[vector#1]

Said the frog as he jumped into the pot. If you had the faintest glimmer as to the profound irony of your post you'd be a hundred times smarter than you imagine yourself to be.

Not to mention the fact that Hoot took you to school about Cuba and Venezuela, and all you could come back with was to reassert your false liberal doctrine. Seriously, other than vector who do you think you really fool on here?

What do you mean?  Your amigo is begging for globalism.  I just wanted him to know what you say about it.  

Took me to school? Are you saying the US didn't economically intervene in either of those nations?

You cannot name a nation that the US wronged in such manner. Socialism, rammed home by Fidel Castro who was in bed with Nikita khrushchev, took down Cuba.     https://images.app.goo.gl/EBuVaRKCXwqvSovi9

Venezuela went exactly the same route with exactly the same result.

Wait, are you saying the US didn't place economic sanctions on both nations?
An embargo on Cuba?  

Right or wrong, those sanctions will affect the success or failure of a country's economy.  If the US surrounds Denmark and prohibits all its allies from trading with that nation then you will see a successful socialist nation fail. 

In fact, half of Europe has large state-sponsored social programs.  If we are so antisocialism, why haven't we embargoed the entire continent?

No I am saying Fidel Castro was a ruthless dictator who oppressed his people. And I would offer that you just don't rise to a level high enough to understand world affairs and ought to be doing his job at the unemployment office instead of blogging.

You will not here anything Bad from Commrade TRT about his 2 Dear Leaders Putin and the Orange Clown that would go against his Cult Whorship

[Hoot Gibson]

This is a quote from Hoot in his earlier response. 

"Corporations should not be paying any income taxes"


I'm hoping that you really didn't mean to type this.  If you did, please elaborate.

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/us-is-wo...efits.html

The U.S. ranks last among industrialized countries relative to employee benefits like healthcare, paid leave, vacation days, unemployment and retirement, according to Zenefits.

The Czech Republic, Latvia, South Korea and Mexico joined the U.S. among the five least-generous countries. Denmark, the Netherlands, Finland, Sweden and Switzerland were the top nations for worker benefits.

There is no excuse for the U.S. to be ranked last.  

There is no excuse for American corporations to be ranked first in combined state and federal tax rates but that is what China Joe is proposing, Mr. I am Not a Socialist but...

Cuba and Venezuela once had thriving economies. How has socialism worked out for them? This country is broke and our inflation rate has begun to soar. Even the Biden administration is now acknowledging that interest rates will need to be raised to keep inflation in check. Inflation and interest rates composed two thirds of the Carter misery index. As the rate of inflation and interest rates rise, the unemployment rate will follow. That is the trifecta that Jimmy Carter unleashed on this nation. (Nixon, Ford, and LBJ did their part in crippling our economy, but Carter came to own the misery index, which disappeared during the Reagan administration.)

I'm not really a fan of socialism, but I do believe that the Corporate tax rate is too low in the U.S.  Trump's 40% reduction was too extreme and will continue to put an undue burden on the middle class. 

Trump slashed corporate tax rates to 21%, but many companies paid far less than that (dallasnews.com)

In 2018, the first year under the new law, 379 profitable companies in the Fortune 500 paid an average effective rate of 11.3%, according to a study by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, a progressive think tank in Washington.

For 91 companies, nearly a quarter of those examined, their 2018 federal tax bill was zero or they got a tax rebate, the group said. The list includes heavyweights like Amazon, Chevron and Netflix. As a group, the 91 companies earned a combined $101 billion in pretax profits.

I am sure that our economy will boom once Biden pushes all of his tax hikes through Congress. I just hope that we can build factories fast enough to keep up with demand once corporations have the opportunity to invest in this country at the highest rate in the world.

Corporations should not be paying any income taxes. Socialists have destroyed the ability of American manufacturers to compete in the global economy through tax policies and excessive regulation. Income on dividends, salaries, and wages are already taxed. You are a fool if you believe that the loopholes that allow some companies to legally avoid corporate income taxes exist by accident.

Instead of demonizing corporations that pay no income taxes, your ire should be directed at the politicians who draft tax laws while extorting donations through corporate lobbyists. It is often said that the power to tax is the power to destroy. Politicians understand that to be true and so do the corporations that must interact with them to survive.

I wholeheartedly agree with you on the portion in bold print above.  Ted Cruz's recent admission is a perfect example of corrupt politicians being so used to doing business as usual that they don't even realize how corrupt they are.

