10-12-2009, 09:29 PM
Wildcatk23 Wrote:ok you did the soap jokeFirst of all, it wasn't a joke.
and then you say great post? im confused.
But i have no problem with a homosexual fighting for my family to be safe.
2nd, ever hear of sarcasm?
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10-12-2009, 09:31 PM
TheRealVille Wrote:I think the tribe was referring to you Kimball.
Boy, there just aint nothing that gets by you. Your perception is certainly sharp as a tack tonight!!!
10-12-2009, 09:47 PM
Old School Wrote:The article below tells how some of our enemies treat homosexuals in their homelands, I wonder what would happen to our troops if they were captured and suspected to be homosexual.
"More than 30 Islamic countries have laws on the books that prohibit homosexuality and make it a criminal offense. In most cases punishment ranges from floggings to life imprisonment. In Mauritania, Bangladesh, Yemen, parts of Nigeria and Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and Iran convicted homosexuals can also be sentenced to death."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/worl...13,00.html
What's the matter with you Old School? Those are not our enemies, those are Mr.Obama's friends. Didnt you know, "The times, they are achangin."
10-12-2009, 10:03 PM
Old School Wrote:The article below tells how some of our enemies treat homosexuals in their homelands, I wonder what would happen to our troops if they were captured and suspected to be homosexual.And they don't agree with women having any rights either but they are still fighting for this country.
"More than 30 Islamic countries have laws on the books that prohibit homosexuality and make it a criminal offense. In most cases punishment ranges from floggings to life imprisonment. In Mauritania, Bangladesh, Yemen, parts of Nigeria and Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, and Iran convicted homosexuals can also be sentenced to death."
http://www.spiegel.de/international/worl...13,00.html
10-12-2009, 10:12 PM
CatDawg Wrote:And they don't agree with women having any rights either but they are still fighting for this country.
Yep, they treat their own in that manner, yet Obama apologizes to his newest bestest buddies because of his own country. Really makes a lot of sense, now doesn't it?:eyeroll:
10-12-2009, 10:13 PM
Mr.Kimball Wrote:Boy, there just aint nothing that gets by you. Your perception is certainly sharp as a tack tonight!!!
Typical you, when you don't have anything to add that is sensible , ad hominem.
10-12-2009, 10:20 PM
TheRealVille Wrote:Typical you, when you don't have anything to add that is sensible , ad hominem.
Wow, I see your bringin out the big words tonight. That's quite an arsenal your firin away with there. Just stating the obvious on the prior, there 'Ville. A little amusing that you were not able to detect the sarcasm. Your slippin!!
10-12-2009, 10:25 PM
So some of you actually have issues with a homosexual fighting to keep your families safe?
or is just because obama passed it?
or is just because obama passed it?
10-13-2009, 01:25 AM
The FDA, CDC, CBC, WHO all consider homosexuality a health risk. So much so that even if you have had just 1 homosexual encounter since 1977 you are barred for life from donating blood. Also, the most at risk populace for HIV is the homosexual community, especially males.
Granted everyone is at risk for this disease if they participate in unprotected sex, but the facts don't lie, the risk and the increase in the spread of the disease is much much much much much greater in the homosexual community.
For someone who operates as a medic Congressman, I think this is something you would be concerned about. While there is always a risk for the disease, statistics proove that it is much greater risk for spread in a war zone. Now you take a few guys over who are HIV positive, they begin participating in unprotected sex, it begins to spread. It can begin to be spread within 3 days of contracting, yet it may not show up for months on blood tests. So then a medic like yourself gets it, then you are performing other medic duties on soldiers with open wounds, and it spreads even more.
You're opening our soldiers up to even more risks.
I plan on enlisting in the reserves as soon as Im finished with nursing school, however, if this occurs I will not do so.
Granted everyone is at risk for this disease if they participate in unprotected sex, but the facts don't lie, the risk and the increase in the spread of the disease is much much much much much greater in the homosexual community.
