeni soldiers and seven civilians were killed. Sixteen more were injured.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/12...est-of-all
http://www.google.com/search?client=safa...8&oe=UTF-8

2002 United States Karachi, Pakistan 12 2002 US consulate bombing in Karachi
2003 Jordan Baghdad, Iraq 17 2003 Jordanian embassy bombing in Baghdad
2003 Turkey Baghdad, Iraq 1 Turkish embassy bombing in Baghdad[8]
2003 United Kingdom Istanbul, Turkey 71 2003 Istanbul bombings
2004 Israel Tashkent, Uzbekistan 2 Tashkent embassy bombings
2004 United States Tashkent, Uzbekistan 2 Tashkent embassy bombings
2004 Australia Jakarta, Indonesia 9 2004 Australian Embassy bombing in Jakarta
2004 Malaysia Manila, Philippines 2004 Malaysian embassy siege by protesters[citation needed]
2004 United States Jeddah, Saudi Arabia Jeddah consulate attack
2006 United States Damascus, Syria 4 Damascus bombings and other attacks
2006 Denmark Tehran, Iran Denmark–Iran relations
2006 Denmark Beirut, Lebanon February 2006 See the 4th of February
2006 Denmark Damascus, Syria Denmark–Syria relations
2006 Italy Benghazi, Libya
2007 United States Athens, Greece 0 Embassy of the United States, Athens
2007 Spain Kinshasa, Democratic Republic of the Congo
2007 Russia San José, Costa Rica
2007 United States Vienna, Austria [citation needed]
2007 People's Republic of China New Delhi, India
2008 United States Belgrade, Serbia 1[9] 2008 Serbia protests
2008 Israel Nouakchott, Mauritania
2008 Denmark Islamabad, Pakistan 2008 Danish embassy bombing in Islamabad
2008 India Kabul, Afghanistan 2008 Indian embassy bombing in Kabul
2008 United States Istanbul, Turkey 6 2008 United States consulate in Istanbul attack
2008 United States Sana‘a, Yemen 19 2008 attack on the American Embassy in Yemen
2008 Ethiopia Hargeisa, Somalia 30 2008 Hargeisa–Bosaso bombings

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_att...c_missions

[TheRealThing]

There you go again. It had been 30 years since an American death had occurred in diplomatic service when those four were slain in Benghazi. Who really cares how many foreigners got blown up by car bombs during a foiled attack on one or our embassies, much less the embassies of other lands? You were trying to justify your boy and saying this is all very commonplace. It is anything but.

[TheRealVille]

There you go again. It had been 30 years since an American death had occurred in diplomatic service when those four were slain in Benghazi. Who really cares how many foreigners got blown up by car bombs during a foiled attack on one or our embassies, much less the embassies of other lands? You were trying to justify your boy and saying this is all very commonplace. It is anything but.

There you go again, lying.

2000 - USS Cole attacked, 17 U.S. Navy sailors killed, 39 sailors injured.
2001 - September 11, 2001 attacks, 2,997 killed;
2002 - Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and beheaded in Karachi.
2002 - Nine people killed by bomb blast near US embassy in Lima - seen as attempt to disrupt forthcoming visit by President George W. Bush.
2002-2006 - Karachi consulate attacks: three separate attacks killed 18 people (including an American diplomat) and injured 87.
2002 - Two Marines shot, one killed in Kuwait.
2003 - Riyadh Compound Bombings kill 9 Americans, among 35 others.
2003 - Three American diplomats are killed by a roadside bomb targeting their convoy in Gaza. Palestine Resistance Committees, an umbrella organization has taken responsibility for the attack."[2]
2003–present - Damascus terrorist attacks: American interests in Syria targeted by Islamists.
2004 - Civilians Nick Berg, Jack Hensley, and Eugene Armstrong kidnapped and beheaded in Iraq.
2004 - Paul Marshall Johnson, Jr, civilian working in Saudi Arabia, kidnapped and beheaded; five other Americans die in attacks in Saudi Arabia in 2004.
2007 - American embassy attacked in Athens, Greece.
2008 - John Granville, US diplomat, assassinated in Khartoum, Sudan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ass..._Americans

[TheRealVille]

^ I could go back the full 30 years, and find several more, but the Bush years are enough to prove you a liar.

