[TheRealThing]

It didn't happen vector.  I said that more in a joking way than a serious one, but it must've really gotten under your skin because you have referenced that term so many times.  I would reference some negative terms you have used about Trump, but there isn't enough room.
I have suggested that this entire forum be eliminated.  There isn't any sharing of information, or discussion; just negativity and hatred being vomited into words.
Unless there are significant changes in the way posts are made, this will be my last one in this forum.

Granny Bear you are exactly right in your analysis and in many ways, this forum demonstrates what's wrong with the American society. The left, despite lack of any corroboration whatever in support of their ideas; and that would be in the past present and future tenses, still soldier on doggedly insisting that they are right anyway. The right meanwhile, which though still not perfect themselves, clearly have the historical record on their side both secularly and Scripturaly, and are made out to be idiots for it again by...   the left.

It is the duty of the Church to point the world system towards Christ. There are those on the right in government, and in the media, and academia who though as in the case of DJT may not all be saints themselves, who nonetheless recognize the sovereignty of God. Which in turn mitigates their rush to full-on liberalism and globalism. The left defy God full stop. The right basically despite all their best intentions, have 'a form of godliness' but wind up denying 'the power' of God. True government is of God and is in the Person of His Son Jesus as outlined in Isaiah 9:6.  A fact I believe the founders recognized, hence their clearly stated position that America could only persevere as long as she remained a Christian nation. Obviously they were right.

Today's Christians are aware of the founder's intents and are trying to take the pragmatist's approach to living in a lost world by voting for the lesser of two evils. We're just never going to get it right down here but that doesn't mean we should just throw up our hands and throw caution to the wind either. God's people don't hate liberals but neither can we lay down to be bulldozed by the rush to globalism either. The biggest part of me would not miss this forum if it was shut down because of the vitriol. I would just point out that the right in the US Congress as mentioned above, are assaulted in much the same manner they are on this forum.

We try to support them, (they really need as much as they can get BTW) and we try to spur them to represent us to that end with conviction. But it's anything but easy. No the US cannot govern themselves out of this one, and ironically if we are to pull out of the nosedive we will need a transformation. Not more liberalism but more godliness, a nationwide revival in fact.
2 Chronicles 7:14
"if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land."