I already explained why corporations should not be taxed. Their income is already taxed before the corporate income taxes are paid. I would slash taxes and the federal payroll to the bone to free up more money to pay good wages to American workers and to make American companies the most productive and efficient in the world. When taxes are cut or eliminated, then the federal power to destroy businesses and individuals is also cut.

For somebody who claims not to be a fan of socialism, you spent a lot of time defending socialist programs and policies and you spend a lot of time attacking capitalism.

[The Outsider]

[quote pid="2308591" dateline="1620177726"]
 

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In addition to paying taxes, do you regularly give money to the Church to help the poor there Outsider?


I'll give you an example and I know this first hand. This town has government sponsored housing for the poor. The government sees to it that their dependents get stimulus checks and income tax returns and much more. When the stimulus comes the tenets of government housing go out and buy stuff like 70" big screens and new XBoxes and etc. Every once in awhile these transients just up and vanish because for whatever reason, they just walk off and leave it all sitting in their apartment. The rules are that everything they leave MUST go into the dumpster. No exceptions. Can't be used by the next tenet, and can't be sold, and can't go home with anybody. It's the dumpster only. Now that's my definition of tax dollar waste. You guys tell about 5 percent of the whole story.

The Outsider  
Yes, I believe in donating to the Church as well as several other charities of my choosing, but i will not judge anyone else who believes differently.

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So, you get what I'm saying then about those on the right who even though they pay taxes through the nose, still go above and beyond to give generously to help the poor. Still you line up with Cardfan and vector to insist more can be done even though God has said and you even quoted this, "the poor you shall ALWAYS have." Always means always but the reason we will always have the poor is because many many people just cannot be motivated to become self sufficient. The drive just is not there. But your contempt for Republicans then is based on what? Wardrobe? Most of them give far more money to the cause than your average Cardfan. I frankly don't get it. The country is strapped for cash to the point where it seems noble in the minds of the left to tax corporations. I mean if we can tax institutions what's next, a marriage tax?

One cannot be a liberal and not look down on or judge those who espouse our traditionally conservative values because liberals say those values are the example of greed. And the plight of the poor then it follows, is not that they are listless or otherwise unmotivated, they are victims of the rich. Does that not fly in the face of what the Lord said about work? Did He guarantee income equality, or did He say it would be hard?  Nor can liberals take the route Pilate took, and just wash their hands of responsibility when they all know their party pushes unfettered abortion and gay rights. We're not accountable to ourselves as Pilate supposed, we are accountable to God.

Not the first one of you will admit what God declared, that man is to work and earn his bread by the sweat of his face. That's not easy and that's not convenient. In fact working for our substance is so burdensome, that we barely get turned around it seems and our children are already gone and the next thing you know we're retiring and the aches and pains of working all those years now dominate our existence. And all too soon, we pass. Life as the Lord has characterized it is like a vapor. You poke your nose out the front door to check how cold it is as you're leaving for work in the morning and you watch that breath of vapor vanish in a second or two, and it's gone. Life is but a vapor.

In saying that,  not all work is particularly glamorous. There are all manner of menial jobs but the pursuit is still noble. Septic tanks have to be drained occasionally, we need mechanics, sanitation workers, the restaurant industry, the motel industry, the list is endless. But every able bodied man should do something. Sitting around waiting on government checks is not honorable for anyone who can work but somehow has decided that kind of thing is beneath him. And that means not everybody will be able to afford a bass boat and a tow vehicle.
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I agree with you on this.  There are way too many people getting a free ride who shouldn't be, and it's getting worse every day.  It's a very fine line trying to identify the people who actually need help and those who are just playing the system, but I believe that we can do better as a Country taking care of the people who do actually need the help.  The gap between the wealthy and the poor is growing day by day and the politicians who run this country for the most part, just don't really seem to care.

[TheRealThing]

And in saying that you have hit upon the credibility gap. To say Republicans don't care about the people who need help, but that Democrats do care, is ludicrous. Republicans tend to lean more on the vision of the founders, and after all, that is the vehicle that made America great. And all Dems want to do is transform America using the same old boneheaded blunders of which history is replete, and consider the Constitution an impediment. The problem lies not between Dems and Republicans however. The problem is America's continuing willingness to compromise God's laws. The true driver of America's greatness.

To whit, Dems have claimed the lead in the caring for the poor area since the days of LBJ. But as I have pointed out ad nauseum, if one looks at the exponential increase in the number of people lining up for help since the late 60's, it's easy to see that the tactic will not ever be successful. So what Dems do then to stay in power, is use psychology to inflame the masses through predictable shortfalls in human nature to instill bias against Republicans, blaming then as if the problem is their fault. The carnage in US streets shows how well the tactic works and FWIW, I believe the string pullers are more than aware of the truth of it.

