Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Did Mitch cave on the debt ceiling?
#1
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...li=BBnb7Kz

I don't believe that he did. He has something else up his sleeve and is just laying a trap for the Dems.
#2
(10-08-2021, 04:59 PM)The Outsider Wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...li=BBnb7Kz

I don't believe that he did. He has something else up his sleeve and is just laying a trap for the Dems.
Agreed.  I believe this is a strategic retreat.  The line the GOP tried to use about debt limit and future spending was shot down pretty easily but next time it may not be if Dems can pass infrastructure and start on budget reconciliation.
#3
(10-08-2021, 05:17 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(10-08-2021, 04:59 PM)The Outsider Wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...li=BBnb7Kz

I don't believe that he did. He has something else up his sleeve and is just laying a trap for the Dems.
Agreed.  I believe this is a strategic retreat.  The line the GOP tried to use about debt limit and future spending was shot down pretty easily but next time it may not be if Dems can pass infrastructure and start on budget reconciliation.
Strategic retreat? McConnell's move pushes the date that Democrats will be forced to suspend or raise the debt to a ridiculous level as they push an unpopular spending bill closer to the 2020 elections. Cutting a deal now also is evidence of how reasonable Republicans have been, a fact that Republican candidates will use if Republicans play hardball later.

With his job approval rating plunging into the upper 30s, I seriously doubt that Biden is going to get much more of his big-spending socialist agenda through Congress before he is pushed out of office.
#4
(10-08-2021, 06:29 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(10-08-2021, 05:17 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(10-08-2021, 04:59 PM)The Outsider Wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...li=BBnb7Kz

I don't believe that he did. He has something else up his sleeve and is just laying a trap for the Dems.
Agreed.  I believe this is a strategic retreat.  The line the GOP tried to use about debt limit and future spending was shot down pretty easily but next time it may not be if Dems can pass infrastructure and start on budget reconciliation.
Strategic retreat? McConnell's move pushes the date that Democrats will be forced to suspend or raise the debt to a ridiculous level as they push an unpopular spending bill closer to the 2020 elections. Cutting a deal now also is evidence of how reasonable Republicans have been, a fact that Republican candidates will use if Republicans play hardball later.

With his job approval rating plunging into the upper 30s, I seriously doubt that Biden is going to get much more of his big-spending socialist agenda through Congress before he is pushed out of office.
How is 
“ok, ok, I’ll pay my bills” reasonable? 

Oh yes. Democrats will push Biden out of office because they are so frustrated. 

Hoot, do you believe what you type?

Nevermind Big Grin
#5
(10-08-2021, 06:42 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(10-08-2021, 06:29 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(10-08-2021, 05:17 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(10-08-2021, 04:59 PM)The Outsider Wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...li=BBnb7Kz

I don't believe that he did. He has something else up his sleeve and is just laying a trap for the Dems.
Agreed.  I believe this is a strategic retreat.  The line the GOP tried to use about debt limit and future spending was shot down pretty easily but next time it may not be if Dems can pass infrastructure and start on budget reconciliation.
Strategic retreat? McConnell's move pushes the date that Democrats will be forced to suspend or raise the debt to a ridiculous level as they push an unpopular spending bill closer to the 2020 elections. Cutting a deal now also is evidence of how reasonable Republicans have been, a fact that Republican candidates will use if Republicans play hardball later.

With his job approval rating plunging into the upper 30s, I seriously doubt that Biden is going to get much more of his big-spending socialist agenda through Congress before he is pushed out of office.
How is 
“ok, ok, I’ll pay my bills” reasonable? 

Oh yes. Democrats will push Biden out of office because they are so frustrated. 

Hoot, do you believe what you type?

Nevermind Big Grin
The difference in you and me, Cardfan1, is that what I type is fact-based and believable and what you type is...not so much. I am telling you how the next few months will play out politically. Republicans compromise with Democrats and agree to a short-term increase in the debt ceiling. At some point, if Democrats find the votes to pass their proposed $4.5 trillion in new spending bills, Republicans will force Democrats to provide all of the votes for the spending bills and to raise the debt ceiling.

