[Old School Hound]

I married a democrat.  I would estimate that 95% of the time, we voted the same way.

Politics and politicians are a disaster.  Few are fighting for their constituents; most are only interested in increasing their profile, wealth and attention; personal gain as opposed to representation of the people.

My best friend is also a democrat.  We oftentimes discuss our different perspectives.  She has changed my opinions sometimes, and sometimes she has changed her's.  But about half the time, neither of us have changed our minds.  That's okay.  She's an intelligent, active and trustworthy individual and I respect the views that she has even if I don't agree with them.

It all boils down to individual perspectives.  She considers me a conservative; my daughter (who would make Hoot look like a liberal) thinks I'm a liberal.  I think of myself as a moderate leaning toward the conservative side.  But at the end of the day, what do these opinions change?  Nothing.

I remember you mentioning that a couple of years ago, Gran. .Sadly, today, I think you are in the minority.  As I've pointed out with several examples, even our politicians used to be able to talk to one another civily and actually get some work done for the American people. Even within the past year or so , McConnell and Biden(who apparently have a good relatonship) have done work together. Tip O' neil and Reagan were very close. Fought like wolverines for their ideas until 6pm and then were good buddies the rest of the day.  As you mentioned, our politics in this country have become a disaster. The goal seems to be to "destroy" one's opponent, when, in fact, it is our country that is being destroyed.

[Granny Bear]

For the first time in my entire life, I agree with you!

With the exception of McConnell and Biden. Both are parasites who couldn't do an unselfish political act if their lives depended on it. JMO

[Old School Hound]

For the first time in my entire life, I agree with you! 

With the exception of McConnell and Biden.  Both are parasites who couldn't do an unselfish political act if their lives depended on it.  JMO

I doubt that!!!   We probably agree more than you care to know. lol   I do think that Biden and McConnell have both been good politicians for four decades(Especially McConnell). That's not necessrily a good thing. lol  I would submit that Mitch may be the best politician in my voting lifetime. He is one shrewd, political b*sta*d.  HOF'er.  I don't care for him but I respect his political smarts.

[The Outsider]

For the first time in my entire life, I agree with you! 

With the exception of McConnell and Biden.  Both are parasites who couldn't do an unselfish political act if their lives depended on it.  JMO

I doubt that!!!   We probably agree more than you care to know. lol   I do think that Biden and McConnell have both been  good politicians for four decades(Especially McConnell). That's not necessrily a good thing. lol  I would submit that Mitch may be the best politician in my voting lifetime. He is one shrewd, political b*sta*d.  HOF'er.  I don't care for him but I respect his political smarts.

McConnell has said that the biggest mistake of his political career was preventing Trump from being impeached.  He has been very good for the GOP and the state of KY, sometimes though at the expense of the Country as a whole.

[Hoot Gibson]

For the first time in my entire life, I agree with you! 

With the exception of McConnell and Biden.  Both are parasites who couldn't do an unselfish political act if their lives depended on it.  JMO

I doubt that!!!   We probably agree more than you care to know. lol   I do think that Biden and McConnell have both been  good politicians for four decades(Especially McConnell). That's not necessrily a good thing. lol  I would submit that Mitch may be the best politician in my voting lifetime. He is one shrewd, political b*sta*d.  HOF'er.  I don't care for him but I respect his political smarts.

McConnell has said that the biggest mistake of his political career was preventing Trump from being impeached.  He has been very good for the GOP and the state of KY, sometimes though at the expense of the Country as a whole.

McConnell is just another crooked politician who, along with his wife, has amassed an enormous fortune while working as a "public servant." McConnel has been good for McConnell. He is certainly an order of magnitude smarter than Joe Biden, but then who isn't smarter than Joe Biden? Both men are corrupt to the core and to call what they have done with their lives "public service" is a cruel insult to the American people.

[Old School Hound]

I've never been blown away or anythng by Ol' Joe but when Mitch said this on the Senate floor it made me wonder which old guy was blowing who:

"I don't always agree with him, but I do trust him implicitly. He doesn't break his word,"[ McConnell said of Biden on the Senate floor in December 2016]. "He doesn't waste time telling me why I'm wrong. He gets down to brass tacks and keeps sight of the stakes."

