[vector#1]

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/53156...e-items-he

[TheRealThing]

Thank God!!
I would take a daily vaccine and wear a mask and hazmat suit to ward off the fever dreams of your truth. 

I meant to say living your lies won't save you from the truth. This country is not immune to the basic laws of economics. Long term deficit spending and intentionally weakening our economy will eventually impact this country in the same way that the Roman Empire, Germany, and several Latin American countries were impacted. The belief of people like you that "it can't happen here" is fundamentally wrong. It is such a shame to see Americans so ignorant of such an important field as economics.

I was thinking more Russian Revolution where socioeconomic inequality shredded the country.  

The same is happening here and has been exacerbated during this Pandemic and the despicable response by our federal government.

No doubt in my mind. What else would a guy like you choose to reference?  Although your reference is revisionist, shocker.

A proper characterization of the Russian Revolultion--
"During the Russian Revolution (1917), the Bolsheviks, led by leftist revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, seized power and destroyed the tradition of csarist rule. The Bolsheviks would later become the Communist Party of the Soviet Union."

More happened than that.  There were several groups,  all were not socialist,  and there was a long evolution to the evils of Stalin’s authoritarian communism.  

My point is when the wealth is held at the top the end is near.  Starving people unite whatever their political philosophy may be.

Well then your point is ill taken. Thanks to the Trump Presidency the US once again has the most vibrant middle class in history. A middle class that is self sufficient. They not only pay their own bills but frankly those of others. I could point out to you that the richest of those holding most of the wealth in the US are raging libs. It has been reported that Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg just outspent the federal government on the presidential election. One guy is so rich he was able to spend more on the election than the federal government without even missing the money. He's a Democrat. Jeff Bezos is a Democrat, raging lib & the first man to make 200 billion dollars.

This nation doesn't have a czarist rule, and the people of this land aren't peasants and a mere commodity of an authoritarian regime. Oddly enough at the very time that election fraud charges abound, you use the quintessential example of totalitarian tyranny which takes away the people's rights to lay out your false case for why you say economic freedom is bad. Financial inequality is normal Cardfan. Not everybody is going to be a Jeff Bezos but let's face it, Jeff Bezos employs far more than 500 thousand people. I'm not a Jeff Bezos fan, but you can't say a guy who pays weekly paychecks for 3 quarters of a million breadwinners is not a big time employer. Let him be rich.

The left's war on capitalism is a mindless attack on this land which defies logic and American history. It's like sitting in the middle of the Pacific, drilling holes in your own lifeboat because you don't like one of the passengers.

[Hoot Gibson]

The bill that will be presented for a vote on Monday will still be loaded with foreign aid and who knows what else because once again, nobody will have time to read it before voting. Trump should veto the bill and read the list of pork and foreign aid included, much of which is targeted at governments hostile to the United States. If McConnell were a man of principle, he would not even bring the bill to a vote in the Senate but that would probably not please his Chinese masters.

You do realize that most of the spending in this package that you are disparaging comes directly from Trump's budget item requests.  These are not add ons from the Demsocrats.

You are mistaken. Trump has repeatedly asked for a clean COVID-19 bill without the pork, foreign aid, and blue state bailout money tacked on. He repeated that request after the 5,600 page stimulus was passed. I have no doubt that a lot of the pork and foreign aid was requested by Republican members of Congress but Trump did not request its inclusion in this bill.

It is amazing that Democrats support passage of a bill that members of Congress have not even read. Almost as amazing that the overwhelming majority of both Republicans and Democrats in Congress voted for such a long spending bill without reading it. I don't believe that any self respecting, honest individual can possibly defend signing the bill.

Is your position that Congress should be passing bills without reading them?

[vector#1]

340,000 Americans have died from the Trump Flu
And what is the Dear Leader up to ?
Playing another round of golf

https://trumpgolfcount.com/

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[Cardfan1]

I meant to say living your lies won't save you from the truth. This country is not immune to the basic laws of economics. Long term deficit spending and intentionally weakening our economy will eventually impact this country in the same way that the Roman Empire, Germany, and several Latin American countries were impacted. The belief of people like you that "it can't happen here" is fundamentally wrong. It is such a shame to see Americans so ignorant of such an important field as economics.