The G.O.P. will point to this "compromise" as evidence that they have been more than reasonable on the debt ceiling issue. It is an attempt by McConnell to reclaim the fiscal responsibility crown for this party. In other words, McConnell did not retreat on this issue at all. He never intended to have Democrats raise the debt ceiling without Republican votes this far in advance of the elections. There have to be many Democrat incumbents in red states that are not going to be eager to be blamed for a government shutdown or for voting for $trillions in new spending in an election year.
[-] The following 1 user Likes Hoot Gibson's post:
  • TheRealThing
#6
(10-08-2021, 06:56 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(10-08-2021, 06:42 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(10-08-2021, 06:29 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:
(10-08-2021, 05:17 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:
(10-08-2021, 04:59 PM)The Outsider Wrote: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/...li=BBnb7Kz

I don't believe that he did. He has something else up his sleeve and is just laying a trap for the Dems.
Agreed.  I believe this is a strategic retreat.  The line the GOP tried to use about debt limit and future spending was shot down pretty easily but next time it may not be if Dems can pass infrastructure and start on budget reconciliation.
Strategic retreat? McConnell's move pushes the date that Democrats will be forced to suspend or raise the debt to a ridiculous level as they push an unpopular spending bill closer to the 2020 elections. Cutting a deal now also is evidence of how reasonable Republicans have been, a fact that Republican candidates will use if Republicans play hardball later.

With his job approval rating plunging into the upper 30s, I seriously doubt that Biden is going to get much more of his big-spending socialist agenda through Congress before he is pushed out of office.
How is 
“ok, ok, I’ll pay my bills” reasonable? 

Oh yes. Democrats will push Biden out of office because they are so frustrated. 

Hoot, do you believe what you type?

Nevermind Big Grin
The difference in you and me, Cardfan1, is that what I type is fact-based and believable and what you type is...not so much. I am telling you how the next few months will play out politically. Republicans compromise with Democrats and agree to a short-term increase in the debt ceiling. At some point, if Democrats find the votes to pass their proposed $4.5 trillion in new spending bills, Republicans will force Democrats to provide all of the votes for the spending bills and to raise the debt ceiling.

The G.O.P. will point to this "compromise" as evidence that they have been more than reasonable on the debt ceiling issue. It is an attempt by McConnell to reclaim the fiscal responsibility crown for this party. In other words, McConnell did not retreat on this issue at all. He never intended to have Democrats raise the debt ceiling without Republican votes this far in advance of the elections. There have to be many Democrat incumbents in red states that are not going to be eager to be blamed for a government shutdown or for voting for $trillions in new spending in an election year.


Facts out the window: No matter how immoral and ludicrous Democrats get., Cardfan is an unwavering cheerleader. No matter how well Trump governed, which fact now highlighted against current events is now beyond reasonable debate, Cardfan is an unwavering critic.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
#7
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/mit...00745.html

I found this interesting article concerning McConnell and Trump.

“McConnell has one goal: helping Republicans regain control of the Senate for the purpose of enacting Republican policy goals and stifling the Democratic agenda, Trump lurches from one public relations [gambit] to the next; McConnell plays a longer game where there are actual political and policy goals at the end of a journey.”

“Obviously, Mitch made the calculation, I think correctly, that the right way to handle Trump was to turn the page,” a Republican senator said, requesting anonymity in order to speak candidly. “The idea of someone challenging Mitch is far-fetched.”

He probably feels just as strongly about Trump, if not more so than Cheney, but realizes the prudent course of action is not to comment,” the senator said. “Mitch is just much more disciplined. When you’re in leadership, you don’t want to be the story.”
#8
(10-09-2021, 03:50 PM)The Outsider Wrote: https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/mit...00745.html

I found this interesting article concerning McConnell and Trump.

“McConnell has one goal: helping Republicans regain control of the Senate for the purpose of enacting Republican policy goals and stifling the Democratic agenda, Trump lurches from one public relations [gambit] to the next; McConnell plays a longer game where there are actual political and policy goals at the end of a journey.”

“Obviously, Mitch made the calculation, I think correctly, that the right way to handle Trump was to turn the page,” a Republican senator said, requesting anonymity in order to speak candidly. “The idea of someone challenging Mitch is far-fetched.”

He probably feels just as strongly about Trump, if not more so than Cheney, but realizes the prudent course of action is not to comment,” the senator said. “Mitch is just much more disciplined. When you’re in leadership, you don’t want to be the story.”
Pro tip, whenever you see "probably" in a "news" article, it's propaganda.

Forum Jump:

Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)