[Hoot Gibson]

I've never been blown away or anythng by Ol' Joe but when Mitch said this on the Senate floor it made me wonder which old guy was blowing who:

"I don't always agree with him, but I do trust him implicitly. He doesn't break his word,"[ McConnell said of Biden on the Senate floor in December 2016]. "He doesn't waste time telling me why I'm wrong. He gets down to brass tacks and keeps sight of the stakes."

You're missing a big red flag here. When one crooked politician says that he trusts another crooked politician, that is not an endorsement that anybody should take seriously. I remember when Biden got caught in so many lies and plagiarizing Neal Kinnock's autobiography that he was forced out of the Democrat primaries. There has never been a more dishonest politician in U.S. politics than Joe Biden. The top media liberals in 1987 were literally laughing at the stupidity of his blatant lies on the campaign trail. He has never stopped telling whoppers but Americans have just developed a higher tolerance for dishonesty in their politicians.

[Old School Hound]

I've never been blown away or anythng by Ol' Joe but when Mitch said this on the Senate floor it made me wonder which old guy was blowing who:

"I don't always agree with him, but I do trust him implicitly. He doesn't break his word,"[ McConnell said of Biden on the Senate floor in December 2016]. "He doesn't waste time telling me why I'm wrong. He gets down to brass tacks and keeps sight of the stakes."

You're missing a big red flag here. When one crooked politician says that he trusts another crooked politician, that is not an endorsement that anybody should take seriously. I remember when Biden got caught in so many lies and plagiarizing Neal Kinnock's autobiography that he was forced out of the Democrat primaries. There has never been a more dishonest politician in U.S. politics than Joe Biden. The top media liberals in 1987 were literally laughing at the stupidity of his blatant lies on the campaign trail. He has never stopped telling whoppers but Americans have just developed a higher tolerance for dishonesty in their politicians.

That's what I meant to imply in my post.  In fact, I started to use the term "red flag." You are correct .An endorsement from a crook is not a positive. Both of the old guys have had their day in the sun. Too many days, in fact. They need to be put out to pasture where they can trust each other among the cows.

[TheRealThing]

The moderates in each party , fior the most part, have liked and respected each other in recent history and been able to find enough common ground to get some things accomplished.  Its the extremists, especially nut jobs like Gaetz, Boebert, Greene, and Gosar, who have zero desire to put differences and personal agengas aside, find  common ground, and get work done that is beneficial to all of us.  RWR and Tip did it , Obama & Boehner did it, Clinton & Newt did it. Even McConnell and Biden have done it.



"I don't always agree with him(Joe Biden), but I do trust him implicitly. He doesn't break his word.  He doesn't waste time telling me why I'm wrong. He gets down to brass tacks and keeps sight of the stakes."

 --- Mitch McConnell (Speaking from the Senate floor in 2016)

^^ Johnathan Goldsmith-- The most interesting man in the world----  

"I don't always agree with Joe Biden. But when I do,  I schedule an appointment with my neurologist."


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[Old School Hound]

Serious question for the conservatives on board? How do you feel about political compromise? In reality, that's about the only way anything of consequence gets done. Would you pefer those on your side make no concessions at all or do you want your legislators to make deal with the opposition-- you get something but you give up something? I think it's it's pretty well known that Mitch and Joe made a deal. Mitch got some conservative judges he wanted in KY and he agreed to not run any interference on Biden's big spending package. WIn-win... right? Or no?

Same question for any liberal lurking out there in BGR-land? You want your guys to steadfastly refuse to work in any way with the opposition or are you okay with giving the other side half a win?

[Hoot Gibson]

At the time Reagan compromised with Tip O'Neill, Reagan believed that the U.S. was facing an existential threat in the Soviet Union. Democrats got huge spending increases on socialist domestic programs so that Reagan could escalate the arms race during the Cold War and precipitate the economic collapse of the Soviet Union. The compromises were not the result of Reagan and O'Neill getting along. At that time, there were still some patriotic Democrats, such as Sam Nunn, who shared Reagan's commitment to win the Cold War. There were also a few liberals, such as Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who recognized and opposed policies that threatened American families by rewarding irresponsible behavior with financial rewards.