1983 - Bombing at United States Embassy in Beirut, April 18, 1983. 63 people, including 17 Americans, are killed.
1983 - Beirut barracks bombing, October 23, 1983. 305 people, including 241 US servicemen, are killed by 2 suicide bombers.
1983 - On November 7, the Armed Resistance Unit, a militant leftist group, bombs the U.S. Capitol in response to the U.S. invasion of Grenada.
1984 - Twenty-two people were killed (two of them American) and seventy were wounded when a van loaded with four hundred pounds of explosives exploded in front of the U.S. Embassy annex in Awkar, Lebanon. Islamic Jihad (code name of Hezbollah) claimed responsibility for the bombing in a call to the media.
1985 - TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver is killed by Hezbollah.
1985 - Achille Lauro hijacking, wheel-chair bound American killed by Palestinian militants.
1985 - US Army Specialist Edward Pimental was murdered by members of the Red Army Faction. His military identification card was later used to gain access to Rhein-Main Air Base to plant a car bomb.
1985 - A car bomb exploded at Rhein-Main Air Base, killing two and wounding eleven.
1985 - A car bomb exploded outside of the Post Exchange complex in Frankfurt, Germany, wounding 34[1]
1986 - Four Americans were killed and five Americans were injured when a bomb exploded aboard TWA Flight 840 as it traveled from Rome to Athens. The aircraft was able to land safely at Athens International Airport.
1986 - On April 6, a Berlin discotheque bombing killed a Turkish woman and 2 US servicemen and injured 230 people, including more than 50 American servicemen.
1987 - A car bomb exploded outside the back gate of the U.S. Embassy in Rome and mortars were fired at the compound from across the street. One passerby was injured in the attacks.
1988 - On April 14 at 8 p.m., a car bomb exploded in front of the USO Club in Naples, Italy. Five people died and fifteen were injured, including four U.S. servicemen who were injured and US Navy Petty Officer Angela Santos, 21, was killed. Junzo Okudaira, a Japanese Red Army (JRA) member, was indicted in the United States on April 9, 1993 for the Naples bombing. Okudaira is also a suspect in the June 1987 car bombing and mortar attack against the U.S. Embassy in Rome.
1988 - Pan Am Flight 103, outbound from London for New York with 259 people aboard, was destroyed by a bomb on December 21, 1988 while over Lockerbie, Scotland. All aboard the aircraft were killed as were eleven persons on the ground.
1988 - 1990 - Marine Col. Rich Higgins kidnapped, tortured and murdered by Hezbollah terrorists.
1993 - World Trade Center bombing, February 26: 6 killed, 1,042 injured.
1993 - Attack at CIA Headquarters in McLean, Virginia, January 25: 2 killed, 3 injured.
1995 - Killing of two US Diplomats in Pakistan, March 8.
1995 - Oklahoma City bombing, 168 killed, over 800 injured. April 19.
1996 - Khobar Towers bombing: 19 American servicemen killed.
1998 - US embassy bombings: U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 214 killed (including 12 Americans); U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 11 killed.
2000 - USS Cole attacked, 17 U.S. Navy sailors killed, 39 sailors injured.
2001 - September 11, 2001 attacks, 2,997 killed;
2002 - Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and beheaded in Karachi.
2002 - Nine people killed by bomb blast near US embassy in Lima - seen as attempt to disrupt forthcoming visit by President George W. Bush.
2002-2006 - Karachi consulate attacks: three separate attacks killed 18 people (including an American diplomat) and injured 87.
2002 - Two Marines shot, one killed in Kuwait.
2003 - Riyadh Compound Bombings kill 9 Americans, among 35 others.
2003 - Three American diplomats are killed by a roadside bomb targeting their convoy in Gaza. Palestine Resistance Committees, an umbrella organization has taken responsibility for the attack."[2]
2003–present - Damascus terrorist attacks: American interests in Syria targeted by Islamists.
2004 - Civilians Nick Berg, Jack Hensley, and Eugene Armstrong kidnapped and beheaded in Iraq.
2004 - Paul Marshall Johnson, Jr, civilian working in Saudi Arabia, kidnapped and beheaded; five other Americans die in attacks in Saudi Arabia in 2004.
2007 - American embassy attacked in Athens, Greece.
2008 - John Granville, US diplomat, assassinated in Khartoum, Sudan

[TheRealThing]

There you go again, lying.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ass..._Americans

Heck RV, over a quarter of a million people die everyday due to something. Let's just declare them all foreign diplomats. :biglmao:

[TheRealVille]

Heck RV, over a quarter of a million people die everyday due to something. Let's just declare them all foreign diplomats. :biglmao:

Some of those were American diplomats. I see you swimming backwards, with no acknowedgement that you are wrong.

[TheRealVille]

^ You lied about diplomats deaths in the last 30 years last night, and you continue it today, even after being proven wrong.

[TheRealThing]

^ You lied about diplomats deaths in the last 30 years last night, and you continue it today, even after being proven wrong.

I know you went to your fav "Mother Jones" and researched a response to try to protect your liberal hero. I also know there had not been a successful attack on American embassies in the preceeding 30 years to Benghazi. The truth is already out. special forces were ordered to stand down, they had real time intel, they all lied about it.

You need to print all that stuff off and hop an flight to DC cause the Thrill and the Hill are gonna need it.