Though I get the fact that those on the gravy train are all in on this, what I don't get is the willful glom-on of hard working Americans. Even to the point where they support politicians who promise to add the millions of illegal immigrants to the welfare rolls to boot. The cover story about taxing corporations and the rich is a fiction, proven so in the past. The middle class always gets stuck with the bill and there is absolutely no reason to expect a double down on the same insanity will produce different results at this point.

Should we care about the poor and do what we can to help them? Of course! But the underlying moral motivation certainly did not come from the DNC, nor should reasonable people believe the lie that Republicans are rich and don't care. It comes from God's own moral code.

[Cardfan1]

Freeloaders get very little use out of the programs proposed by Biden in this speech.

--Expanded preschool
--free community college
--taxpayer funded childcare
--improved elder care
--safe water programs

We are ignoring the facts and spewing our own narrative.

[TheRealThing]

Freeloaders get very little use out of the programs proposed by Biden in this speech.

--Expanded preschool
--free community college
--taxpayer funded childcare
--improved elder care
--safe water programs

We are ignoring the facts and spewing our own narrative.

Yeah yeah I know. The conversation between me and Outsider was getting too comfortable for your liberally zealot palate and you just had to step in and break it up. Got to protect your narrative. 

Biden told one of the 8 rally goers on one of his campaign stops to "look in his eyes, no more fracking." (I posted the video a couple of months back on here)

Then he said this in the presidential debates ---
"Oil pollutes, we have to transition away from oil."
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verif...516fa28240
Then he said he was absolutely not going to ban fracking.

Will the real Joe please stand up. But not too fast, don't want one of those dizzy spells to cause him to fall. LOL

What's in Biden's speeches does not always match what Biden is actually bound to do.  And of course as usual, your post has zero to do with the factual conversation I was having with Outsider.

[Cardfan1]

Freeloaders get very little use out of the programs proposed by Biden in this speech.

--Expanded preschool
--free community college
--taxpayer funded childcare
--improved elder care
--safe water programs

We are ignoring the facts and spewing our own narrative.

Yeah yeah I know. The conversation between me and Outsider was getting too comfortable for your liberally zealot palate and you just had to step in and break it up. Got to protect your narrative. 

Biden told one of the 8 rally goers on one of his campaign stops to "look in his eyes, no more fracking." (I posted the video a couple of months back on here)

Then he said this in the presidential debates ---
"Oil pollutes, we have to transition away from oil."
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verif...516fa28240
Then he said he was absolutely not going to ban fracking.

Will the real Joe please stand up. But not too fast, don't want one of those dizzy spells to cause him to fall. LOL

What's in Biden's speeches does not always match what Biden is actually bound to do.  And of course as usual, your post has zero to do with the factual conversation I was having with Outsider.

So you fear he will tack on more handouts?    

But if the proposals are what they have been stated.  They go through Congress as they are...do you support those?

[TheRealThing]

Freeloaders get very little use out of the programs proposed by Biden in this speech.

--Expanded preschool
--free community college
--taxpayer funded childcare
--improved elder care
--safe water programs

We are ignoring the facts and spewing our own narrative.

Yeah yeah I know. The conversation between me and Outsider was getting too comfortable for your liberally zealot palate and you just had to step in and break it up. Got to protect your narrative. 

Biden told one of the 8 rally goers on one of his campaign stops to "look in his eyes, no more fracking." (I posted the video a couple of months back on here)

Then he said this in the presidential debates ---
"Oil pollutes, we have to transition away from oil."
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verif...516fa28240
Then he said he was absolutely not going to ban fracking.

Will the real Joe please stand up. But not too fast, don't want one of those dizzy spells to cause him to fall. LOL

What's in Biden's speeches does not always match what Biden is actually bound to do.  And of course as usual, your post has zero to do with the factual conversation I was having with Outsider.

So you fear he will tack on more handouts?    

But if the proposals are what they have been stated.  They go through Congress as they are...do you support those?

I suppose your thoughts are idiotic and I would ask. Why all this soap operaish bleeding heart for détente where it comes to Biden, but an organized resistance where it came to Trump? DJT's policies have been co-opted and repackaged in the progressive vein. Operation Warp Speed was shanghaied along with the robust economy. All have been claimed as Dem's own except of course for the Green New Deal.