Things have changed. Liberal policies and Democrats' inability to govern competently are the top existential threat facing this country today. I generally oppose any compromise that further threaten to destroy our economy and traditional values. Liberal attacks on capitalism, law and order, and their harmful policies that imperil the mental and physical health of American children cannot be tolerated, regardless of what is offered to the Republican Party in return.

[Old School Hound]

At the time Reagan compromised with Tip O'Neill, Reagan believed that the U.S. was facing an existential threat in the Soviet Union. Democrats got huge spending increases on socialist domestic programs so that Reagan could escalate the arms race during the Cold War and precipitate the economic collapse of the Soviet Union. The compromises were not the result of Reagan and O'Neill getting along. At that time, there were still some patriotic Democrats, such as Sam Nunn, who shared Reagan's commitment to win the Cold War. There were also a few liberals, such as Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who recognized and opposed policies that threatened American families by rewarding irresponsible behavior with financial rewards.

Things have changed. Liberal policies and Democrats' inability to govern competently are the top existential threat facing this country today. I generally oppose any compromise that further threaten to destroy our economy and traditional values. Liberal attacks on capitalism, law and order, and their harmful policies that imperil the mental and physical health of American children cannot be tolerated, regardless of what is offered to the Republican Party in return.

Okay, I'll bite.  What harmful liberal policies do that?   Some may argue that conservative policies are much more harmful to children:


Across the country, Republicans have made keeping kids “safe from transgenderism” one of their top priorities. Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has said the GOP needs to “protect children” from trans people and their supposed nefarious agenda. Greene, who is one of the Republican Party’s ideological leaders and a key bridge between Donald Trump and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, is far from alone. So far eight anti-trans bills have already become state law in 2023, with more to come. Republicans consistently justify such bills with innuendo about protecting children from trans predators or “groomers.”

They have used the same rhetoric in attempts to restrict drag shows, because nothing is more dangerous for children than watching performers dressed up in costumes pretending to be someone else. The drag hysteria has led not only to legislative attempts to restrict free expression, but to dangerous protests at children’s events. Meanwhile, Republicans have also made significant efforts over the past few years to eliminate discussions of homosexuality and racism from school and even university curricula. Of course Donald Trump is using the bully pulpit as the party’s leading presidential candidate to try to further stoke reactionary sentiment, attacking teachers and public schools in the process.

But Republicans’ professed desire to protect children disappears when faced with anything that might actually endanger them. Children are regularly murdered at school in mass shootings, a fact that has become too banal to even mention, so thoroughly have we given up hope that anyone in power will do anything to stop it. As long as the Republican Party is totally committed to allowing this state of affairs to continue, their claims about the need to protect children will remain a hollow joke.

Now Republicans in multiple states have introduced strikingly similar pieces of legislation that will actively harm children by relaxing child labor regulations, putting them at greater risk of injury and exploitation. In addition, studies have found that in addition to potential dangers at specific workplaces, child labor in and of itself puts children at greater health risk.



https://jacobin.com/2023/03/gop-anti-tra...-shootings

[Hoot Gibson]

At the time Reagan compromised with Tip O'Neill, Reagan believed that the U.S. was facing an existential threat in the Soviet Union. Democrats got huge spending increases on socialist domestic programs so that Reagan could escalate the arms race during the Cold War and precipitate the economic collapse of the Soviet Union. The compromises were not the result of Reagan and O'Neill getting along. At that time, there were still some patriotic Democrats, such as Sam Nunn, who shared Reagan's commitment to win the Cold War. There were also a few liberals, such as Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who recognized and opposed policies that threatened American families by rewarding irresponsible behavior with financial rewards.

Things have changed. Liberal policies and Democrats' inability to govern competently are the top existential threat facing this country today. I generally oppose any compromise that further threaten to destroy our economy and traditional values. Liberal attacks on capitalism, law and order, and their harmful policies that imperil the mental and physical health of American children cannot be tolerated, regardless of what is offered to the Republican Party in return.

Okay, I'll bite.  What harmful liberal policies do that?   Some may argue that conservative policies are much more harmful to children:


Across the country, Republicans have made keeping kids “safe from transgenderism” one of their top priorities. Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has said the GOP needs to “protect children” from trans people and their supposed nefarious agenda. Greene, who is one of the Republican Party’s ideological leaders and a key bridge between Donald Trump and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, is far from alone. So far eight anti-trans bills have already become state law in 2023, with more to come. Republicans consistently justify such bills with innuendo about protecting children from trans predators or “groomers.”

