[RunItUpTheGut]

After posting the 6 classes final draft alignments, I thought everyone would like to see what schools wanted a change and what schools were approved/denied.

Sheldon Clark made a motion to consider enrollment appeal.
(Sheldon Clark wanted to move down to 2A as there expecting there numbers to take a hit long before the next realignment and cycle). This request was denied.

Consider Requests to Change Class

Bath County and West Carter play up passed
Shelby County to stay in 4A, District 4
Shawnee deny request
Deny request North Hardin 5A request, remind of two year adjustment.


Consider Requests for Geographic Movement within Draft
Actions:
Berea from District 5 to District 8 Hazard from District 7 to District 8 passed

Switch Webster County and Todd County Central passed

Henry County (3A) added to be added to District 3 passed

Magoffin County move to District 7 passed

Deny Fairdale request, Districts remain the same

Deny Jackson County Request, leave in District 8

Decline Madison Southerns request

Whitley County to 5A District 8 passed


Consider Playoff Bracketing System, 5A, 6A

6A 2015 only in order to prepare for that season we do a one year straight across. .
5A 2015 only in order to prepare for that season we do a one year straight across.

Consider Alignment Parameters for 2015-2016 adjustments for 2017

Through 2016, 2 year cycle of withdrawal from district. passed
Enrollment adjustment mid cycle passed

http://portal.ksba.org/public/Meeting.as...cyTypeID=1

[RunItUpTheGut]

There is a pdf on the link that shows every schools responses to the alignment.

Many schools just said yes, we favor.
However, there were quite a few who stated there opinions for geographic concerns. Heck, Just looking at the first few, Apollo school let the KHSAA know there should only be 5 classes instead of 6. Pretty interesting read, without even scrolling down, I see schools like Bath, Berea, etc were majorly concerned about travel times.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I did find this funny....

As many schools were sweating bullets and mad at the world, Highlands AD Mueller had this to say..."We greatly appreciate the hard work and excellent job done by the KHSAA on
the realignment. It is obvious that you value the experience of the players at
all of the schools in the state."

lol, most schools just said yes we favor, but this should give a lot of members more rights to think there a smoking gun at highlands nicker:

[RunItUpTheGut]

Here is what Jackson County had to say....

We oppose the alignment proposal due to travel, competition, no established
rivals, better gate, and less travel. The travel from Jackson County to Bell and
Casey counties would be far greater than that Breathitt and or Morgan
County. As well as travel, because of the limited tradition of our team we
believe that staying in the previous district is better for our football program
and that playing teams such as Bell County and Corbin will only be
detrimental to our program and drive our numbers down. We are trying to
build at Jackson County and staying in the proposed district would only hinder
our growth. Jackson County would like to be in the district with our previous
teams as well as possibly Estill and Powell who we are in the geographic
proximety with and are more comparable. Also our gate would suffer due to
the fact of our are only competetive district games would be Casey and
McCreary who are both very far away and there would be little hope against
Bell and Corbin. We appreciate your consideration for our concerns and hope
that you will look into putting us into another district that would help Jackson
County Football grow for the future.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Here is what Madison Southern had to say about there move...

Madison Southern High School is opposed to the realignment proposed
earlier this month due to several factors. With the current teams in 5a,
district 7, we have over the years fought bitter contest with these schools and
have built up not only a following of fans but have also developed good,
strong rivalries. It has been the opinion of many people that 2 of the strongest
teams in 5a last year were in district 7 and we hope to continue this rivalry
not only this year but in the years to come. We have a strong desire to be
back into a district with Pulaski, South Laurel, Lincoln, and Southwestern, and
they have a desire for us to keep the up the rivalries developed over the years
together. This alignment is good for the district and is good for high school
football as well. We understand that this is personal to us but we also
understand that the numerous phone calls we have received have been laced
with questions about the loss of history, tradition and competiveness among
the current schools. Not only has there been a tradition among the schools
in the current district but over the last few years there have been a rivalry
between district 7 and district 8 that will be lost, namely the one between
Madison Southern and Harlan County. This game will also be lost to the
realignment proposed if we are moved out of the 7th district this is not good

[RunItUpTheGut]

Heres what Montgomery County had to say....
I got a kick out of this one...