I was thinking more Russian Revolution where socioeconomic inequality shredded the country.  

The same is happening here and has been exacerbated during this Pandemic and the despicable response by our federal government.

No doubt in my mind. What else would a guy like you choose to reference?  Although your reference is revisionist, shocker.

A proper characterization of the Russian Revolultion--
"During the Russian Revolution (1917), the Bolsheviks, led by leftist revolutionary Vladimir Lenin, seized power and destroyed the tradition of csarist rule. The Bolsheviks would later become the Communist Party of the Soviet Union."

More happened than that.  There were several groups,  all were not socialist,  and there was a long evolution to the evils of Stalin’s authoritarian communism.  

My point is when the wealth is held at the top the end is near.  Starving people unite whatever their political philosophy may be.

Well then your point is ill taken. Thanks to the Trump Presidency the US once again has the most vibrant middle class in history. A middle class that is self sufficient. They not only pay their own bills but frankly those of others. I could point out to you that the richest of those holding most of the wealth in the US are raging libs. It has been reported that Facebook's Mark Zuckerberg just outspent the federal government on the presidential election. One guy is so rich he was able to spend more on the election than the federal government without even missing the money. He's a Democrat. Jeff Bezos is a Democrat, raging lib & the first man to make 200 billion dollars.

This nation doesn't have a czarist rule, and the people of this land aren't peasants and a mere commodity of an authoritarian regime. Oddly enough at the very time that election fraud charges abound, you use the quintessential example of totalitarian tyranny which takes away the people's rights to lay out your false case for why you say economic freedom is bad. Financial inequality is normal Cardfan. Not everybody is going to be a Jeff Bezos but let's face it, Jeff Bezos employs far more than 500 thousand people. I'm not a Jeff Bezos fan, but you can't say a guy who pays weekly paychecks for 3 quarters of a million breadwinners is not a big time employer. Let him be rich.

The left's war on capitalism is a mindless attack on this land which defies logic and American history. It's like sitting in the middle of the Pacific, drilling holes in your own lifeboat because you don't like one of the passengers.

Where do you get your facts?  Do you literally just make them up, or are they spoon fed to you by Rush?  

The middle class has not grown in 30 years.  Wages haven’t matched inflation longer than that. Those people are sliding into poverty.  

Zuckerberg, Bezos, and any other billionaire should be paying a much higher tax rate. I don’t care what their political affiliation is. I do know that Democrats talk of raising those tax rates and Republicans talk of lowering tax rates.  

Here in lies the rub, you don’t understand how rich some of these people are;  How much of our economy they swallow because you follow conservative talk which calls people who question this socialist and communists.  I would suggest you do real research. Any stat I give you, you will just discount to liberal leanings, so I won’t waste my time. 

I will say this America has had a war on the middle class for 40 years. The loss of union jobs, the cut of public funding, and the increase of secondary education (just to name a few) has destroyed the American dream all the while we have made it easier to be rich.  These people are already wealthy why the hell to they deserve more tax cuts and more access to the people making our laws while a large majority of our population was struggling with food insecurity and paycheck to paycheck before the pandemic.  

Prime example, look at the 2017 tax plan. The cut for the middle class is getting ready to go away while every cut included for the wealthy is still there.   Why?  Most of them don’t pay the taxes they owe anyway (Hell, some just pay $750). 

FWIW, the left’s war is on socialism for the rich.   The fact you don’t see it is SAD!

[vector#1]

Americans are falling Dead from the Trump Flu
And the Dear Leader play 36 holes today

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...d=msedgdhp

[The Outsider]

Americans are falling Dead from the Trump Flu
And the Dear Leader play 36 holes today

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...d=msedgdhp

Trump deserted his job months ago and just does not really care. 

