[all-or-nothing]

I ran across something on the internet that said Obama is going to be giving a speech on September 8th which will be broadcast in schools throughout America. He has "suggested" that students be asked to reflect on the speech and do classroom activities around the live-broadcasted message on "the importance of persisting and succeeding in school."

http://ednews.org/articles/president-oba...ept-8.html

Have any of you heard about this before? I had not heard the first thing.

I will admit, I do not like this at all. I understand the premise behind the learning opportunity, but it reeks of propoganda. And, I can tell you, that if this is going to happen in Pike County schools, I know two children who will stay home that day.

Your thoughts?

[thecavemaster]

I ran across something on the internet that said Obama is going to be giving a speech on September 8th which will be broadcast in schools throughout America. He has "suggested" that students be asked to reflect on the speech and do classroom activities around the live-broadcasted message on "the importance of persisting and succeeding in school."

http://ednews.org/articles/president-oba...ept-8.html

Have any of you heard about this before? I had not heard the first thing.

I will admit, I do not like this at all. I understand the premise behind the learning opportunity, but it reeks of propoganda. And, I can tell you, that if this is going to happen in Pike County schools, I know two children who will stay home that day.

Your thoughts?

I think there is a difference between healthy skepticism (necessary to a democracy) and partisan paranoia. I would think persistence unto excellence in school would be a message we could all agree on. Of course, if he is going to speak on the importance of the swastika in healthcare, well, that's another thing...

[jetpilot]

I think there is a difference between healthy skepticism (necessary to a democracy) and partisan paranoia. I would think persistence unto excellence in school would be a message we could all agree on. Of course, if he is going to speak on the importance of the swastika in healthcare, well, that's another thing...

Hey, Obama, leave them kids alone!

Unless Obama wants to give a speech on the importance of not spending more money than you have, he is a waste of time in our schools.

[thecavemaster]

Hey, Obama, leave them kids alone!

Unless Obama wants to give a speech on the importance of not spending more money than you have, he is a waste of time in our schools.

Good example of where the level of political discourse is circa 2009, jetpilot. A positive, motivational message from the President about persistence unto excellence in school... "Hey, man, what's your politics? Say what? You stay away from my kids."

[TheRealVille]

Good example of where the level of political discourse is circa 2009, jetpilot. A positive, motivational message from the President about persistence unto excellence in school... "Hey, man, what's your politics? Say what? You stay away from my kids."

:biggrin:

[jetpilot]

Good example of where the level of political discourse is circa 2009, jetpilot. A positive, motivational message from the President about persistence unto excellence in school... "Hey, man, what's your politics? Say what? You stay away from my kids."

I don't want any politicians dumbing down the kids. God is not allowed in schools but the government tries to force Obama on kids and lesson plans on teachers? Give me a break and yes, please do stay away from the kids...all politicians.

[all-or-nothing]

I won't deny my skepticism regarding the Obama administration borders on paranoia. Honestly, most of his ideas scare the bejesus out of me! The overarching message here seems uplifting and positive. It's good for people of all ages to think logically about how education affects their futures and so forth. But, I'm just very unsure about the whole thing and really wanted to hear your thoughts.

I tried to remove the comment about keeping my children home from school, as I thought this was a little harsh, but too much time had lapsed and I wasn't allowed.

[jetpilot]

^^It's the lesson plans provided to the teachers in conjunction with the speech that is scary. Keeping your kids home isn't harsh. It will be very widespread and a lot of schools won't show the speech at all.

[Poseidon]

^^It's the lesson plans provided to the teachers in conjunction with the speech that is scary. Keeping your kids home isn't harsh. It will be very widespread and a lot of schools won't show the speech at all.

I agree with you on this. The speech is not bad and is not the first time a President has talked to students at school (Reagan and Bush-senior). It is the extra stuff he is putting in there that makes this speech about him, not the country or the kids. It also opens up a whole different bunch of questions as far as what our kids are exposed to in schools. Should we as parents be able to sign or not sign a consent for our children to learn evolution, or creation? As well as many other questions. I am going to talk to the teacher @ TCES tomorrow and find out what the school plans on doing about this speech at the largest elem. school in the state.