We prefer rotating districts for the playoffs similiar to how they do in Class
6A. This would mean that one year we would match up with district 5 then 4
the next year and so on. This would keep us from being paired with the
Highlands/Cov. Cath./Dixie district every year for region.

Welcome to the previous life of Johnson Central nicker:

[RunItUpTheGut]

Here is Phelps' response...

Oppose the inclusion of Hazard in 1A District 8...move Hazard to District
6(making a 4 team district) or replace with Paintsville due to travel distance.
This is also a 5 team district...one of two in 1A...while others are 3 and 4 team
districts. The 60th District had to realign our basketball district due to other
districts have more teams in than our distirct. If the re‐alignment was ok to
make districts even... then the same rules should apply to football as well.


And Pikevilles...

Not a fan of a 5 team district. No ned to move Hazard to District 8. Just
exactly who was involved in developing the new draft alignment?

[RunItUpTheGut]

I COMPLETELY agree with Pulaski County....

"We would like to see all schools play in the classification their numbers put
them in. Just as it was for the previous 4 years. No one should be allowed to
play up or down."

[RunItUpTheGut]

Bullitt Centrals Response...

Changes: My only question is in regards to 5A football between district 3
and 4. Why would you have South Oldham and Oldham drive by Fern Creek,
Atherton, and Southern on their way to play a district game against North
Bullitt and Bullitt Central. Solution: Move Southern and Fairdale to District
4 and move South Oldham and Oldham to district 3. You would still have 6
team district and a nice concentric region while eliminatng unnecessary
travel. I know the Jefferson county schools want to be together, but they
shouldn't get to make that call.you have split the Bullitt County schools many
times in all sports.

[Pigskinman53]

I COMPLETELY agree with Pulaski County....

"We would like to see all schools play in the classification their numbers put
them in. Just as it was for the previous 4 years. No one should be allowed to
play up or down."

I too agree with this. Once school X is allowed to move up or down, and School Y isn't you're opening up a whole can of worms.

[EKUAlum05]

Here is Phelps' response...

Oppose the inclusion of Hazard in 1A District 8...move Hazard to District
6(making a 4 team district) or replace with Paintsville due to travel distance.
This is also a 5 team district...one of two in 1A...while others are 3 and 4 team
districts. The 60th District had to realign our basketball district due to other
districts have more teams in than our distirct. If the re‐alignment was ok to
make districts even... then the same rules should apply to football as well.


And Pikevilles...

Not a fan of a 5 team district. No ned to move Hazard to District 8. Just
exactly who was involved in developing the new draft alignment?

Weak Sauce.

[Pigskinman53]

Seems as if they are running from Hazard

[footballfever]

Weak Sauce.

AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why are Pikeville and Phelps allowed to determine where Hazard goes. That's CS on a lot of peoples part.
Is there a Pikeville person on BOC?

[EKUAlum05]

Seems as if they are running from Hazard

I won't go that far... but it is very clear they are pushing for the path of least resistance.

You will have to face Hazard anyway and let's be honest in this alignment you might as well pencil in a Pikeville vs. Hazard Regional Final.

This is simply Pikeville not wanting to play them twice, wanting an extra non-district game freed up, and trying to maximize home playoff games.

I can't blame Pikeville for wanting that...but at the same time it is beneath their standard to protest to the KHSAA. If the hand is dealt take it. I did not see a response from Hazard saying that a 5 team District was a bad idea.

[EKUAlum05]

If I am a betting man I would say that whoever from Pikeville made the protest didn't realize or think that the general public would be able to see it. Not a good look for the proud Panther program and I am willing to bet most Panther fans on this board are not proud of someone saying this.