[Cardfan1]

People are fleeing oppression before what wealth they have left is redistributed. You really cannot put a coherent argument together. Donald Trump begged Congress to send him a clean COVID-19 bill targeted at individuals and small businesses.

What Congress passed was a bill filled with pork barrel spending and foreign aid and a measly $600 payment to individuals. Trump said that he will veto it. You criticized him. Now you whine that "socialism is sucked up by the rich" when Democrats insisted on inserting that spending into the bill, not Trump, Pelosi. I am beginning to think that you just really enjoy whining

You realize when these people move to these new areas with their wealth and drive up the real estate and everything else the same problem will happen.  But let’s pity the people who have wealth and can leave because their taxes are too high. 

When did Donald Trump do that?  More comedy.  
You are leaving the absolute king of obstruction. Mitch has held up any stimulus because he wants protections for businesses, so they can’t be held liable for any spread of COVID.  When Trump said he wanted 2k for every citizen, the House went to work. McConnell and the Senate is the problem. 

Strangely, we are saying the same thing about the bill. It’s disrespect and disregard of the American citizen.

No, tax rates do not automatically soar to New York and California levels because real estate values rise. That is one of the most stupid things that you have posted. But then you posted an even more stupid sentence by suggesting that people should not be able to move when their taxes are too high.

No, we are not saying the same thing about the bill at all. First, there should be no bill. It is a bailout for poorly governed blue states and cities. Their governors have intentionally crippled their economies and are driving wealth to the relatively free red states. Their tax base is deserting those areas.

If there must be a COVID-19 relief bill, then it should ONLY include payments to individuals and small businesses that have been victimized by the pandemic. The bill should contain no foreign aid and no state and city government bailouts. All those bailouts do is reward and encourage further state and local government mismanagement.

Put Tesla outside of Austin and in less than a decade, Austin and Texas will be raising taxes in order to pay for services and infrastructure. Surely it’s not that hard to understand. Move more wealthy companies in and more of the same. I know you’re obtuse but come on.  

It’s America...move where you damn well please, but I don’t feel sorry for people who have the concern of “keeping wealth” when we have as much poverty as we do in this nation.

More Conservative mush you have eaten...mmm good!!!  Blue state bailout may be one the most ignorant statements in conservative mythology. 
1.  Blue state bailout is in turn a red state bail out because most Republican run states can’t pay their bills.  So every year is a red state bailout. 
2.  Blue states have the major population centers that have been hit the hardest by Covid and safety measures they need more federal money than the dirt in Wyoming.  

No city and state aid will essentially kill all the services that people depend on.  What a brilliant plan for conservative yammerers...you have essentially defunded the police and closed the schools.

This is comedy!!! 

You are one of the most economically illiterate people that I have ever come across. Blue states have been hit hardest by the pandemic because they elected stupid liberal Democrat governors. People will only tolerate a certain amount of restraints on their liberty. That is why so many liberal politicians like Cuomo, Murphy, Witmer, Pelosi, and others have supported oppressive restrictions on American citizens, only to be caught violating their own rules.

Washington does not have a magic money tree. These so-called stimulus bills cannot stimulate growth while authoritarian liberal governors keep businesses closed. If Biden takes office next month, you will see first hand how fast a strong economy can be wrecked through truly irresponsible government policies.

The country should have learned its lesson after Johnson, Nixon, and Carter wrecked the economy and Reagan then oversaw the biggest economic turnaround in history. That was the best example of socialist fiscal policy versus capitalist fiscal policy that the world has ever seen. The lesson was lost on Democrats and most of the current generation of Republicans. I've lived through an era that had high interest, unemployment, and inflation rates, all at the same time. They even created a name for it - the misery index.

If you have the misfortune of living through a period where the misery index is regularly reported, and I strongly suspect that you will, you will not think that it is a laughing matter. Somebody needs to sit you down and explain how basic economics works in our country. You really do not seem to understand where wealth and money come from. Printed money has very little value in a very weak economy and when people start losing confidence in their own country's currency, it is only a matter of time before panic sets in.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/start-up-ci...1609093013

I feel telepathic.