For someone who operates as a medic Congressman, I think this is something you would be concerned about. While there is always a risk for the disease, statistics proove that it is much greater risk for spread in a war zone. Now you take a few guys over who are HIV positive, they begin participating in unprotected sex, it begins to spread. It can begin to be spread within 3 days of contracting, yet it may not show up for months on blood tests. So then a medic like yourself gets it, then you are performing other medic duties on soldiers with open wounds, and it spreads even more.
You're opening our soldiers up to even more risks.
I plan on enlisting in the reserves as soon as Im finished with nursing school, however, if this occurs I will not do so.
10-13-2009, 03:02 AM
Beetle01 Wrote:The FDA, CDC, CBC, WHO all consider homosexuality a health risk. So much so that even if you have had just 1 homosexual encounter since 1977 you are barred for life from donating blood. Also, the most at risk populace for HIV is the homosexual community, especially males.
Granted everyone is at risk for this disease if they participate in unprotected sex, but the facts don't lie, the risk and the increase in the spread of the disease is much much much much much greater in the homosexual community.
For someone who operates as a medic Congressman, I think this is something you would be concerned about. While there is always a risk for the disease, statistics proove that it is much greater risk for spread in a war zone. Now you take a few guys over who are HIV positive, they begin participating in unprotected sex, it begins to spread. It can begin to be spread within 3 days of contracting, yet it may not show up for months on blood tests. So then a medic like yourself gets it, then you are performing other medic duties on soldiers with open wounds, and it spreads even more.
You're opening our soldiers up to even more risks.
I plan on enlisting in the reserves as soon as Im finished with nursing school, however, if this occurs I will not do so.
Your Serious! Ok So you shouldnt drive since people drink and drive? You shoudnt breath since you could catch second hand lung cancer? So you being a medic your dutie in life is to save people correct? We Should just have a homosexual army and a straight army. You could save the straight guys. I mean they deserve it more. Right? Theres risk everyday in life. You being someone in the medical field know this. Would u let a gay guy or gal die because they have aids?
10-13-2009, 11:33 AM
I think his/her decision is already made. Gays are in the military under the current policy. Blood is already donated by gays, barred or not. Its a questionaire, not a polygraph. As a nurse, you will come across gay individuals, knowingly and unknowingly. Driving down the road, you will pass them, and when life saving interventions need to take place, you will expected to perform them. Will you not treat the pornstar? The alcoholic? The tattooed guy? Volunteer your services in aids ravaged nations? If you ask me, its pathetic to be a nurse or medical professional and then pick and choose who deserves your help, or what sort of risk you feel like taking. But you didn't ask.. so don't mind taking it to heart. The military needs more homosexuals, instead of people who are scared to do their job.
And, just so you know, because obviously you don't. I'm much more scared of an EFP than HIV. Anyone who's ever been to this area will tell you the same.
And, just so you know, because obviously you don't. I'm much more scared of an EFP than HIV. Anyone who's ever been to this area will tell you the same.
10-13-2009, 12:19 PM
Beetle01 Wrote:The FDA, CDC, CBC, WHO all consider homosexuality a health risk. So much so that even if you have had just 1 homosexual encounter since 1977 you are barred for life from donating blood. Also, the most at risk populace for HIV is the homosexual community, especially males.Watch out they may have cooties as well. I hear that's going around
Granted everyone is at risk for this disease if they participate in unprotected sex, but the facts don't lie, the risk and the increase in the spread of the disease is much much much much much greater in the homosexual community.
For someone who operates as a medic Congressman, I think this is something you would be concerned about. While there is always a risk for the disease, statistics proove that it is much greater risk for spread in a war zone. Now you take a few guys over who are HIV positive, they begin participating in unprotected sex, it begins to spread. It can begin to be spread within 3 days of contracting, yet it may not show up for months on blood tests. So then a medic like yourself gets it, then you are performing other medic duties on soldiers with open wounds, and it spreads even more.
You're opening our soldiers up to even more risks.
I plan on enlisting in the reserves as soon as Im finished with nursing school, however, if this occurs I will not do so.
10-13-2009, 06:40 PM
congressman Wrote:I think his/her decision is already made. Gays are in the military under the current policy. Blood is already donated by gays, barred or not. Its a questionaire, not a polygraph. As a nurse, you will come across gay individuals, knowingly and unknowingly. Driving down the road, you will pass them, and when life saving interventions need to take place, you will expected to perform them. Will you not treat the pornstar? The alcoholic? The tattooed guy? Volunteer your services in aids ravaged nations? If you ask me, its pathetic to be a nurse or medical professional and then pick and choose who deserves your help, or what sort of risk you feel like taking. But you didn't ask.. so don't mind taking it to heart. The military needs more homosexuals, instead of people who are scared to do their job.I would have to disagree with you there. I am EOD and i did route clearance in the Anbar Province during its spike in violence. EFPs and IEDs are what i do. I've disposed of over 200 roadside bombs myself and have hit a few as well. I'm still suffering from the effects of a TBI and have gone to PT for the past year. I've also seen people dying of AIDS not HIV but AIDS and i would much rather go out by a blast.
And, just so you know, because obviously you don't. I'm much more scared of an EFP than HIV. Anyone who's ever been to this area will tell you the same.
10-13-2009, 06:44 PM
People seem to talk about the Middle East's veiws on homosexuals and i think you are a little off base. I lived in the middle east for 3 years. What i learned was they veiw homosexuals as being wrong but they do not see sexual relations with the same sex as being gay. One guy told me "boys are for pleasure and women are for pregnancy". They seem to have a different veiw of it. Its sickening to me but this is just the actions i observed.
10-13-2009, 08:55 PM
Bottom line, if they are tax paying American citizens, and want to serve, they should be allowed. Just like any other citizen. Anybody that doesn't want them serving, step up and take their place.
10-13-2009, 09:46 PM
TheRealVille Wrote:Bottom line, if they are tax paying American citizens, and want to serve, they should be allowed. Just like any other citizen. Anybody that doesn't want them serving, step up and take their place.
I'm already serving. Besides i've said i don't have a problem with it except for the timing. But your aruement about paying taxes is weak. Felons often pay taxes but we don't acept them. Stick to the arguement of patriotism. Thats what it comes down to.
10-13-2009, 10:00 PM
Matman Wrote:I'm already serving. Besides i've said i don't have a problem with it except for the timing. But your aruement about paying taxes is weak. Felons often pay taxes but we don't acept them. Stick to the arguement of patriotism. Thats what it comes down to.
Are homosexuals any less patriotic? Ex-Felons can't serve?
10-13-2009, 10:39 PM
TheRealVille Wrote:Bottom line, if they are tax paying American citizens, and want to serve, they should be allowed. Just like any other citizen. Anybody that doesn't want them serving, step up and take their place.Good Grief. Cant you can think of anything else to apply to this thread?
Man, you have beaten that poor old dead horse to hamburger. First off, what does someone paying taxes have to with anything? And this is the 3rd time I have asked you to tell how you know who pays taxes and who doesn't. Yet you refuse to answer that question.:zzz:
10-13-2009, 10:57 PM
Matman Wrote:I would have to disagree with you there. I am EOD and i did route clearance in the Anbar Province during its spike in violence. EFPs and IEDs are what i do. I've disposed of over 200 roadside bombs myself and have hit a few as well. I'm still suffering from the effects of a TBI and have gone to PT for the past year. I've also seen people dying of AIDS not HIV but AIDS and i would much rather go out by a blast.
Screw that. You guys are crazy...
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10-13-2009, 11:07 PM
Matman Wrote:I would have to disagree with you there. I am EOD and i did route clearance in the Anbar Province during its spike in violence. EFPs and IEDs are what i do. I've disposed of over 200 roadside bombs myself and have hit a few as well. I'm still suffering from the effects of a TBI and have gone to PT for the past year. I've also seen people dying of AIDS not HIV but AIDS and i would much rather go out by a blast.Well I would take AIDS since I would at least have a few more days with my family as opposed to it being over immediately.
10-14-2009, 05:14 AM
Felons can serve in the army, and often do. I know of several. Waivers are handed out like water.
And to mr. eod, if you'd rather die in an EFP or VBID, then by all means... have at it. I'll have 'relationships' with Magic Johnson and take my chances.
And to mr. eod, if you'd rather die in an EFP or VBID, then by all means... have at it. I'll have 'relationships' with Magic Johnson and take my chances.
10-14-2009, 05:24 AM
Mr.Kimball Wrote:Good Grief. Cant you can think of anything else to apply to this thread?It's a figure of speech Kimball, and you know it. Americans usually pay taxes. Let me rephrase, any healthy American that wants to serve their country should be allowed. Sexual orientation shouldn't be an issue. Happy? You are so good at throwing the topic off, without adding anything constructive. Were you one of the hicks that called in every week to "Talk of the town", an wondered in Apple Day was having a gay float?
Man, you have beaten that poor old dead horse to hamburger. First off, what does someone paying taxes have to with anything? And this is the 3rd time I have asked you to tell how you know who pays taxes and who doesn't. Yet you refuse to answer that question.:zzz:
10-14-2009, 07:54 AM
congressman Wrote:Felons can serve in the army, and often do. I know of several. Waivers are handed out like water.
And to mr. eod, if you'd rather die in an EFP or VBID, then by all means... have at it. I'll have 'relationships' with Magic Johnson and take my chances.
You said the key word waiver. Those waivers are being restricted more and more. As we hit our recruitment goals. there are less needs for waivers. And no felons can not serve. And don't call me MR kid. I'm guessing your a lower enlisted pvt or spc type.
10-14-2009, 08:15 AM
FELONS in the Military
The New York Times and Associated Press reported today that the number of felons allowed to serve in the military has surged since the invasion of Iraq nearly four years ago. The data, which were obtained by the Michael D. Palm Center at UC-Santa Barbara, show that both the military is letting in more recruits with serious criminal backgrounds, records of drug abuse, inferior educational attainment and other qualities which require a so-called "moral waiver" to allow young Americans to don a military uniform and deploy to the frontlines. It is a measure of how desperate our armed forces are to fill their ranks with bodies to fight in an increasingly unpopular war. (The data are posted at palmcenter.org)
The New York Times and Associated Press reported today that the number of felons allowed to serve in the military has surged since the invasion of Iraq nearly four years ago. The data, which were obtained by the Michael D. Palm Center at UC-Santa Barbara, show that both the military is letting in more recruits with serious criminal backgrounds, records of drug abuse, inferior educational attainment and other qualities which require a so-called "moral waiver" to allow young Americans to don a military uniform and deploy to the frontlines. It is a measure of how desperate our armed forces are to fill their ranks with bodies to fight in an increasingly unpopular war. (The data are posted at palmcenter.org)
10-14-2009, 08:17 AM
Nobody is entitled to serve in the military. The purpose of the military is to protect our national security by killing enemies and blowing up things when necessary. The military has done a good job performing that function over the years without openly gay citizens serving. Many gay people have distinguished themselves in battle without trumpeting their sexual preference to their comrades in arms.
The military is not an appropriate platform for gay activists to make political statements. The current policy toward gays in the military is working just fine and it should not be changed to win a few votes in 2012.
The military is not an appropriate platform for gay activists to make political statements. The current policy toward gays in the military is working just fine and it should not be changed to win a few votes in 2012.
10-14-2009, 09:36 AM
TheRealVille Wrote:It's a figure of speech Kimball, and you know it. Americans usually pay taxes. Let me rephrase, any healthy American that wants to serve their country should be allowed. Sexual orientation shouldn't be an issue. Happy? You are so good at throwing the topic off, without adding anything constructive. Were you one of the hicks that called in every week to "Talk of the town", an wondered in Apple Day was having a gay float?
Again which one's pay taxes and which dont. It's a figure of speech answer, ya know.
No it wasn't me, but I understand there was a Magoffin Co. transplant (that moved to the big city...er 'ville) that called in and wanted to know who to call to see if he could drive the thing.
lol.... "Hicks"....... and your from what highly sophisticated metropolitan area again?
10-14-2009, 09:42 AM
congressman Wrote:Felons can serve in the army, and often do. I know of several. Waivers are handed out like water.Wondered why all the defensiveness.
And to mr. eod, if you'd rather die in an EFP or VBID, then by all means... have at it. I'll have 'relationships' with Magic Johnson and take my chances.
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