[jammin' jamey]

And Pikevilles...

Not a fan of a 5 team district. No ned to move Hazard to District 8. Just
exactly who was involved in developing the new draft alignment?

In other words, "we just don't want to play Hazard." :hilarious:

[William Muney]

Unreal that Pikeville can have any say on where Hazard goes. How does Pikeville have that pull????

Jackson Counties arguement was pretty funny. When looking at Road mileage the difference is not that much between districts? I guess they measured as the crow flies. Corbin and Bell fans will outnumber anyone else they could bring to Jackson Co. I am going to say the first time Bell plays at Jackson it will be a record crowd for the Generals?

By reading some of the responses, it appears some of the reps are lacking in knowledge of the Georgraphy of Ky. The 1 from E'town is classic.

[EKUAlum05]

Unreal that Pikeville can have any say on where Hazard goes. How does Pikeville have that pull????

Jackson Counties arguement was pretty funny. When looking at Road mileage the difference is not that much between districts? I guess they measured as the crow flies. Corbin and Bell fans will outnumber anyone else they could bring to Jackson Co. I am going to say the first time Bell plays at Jackson it will be a record crowd for the Generals?

I can respect Jackson County's honesty though. They are basically admitting that they want to stay in a weaker district because it will help grow their program. It's a parallel to the teams that withdraw form district competition (or at least the proper reason why they should). As it stands now Jackson County is competing for a 3 Seed at best and a road playoff game... if they were with their old district it is not out of the realm of possibilities they could be competing for a District Title with Breathitt's program's issues on the horizon.

The ripple effect of winning..or even competing for a District Title... could have a huge positive role on the growth of their program.

[jammin' jamey]

AGREE!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why are Pikeville and Phelps allowed to determine where Hazard goes. That's CS on a lot of peoples part.
Is there a Pikeville person on BOC?

Here's a link to view the current members of the BOC. The 13th-14th region rep is Jeff Saylor of Pineville. http://khsaa.org/2013-2014-khsaa-board-of-control/

As for Hazard being moved and other schools swaying the decision, look at it like this: Hazard never spoke up and said "yes we agree" or "no we disagree" with the move. They never took the time to file an opinion one way or another. If Hazard isn't going to take the time to defend itself or form an opinion, the BOC has every right to assume they are fine with whatever their fate is going to be. There should be more blame placed on Hazard than saying Pikeville people influenced the decision and it's not fair. Hazard had a chance to file an opinion and failed.

[William Muney]

Pikeville not in 14th. They would have the 15th region rep. I think a guy from Paintsville?

[64SUR]

Here is Phelps' response...

Oppose the inclusion of Hazard in 1A District 8...move Hazard to District
6(making a 4 team district) or replace with Paintsville due to travel distance.
This is also a 5 team district...one of two in 1A...while others are 3 and 4 team
districts. The 60th District had to realign our basketball district due to other
districts have more teams in than our distirct. If the re‐alignment was ok to
make districts even... then the same rules should apply to football as well.


And Pikevilles...

Not a fan of a 5 team district. No ned to move Hazard to District 8. Just
exactly who was involved in developing the new draft alignment?

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Hail Pikeville and Hail Hazard :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: hazard and pikeville made a deal :lmao:

[footballfever]

Here's a link to view the current members of the BOC. The 13th-14th region rep is Jeff Saylor of Pineville. http://khsaa.org/2013-2014-khsaa-board-of-control/

As for Hazard being moved and other schools swaying the decision, look at it like this: Hazard never spoke up and said "yes we agree" or "no we disagree" with the move. They never took the time to file an opinion one way or another. If Hazard isn't going to take the time to defend itself or form an opinion, the BOC has every right to assume they are fine with whatever their fate is going to be. There should be more blame placed on Hazard than saying Pikeville people influenced the decision and it's not fair. Hazard had a chance to file an opinion and failed.

That may be some what legit arguement but these proposals arent made public until AFTER the alignment. SO, did Hazard even know Phelps, Pikeville had filed a request.