[Hoot Gibson]

You realize when these people move to these new areas with their wealth and drive up the real estate and everything else the same problem will happen.  But let’s pity the people who have wealth and can leave because their taxes are too high. 

When did Donald Trump do that?  More comedy.  
You are leaving the absolute king of obstruction. Mitch has held up any stimulus because he wants protections for businesses, so they can’t be held liable for any spread of COVID.  When Trump said he wanted 2k for every citizen, the House went to work. McConnell and the Senate is the problem. 

Strangely, we are saying the same thing about the bill. It’s disrespect and disregard of the American citizen.

No, tax rates do not automatically soar to New York and California levels because real estate values rise. That is one of the most stupid things that you have posted. But then you posted an even more stupid sentence by suggesting that people should not be able to move when their taxes are too high.

No, we are not saying the same thing about the bill at all. First, there should be no bill. It is a bailout for poorly governed blue states and cities. Their governors have intentionally crippled their economies and are driving wealth to the relatively free red states. Their tax base is deserting those areas.

If there must be a COVID-19 relief bill, then it should ONLY include payments to individuals and small businesses that have been victimized by the pandemic. The bill should contain no foreign aid and no state and city government bailouts. All those bailouts do is reward and encourage further state and local government mismanagement.

Put Tesla outside of Austin and in less than a decade, Austin and Texas will be raising taxes in order to pay for services and infrastructure. Surely it’s not that hard to understand. Move more wealthy companies in and more of the same. I know you’re obtuse but come on.  

It’s America...move where you damn well please, but I don’t feel sorry for people who have the concern of “keeping wealth” when we have as much poverty as we do in this nation.

More Conservative mush you have eaten...mmm good!!!  Blue state bailout may be one the most ignorant statements in conservative mythology. 
1.  Blue state bailout is in turn a red state bail out because most Republican run states can’t pay their bills.  So every year is a red state bailout. 
2.  Blue states have the major population centers that have been hit the hardest by Covid and safety measures they need more federal money than the dirt in Wyoming.  

No city and state aid will essentially kill all the services that people depend on.  What a brilliant plan for conservative yammerers...you have essentially defunded the police and closed the schools.

This is comedy!!! 

You are one of the most economically illiterate people that I have ever come across. Blue states have been hit hardest by the pandemic because they elected stupid liberal Democrat governors. People will only tolerate a certain amount of restraints on their liberty. That is why so many liberal politicians like Cuomo, Murphy, Witmer, Pelosi, and others have supported oppressive restrictions on American citizens, only to be caught violating their own rules.

Washington does not have a magic money tree. These so-called stimulus bills cannot stimulate growth while authoritarian liberal governors keep businesses closed. If Biden takes office next month, you will see first hand how fast a strong economy can be wrecked through truly irresponsible government policies.

The country should have learned its lesson after Johnson, Nixon, and Carter wrecked the economy and Reagan then oversaw the biggest economic turnaround in history. That was the best example of socialist fiscal policy versus capitalist fiscal policy that the world has ever seen. The lesson was lost on Democrats and most of the current generation of Republicans. I've lived through an era that had high interest, unemployment, and inflation rates, all at the same time. They even created a name for it - the misery index.

If you have the misfortune of living through a period where the misery index is regularly reported, and I strongly suspect that you will, you will not think that it is a laughing matter. Somebody needs to sit you down and explain how basic economics works in our country. You really do not seem to understand where wealth and money come from. Printed money has very little value in a very weak economy and when people start losing confidence in their own country's currency, it is only a matter of time before panic sets in.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/start-up-ci...1609093013

I feel telepathic.

To paraphrase a character from a popular movie, I don't think that word means what you think.   To quote Bugs Bunny, you are a maroon.

