[TheRealThing]

You said I called out insurance bureaucrats-- Note of order; you are Cardfan, correct?

You just used insurance bureaucracy and fraud to explain why the government should not be in healthcare. Neither of those examples are the government's fault.

Then I had to quote you--- quoting me, where you concede that I actually said it was government (not insurance bureaucracy now mind you) but government bureaucrats--

You said this.

Government bureaucrats making decisions about medical care which are destructive.


Here are your points.

Because they are expensive and insurance companies are worried about making a sizable profit. They push the idea that caths can usually be put off for a while and want people to be sicker before letting them get a catheterization. Insurance companies are willing to risk the lives of their policy holders if their mortality tables dictate.

The US medicare program suffers the loss of millions of dollars annually due to fraud. Not from unethical docs so much, but they are much easier to catch and prosecute.

Maybe you should try again, because nothing in this post demonstrates how government bureaucrats are destroying healthcare in America.

You make a good argument on how insurance companies and criminals are destructive though. Kudos.

And now you're still trying to dodge? Are you serious?