[eagles2011]

Sheldon Clark should of been dropped two 1 a or 2a with the coal mines shuting down every day , I was at a game last year when there 8 grade was playing pike central only saw around 14 players , I think that was 7 th and 8th combined

[former]

Did Corbin write in to keep Jackson in the Dist.

[William Muney]

Sheldon Clark should of been dropped two 1 a or 2a with the coal mines shuting down every day , I was at a game last year when there 8 grade was playing pike central only saw around 14 players , I think that was 7 th and 8th combined

You could make that excuse for nearly all the EKY counties that are not near the interstate. We are all loosing lots of kids and families.

[RunItUpTheGut]

The way im reading what Pikeville had to say was that they would have either seen Hazard
A. Get moved into the same district 7 as them.
OR
B. Move them to district 6.

Either way, its only putting it off a week each year. They are either going to have to play them in the second round of the playoffs or in the region final.
Not sure what the big deal would be.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Did Corbin write in to keep Jackson in the Dist.

Corbin didn't write anything in.
They just said they agreed with the alignment as every team had to do.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Here was Apollo's response...

We have AT LEAST one 2 1/2 to 3 hour road trip each year. (Marshall &
Graves are at least 2 1/2 hours) In addition ‐ Christian County is 1 hour 45
minutes. We are better off GEOGRAPHICALLY with a 5 class system.
(Indiana has twice as many high schools and only has 5 classes. If we had
complete knowledge of the placement prior to alignment ‐ we would have
chosen to compete 6A. At 6A we would have only had one 3 hour bus trip
EVERY OTHER YEAR (McCracken County) and all other trips would have been
under 90 minutes



Ive been saying for years a 5 class system I exactly what KY needs.
Not a 4, that didn't work. Not a 6, its not working.

5 would be the perfect formula for competition.

[Iam4thecats]

This whole thing got me to thinking about a proposed change to class 1a.
What if class a was by invitation only to the 36 weakest programs in the commonwealth. In lieu of becoming independent like I suggested in the other thread those 36 programs would be divided into 4 districts of 9 teams each, agree to play 8 district games and there would be no playoff at the end of the season at all for class 1a. The programs would be evaluated after a 2 year cycle to see in what order teams would be invited to play in class 1A. A 5 year Calpreps, Massey, Litkenhouse, Cantrall type average would determine the list in order of invitation. A team could elect to pass on the invitation and play in its actual class. All other schools then divided into 4 classes and have playoffs.

District 4
Fulton City
Fulton County
Webster
Hopkins Cen
Caverna
McClean
Todd cen
Breckinridge
Metcalfe

District 3
Dayton
Trimble
Brossart
Shawnee
Atherton
Pendleton
Waggener
Iroquois
Ludlow

District 2
Bracken
Eminence
Clinton
Ft Knox
East Carter
McCreary Cen
Paris
Berea
Jackson

District 1
Phelps
South Floyd
East Ridge
Allen Cen
Knott
Lynn Camp
Paintsville
Maggofin
Jenkins

District 2 and 3 were very difficult to divide geographically. Nothing is perfect and there is travel involved but beggars can't be choosers.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Bath Countys response...

When deciding to play in 2A, we thought that there would be more schools
located in our geographical region. As it stands now, West Carter is the only
school located within 75 miles of our school. That means that on two
occasions, Bath County will be traveling to the Covington/Erlanger area and
spending over $1,000 in travel costs. With the proposed alignment, we
would be in favor of moving to 3A and playing in District 5 with other schools
that are closer in distance. These include Fleming, Lewis, Russell and
Pendleton. Even 3A, District 7 has four schools (Morgan, Estill, Breathitt and
Powell) that are closer to Bath County than the four schools proposed in the
present alignment. Four years ago, Bath County asked to be moved to 3A for
economic purposes. The proposed current alignment places us in the same
situation. Therefore, we humbly ask to be placed in 3A.