They have used the same rhetoric in attempts to restrict drag shows, because nothing is more dangerous for children than watching performers dressed up in costumes pretending to be someone else. The drag hysteria has led not only to legislative attempts to restrict free expression, but to dangerous protests at children’s events. Meanwhile, Republicans have also made significant efforts over the past few years to eliminate discussions of homosexuality and racism from school and even university curricula. Of course Donald Trump is using the bully pulpit as the party’s leading presidential candidate to try to further stoke reactionary sentiment, attacking teachers and public schools in the process.

But Republicans’ professed desire to protect children disappears when faced with anything that might actually endanger them. Children are regularly murdered at school in mass shootings, a fact that has become too banal to even mention, so thoroughly have we given up hope that anyone in power will do anything to stop it. As long as the Republican Party is totally committed to allowing this state of affairs to continue, their claims about the need to protect children will remain a hollow joke.

Now Republicans in multiple states have introduced strikingly similar pieces of legislation that will actively harm children by relaxing child labor regulations, putting them at greater risk of injury and exploitation. In addition, studies have found that in addition to potential dangers at specific workplaces, child labor in and of itself puts children at greater health risk.



https://jacobin.com/2023/03/gop-anti-tra...-shootings

Your response indicates that you are already well aware of liberals' ongoing efforts to groom children for abuse. It also indicates that you support those efforts. The attempt to blame Americans who support the Second Amendment for mass shootings of children and present it as a greater evil than exposing school children to "alternative" lifestyles at an inappropriate age is a ridiculous argument to make. As Americans, we do have a constitutional right to carry firearms. There is no constitutional right for drag queens to entertain young elementary school children without their parents' consent.

[jetpilot]

At the time Reagan compromised with Tip O'Neill, Reagan believed that the U.S. was facing an existential threat in the Soviet Union. Democrats got huge spending increases on socialist domestic programs so that Reagan could escalate the arms race during the Cold War and precipitate the economic collapse of the Soviet Union. The compromises were not the result of Reagan and O'Neill getting along. At that time, there were still some patriotic Democrats, such as Sam Nunn, who shared Reagan's commitment to win the Cold War. There were also a few liberals, such as Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who recognized and opposed policies that threatened American families by rewarding irresponsible behavior with financial rewards.

Things have changed. Liberal policies and Democrats' inability to govern competently are the top existential threat facing this country today. I generally oppose any compromise that further threaten to destroy our economy and traditional values. Liberal attacks on capitalism, law and order, and their harmful policies that imperil the mental and physical health of American children cannot be tolerated, regardless of what is offered to the Republican Party in return.

Okay, I'll bite.  What harmful liberal policies do that?   Some may argue that conservative policies are much more harmful to children:


Across the country, Republicans have made keeping kids “safe from transgenderism” one of their top priorities. Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has said the GOP needs to “protect children” from trans people and their supposed nefarious agenda. Greene, who is one of the Republican Party’s ideological leaders and a key bridge between Donald Trump and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, is far from alone. So far eight anti-trans bills have already become state law in 2023, with more to come. Republicans consistently justify such bills with innuendo about protecting children from trans predators or “groomers.”

They have used the same rhetoric in attempts to restrict drag shows, because nothing is more dangerous for children than watching performers dressed up in costumes pretending to be someone else. The drag hysteria has led not only to legislative attempts to restrict free expression, but to dangerous protests at children’s events. Meanwhile, Republicans have also made significant efforts over the past few years to eliminate discussions of homosexuality and racism from school and even university curricula. Of course Donald Trump is using the bully pulpit as the party’s leading presidential candidate to try to further stoke reactionary sentiment, attacking teachers and public schools in the process.

But Republicans’ professed desire to protect children disappears when faced with anything that might actually endanger them. Children are regularly murdered at school in mass shootings, a fact that has become too banal to even mention, so thoroughly have we given up hope that anyone in power will do anything to stop it. As long as the Republican Party is totally committed to allowing this state of affairs to continue, their claims about the need to protect children will remain a hollow joke.