They'll go through Congress because your side has a majority. Republicans certainly did not get that kind of consideration from you and you did not call for it.

[Cardfan1]

Freeloaders get very little use out of the programs proposed by Biden in this speech.

--Expanded preschool
--free community college
--taxpayer funded childcare
--improved elder care
--safe water programs

We are ignoring the facts and spewing our own narrative.

Yeah yeah I know. The conversation between me and Outsider was getting too comfortable for your liberally zealot palate and you just had to step in and break it up. Got to protect your narrative. 

Biden told one of the 8 rally goers on one of his campaign stops to "look in his eyes, no more fracking." (I posted the video a couple of months back on here)

Then he said this in the presidential debates ---
"Oil pollutes, we have to transition away from oil."
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verif...516fa28240
Then he said he was absolutely not going to ban fracking.

Will the real Joe please stand up. But not too fast, don't want one of those dizzy spells to cause him to fall. LOL

What's in Biden's speeches does not always match what Biden is actually bound to do.  And of course as usual, your post has zero to do with the factual conversation I was having with Outsider.

So you fear he will tack on more handouts?    

But if the proposals are what they have been stated.  They go through Congress as they are...do you support those?

I suppose your thoughts are idiotic

What?

That post was a question.  

[TheRealThing]

To clarify, I do not support any of the items you mentioned. Safe water programs are a farce and the responsibility of the states involved. The rest are smoke screens to get even more trillions to spend on the liberal wish list.

[TheRealThing]

Freeloaders get very little use out of the programs proposed by Biden in this speech.

--Expanded preschool
--free community college
--taxpayer funded childcare
--improved elder care
--safe water programs

We are ignoring the facts and spewing our own narrative.

Yeah yeah I know. The conversation between me and Outsider was getting too comfortable for your liberally zealot palate and you just had to step in and break it up. Got to protect your narrative. 

Biden told one of the 8 rally goers on one of his campaign stops to "look in his eyes, no more fracking." (I posted the video a couple of months back on here)

Then he said this in the presidential debates ---
"Oil pollutes, we have to transition away from oil."
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verif...516fa28240
Then he said he was absolutely not going to ban fracking.

Will the real Joe please stand up. But not too fast, don't want one of those dizzy spells to cause him to fall. LOL

What's in Biden's speeches does not always match what Biden is actually bound to do.  And of course as usual, your post has zero to do with the factual conversation I was having with Outsider.

So you fear he will tack on more handouts?    

But if the proposals are what they have been stated.  They go through Congress as they are...do you support those?

I suppose your thoughts are idiotic

What?

That post was a question.  

read the post as it was intended above, post 158 IDK what happened but always thought BGR's new software was glitchy

[Hoot Gibson]

[quote pid="2308591" dateline="1620177726"]
 

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In addition to paying taxes, do you regularly give money to the Church to help the poor there Outsider?


I'll give you an example and I know this first hand. This town has government sponsored housing for the poor. The government sees to it that their dependents get stimulus checks and income tax returns and much more. When the stimulus comes the tenets of government housing go out and buy stuff like 70" big screens and new XBoxes and etc. Every once in awhile these transients just up and vanish because for whatever reason, they just walk off and leave it all sitting in their apartment. The rules are that everything they leave MUST go into the dumpster. No exceptions. Can't be used by the next tenet, and can't be sold, and can't go home with anybody. It's the dumpster only. Now that's my definition of tax dollar waste. You guys tell about 5 percent of the whole story.

The Outsider  
Yes, I believe in donating to the Church as well as several other charities of my choosing, but i will not judge anyone else who believes differently.

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So, you get what I'm saying then about those on the right who even though they pay taxes through the nose, still go above and beyond to give generously to help the poor. Still you line up with Cardfan and vector to insist more can be done even though God has said and you even quoted this, "the poor you shall ALWAYS have." Always means always but the reason we will always have the poor is because many many people just cannot be motivated to become self sufficient. The drive just is not there. But your contempt for Republicans then is based on what? Wardrobe? Most of them give far more money to the cause than your average Cardfan. I frankly don't get it. The country is strapped for cash to the point where it seems noble in the minds of the left to tax corporations. I mean if we can tax institutions what's next, a marriage tax?

One cannot be a liberal and not look down on or judge those who espouse our traditionally conservative values because liberals say those values are the example of greed. And the plight of the poor then it follows, is not that they are listless or otherwise unmotivated, they are victims of the rich. Does that not fly in the face of what the Lord said about work? Did He guarantee income equality, or did He say it would be hard?  Nor can liberals take the route Pilate took, and just wash their hands of responsibility when they all know their party pushes unfettered abortion and gay rights. We're not accountable to ourselves as Pilate supposed, we are accountable to God.

