Batting out of order question ????

canoeman06 · 07-01-2009, 01:06 AM

Batting out of order question ????????

This is the situation = Team A bats in the first inning. The fourth batter in the lineup comes up to bat in the third spot and proceeds to make the final out of the inning. The next inning, the same batter that made the final out of the first inning leads off the second inning. How can this happen ????? The coach tried to question this but was told it was the right ruling to let the same batter lead off that was the final out of the first inning ???? If anyone could explain it would be MUCH appreciated.

**Ring'Em Up** · 07-01-2009, 03:25 AM

Yeah, that's correct. It's not so much as to who the batter was, but the spot in the lineup. Essentially, the 3rd batter in the lineup was the one officially called out to end the 1st inning, even though he technically never made a plate appearance, therefore making it a not so typical 1-2-3 inning, therefore having the 4 spot up to start the 2nd inning.
If the first 2 batters got out, then no matter if the 3rd kid that went to the plate hit a HR or struckout, the 3rd spot in the lineup would be the one charged with the out, making it the 4 spot to start the 2nd inning.
In short, you have to account for all 9 spots in the lineup, each time thru the lineup. By rule, this is the same as no one at all batting in the 3 spot this time thru, forcing an out to be placed in that spot.
Did I just confuse you even more? Hahaha.

**Stardust** · 07-01-2009, 09:42 AM

Ring'Em Up Wrote:Yeah, that's correct. It's not so much as to who the batter was, but the spot in the lineup. Essentially, the 3rd batter in the lineup was the one officially called out to end the 1st inning, even though he technically never made a plate appearance, therefore making it a not so typical 1-2-3 inning, therefore having the 4 spot up to start the 2nd inning.
If the first 2 batters got out, then no matter if the 3rd kid that went to the plate hit a HR or struckout, the 3rd spot in the lineup would be the one charged with the out, making it the 4 spot to start the 2nd inning.
In short, you have to account for all 9 spots in the lineup, each time thru the lineup. By rule, this is the same as no one at all batting in the 3 spot this time thru, forcing an out to be placed in that spot.
Did I just confuse you even more? Hahaha.

Absolutely correct. Great explanation of the rule.

Navajo4life · 07-01-2009, 11:35 AM

Terrific explanation of the rule

**Playboy5** · 07-01-2009, 11:37 AM

As always Ring..Job well done...P.S...COME BACK!

canoeman06 · 07-01-2009, 01:45 PM

Ring'Em Up Wrote:Yeah, that's correct. It's not so much as to who the batter was, but the spot in the lineup. Essentially, the 3rd batter in the lineup was the one officially called out to end the 1st inning, even though he technically never made a plate appearance, therefore making it a not so typical 1-2-3 inning, therefore having the 4 spot up to start the 2nd inning.
If the first 2 batters got out, then no matter if the 3rd kid that went to the plate hit a HR or struckout, the 3rd spot in the lineup would be the one charged with the out, making it the 4 spot to start the 2nd inning.
In short, you have to account for all 9 spots in the lineup, each time thru the lineup. By rule, this is the same as no one at all batting in the 3 spot this time thru, forcing an out to be placed in that spot.
Did I just confuse you even more? Hahaha.

Thanks, but my question is should some kind of penalty have taken place ???
At least an out somewhere ???? No penalty was inforced "Zero None Zilch"

cart man · 07-01-2009, 03:20 PM

If the batter had gotten on base in the 1st and it was caught by you then he would have been out and still would had led off the 2nd inning. But, since he was out there is no additional penalty to enforce.

**Stardust** · 07-01-2009, 03:44 PM

canoeman06 Wrote:Thanks, but my question is should some kind of penalty have taken place ???
At least an out somewhere ???? No penalty was inforced "Zero None Zilch"

Nope, no penalty. There was no advantage gained in this situation by the offense.

canoeman06 · 07-01-2009, 04:13 PM

Thanks for the info. I am wrong once again !!!!

bballer2 · 08-08-2009, 09:23 AM

canoeman06 Wrote:Batting out of order question ????????

This is the situation = Team A bats in the first inning. The fourth batter in the lineup comes up to bat in the third spot and proceeds to make the final out of the inning. The next inning, the same batter that made the final out of the first inning leads off the second inning. How can this happen ????? The coach tried to question this but was told it was the right ruling to let the same batter lead off that was the final out of the first inning ???? If anyone could explain it would be MUCH appreciated.

"When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out, and a pitch is made to the next batter of either team BEFORE AND APPEAL IS MADE, the improper batter becomes the proper batter, and the results of such time at bat become legal".

"When an improper batter becomes a batter because no appeal is made before the next pitch, the next batter shall be the batter whose name follows that of such legalized improper batter. The instant an improper batter's actions are legalized, the batting order picks up with the batter following that odf the legalized improper batter".

So - it depends on how this happened. If it was caught immediately, the proper call was made. If it was not caught until they came to bat the next inning, the call was wrong.