[NEXT]

Good example of where the level of political discourse is circa 2009, jetpilot. A positive, motivational message from the President about persistence unto excellence in school... "Hey, man, what's your politics? Say what? You stay away from my kids."

If he just mentions importance of school and hard work, its ok by me.


He mentions health care, stimulus packages, or anything political.........will any of you admit he would be wrong?


Doubt it.

[TheRealVille]

If he just mentions importance of school and hard work, its ok by me.


He mentions health care, stimulus packages, or anything political.........will any of you admit he would be wrong?


Doubt it.

I would.

[OrangenowBlue]

Parents beware! He is the boogeyman. LOL

[More Cowbell]

If he is only speaking on the importance of working hard in school and getting a good education, then I see nothing wrong with that. I doubt that it will spur many kids to start working hard just because the President told them to, but it couldn't hurt anything.

If however, he starts mentioning health care reform or other political issues, then I have a BIG problem with it.

[Coach_Owens87]

I know that right wingers are throwing a huge fit and saying that this will be some type of socialist infomercial, but I really dont think it will have that tone. If telling kids to stay in school, and work hard toward a great education is doing something wrong, well I just dont know what to say about that.

Ronald Reagen actually talked about his plan to lower taxes and open up free trade, but we havent even heard obamas speech yet and right wingers are thrashing it, when it was one of thier own that delievered a very politcal speech to kids.

[lil dog]

I don't want any politicians dumbing down the kids. God is not allowed in schools but the government tries to force Obama on kids and lesson plans on teachers? Give me a break and yes, please do stay away from the kids...all politicians.

I agree with you jetpilot, I think this guy is a total idiot, as for my daughter she will be at home that day....if her school chooses to participate in the speech that he is going to give....and YES ALL politicians should stay away from our kids !!!!!!!

[Poseidon]

I know that right wingers are throwing a huge fit and saying that this will be some type of socialist infomercial, but I really dont think it will have that tone. If telling kids to stay in school, and work hard toward a great education is doing something wrong, well I just dont know what to say about that.

Ronald Reagen actually talked about his plan to lower taxes and open up free trade, but we havent even heard obamas speech yet and right wingers are thrashing it, when it was one of thier own that delievered a very politcal speech to kids.

I have no problem with the speech part of the issue. I do have a problem with the other material he is throwing in. I think any curriculum being taught my to my children should go through me first and it should be a requirement that I sign off on it, rather than it being force fed down my child's throat by whoever has the majority at the time the curriculum was adopted.

[Poseidon]

I don't want any politicians dumbing down the kids. God is not allowed in schools but the government tries to force Obama on kids and lesson plans on teachers? Give me a break and yes, please do stay away from the kids...all politicians.

If GOD is being kept out of our schools, so should the federal government. Where is the ACLU now? Probably trying to get the Bible censored and GOD's name taken out of it.

[Beetle01]

I don't see an issue with this one bit.

If the President wants to personally address the youth of this nation about hard work, studying, eating healthy, participating in school activities, and getting exercise. Not that any of them are going to listen, because, well thats what school kids do, not listen lol.

However, if he gets into actual politics, then its going hurt him severely. His rating is already dropping drastically. Any type of political message that kids are forced to watch in school will be way way way over the line. I don't think he's dumb enough to do that though.

[thecavemaster]

If GOD is being kept out of our schools, so should the federal government. Where is the ACLU now? Probably trying to get the Bible censored and GOD's name taken out of it.

Actually, the state sanctioned promotion of the Christian religion (or any other one) is being kept out of the schools, in keeping with the Constitution. In addition, if I understand the Founder of the thing aright, as long as the "secret closet" of the mind and spirit walk through the door, "God" cannot be kept out of any place on earth.

[Beetle01]

Actually, the state sanctioned promotion of the Christian religion (or any other one) is being kept out of the schools, in keeping with the Constitution. In addition, if I understand the Founder of the thing aright, as long as the "secret closet" of the mind and spirit walk through the door, "God" cannot be kept out of any place on earth.