[TheRealVille]

I know you went to your fav "Mother Jones" and researched a response to try to protect your liberal hero. I also know there had not been a successful attack on American embassies in the preceeding 30 years to Benghazi. The truth is already out. special forces were ordered to stand down, they had real time intel, they all lied about it.

You need to print all that stuff off and hop an flight to DC cause the Thrill and the Hill are gonna need it.

You said no American had been killed in diplomatic service in the last 30 years, and I proved you a liar. Wiggle all you want, it's in print, locked in.

There you go again. It had been 30 years since an American death had occurred in diplomatic service when those four were slain in Benghazi. Who really cares how many foreigners got blown up by car bombs during a foiled attack on one or our embassies, much less the embassies of other lands? You were trying to justify your boy and saying this is all very commonplace. It is anything but.

[TheRealVille]

There you go again. It had been 30 years since an American death had occurred in diplomatic service when those four were slain in Benghazi. Who really cares how many foreigners got blown up by car bombs during a foiled attack on one or our embassies, much less the embassies of other lands? You were trying to justify your boy and saying this is all very commonplace. It is anything but.

I also just noticed from your post the depth of your christianity and love for god. I use small case on purpose, just in your case. They would have been capitalized for people that truly act Christian.

[TheRealThing]

I also just noticed from your post the depth of your christianity and love for god. I use small case on purpose, just in your case. They would have been capitalized for people that truly act Christian.

Like I said. Liberals must be adept at lying to themselves in order to ignore the mountains of evidence out there running contrary to their doctrines. In that regard you truly are a genius. :1:

[TheRealVille]

Like I said. Liberals must be adept at lying to themselves in order to ignore the mountains of evidence out there running contrary to their doctrines. In that regard you truly are a genius. :1:

They don't need to lie to themselves on here, they got you doing it, as has been proven today. You have no problem lying to promote your agenda. The proof is only a few posts above. You outright lied about diplomat deaths, and got your ass handed to you, and still won't admit it. :Thumbs:

[TheRealThing]

They don't need to lie to themselves on here, they got you doing it, as has been proven today. You have no problem lying to promote your agenda. The proof is only a few posts above. You outright lied about diplomat deaths, and got your ass handed to you, and still won't admit it. :Thumbs:

Actually I don't have an agenda. Unlike you however, I can sort through the mainstream lies and see the truth.

[TheRealVille]

Actually I don't have an agenda. Unlike you however, I can sort through the mainstream lies and see the truth.

Undoubtably you can't. The truth was posted in front of your face, and you wouldn't even acknowledge it.

[TheRealThing]

Undoubtably you can't. The truth was posted in front of your face, and you wouldn't even acknowledge it.

Here ya go. You need to get somebody at the Post on the phone and get them straightened out.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nati...aphic.html

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[TheRealVille]

Here ya go. You need to get somebody at the Post on the phone and get them straightened out.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nati...aphic.html

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Ambassadors aren't the only US diplomats. You didn't narrow your lie down to ambassadors.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/02/world/....html?_r=0

The United States Foreign Service is a component of the United States federal government under the aegis of the United States Department of State. It consists of approximately 15,000 professionals[1] carrying out the foreign policy of the United States and aiding U.S. citizens abroad.[2][3]
Created in 1924 by the Rogers Act, the Foreign Service combined all consular and diplomatic services of the U.S. government into one administrative unit. In addition to the unit's function, the Rogers Act defined a personnel system under which the United States Secretary of State is authorized to assign diplomats abroad.
Members of the Foreign Service are selected through a series of written and oral examinations. They serve at any of the 265 United States diplomatic missions around the world, including embassies, consulates, and other facilities. Members of the Foreign Service also staff the headquarters of the four foreign affairs agencies: the Department of State, headquartered at Harry S Truman Building in the Foggy Bottom neighborhood of Washington, D.C.; the Department of Agriculture; the Department of Commerce; and the United States Agency for International Development.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Stat...gn_Service

[WideMiddle03]

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[TheRealThing]

Ambassadors aren't the only US diplomats. You didn't narrow your lie down to ambassadors.

You either don't know when to shut up or you just can't shut up. One way or the other you're wrong. The terms are often used in a either/or way. But, your lack of grace forced me to expose your ignorance on the matter.

[TheRealVille]

You either don't know when to shut up or you just can't shut up. One way or the other you're wrong. The terms are often used in a either/or way. But, your lack of grace forced me to expose your ignorance on the matter.

No, your lies forced you to back up. You said no diplomat had died in service in 30 years when they have in fact had several US diplomats died in the last 30 years. If you meant ambassadors you should have said it before I made you look like a blooming moron. There are in the neighborhood of 15,000 US diplomats doing foreign service work abroad. Even the other 3 killed in Benghazi were considered US diplomats. You even included them at one point in your posts, proving you didn't only mean ambassadors. The post makes it woefully obvious you included the other 3 as diplomats. You are a proven liar, and the only one on this board that it's not obvious to, is you.