Now Republicans in multiple states have introduced strikingly similar pieces of legislation that will actively harm children by relaxing child labor regulations, putting them at greater risk of injury and exploitation. In addition, studies have found that in addition to potential dangers at specific workplaces, child labor in and of itself puts children at greater health risk.



https://jacobin.com/2023/03/gop-anti-tra...-shootings

[jetpilot]

Like being anti-abortion? Not mutilating kids' genitals without their parents' consent? Not allowing drag/tranny shows in schools? Not allowing pornographic books in schools? You are one sick pup OSH.

[Old School Hound]

Like being anti-abortion? Not mutilating kids' genitals without their parents' consent? Not allowing drag/tranny shows in schools? Not allowing pornographic books in schools? You are one sick pup OSH.

There begets the problem, Jet. Who determines what is pornographic and what isn't?  You , Hoot, and The Wrong Thing ?   Me, Bill Maher, and George Clooney ?

[Hoot Gibson]

Like being anti-abortion? Not mutilating kids' genitals without their parents' consent? Not allowing drag/tranny shows in schools? Not allowing pornographic books in schools? You are one sick pup OSH.

There begets the problem, Jet. Who determines what is pornographic and what isn't?  You , Hoot, and The Wrong Thing ?   Me, Bill Maher, and George Clooney ?

No, the problem is those of you who defend the grooming of young children for sexual exploitation at the hands of drag queens and other depraved individuals who believe that they have a right to develop relationships with children without their parents knowledge or approval. As far as pornography is concerned, in the case of elementary, middle, and high school libraries, the question does not need a definitive answer. The rule should be "when in doubt, throw it out" and the hurdle should be highest for books that are accessible to the youngest students. People have their entire adult lives to partake in pornography, if they are so inclined.

Show me a study showing that children given easy access to pornography live happier and more prosperous lives, and I will show you a perverted Democrat researcher.

[Hoot Gibson]

At the time Reagan compromised with Tip O'Neill, Reagan believed that the U.S. was facing an existential threat in the Soviet Union. Democrats got huge spending increases on socialist domestic programs so that Reagan could escalate the arms race during the Cold War and precipitate the economic collapse of the Soviet Union. The compromises were not the result of Reagan and O'Neill getting along. At that time, there were still some patriotic Democrats, such as Sam Nunn, who shared Reagan's commitment to win the Cold War. There were also a few liberals, such as Daniel Patrick Moynihan, who recognized and opposed policies that threatened American families by rewarding irresponsible behavior with financial rewards.

Things have changed. Liberal policies and Democrats' inability to govern competently are the top existential threat facing this country today. I generally oppose any compromise that further threaten to destroy our economy and traditional values. Liberal attacks on capitalism, law and order, and their harmful policies that imperil the mental and physical health of American children cannot be tolerated, regardless of what is offered to the Republican Party in return.

Okay, I'll bite.  What harmful liberal policies do that?   Some may argue that conservative policies are much more harmful to children:


Across the country, Republicans have made keeping kids “safe from transgenderism” one of their top priorities. Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene has said the GOP needs to “protect children” from trans people and their supposed nefarious agenda. Greene, who is one of the Republican Party’s ideological leaders and a key bridge between Donald Trump and House Speaker Kevin McCarthy, is far from alone. So far eight anti-trans bills have already become state law in 2023, with more to come. Republicans consistently justify such bills with innuendo about protecting children from trans predators or “groomers.”

They have used the same rhetoric in attempts to restrict drag shows, because nothing is more dangerous for children than watching performers dressed up in costumes pretending to be someone else. The drag hysteria has led not only to legislative attempts to restrict free expression, but to dangerous protests at children’s events. Meanwhile, Republicans have also made significant efforts over the past few years to eliminate discussions of homosexuality and racism from school and even university curricula. Of course Donald Trump is using the bully pulpit as the party’s leading presidential candidate to try to further stoke reactionary sentiment, attacking teachers and public schools in the process.

But Republicans’ professed desire to protect children disappears when faced with anything that might actually endanger them. Children are regularly murdered at school in mass shootings, a fact that has become too banal to even mention, so thoroughly have we given up hope that anyone in power will do anything to stop it. As long as the Republican Party is totally committed to allowing this state of affairs to continue, their claims about the need to protect children will remain a hollow joke.