Not the first one of you will admit what God declared, that man is to work and earn his bread by the sweat of his face. That's not easy and that's not convenient. In fact working for our substance is so burdensome, that we barely get turned around it seems and our children are already gone and the next thing you know we're retiring and the aches and pains of working all those years now dominate our existence. And all too soon, we pass. Life as the Lord has characterized it is like a vapor. You poke your nose out the front door to check how cold it is as you're leaving for work in the morning and you watch that breath of vapor vanish in a second or two, and it's gone. Life is but a vapor.

In saying that,  not all work is particularly glamorous. There are all manner of menial jobs but the pursuit is still noble. Septic tanks have to be drained occasionally, we need mechanics, sanitation workers, the restaurant industry, the motel industry, the list is endless. But every able bodied man should do something. Sitting around waiting on government checks is not honorable for anyone who can work but somehow has decided that kind of thing is beneath him. And that means not everybody will be able to afford a bass boat and a tow vehicle.

I agree with you on this.  There are way too many people getting a free ride who shouldn't be, and it's getting worse every day.  It's a very fine line trying to identify the people who actually need help and those who are just playing the system, but I believe that we can do better as a Country taking care of the people who do actually need the help.  The gap between the wealthy and the poor is growing day by day and the politicians who run this country for the most part, just don't really seem to care.
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If the average salary of CEOs of the Fortune 500 increases by 20% from 2020 to 2021 and the average annual income of the average non-management employees of those companies increases by 5 percent during the same period, then how have those employees been harmed by the increased gap in their respective incomes? Why should politicians care and why should you care? The decisions made by the CEO of a large corporation, such as Lisa Su of AMD can have an enormous impact on not only the profitability of a company but also on the size of the companies workforce, employee benefits, job security, and many other areas that an average employee has negligible impact, if any at all.

I understand wealth envy - it is related to human nature but it is not like we were born without brains and thus unable to logically conclude that somebody else's success does not make us less successful ourselves. The logic that there should be some magic and fair ratio between the income of wealthy people to poor people smacks of Marxism to me.

[The Outsider]

Freeloaders get very little use out of the programs proposed by Biden in this speech.

--Expanded preschool
--free community college
--taxpayer funded childcare
--improved elder care
--safe water programs

We are ignoring the facts and spewing our own narrative.

The U.S. is much less generous than other wealthy countries on these social programs, which is embarrassing.

[Cardfan1]

To clarify, I do not support any of the items you mentioned. Safe water programs are a farce and the responsibility of the states involved. The rest are smoke screens to get even more trillions to spend on the liberal wish list.

Not sure where you live, TRT, but if it hadn’t have been for the Clinton Administration there wouldn’t be water to my house. Water, for that matter clean water initiatives have always been projects in the federal govt.  Don’t be obtuse. 

Dipped and dodged again.

[Cardfan1]

Hooter, I assume this is your attempt to undermine the funding of these proposals.

Shaming people with “wealth envy.”

But let’s remember until the end of Ronnie years, the wealthy have always been taxed at higher rates to pay their fair share.

Corporations often pay less in taxes than mechanics, sanitation workers, restaurant workers, etc.
Considering how many of them we’ve bailed out over the past 50 years, maybe they should pitch in too.

Despite the myriad of lame and disingenuous attempts to distract and divert, this proposal is intended to get people to work and in turn will help that American birthrate that’s been in the news so much this week.

As far as that birth rate is concerned, We have two choices. 1. Incentivize young Americans to have children. 2. Let in more immigrants. (Oh boy, resident conservatives are filling their britches with that one )

[Hoot Gibson]

Hooter, I assume this is your attempt to undermine the funding of these proposals.

  Shaming people with “wealth envy.” 

But let’s remember until the end of Ronnie years, the wealthy have always been taxed at higher rates to pay their fair share. 

Corporations often pay less in taxes than mechanics, sanitation workers, restaurant workers, etc. 
Considering how many of them we’ve bailed out over the past 50 years, maybe they should pitch in too. 

Despite the myriad of lame and disingenuous attempts to distract and divert, this proposal is intended to get people to work and in turn will help that American birthrate that’s been in the news so much this week. 