There you go again. It had been 30 years since an American death had occurred in diplomatic service when those four were slain in Benghazi. Who really cares how many foreigners got blown up by car bombs during a foiled attack on one or our embassies, much less the embassies of other lands? You were trying to justify your boy and saying this is all very commonplace. It is anything but.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Am..._diplomats

[TheRealThing]

No, your lies forced you to back up. You said no diplomat had died in service in 30 years when they have in fact had several US diplomats died in the last 30 years. If you meant ambassadors you should have said it before I made you look like a blooming moron. There are in the neighborhood of 15,000 US diplomats doing foreign service work abroad. Even the other 3 killed in Benghazi were considered US diplomats. You even included them at one point in your posts, proving you didn't only mean ambassadors. The post makes it woefully obvious you included the other 3 as diplomats. You are a proven liar, and the only one on this board that it's not obvious to, is you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Am..._diplomats

Typical liberal, I can't help it if your reading skills continually fail you. All you ever got is personal attack. You posted a long list of names, the vast majority of which were foreign nationals. Most of the other incidents on your list didn't even involve American embassies. Or had no involvement of Americans in any way. Foreigners who may have lost their lives in attacks of various embassies across the globe are hardly pertinent to tomorrow's hearing. My link proves the gist of my point. I've been hearing that 30 year stat regarding the death of Ambassador/Diplomat Stevens for months. I posted the names, dates, pictures and a link to the Washington Post to for all to see. You want to hang you're crowning moment in political debate on a matter of semantics that suits me.

I didn't know anybody would mistake Navy Seals for diplomats but, I will have to say I really admire the way Seals employ diplomacy. Glen Doherty and Tyrone Woods were the best.

[TheRealVille]

This statement, no matter how you try to twist it, is either outright lie, or a moron statement. Tell all the US diplomats killed in the last 30 years, that are dead, that they weren't killed, and weren't US Diplomats. No..wait... you can't , they're dead.

It had been 30 years since an American death had occurred in diplomatic service when those four were slain in Benghazi.

[Hoot Gibson]

This statement, no matter how you try to twist it, is either outright lie, or a moron statement. Tell all the US diplomats killed in the last 30 years, that are dead, that they weren't killed, and weren't US Diplomats. No..wait... you can't , they're dead.

Looking at your lists, there seems to be far more non-diplomats on them than diplomats. Yet, you are once again accusing somebody else of twisting sorts and distorting facts. Your hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

[TheRealVille]

Looking at your lists, there seems to be far more non-diplomats on them than diplomats. Yet, you are once again accusing somebody else of twisting sorts and distorting facts. Your hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

The list isn't just diplomats. Anybody can see that it isn't just diplomats deaths abroad, but it does include them. The list is just Wiki's List of assassinations and acts of terrorism against Americans. It includes the proof that TRT is a liar, though. He was just trying to twist facts, and post half truths, like he always does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ass..._Americans

[TheRealVille]

^ You should have noticed in the one of the original list(#127), where I quoted Wiki, I even went through the trouble to bold a few of the diplomatic deaths, so they would be easy to find.

[TheRealVille]

Looking at your lists, there seems to be far more non-diplomats on them than diplomats. Yet, you are once again accusing somebody else of twisting sorts and distorting facts. Your hypocrisy never ceases to amaze me.

I can't see where you called TRT out on his distortion of facts.

[TheRealThing]

The list isn't just diplomats. Anybody can see that it isn't just diplomats deaths abroad, but it does include them. The list is just Wiki's List of assassinations and acts of terrorism against Americans. It includes the proof that TRT is a liar, though. He was just trying to twist facts, and post half truths, like he always does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ass..._Americans

Well, if there was any confusion about my meaning, once I posted the link anybody could see, other than a homespun self absorbed hillbilly narcissist, what I was talking about. No matter how many people come on here and bust you for your liberally based biases, you continue to persist in your self delusions about being the rooster debater of BGR. Again, self deception is requisite in the case of liberals as they have to dodge the truth at every turn. And, there is no situation where the tactic would not work.

As I said, and as you dodged, the media have used that 30 year number for the months following the Benghazi attacks and the subsequent cover up. That is what I find to be important about all this. Not whether somebody like you, who can only sling mud and call people names like a little brat, has ever learned when to shut up.

You were making the attempt to mollycoddle your idolized president, minimizing the importance of the Benghazi debacle by trying to use a long list of incidents to proffer the idea that such deaths are rather commonplace and therefore no big deal. He like you, emphasizes the social degradation relabeled "change", and "moving forward." I believe to witness the complete collapse of morality would comfort you personally somehow, perhaps making you feel better about your disdain for Christianity and proving to yourself that there really aren't people who actually love order and good in society?