Now Republicans in multiple states have introduced strikingly similar pieces of legislation that will actively harm children by relaxing child labor regulations, putting them at greater risk of injury and exploitation. In addition, studies have found that in addition to potential dangers at specific workplaces, child labor in and of itself puts children at greater health risk.



https://jacobin.com/2023/03/gop-anti-tra...-shootings

Those who would argue that conservatives are responsible for mass shootings of children because they support their Second Amendment rights are scum. 

[Old School Hound]

Like being anti-abortion? Not mutilating kids' genitals without their parents' consent? Not allowing drag/tranny shows in schools? Not allowing pornographic books in schools? You are one sick pup OSH.

There begets the problem, Jet. Who determines what is pornographic and what isn't?  You , Hoot, and The Wrong Thing ?   Me, Bill Maher, and George Clooney ?

No, the problem is those of you who defend the grooming of young children for sexual exploitation at the hands of drag queens and other depraved individuals who believe that they have a right to develop relationships with children without their parents knowledge or approval. As far as pornography is concerned, in the case of elementary, middle, and high school libraries, the question does not need a definitive answer. The rule should be "when in doubt, throw it out" and the hurdle should be highest for books that are accessible to the youngest students. People have their entire adult lives to partake in pornography, if they are so inclined.

Show me a study showing that children given easy access to pornography live happier and more prosperous lives, and I will show you a perverted Democrat researcher.

I don't want you or The Wrong Thing , in ANY caapacity being a decider of what to throw out or not throw out. "If in doubt, throw it out. "  LOL  I don't think so !!!  If there's is doubt in who's mind , Hoot? Yours , Jet, TWT  ?  That's a slippery slope to a very scary world of censorship. The Wrong Thing would have an issue with Green Eggs& Ham , just like that fat freak , Falwell, had a problem with what he perceived as a "gay" Teletubby. Just sit in your comfy office chair, watch your pickeball,  spread your insane conspiracy theories & hateful bigotries but your kind is not gonna censor anything. You can count on that. You are in the vast minority on that kind of censorship.

Shakespeare had guys like you pegged hundreds of years ago, Hoot.  And I've seen it play out in real life time and time again. Those who complain the loudest about things homosexuality(Ted Haggard), pornography(Swaggart),  drag queens(Hoot G. ???) are dealing with those very issues in their in their own confused lives. You're revealing too much about yourself, Hoot.  LOL

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."   ---William Shakespeare

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Like being anti-abortion? Not mutilating kids' genitals without their parents' consent? Not allowing drag/tranny shows in schools? Not allowing pornographic books in schools? You are one sick pup OSH.

Why am I sick? Just because I am supportive of my gay sister?  Just because I support the right of consenting adults to live whatever lifestyle they choose for themselves?  Just because I support a woman's autonomy when it comes to decisions about her body?   I have probably lived a more conservative lifestyle than 99% of the people on this board. I'm about as straight and narrow as one can be. Having said that, I don't feel it's for me to lambast anyone's "alternative" lifestyle choices. To each his/her own.

[Hoot Gibson]

Like being anti-abortion? Not mutilating kids' genitals without their parents' consent? Not allowing drag/tranny shows in schools? Not allowing pornographic books in schools? You are one sick pup OSH.

There begets the problem, Jet. Who determines what is pornographic and what isn't?  You , Hoot, and The Wrong Thing ?   Me, Bill Maher, and George Clooney ?

No, the problem is those of you who defend the grooming of young children for sexual exploitation at the hands of drag queens and other depraved individuals who believe that they have a right to develop relationships with children without their parents knowledge or approval. As far as pornography is concerned, in the case of elementary, middle, and high school libraries, the question does not need a definitive answer. The rule should be "when in doubt, throw it out" and the hurdle should be highest for books that are accessible to the youngest students. People have their entire adult lives to partake in pornography, if they are so inclined.

Show me a study showing that children given easy access to pornography live happier and more prosperous lives, and I will show you a perverted Democrat researcher.

I don't want you or The Wrong Thing , in ANY caapacity being a decider of what to throw out or not throw out. "If in doubt, throw it out. "  LOL  I don't think so !!!  If there's is doubt in who's mind , Hoot? Yours , Jet, TWT  ?  That's a slippery slope to a very scary world of censorship. The Wrong Thing would have an issue with Green Eggs& Ham , just like that fat freak , Falwell, had a problem with what he perceived as a "gay" Teletubby. Just sit in your comfy office chair, watch your pickeball,  spread your insane conspiracy theories & hateful bigotries but your kind is not gonna censor anything. You can count on that. You are in the vast minority on that kind of censorship.