As far as that birth rate is concerned, We have two choices. 1.  Incentivize young Americans to have children. 2. Let in more immigrants.  (Oh boy, resident conservatives are filling their britches with that one )

Liar. The wealthy paid income taxes at a higher rate than poorer people under Reagan. We should not be incentivizing deadbeats and individuals who cannot afford to raise children without large wealth transfers from people who can afford to raise their own children.

Eliminating the corporate income tax and implementing a consumption tax would create a fair tax system that would allow anybody with a healthy work ethic to pay for the needs of their own offspring.

[Cardfan1]

Hooter, I assume this is your attempt to undermine the funding of these proposals.

  Shaming people with “wealth envy.” 

But let’s remember until the end of Ronnie years, the wealthy have always been taxed at higher rates to pay their fair share. 

Corporations often pay less in taxes than mechanics, sanitation workers, restaurant workers, etc. 
Considering how many of them we’ve bailed out over the past 50 years, maybe they should pitch in too. 

Despite the myriad of lame and disingenuous attempts to distract and divert, this proposal is intended to get people to work and in turn will help that American birthrate that’s been in the news so much this week. 

As far as that birth rate is concerned, We have two choices. 1.  Incentivize young Americans to have children. 2. Let in more immigrants.  (Oh boy, resident conservatives are filling their britches with that one )

Liar. The wealthy paid income taxes at a higher rate than poorer people under Reagan. We should not be incentivizing deadbeats and individuals who cannot afford to raise children without large wealth transfers from people who can afford to raise their own children.

Eliminating the corporate income tax and implementing a consumption tax would create a fair tax system that would allow anybody with a healthy work ethic to pay for the needs of their own offspring.

Ronnie cut the max tax rate all the way to 28%.  He started us on the path where today billionaires and corporations can pay just $750 in taxes,  And the national debt soars 

Deadbeats? Good to know you hate young Americans starting a family.  Some patriot you are.

[TheRealThing]

To clarify, I do not support any of the items you mentioned. Safe water programs are a farce and the responsibility of the states involved. The rest are smoke screens to get even more trillions to spend on the liberal wish list.

Not sure where you live, TRT, but if it hadn’t have been for the Clinton Administration there wouldn’t be water to my house. Water, for that matter clean water initiatives have always been projects in the federal govt.  Don’t be obtuse. 

Dipped and dodged again.

In my experience, the federal government has given grants to some states for domestic water projects. But it is the states which are directly involved with oversight of the work. The Clinton Administration dealt with watershed, sanitation projects and pollution issues, what was the project under which clean water was supplied to your house Cardfan?

[Cardfan1]

To clarify, I do not support any of the items you mentioned. Safe water programs are a farce and the responsibility of the states involved. The rest are smoke screens to get even more trillions to spend on the liberal wish list.

Not sure where you live, TRT, but if it hadn’t have been for the Clinton Administration there wouldn’t be water to my house. Water, for that matter clean water initiatives have always been projects in the federal govt.  Don’t be obtuse. 

Dipped and dodged again.

In my experience, the federal government has given grants to some states for domestic water projects. But it is the states which are directly involved with oversight of the work. The Clinton Administration dealt with watershed, sanitation projects and pollution issues, what was the project under which clean water was supplied to your house Cardfan?

Couldn’t tell you the name. My county was an empowerment zone so it could have had something to do with that. 

I was a young fella, and I remember the project sign at the bottom of the hill with Bill’s name on it. Took them nearly a year to run the city water up the hill from the main road.

[Old School Hound]

To clarify, I do not support any of the items you mentioned. Safe water programs are a farce and the responsibility of the states involved. The rest are smoke screens to get even more trillions to spend on the liberal wish list.

Not sure where you live, TRT, but if it hadn’t have been for the Clinton Administration there wouldn’t be water to my house. Water, for that matter clean water initiatives have always been projects in the federal govt.  Don’t be obtuse. 

Dipped and dodged again.

In my experience, the federal government has given grants to some states for domestic water projects. But it is the states which are directly involved with oversight of the work. The Clinton Administration dealt with watershed, sanitation projects and pollution issues, what was the project under which clean water was supplied to your house Cardfan?

Couldn’t tell you the name. My county was an empowerment zone so it could have had something to do with that. 

I was a young fella, and I remember the project sign at the bottom of the hill with Bill’s name on it. Took them nearly a year to run the city water up the hill from the main road.

Yep, I remember it too. I spent a lot of time in McKee  around that time. Jackson County, one of the poorest counties in the state(and about 90% Republican) was an empowerment zone and received a lot of help from Bill.