[Pulp Fiction]

To use an analogy from the movie "American Sniper" .... I'm sure those of you dead set for 'Gun Control' probably won't comprehend this, but do your best.


Sheep - Those who can't protect themselves from the wolves.
(The general public, school kids, 'Gun Free' Zones, Sporting Events, Concerts)

Sheepdogs - Those who keep the Sheeps safe and run the wolves off.
(Military, Law Enforcement, Corrections, Responsible Firearm owners)

Wolves - Those who prey on the people who can't defend themselves.
(terrorist & criminals)



Now let's look at this analogy.......
- Nature has proven for years and years that wolves go to places where it is easiest for them to kill other animals without any resistance.
- It is a proven fact that when a Sheepdog is present or the wolves know a Sheepdog is in the area, wolves stay away.
- Sheeps do not have any defenses to fight back with.




The United States military is the best in the world, no questions asked.
The United States Federal, State & Local Law Enforcement agencies are among the best in the world as well.
BUT.... we can not always depend on the 82nd Airborne or the State Police S.O.R.T. to escort every U.S. citizen around every second of every day.



Our elected politicians that are hollering 'Gun Control' this and 'Gun Control that have armed escorts from place to place, every second of every day.

Let me give you an example, and Yes, I have a tactical team background, so I know what I'm talking about.

When traveling with a motorcade, there is usually 3 or 4 vehicles used... sometimes more depending on the situation.
Each vehicle has 3 or 4 Operators with a Primary weapon (MP5, M16) and a secondary weapon (9mm, .40 S&W)... each weapon with multiple magazines.
There are usually snipers deployed along the route as well.

Usually the 2nd to last vehicle is called the C.A.T. (Counter Assault Team) that is armed heavier than the other vehicles.







So the same people who get an ARMED escort with FULLY AUTOMATIC weapons are the same people telling you that you don't deserve the same protection as they get and their families get every single day.

[Pulp Fiction]

If it is not Guns... it is Airplanes.
If it is not Airplanes.... it is Bombs.
If it is not Bombs.... it is Box Cutters.
If it is not Box Cutters... it is Knives & Swords.

TERRORIST & CRIMINALS WILL USE WHATEVER THEY CAN TO KILL PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!
THIS IS A PROVEN FACT!!!!!!!!!


Timothy McVeigh - Bomb.
Sept. 11th terrorists - Box cutters and Airplanes.
ISIS beheadings - Knives & Swords.


For those of you that support 'Gun Control' and believe that American citizens do not need their own firearms, you are crazy. Don't come yelling and screaming when your town gets attacked or somebody breaks in your house..... use your liberal logic and see how it turns out for you.
Tell the person who is shooting your house up or robbing you that you don't believe in owing a gun.


Time after time after time...... we have seen the grim reminders that crime and terrorism WILL NEVER END!!!!! The police and military will never be able to stop all crime and terrorism.

[The Urban Sombrero]

⬆⬆ A confusion of terms does not help debate. The abolition of private gun ownership is a very different thing from, say, a law banning those on the "no fly" list or "terror watch" list from being able to purchase a gun. "Gun control"(regulations) is not equivalent to gun abolition. Real debate is impossible if distortion of terms is constantly employed.

[Pulp Fiction]

⬆⬆ A confusion of terms does not help debate. The abolition of private gun ownership is a very different thing from, say, a law banning those on the "no fly" list or "terror watch" list from being able to purchase a gun. "Gun control"(regulations) is not equivalent to gun abolition. Real debate is impossible if distortion of terms is constantly employed.

Here is the argument that the liberals will use....

Anybody on a 'No Fly' list, terrorism watch list, has a felony conviction or has been diagnosed with a history of a mental illness will not be able to purchase a firearm.

Best case scenario, every criminal, terrorist & mental health patient goes to their local courthouse and registers as somebody who can't legally buy a gun. But the brains behind this movement must be idiotic to believe that anybody on any type of Government list can't obtain a firearm.


They will ROB somebody who does own weapons, they will KILL somebody by using a different type of a weapon. They will pay extra money to somebody who can legally buy a weapon. If a criminal or a terrorist wants a gun, they will get a gun.



Let's just say that congress and the Supreme Court pass all types of new 'Gun Control' measures in an effort to make us 'Safer' from these weapons of war.... but there is another mass shooting incident similar to Orlando.
The next thing we will hear is.... "Our new 'Gun Control' measures aren't working, we need to start banning certain types of weapons, magazines and ammunition so that only the Military, Federal, State & Local police have access to them."






Give them an inch.... and they'll take 5,000 miles.

[TheRealThing]

⬆⬆ A confusion of terms does not help debate. The abolition of private gun ownership is a very different thing from, say, a law banning those on the "no fly" list or "terror watch" list from being able to purchase a gun. "Gun control"(regulations) is not equivalent to gun abolition. Real debate is impossible if distortion of terms is constantly employed.

Huh? If that's the case you guys would have to back up all the way to 1947 and Everson vs Board of Education. The great scourge of the misapplied and redefined notion of separation of Church and State overshadows our people yet today. I mean, you take guileful word distortions out of the equation and liberals would have to completely pack it in. From trying to say the there is no mention of God in the Constitution and our system of law was therefore not grounded in Christian principles, to saying that butchering upwards of a hundred million of our own unborn or recently born, is somehow lawful under the misapplied concept of a woman's right to privacy, guile is all you guys got. Ask those who make a living rewriting text books and history books.