Shakespeare had guys like you pegged hundreds of years ago, Hoot.  And I've seen it play out in real life time and time again. Those who complain the loudest about things homosexuality(Ted Haggard), pornography(Swaggart),  drag queens(Hoot G. ???) are dealing with those very issues in their in their own confused lives. You're revealing too much about yourself, Hoot.  LOL

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."   ---William Shakespeare

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Like being anti-abortion? Not mutilating kids' genitals without their parents' consent? Not allowing drag/tranny shows in schools? Not allowing pornographic books in schools? You are one sick pup OSH.

Why am I sick? Just because I am supportive of my gay sister?  Just because I support the right of consenting adults to live whatever lifestyle they choose for themselves?  Just because I support a woman's autonomy when it comes to decisions about her body?   I have probably lived a more conservative lifestyle than 99% of the people on this board. I'm about as straight and narrow as one can be. Having said that, I don't feel it's for me to lambast anyone's "alternative" lifestyle choices. To each his/her own.

You left out the part about your support of public schools inviting drag queens to interact with young school children. Nobody has criticized you for supporting your family members or supporting the rights of consenting adults. You are sick and you are the king of red herrings.

[jetpilot]

Like being anti-abortion? Not mutilating kids' genitals without their parents' consent? Not allowing drag/tranny shows in schools? Not allowing pornographic books in schools? You are one sick pup OSH.

There begets the problem, Jet. Who determines what is pornographic and what isn't?  You , Hoot, and The Wrong Thing ?   Me, Bill Maher, and George Clooney ?

No, the problem is those of you who defend the grooming of young children for sexual exploitation at the hands of drag queens and other depraved individuals who believe that they have a right to develop relationships with children without their parents knowledge or approval. As far as pornography is concerned, in the case of elementary, middle, and high school libraries, the question does not need a definitive answer. The rule should be "when in doubt, throw it out" and the hurdle should be highest for books that are accessible to the youngest students. People have their entire adult lives to partake in pornography, if they are so inclined.

Show me a study showing that children given easy access to pornography live happier and more prosperous lives, and I will show you a perverted Democrat researcher.

I don't want you or The Wrong Thing , in ANY caapacity being a decider of what to throw out or not throw out. "If in doubt, throw it out. "  LOL  I don't think so !!!  If there's is doubt in who's mind , Hoot? Yours , Jet, TWT  ?  That's a slippery slope to a very scary world of censorship. The Wrong Thing would have an issue with Green Eggs& Ham , just like that fat freak , Falwell, had a problem with what he perceived as a "gay" Teletubby. Just sit in your comfy office chair, watch your pickeball,  spread your insane conspiracy theories & hateful bigotries but your kind is not gonna censor anything. You can count on that. You are in the vast minority on that kind of censorship.

Shakespeare had guys like you pegged hundreds of years ago, Hoot.  And I've seen it play out in real life time and time again. Those who complain the loudest about things homosexuality(Ted Haggard), pornography(Swaggart),  drag queens(Hoot G. ???) are dealing with those very issues in their in their own confused lives. You're revealing too much about yourself, Hoot.  LOL

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."   ---William Shakespeare

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Like being anti-abortion? Not mutilating kids' genitals without their parents' consent? Not allowing drag/tranny shows in schools? Not allowing pornographic books in schools? You are one sick pup OSH.

Why am I sick? Just because I am supportive of my gay sister?  Just because I support the right of consenting adults to live whatever lifestyle they choose for themselves?  Just because I support a woman's autonomy when it comes to decisions about her body?   I have probably lived a more conservative lifestyle than 99% of the people on this board. I'm about as straight and narrow as one can be. Having said that, I don't feel it's for me to lambast anyone's "alternative" lifestyle choices. To each his/her own.

This is why you can't argue with crazy liberals. What you typed has nothing to do with what I posted. smdh

[Old School Hound]

Just saw where one of the books banned from libraries in Florida under DeSucktis is a book is entitled "The Life of Rosa Parks." If Hoot, Jet, and TWT were in charge of what books to ban in libraries, your children would have a very different view of history, especially the part played by civil rights icons like Parks. Fortunately, progressives will not let them get away with "white"washing history.