[Cardfan1]

No, tax rates do not automatically soar to New York and California levels because real estate values rise. That is one of the most stupid things that you have posted. But then you posted an even more stupid sentence by suggesting that people should not be able to move when their taxes are too high.

No, we are not saying the same thing about the bill at all. First, there should be no bill. It is a bailout for poorly governed blue states and cities. Their governors have intentionally crippled their economies and are driving wealth to the relatively free red states. Their tax base is deserting those areas.

If there must be a COVID-19 relief bill, then it should ONLY include payments to individuals and small businesses that have been victimized by the pandemic. The bill should contain no foreign aid and no state and city government bailouts. All those bailouts do is reward and encourage further state and local government mismanagement.

Put Tesla outside of Austin and in less than a decade, Austin and Texas will be raising taxes in order to pay for services and infrastructure. Surely it’s not that hard to understand. Move more wealthy companies in and more of the same. I know you’re obtuse but come on.  

It’s America...move where you damn well please, but I don’t feel sorry for people who have the concern of “keeping wealth” when we have as much poverty as we do in this nation.

More Conservative mush you have eaten...mmm good!!!  Blue state bailout may be one the most ignorant statements in conservative mythology. 
1.  Blue state bailout is in turn a red state bail out because most Republican run states can’t pay their bills.  So every year is a red state bailout. 
2.  Blue states have the major population centers that have been hit the hardest by Covid and safety measures they need more federal money than the dirt in Wyoming.  

No city and state aid will essentially kill all the services that people depend on.  What a brilliant plan for conservative yammerers...you have essentially defunded the police and closed the schools.

This is comedy!!! 

You are one of the most economically illiterate people that I have ever come across. Blue states have been hit hardest by the pandemic because they elected stupid liberal Democrat governors. People will only tolerate a certain amount of restraints on their liberty. That is why so many liberal politicians like Cuomo, Murphy, Witmer, Pelosi, and others have supported oppressive restrictions on American citizens, only to be caught violating their own rules.

Washington does not have a magic money tree. These so-called stimulus bills cannot stimulate growth while authoritarian liberal governors keep businesses closed. If Biden takes office next month, you will see first hand how fast a strong economy can be wrecked through truly irresponsible government policies.

The country should have learned its lesson after Johnson, Nixon, and Carter wrecked the economy and Reagan then oversaw the biggest economic turnaround in history. That was the best example of socialist fiscal policy versus capitalist fiscal policy that the world has ever seen. The lesson was lost on Democrats and most of the current generation of Republicans. I've lived through an era that had high interest, unemployment, and inflation rates, all at the same time. They even created a name for it - the misery index.

If you have the misfortune of living through a period where the misery index is regularly reported, and I strongly suspect that you will, you will not think that it is a laughing matter. Somebody needs to sit you down and explain how basic economics works in our country. You really do not seem to understand where wealth and money come from. Printed money has very little value in a very weak economy and when people start losing confidence in their own country's currency, it is only a matter of time before panic sets in.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/start-up-ci...1609093013

I feel telepathic.

To paraphrase a character from a popular movie, I don't think that word means what you think.   To quote Bugs Bunny, you are a maroon.

Yay!  You got one! 

Precognition is seeing the future, not telepathy. 

It’s been a rough year for you, Hoot. Having to come back to this board daily and die on hill after hill. But today is your day. Your eagle eye for grammar and usage has finally paid off, and proved ...absolutely nothing 

It didn’t take a decade for Austin to see the strain of tech companies making life too expensive for people who don’t work there. So Austin will be forced to raise taxes to pay for services, and then the state will want some of that dough, and what will Tucker gripe about on his show then.  I sure hope he’s complaining about a blue Texas.

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Trump signed the Stimulus deal.

It was a true Art in deal making. He stalled and let benefits expire costing millions of Americans one week of unemployment during Christmas.

What did he get in return?

absolutely nothing...What a clown!