Satan plowed the road for the liberal. He first twisted the words of God Himself when he 'debated' as you put it, with Eve. God said clearly that in the day man ate of the forbidden tree, death would enter into what was up until that time a perfect harmony of creation. After Satan's friendly little debate with her, she ate of the tree anyway and sin entered into the world. In fact, debate got us from the days of clarity in this land, in that the dividing line between that which was considered to be right and wrong; Has been blurred by endless compromising and debate about what the meaning of is, is, thereby making it, or 'transforming' it if you like, from a crisp clean line into a vast gray smudge which has now overlapped and eclipsed rational thought. All we get done is debate or arguing with those who want to see Godly absolutes compromised away completely. Hence, we all have to deal with the aftermath of things like the repeal to DADT.

And again, after the removal of DADT, legislation which seemed only to define the first legal baby step, immediately became a giant leap for mankind into the dark, as America continues to temp fate in venturing ever farther into that which the founders tried to warn about and spare us from.

[TheRealThing]

Here is the argument that the liberals will use....

Anybody on a 'No Fly' list, terrorism watch list, has a felony conviction or has been diagnosed with a history of a mental illness will not be able to purchase a firearm.

Best case scenario, every criminal, terrorist & mental health patient goes to their local courthouse and registers as somebody who can't legally buy a gun. But the brains behind this movement must be idiotic to believe that anybody on any type of Government list can't obtain a firearm.


They will ROB somebody who does own weapons, they will KILL somebody by using a different type of a weapon. They will pay extra money to somebody who can legally buy a weapon. If a criminal or a terrorist wants a gun, they will get a gun.



Let's just say that congress and the Supreme Court pass all types of new 'Gun Control' measures in an effort to make us 'Safer' from these weapons of war.... but there is another mass shooting incident similar to Orlando.
The next thing we will hear is.... "Our new 'Gun Control' measures aren't working, we need to start banning certain types of weapons, magazines and ammunition so that only the Military, Federal, State & Local police have access to them."






Give them an inch.... and they'll take 5,000 miles.

Of course you are right about this. I would add that adding one to a no fly no buy list whether that be out of prudence, or whether that be supposedly by convenient mistake, the effect will be the same. A wide sweeping government gun round up, likely unequalled in history.

[The Urban Sombrero]

⬆⬆ Freedom of conscience is a Divine gift in my view, from a Creator/Father who desires love and obedience freely given. A man may worship or not. A man may obey or not. We are responsible for our use of freedom, but we are not to compel the conscience of another. From a Christian perspective, it grieves me to see the homosexual lifestyle promoted as "co-equal" with heterosexual, however, I would not see gay people persecuted or denied equal civil rights as honoring God either.

[Pulp Fiction]

Of course you are right about this. I would add that adding one to a no fly no buy list whether that be out of prudence, or whether that be supposedly by convenient mistake, the effect will be the same. A wide sweeping government gun round up, likely unequalled in history.

That could be the start of the 2nd American Civil War.

[The Urban Sombrero]

Of course you are right about this. I would add that adding one to a no fly no buy list whether that be out of prudence, or whether that be supposedly by convenient mistake, the effect will be the same. A wide sweeping government gun round up, likely unequalled in history.

I have no issue, TRT, with vigilance in safeguarding freedoms; however, one can lose perspective on the scope of a right if one solely and blindly focuses on that right in isolation from other Constitutional principles.

[TheRealThing]

I have no issue, TRT, with vigilance in safeguarding freedoms; however, one can lose perspective on the scope of a right if one solely and blindly focuses on that right in isolation from other Constitutional principles.

And your focus is no doubt on a much higher plane than anybody else on here I guess? These little snippets of pseudo scholarly, professor Irwin Corey-esque gems of logic must be to impress yourself, cause for some reason I'm still underwhelmed by them. The Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution and the Amendments, the federalist papers and all of the writings of the founders for that matter, are not exactly rocket science. They can be read and understood by people of average intelligence. Though I admit a familiarity with European and American history is extremely beneficial in order to get a grip on our heritage. I understand that I don't need a rail gun to defend my home, I got that.

That said, I and millions more of like mind in this country have no need of a Constitutional interpreter. Especially when that would be interpreter has been so glaringly coopted into the liberal fold. I mean I know you came on here as a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude but seriously, LOL.

And BTW, where in the world did you come up with the idea that Christians are not to compel the conscience of another? Did you even stop to consider the great commission? How about witnessing to avoid the blood of others being on our hands? Christians are not called to work in soup kitchens, theirs is to envangelize the world.

[Panther Thunder]

Howard Stern had a nice segment on this.

[The Urban Sombrero]

"When did I see you hungry in a soup kitchen".... Ah, in the least of these.....

[TheRealThing]

"When did I see you hungry in a soup kitchen".... Ah, in the least of these.....

I understand all liberals love dodgeball, but even the best know they must concede the fair point.

[The Urban Sombrero]

I understand all liberals love dodgeball, but even the best know they must concede the fair point.

You do realize "compel" means force?

[TheRealThing]

Thanks for that^^. Sons or daughters may be forced to recognize the truth by virtue of sage advice that they may not particularly want to hear at the moment. Force of reason very often compels people to do that which is not what they naturally would choose to do. For example, people are compelled often by force of truth, especially when the Holy Spirit is convicting them of their sinful state, to bow before God in repentance. You tell me, have I got it about right?

Luke 14:23 (KJV)
23 And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.