[Hoot Gibson]

Just saw where one of the books banned from libraries in Florida under DeSucktis  is a book is entitled "The Life of Rosa Parks."  If Hoot, Jet, and TWT were in charge of what books to ban in libraries, your children would have a very different view of history, especially the part played by civil rights icons like Parks.  Fortunately, progressives will not let them get away with "white"washing history.

What a dishonest post. JP is 100% right about you, it is impossible to have an honest debate with you on any subject.  Obviously, you have no qualms about judging books by their titles.

The gay mafia is pushing pro-homosexual books into first and second grade classrooms and you see no problem with their orchestrated efforts. The vast majority of the parents of those children object to books pushing your pro-gay agenda at young elementary school children in public schools. That is even true in Fairfax County, Virginia, which is one of the most liberal counties in the United States.

[jetpilot]

Just saw where one of the books banned from libraries in Florida under DeSucktis  is a book is entitled "The Life of Rosa Parks."  If Hoot, Jet, and TWT were in charge of what books to ban in libraries, your children would have a very different view of history, especially the part played by civil rights icons like Parks.  Fortunately, progressives will not let them get away with "white"washing history.

Calling people names, whining and telling a 100% outright lie, then projecting your damn lie onto us. The crazy superfecta. DeSantis did nothing of the sort. Your eyes are spinning, you are foaming at the mouth, and bubbles are popping above your head.

[Old School Hound]

For those who are not aware, here are just a few of the hundreds of books that have been banned in various libraries across the country:

1. CHARLOTTE'S WEB ---   We've all read this delightful book about Wilbur the pig and his friend Charlotte the spider. AA Kansas parent group didn't think the popular book was so delightful. In their view,  talking animals are “unnatural and blasphemous as humans are the highest level of God’s creation.”  The book was banned.

2.  A LIGHT IN THE ATTIC ---  Shel Silverstein's  book of humorous rhymes and quirky illustrations have made kids and adults giggle for years. Some Wisconsin parents weren't laughing , though. Their feeling were hurt over this poem:

If you have to dry the dishes
(Such an awful, boring chore)

If you have to dry the dishes

('Stead of going to the store)

If you have to dry the dishes

And you drop one on the floor—

Maybe they won't let you
Dry the dishes anymore




So, they banned the book.


3. The Dictionary ---  That's right, the dictionary !!!  

Schools in Indiana and Alaska once banned The American Heritage Dictionary because of what it deemed was an inappropriate entry. The word was "bed." They objected to the verb slang entry.


Folks, bottomline. Keep these kind of people off of your school boards. Hell, if  you see them loitering around your school's libraries, notify the authorities immediately because they are probably looking to ban Green Eggs&Ham . lol   In a Hoot, Jet,  The Wrong Thing world, these are the kind of insane bannings of books that occur. In the opinion of many, they are not about protecting your kids from inappropriate offerings, but instead want to keep your kids misinformed and indoctrinated. They know full well what they're doing. They will fail .  

[Hoot Gibson]

Just saw where one of the books banned from libraries in Florida under DeSucktis  is a book is entitled "The Life of Rosa Parks."  If Hoot, Jet, and TWT were in charge of what books to ban in libraries, your children would have a very different view of history, especially the part played by civil rights icons like Parks.  Fortunately, progressives will not let them get away with "white"washing history.

Calling people names, whining and telling a 100% outright lie, then projecting your damn lie onto us. The crazy superfecta. DeSantis did nothing of the sort. Your eyes are spinning, you are foaming at the mouth, and bubbles are popping above your head.

Notice how OSH has declined repeatedly to condemn the attempts to introduce homosexuality and transexuals to first and second graders through books such as  1,000 Dresses and drag queens reading to young children in public schools. Instead, he repeatedly throws out red herrings and attacks his own strawmen.

It takes a sick, twisted soul to support grooming young children for sexual abuse by inundating them with gay and transgender propaganda before their 8th birthdays.

Governor DeSantis has done as much to protect innocent children from the ghoulish clutches of the lunatic left as any American and OSH finds that objectionable. Liberals like him are working to open public schools to mentally ill adults even wider than they already are.