[Hoot Gibson]

Put Tesla outside of Austin and in less than a decade, Austin and Texas will be raising taxes in order to pay for services and infrastructure. Surely it’s not that hard to understand. Move more wealthy companies in and more of the same. I know you’re obtuse but come on.  

It’s America...move where you damn well please, but I don’t feel sorry for people who have the concern of “keeping wealth” when we have as much poverty as we do in this nation.

More Conservative mush you have eaten...mmm good!!!  Blue state bailout may be one the most ignorant statements in conservative mythology. 
1.  Blue state bailout is in turn a red state bail out because most Republican run states can’t pay their bills.  So every year is a red state bailout. 
2.  Blue states have the major population centers that have been hit the hardest by Covid and safety measures they need more federal money than the dirt in Wyoming.  

No city and state aid will essentially kill all the services that people depend on.  What a brilliant plan for conservative yammerers...you have essentially defunded the police and closed the schools.

This is comedy!!! 

You are one of the most economically illiterate people that I have ever come across. Blue states have been hit hardest by the pandemic because they elected stupid liberal Democrat governors. People will only tolerate a certain amount of restraints on their liberty. That is why so many liberal politicians like Cuomo, Murphy, Witmer, Pelosi, and others have supported oppressive restrictions on American citizens, only to be caught violating their own rules.

Washington does not have a magic money tree. These so-called stimulus bills cannot stimulate growth while authoritarian liberal governors keep businesses closed. If Biden takes office next month, you will see first hand how fast a strong economy can be wrecked through truly irresponsible government policies.

The country should have learned its lesson after Johnson, Nixon, and Carter wrecked the economy and Reagan then oversaw the biggest economic turnaround in history. That was the best example of socialist fiscal policy versus capitalist fiscal policy that the world has ever seen. The lesson was lost on Democrats and most of the current generation of Republicans. I've lived through an era that had high interest, unemployment, and inflation rates, all at the same time. They even created a name for it - the misery index.

If you have the misfortune of living through a period where the misery index is regularly reported, and I strongly suspect that you will, you will not think that it is a laughing matter. Somebody needs to sit you down and explain how basic economics works in our country. You really do not seem to understand where wealth and money come from. Printed money has very little value in a very weak economy and when people start losing confidence in their own country's currency, it is only a matter of time before panic sets in.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/start-up-ci...1609093013

I feel telepathic.

To paraphrase a character from a popular movie, I don't think that word means what you think.   To quote Bugs Bunny, you are a maroon.

Yay!  You got one! 

Precognition is seeing the future, not telepathy. 

It’s been a rough year for you, Hoot. Having to come back to this board daily and die on hill after hill. But today is your day. Your eagle eye for grammar and usage has finally paid off, and proved ...absolutely nothing 

It didn’t take a decade for Austin to see the strain of tech companies making life too expensive for people who don’t work there. So Austin will be forced to raise taxes to pay for services, and then the state will want some of that dough, and what will Tucker gripe about on his show then.  I sure hope he’s complaining about a blue Texas.

---

Trump signed the Stimulus deal.

It was a true Art in deal making.  He stalled and let benefits expire costing millions of Americans one week of unemployment during Christmas. 

What did he get in return?

absolutely nothing...What a clown!

Bugs Bunny deserves all the credit. He calls them like he sees them.

[Cardfan1]

House passes 2k stimulus checks and Mitch blocks a vote in the Senate.
Tell me again why we sent him back for umpteenth time?

[vector#1]

For every $1.00 KY sends to the Federal Government they get back $2.61
I would take that return all day So that would make us a Taker State ?

https://www.wkyufm.org/post/kentucky-sec...y#stream/0

Hard to vote someone out who brings all that pork home

[Cardfan1]

For every $1.00 KY sends to the Federal Government they get back $2.61
I would take that return all day So that would make us a Taker State ?

https://www.wkyufm.org/post/kentucky-sec...y#stream/0

Hard to vote someone out who brings all that pork home

The fact that we have that many people receiving government benefits isn’t “pork” but 
maybe McConnell does deserve some blame.