Separation of Church and state has nothing to do with school. Sorry. No proof to that. God is in every part of our government from its very foundation. You know as well as everyone else that is intended to prevent our govt from recognizing any religion as the official USA religion, as to prevent the same travesty's the Catholic Church committed in Europe. TO say anything different is to be blindly ignorant.

And cavemaster if all you have to respond to my post is some philosophical mumbo jumbo that makes no sense to anyone but the people in your head, than refrain from responding to me. Im tired of you dodging debates with rhetoric you copy paste off some website. If you can't use facts and straightforward argumentative reasoning, plz quit qoute me and posting a response.

[TheRealVille]

And cavemaster if all you have to respond to my post is some philosophical mumbo jumbo that makes no sense to anyone but the people in your head, than refrain from responding to me. Im tired of you dodging debates with rhetoric you copy paste off some website. If you can't use facts and straightforward argumentative reasoning, plz quit qoute me and posting a response.

He hasn't quoted you one time in this thread. :confused:

[Mr.Kimball]

Separation of Church and state has nothing to do with school. Sorry. No proof to that. God is in every part of our government from its very foundation. You know as well as everyone else that is intended to prevent our govt from recognizing any religion as the official USA religion, as to prevent the same travesty's the Catholic Church committed in Europe. TO say anything different is to be blindly ignorant.

And cavemaster if all you have to respond to my post is some philosophical mumbo jumbo that makes no sense

to anyone but the people in your head, than refrain from responding to me. Im tired of you dodging debates with rhetoric you copy paste off some website. If you can't use facts and straightforward argumentative reasoning, plz quit qoute me and posting a response.

It's called razzle dazzle. Aint he neat!!!!

[thecavemaster]

Separation of Church and state has nothing to do with school. Sorry. No proof to that. God is in every part of our government from its very foundation. You know as well as everyone else that is intended to prevent our govt from recognizing any religion as the official USA religion, as to prevent the same travesty's the Catholic Church committed in Europe. TO say anything different is to be blindly ignorant.

And cavemaster if all you have to respond to my post is some philosophical mumbo jumbo that makes no sense to anyone but the people in your head, than refrain from responding to me. Im tired of you dodging debates with rhetoric you copy paste off some website. If you can't use facts and straightforward argumentative reasoning, plz quit qoute me and posting a response.

Dearest Mr. Kimball... your certainty of the issue is what it is: your own personal certainty. Perhaps you might want to look up Roger Williams, how he was treated by the early Puritan settlers, and the foundation of Rhode Island. Perhaps you don't. As to the rest of your meaningless drivel, I'll let it be.

[Mr.Kimball]

Dearest Mr. Kimball... your certainty of the issue is what it is: your own personal certainty. Perhaps you might want to look up Roger Williams, how he was treated by the early Puritan settlers, and the foundation of Rhode Island. Perhaps you don't. As to the rest of your meaningless drivel, I'll let it be.

Wow folks, not only can he RAZZLE!!! Not only can he DAZZLE!!! But in his spare time, he can talk a little Socrates too.:worthy:


Qui vir odiosus. :yawn:

[Jshort5]

Gets me out of class. Why not?

[EOE]

I dont want my kids to hear anything that Mr. Obama has to say.

[all-or-nothing]

So, does anyone know what Pike County administrators and teachers have been told to do or not do regarding the speech?

[TheRealVille]

I dont want my kids to hear anything that Mr. Obama has to say.

You teach them tons of respect for the President. :eyeroll:

[Stardust]

It's no big deal, every President since Roosevelt has done the same thing. Kids are smart enough to know Obama is an idiot:biggrin:

[EOE]

You teach them tons of respect for the President. :eyeroll:

My kids know what respect is and they have respect for the President, but if he is going to tell them to do good in school they hear it enough from me. If he is going to use this speech for his agenda, then you should already know what I think of that.:eyeroll: